Ruins of Old Paineel (The Hole)

Quick Facts

Type:
Indoor

Expansion:
Odus

Instanced:
No

Keyed:
No

Level Range:
40 - 65

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The Hole is also known as Old Paineel, the first stronghold of the Heretics, and has long been taken over Elementals and their ilk.

For the longest time, the Hole was rumored to house the entrance to the Underfoot... This is, of course, no longer a rumor.
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Hole Key
# Apr 21 2003 at 12:13 AM Rating: Excellent
Bought in Paineel...the supplies shop near the bank...looks like a bag.
Jlarl Protecteur
Holy Fortress
<Sigils>
How u get the HOLE KEY?
# Apr 20 2003 at 10:02 AM Rating: Default
How do u get the HOLE KEY?

After spending 10 minutes trying to get through the hole i decided it would be a good idea to get it... help me pweese :-)
Dartain The Lost
# Apr 11 2003 at 12:15 AM Rating: Default
i'd like to know more information on Daartain the lost he is on the LoY map i have and all the rangers/druids on my raid said he was on track but no one knew anything about him and theres no info about him here, in the maps of the myrist book it says he was the only one in and out of the plane of underfoot, please post anything here
RE: Dartain The Lost
# Jul 21 2003 at 3:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dartain the Lost

He is behind a secret/locked door in the basement of the undead tower. His door looks like a rock. It is similar looking to the rock in Permafrost leading to the alchemist.

Need 201 lockpick skill to open it I believe.

He drops the Withered Leather Tunic and the Tome of Mirugal.
Min lvl
# Apr 03 2003 at 10:45 PM Rating: Decent
what would be the min lvl for hunting this zone for a group, just curious cause i am lvl 41 bard and it said hunting range was from 40 - 60?
Falling in from Paineel
# Mar 24 2003 at 4:36 AM Rating: Decent
16 posts
I was up in Paineel above the hole, and thought I'd send an eye of Zomm in to see what happened. Guess what? When the eye fell into the zone, I zoned as well! I took about 400 damage from the fall, luckily surviving. I found myself in the middle of several red-conning mobs that were KoS to me, but to my surprise, they didn't attack. I didn't give it any deeper thought before casting gate.. I guess Mithaniel Marr saved my butt there.

Enharjaren, high elf mage of the 39th season
Kane Bayle
PoU
# Mar 21 2003 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
19 posts
Well, I had always assumed they would put Plane of Underfoot in as an optional patch after PoP went live, then Legacy of Ykesha came and I thought it was coming then, along with Unkempt Woods. Neither is in the game as of yet, don't even think it's being planned. However, for what it's worth, The Hatch (the door behind Yael) gave me that "you need a key to enter" message, so it's my guess the various crap that drops in the zone (fiery jewel of the underfoot, living heart of a Brell minion, etc) was originally going to be for the key, or may yet one day still be for the key IF they even implement the plane.
RE: PoU
# Aug 23 2003 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
this morning i found that my level 1 rogue that i run around with could get behind the door if i jump on one of the little side bars and duck and unduck a bunch like to get into the zone without the key.

hallway turned and came to a dead end. not even a minor warpback like veksar had before it was there. just nothing.
plane of underfoot ?
# Feb 23 2003 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
Anyone knows something about the plane of underfoot? i explored the hole with a lvl 1 halfling rog and found a door u need a key for , behind the spawnpoint of master yael. I checked out EQatlas then and there i read something about a zone in to plane of underfoot. But didnt get any other infos about this zone. does it exist, or was it just planed to be made in future?
Stonegrinder Mini
# Jan 18 2003 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
Just got loam pants off this mob in the courtyard.
2nd post regarding Urwenea
# Jan 06 2003 at 3:20 AM Rating: Decent
Almost forgot something concerning Urwenea, to talk to Shayna Thunder? in Jaggedpine you MUST be ALLY faction with her....until you are....she will say nothing. =)
Urwenea the Cold
# Jan 06 2003 at 3:17 AM Rating: Decent
If anyone is interested in Urwenea the Cold and the "Gleaming Scepter" talk to Shayna Thunderhand? in Jaggedpine Forest across from the banker. Quest she gives involves this mob (Urwenea) AND mob in Highpass Keep named Valyn? Blackguard. Need to have Sceptre and Item dropped from mob Blackguard in Highpass and turn them both into Shayna for whatever it is she may give you back and it IS SOMETHING anyways. =)
MOB INFO NEEDED
# Jan 03 2003 at 5:56 PM Rating: Default
ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A MOB NAMED TZITZI(sp?) THE CRAZED? WHERE HE SPAWNS, hp'S LEVEL THAT KIND OF THING?
RE: MOB INFO NEEDED
# Apr 09 2003 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
After you've worked your way through the city, just before you enter the tunnel that goes down to the undead tower, there is a building on the left that leads to an open courtyard with another building. Tzitzi is in that inner building, traveling a circular route around the hallways.
behind the locked door
# Dec 29 2002 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
I started a lvl 1 halfling rogue of brell, and found my way to the bottom. At the bottom was the locked door, and I tried many things to get through it, and finally succeeded by jump-ducking through the holes in it. I was dissappointed to find that after turning left and then right the tunnel led to a blank wall, no sign of any "Plane of the Underfoot".

Jerok Terojokke
51 Druid of Tunare
RE: behind the locked door
# Jan 28 2003 at 5:10 AM Rating: Decent
This is an asumption on my part, since I have not been in the "Plane of the Underfoot" myself. Taking into consideration the fact that all other planes require your character to be level 46+, maybe this is the reason you discovered nothing but a blank wall with a level 1 rogue.

Just my 2 cp. ;)
new mob?
# Dec 14 2002 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
who is Urwenae the Cold? not listed in bestiary and has some drops:
Runed Heretic Longsword magic lore prim sec equip
30 del 2 attak but all/all 1hs...so the monk got it ;P

also dropped a Gleaming Crystal Scepter
magic.lore no drop
+10 mana ...svs magic +10 prim sec equip

wiz mag enc /all races but Karana deity only

any idea what ..if any..quest these items might be for?


Edited, Sat Dec 14 14:53:34 2002
The Easy Way into Hole
# Dec 06 2002 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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This is going to sound complicated, but follow the steps, and you'll be deep in the hole quickly, safely and painlessly. This trick works to get to most epic mobs including Jaeil, Keeper, Kirn, and the Ghost of Kindle (chanter epic, I think that's her name).

What you'll need:

- a level 55+ magician
- a good enchanter or two
- a clean pair of shorts
- a few of the following classes: Paladins, Shadow Knights, Clerics, Necros. Mix and match is fine. Make sure you have at least four characters that fall into any of these classes.

Make a level one halfing brell-worshipping rogue. Bind him or her in Paineel. I would say make a level 65 rogue, but you can only make level one characters...

Bring your level one halfling brell worshipping rogue to the pit where Yael spawns and pray he's not up. If he is, forget it. You will need to fight in the long way. If he's not up, park there and log back onto your main character.

1. Have all necros and shadow knights mem Harm Shield. Have all paladins and clerics mem Divine Aura. Do this now because it takes a few minutes before the spell comes up to cast.
2. Create your groups. Classic grouping. Put a healer in each group. Make sure enchanter is grouped with a cleric, etc. etc.
3. Have all paladins, shadow knights, necromancers, and clerics disband and form a "sub-group." Make sure they take note of their group and group leader before they disband, because they will be rejoining them later.
4. Have everyone that's not in a pally/sk/necro/cleric subgroup zone into the hole through the rock in the pond.
5. Have the pally/sk/necro/cleric sub-group(s) cast Divine Aura or Harm Shield and drop down the big hole in Paineel IMMEDIATELY after they cast.
6. Your subgroups will have to kill two or 3 mobs as soon as they land. This shouldn't pose much of a problem.
7. Log onto your Halfling Brell-worshipping Level One Rogue. Invite a necro or SK.
8. Kill yourself and zone back in through the rock in paineel.
9. Invite the magician.
10. Kill the magician.
11. Have the necro in your group summon the magician.
12. Have a cleric or pally rez the magician.
13. Begin CotHing, inviting people for CotH with your Level One Halfling Brell-worshipping Rogue.
14. Disband your sub-group(s) and have them rejoin their original groups.

**As an alternative, if you have a suicidal mage, you can just have him drop down from paineel and rez him, without worrying about the summon corpse bit, but it's polite to offer to do the summon corpse so he doesn't lose any xp for your epic.**

And you're good to go. You only need to go up the tunnel a little way with a few spawns along the way. This way is SOOO much easier than fighting your way through the city, and it saves a lot of time.
RE: The Easy Way into Hole
# Jan 03 2003 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
Can anyone confirm this way into the hole please? I am about to do this part of my ranger epic and am going to team up with my shammy guildy and probably enchanter too for epics but a raiding party will go with us. I have a few questions for this method:

1. you jump from paineel, do you zone while falling?
2. how do you tell if Master Yeal is up im not sure if you can track to the bottom of the hole.
3. im not sure why you have the lvl 1 rogue, can you sneak down to the bottom of the hole to scout?
4. If you scout with rogue and see yeals not up why not just cast Divine A. with a few clerics and Pallys and clear room then jump with mage and get rez(96pct i can never tell the difference in exp loss)or zone in and duel someone and die/summon corpse(if you just cant lost that 4pct from rez you shouldnt be raiding =P) the Coh peeps down keeping the leader up top to zone into hole via rock entrance then have the rest of the raid zone into the hole and CoH. Disbanding once they get down to reform raid.
5. Does Lev/dmf/soe work in Paineel or the Hole...... why not just lev entire raid float down? much easier wouldnt you think.... if lev works. (i could see VI being bastards and doing a.... This spell does not work here
Please any feedback would be nice if it is productive...

Galantrya
Debonair 55th Outrider
Xev

RE: The Easy Way into Hole
# Jan 09 2003 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
Lev does not work, hence the creative ways around getting in. ;) A Brell rogue will not be attacked, so they can make the trip back and forth w/o being killed. Run the rogue in to see if Yael is up, if not you can begin dropping. Given that the mage is going to die anyway... you can have them grouped with one that drops as well as someone at the zone ent, so they can be rezzed and as soon as they have mana, start CoHing people in from there (eliminates the cost of summoning, and some of the legwork).

Looks like we'll be trying this this weekend, I'll post w/a followup if we do.

Kalayna
52nd season Druidess of Tunare
Druzzil Ro
RE: The Easy Way into Hole
# Mar 12 2003 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
it works
Dartain the Lost
# Nov 14 2002 at 8:22 AM Rating: Decent
19 posts
In the new Eq Atlas, it talks about this guy, supposedly a necro who was instrumental in the opening and closing of Plane of Underfoot. He was the only person to ever go there, let alone make it back to Norrath. So on a recent raid, I asked a ranger to track and he said he saw this guy on tracking. We didn't find out where he was, but did anyone else? I heard PoU is going to be put in as an optional patch, and wanted to know if this is somehow related.
RE: Dartain the Lost
# Nov 30 2002 at 11:27 PM Rating: Decent
I saw this guy with my lvl 2 rogue. He was under the tower in the tomb area behind a rock that i could not open, maybe a rogue with unknown picklock skill could /shrug. I could see thru the rock if i stand/sit continuosly.

puffho
Tzitzi the Crazed
# Oct 20 2002 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
Does anyone have any info on Tzitzi the Crazed. All I know is he is in the Hole and drops 'The Earthen Crown of the Underfoot' for the 'Helm of the Tempest Guard' WAR/PAL Karana follower quest from JaggedPine.
RE: Tzitzi the Crazed
# Nov 19 2002 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
Tzitzi the Crazed is an imp in a house in the city, just south of the tunnel entrance that heads toward Jaeil the Wretched. He roams the house in a constant circular loop. Approximate loc is neg 100, pos 300. We took him out with one full group of 55-60's.
Niltoth the Unholy
# Oct 07 2002 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
Anyone here of this mob ... found him in the undead tower heading to Kirn. Was wondering if he dropd anything and what lvl he was.
Ikurenm the Sly
# Sep 07 2002 at 4:50 PM Rating: Decent
Group of us decided to wander up into the tower the other night and found this guy tucked away in one of the rooms. Looks like a small imp and hits for around 150 or so. Was DB to me at 53. Towards the end of the fight, he just despawned. Anybody know anything about this mob? Is he new? Is he for a particular quest? I don't see him listed above but would like to know more about him.

-Phaldyne (53rd Season Illusionist of Solusek Ro)

UPDATE: After doing some of my own research in the quests, I found that this mob is needed to get the Silver Blade of Thunder from Jaggedpine Forest. Sounds like this is a new mob since the addition of JPF.

Edited, Tue Sep 10 10:25:13 2002
RE: Ikurenm the Sly
# Oct 08 2002 at 8:35 PM Rating: Default
Yes he's for the Silver Blade of Thunder quest. He has a nasty habit of despawning before he's killed though. I've read that if you snare, charm, root, knockback, stun or push him into a wall he'll despawn. =\

Our 60 monk went to pull him, hit him once and *poof* he was gone. Went back again two nights later, our 60 paladin went into his room, Ikerenm hit him and then again, despawned. Does anyone have any more substantial information on him? Whether or not those above spells DO cause him to despawn (talked with a guy who said he DID land snare on him and he didn't despawn *shrug*) Trying to do this quest but this guy has me stumped.

Edited, Thu Oct 10 22:46:17 2002
RE: Ikurenm the Sly
# Oct 26 2002 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Several weeks ago we fought to this mob. I found him in a small room, hit him to gain aggro, and ran out to my group. He despawned. Naturally, we were sad.
The group leader did some research and the next day said that just leaving can cause him to despawn. This is maddenening! LOL
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RE: Ikurenm the Sly
# Jan 22 2003 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
I believe that if the person at the top of the hate list is not in melee range, Ikurenm will despawn. Therefore, invis and send in the tank first, and once he has agro everyone else enters his room and you kill him where he spawns.
Urwenae the Cold
# Aug 14 2002 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
New mob? Found her with my halfling rogue in the top of the undead tower, beyond High Scale Kirn's room.

Undead female ghost with skeleton pet, anyone know if she's for anything in particular ?
RE: Urwenae the Cold
# Aug 18 2002 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
Killed her last night. Spawns behind High Scale Kirn.

Dropped a wand that was druid only. Restricted to Tunare worshippers. Terrible stats, so it seems it may be for a quest.

I can post name of the wand if need be.

Snowielder
56 Barbarian Shaman
Quellious
RE: Urwenae the Cold
# Aug 19 2002 at 10:21 PM Rating: Default
Update on the item she dropped.

Gleaming Crystal Scepter
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Primary Secondary (I think)
Mana +10, Save Magic +5
WIZ ENC MAG
Deity: Karana

Snowielder
56 Barbarian Shaman
Quellious
RE: Urwenae the Cold
# Aug 23 2002 at 3:49 AM Rating: Default
funny... the rod isnt even wearable by a priest cast.. let alone a druid.... and its not wearable by tunare worshipers....
RE: Urwenae the Cold
# Jun 14 2003 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
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it is a turnin item for a Karana only sword, I believe....
spawn timer
# Jul 10 2002 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
Just one question What is the average spawn timer on the elementals here?

Pally of 51 seasons
Not a full group
# Jun 30 2002 at 12:38 PM Rating: Default
could a lvl 45 monk , 42 warrior and a 49 cleric take the enterence elementals??
Just curious, i went there last night with guild 2 groups of mid 50s, we did fine went in pretty far and killed lots of elementals and rock golems. i had a great time very exciting place and the exp bonus is a big time plus for zone.

Kuicker Lifetakker
monk of the 45th season
House Bloodthorne

"If all else fails,just FD"
surving the fall ?
# Jun 23 2002 at 10:16 PM Rating: Default
you my think iam stupid but i need to know how to get my 54 war down in the whole how can i do it ?
RE: surving the fall ?
# Jun 24 2002 at 8:13 AM Rating: Default
Buy a key in Paineel for a little over 100p. Run over to where the warrens zone is but keep going down the ramp thing. There will be a pool of water here. Jump in a use the key on one of the rocks.
RE: surving the fall ?
# Jul 12 2002 at 5:17 PM Rating: Decent
If you have a druid with you then there is no need for a key. When you get to the pool, have the druid cast share wolf form on everyone. Then jump into pool and go down to the bottom. There you will see a small opening, in wolf form just duck and you can fit through.
elementals
# Jun 09 2002 at 1:27 PM Rating: Default
are they just all over the place or are they in specific area... and do they realy all drop imbued granite spaulders (rarely I assume)
Shield
# Jun 04 2002 at 2:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok..I have looked through all the beasts and did not see one that list the Imbued Shield of Paineel. Anyone know what beast might drop it?
Ogre ??
# Jun 03 2002 at 12:05 AM Rating: Decent
Hey Hey, can anyone tell me if Ogre can Duck to goin that gap ?? And one more thing, if shmmy's bear from able to go in also ??? Thanks
RE: Ogre ??
# Nov 09 2002 at 3:38 AM Rating: Decent
The new patches made it so that you can cast shrink where ever you want... just shrink yourself =)
RE: Ogre ??
# Jun 29 2002 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
No, an ogre cannot duck into the hole and the shammy bear form cannot fit in either...
RE: Ogre ??
# Sep 18 2002 at 8:02 AM Rating: Excellent
I did it, as a barbarian shaman using bear form
Dohrian, shaman 51
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