you people crack me up, instead of arguing over whether it's worth it for a cleric or druid, how about looking at the INT caster ROBE. if you want to do this quest, I recommend doing it as an INT caster. As far as AC in the "end state," I'll say this, MHs shouldn't need AC. If your puller makes a bad pull and can't FD, let him die. If your puller pulled something your tank cant tank, camp. Mean, huh? You let people die when invis fades in bad spots instead of dying with em right? Makes CRs faster and less painful, people will thank you, not hate, and if they don't I recommend finding people that will.
Most people that do this quest don't care in the least about the tunic, they do it for the phylactery. And then, the tradeskills required for that aren't incredibly difficult.
NO TRADESKILLS needed to get this tunic. All you need are 6 books, and a Velious leather or plate BP (Thurg, kael, SS).
I've gotten two of the books, just playing around in the Hole. Admittedly, the firebone, and velks books can be a challenge to get, but this tunic is very nice for people who cannot raid the burrower, or happen to lose the roll.
My Oh My ... Um yeah if you think the extra 40 AC from the LDON BP is gonna save you from mobs quad for 1k then your delusional...point being you shouldnt be getting hit anyways...especially during a raid situation. There is nothing worse than a CLR that runs OOM during a raid in turn messing up the CH line and wiping raid...um FT4 or 40AC...well if I were the tank I would want a CLR with an extra 4FT....k thanks....you go girl (unkempt)
only thing i have to say is their are other FT items out there to get you to the mana item regen cap and with the FT augs you shouldnt have to worry about getting low AC for the trade off for faster mana regen......Dead clerics heal noone and regen nothing
Um, sounds like you aren't playing in your 40's cuz check this out . . .
I have done the thurgadin armor quest and have my Breastplate. I can find all of these books (5 so far) in the bazaar. Once I do my last turn in, a FT4 item is mine! THere isn't anything better that I can attain at my level. With an added +20 wis (as opposed to the +13 on the thurgadin armor) and +125 mana (as opposed to 80 on the thurgadin armor), just having this thing to put on when I am medding is reason enough to have it. If I am pulling that is a different story but I seem to be the only cleric with enough sand to pull for a party so any cleric should be happy to have this.
Well, unless you have gotten real lucky on 5 people who didn't know what books they had, you're looking at spending 250-400 THOUSAND pp on the 6 books from the bazaar.
Personally, I did the royal attendant BP+ft2 aug, and am very pleased with it. I'd like this tunic for my druid, but for my cleric, give me some nice high ac plate.
How you afford these books for a level 40 something is beyond me.
You turn in the books. You get a seal. You turn in your Velious chestpiece & the seal to an NPC in OOT. That NPC gives you the robe, if you're an INT caster, or the tunic, if you're a WIS caster.
All of the books can be purchased in the Bazaar, & I'm not seeing anything else in the book-turn-in path that requires PoP. What am I missing?
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Posted:Apr 08 2004 at 12:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) blah blah blah ac doesnt matter... no, at the very high end of the game, ac is kinda irrelivant.. if a mob wants u dead, your dead...
it would seem to me that if you are getting hit that often, you should look to the chanter to cast a rune on you. 30 AC can be made up in other areas, where mana regen is not so easily attainable. As a healing Druid, this tunic would be a great asset. +20 wis, FT4 is nothing to shrug off. AC is a great stat to have, but, being able to cast those heals is a higher priority. And if you're fighting mobs that quad for 1k each, i seriously doubt you're the only healer presant, and you're support healer, should have that fast heal incoming, the second you get hit.
Played a cleric for 3 years now and i wouldnt have a problem wearing this. AC doesnt really matter much to a cleric FT4 overrides it besides it will last untill you get your elemental or time armor.
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Posted:Jan 08 2004 at 12:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I hate to burst your bubble, but AC does indeed matter to a cleric. I'm not in any way trying to insult you or say that you don't know your class, having played it for 3 years, but I also play a cleric and can vouch, from personal experience, that AC is quite important. Say your enchanter gets aggro from tashing a mob and you have to heal him / her before they hit the ground like a ton of bricks. Well, we all know how heal aggro goes and how hard it can be for a tank to break. While you're standing there with a mob pummeling you over the head for depriving it of a tasty enchanter meal, would you rather have low AC, take lots of damage and die before the tank can taunt the mob off of you or have high AC and stand more of a chance of surviving your flogging? I personally would rather have more AC so I won't get thrashed as badly. Yes, FTIV would be nice to have as well, but I'm not so sure I'd be willing to sacrifice much AC for it. As it stands, I'm already regening 11 mana per tic between my BAotR, MC2 and EotS, 26 with KEI PLUS whatever my base natural mana regen is. An extra 4 mana on top of that would be nice but I'd choose a good sturdy tin can over that extra mana any day to keep my blue butt alive.
Sheesh, come on! How often do you get beat on by mobs as opposed to how much time you spend medding to get mana to heal? I have spent plenty of time healing people and I know for a fact that I might get beat on by the mobs once or twice over several hours of fighting. But I spend a lot of time healing and medding during those several hours. That AC is going to help once in a while but the FT is going to help every single time you cast a spell. Seems a little more important to me to go after the 99% (mana regen) benefit over the 1% benefit (less damage from getting beat on).
AC is completely irrelevant to high end clerics. All the Clerics have to worry about is amount of mana regen they are getting and how big are their mana pools.
Ok so at the far end of play where the mobs Quad for 4k damage you care about ac? Lets say you take less then half that damage each time, you will last what seven more seconds? As to the mana regen it is Very simple math: (Mana + Low_ac_cleric = Live_Tank) > (No_mana + High_AC_cleric = Dead_Tank)
this is not a "far end of play" tunic, this seems to me to be a tunic for those not in the uebr guilds that cant do VT, EP's, ssra, etc. a nice tunic for the slightly less hardcore players
so at the far end of play where the mobs Quad for 4k damage you care about ac? Lets say you take less then half that damage each time, you will last what seven more seconds?
Yes I have said it before and I will say it again. AC does matter. Those 7 seconds (or even 3 seconds) will often be the difference between a dead cleric and a living cleric.
But the real point is that "at the far end of play" as you put it, a cleric can relatively easily get to FT 15 without compromising with gear where all other stats than the FT suck.
Oh and as for 25 AC augments I would love to see a cleric having access to those and still wearing this tunic. If they even exist they must drop from elemental level LDoN raids. Best you can buy for LDoN points is 8 ac if I remember correctly.
Just out of curiosity (since I'm interested about maxing my FT myself), you state that it is relatively easy to get to FT 15. Since it's already been established that anyone that wears this tunic would very doubtfully be in VT/EP/Time and so on, where would I look to get my other 14 flowing thought (discounting solstice)? (Assuming I don't have between 70k to shell out on each ornate bracer). I would appreciate any advice you can give me, thanks.
Well, to anwser that I say this... Hate has a Nice quest that ends up with a FT3 Range item, Bracers ahve come donw on my server 25K each... so far thats 4(2 each fromthe bracers) adn 3from the Ranger item thats 8. if your a cleric or shaman adn have not done or are not workin on the Coldain shawl, pack you bags adn become a mage so shawl adds 3 more thats 11 :) now we need 4 more well LDoN has some nice FT 1 adn 2 augs not to pricy get the slot 3 ones, adn a couple of LDoN pieces and your done Max ft15 with gear any cleric or shaman for that mater can and should get
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Posted:Apr 09 2004 at 9:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sure, if you are in a large raiding guild you can get to FT 15 but what these Paludal-pleveled morons fail to understand is that these don't come cheaply. Lots of good FT items come from VT. Can acquire others but they have TERRIBLE stats and the extar FT isn't worth it for a cleric. High end stuff in PoP andstuff in VT has uber stats and provide FT.
It would be foolish to not wear this because of the AC...
Generally speaking if one of the classes who are able to use this tunic are taking hits somewhere, then something is going bad already. In any case, the +18sta, +100hp, and +10 all saves give this tunic a very high score in the ability to keep the wearer alive regardless of the AC involved.
First of all AC does matter a lot, and the people that say "oh well the mobs quad for 1000 dmg" should get a clue. The higher the damage mobs do the more you need AC and not + hps.
I play both a druid and a cleric, and I almost always play healer on both toons. The main reason I am not quite as good on my druid as I am on my cleric is not the better heal spells of the cleric. The druid heal spells are good enough for most situations especially if you have good AA's and FT level. The main problem of the druid is that when I am forced to heal early on train pulls and get aggro my druid dies a lot faster than my cleric, therefore making it more likely that the tank or enchanter will not regain control in time. And this is with a druid with fairly good ac. At least I would never wear this tunic even if it was given to me for free.
If you wear this tunic as a cleric you are not just loosing a few ac. You are loosing 40 to 50 ac compared to the alternatives.
Secondly, the +100 hps and the sta is not really a great argument for wearing this tunic either. Most alternatives would also have a high +hps factor, an 40 to 50 extra ac is much more likely to save you than 40 to 50 more hps.
Thirdly, after LDoN was released its not all that hard to reach the FT 15 cap. It will take so LDoN grinding, sure, but you can get there without uber raid drops (and without this tunic).
So if you dont have access to raid level gear get a LDoN bp/tunic instead and augment if with the +2 FT bp only augment that is really cheap anyway. Even the 3rd or 4th best LDoN versions of the cleric bp that cost almost no points would own this tunic anyday.
can anyoen tell me and everyone else that is looking at this quest what the trivial skill lvls are for the combines, and what you need for the kills as far as man or women power??
For those who say the AC is too low for a shaman, perhaps augmentation is the answer. The above illustration does not list the augment slot available, but I would think there will be one. Toss on a 25AC augment and you have yourself one sweet tunic. Of course, if the slot can't be augmented with AC, your point stands. Personally, I prefer the FT IV to 25AC when you toss in all the resists, but that is just personal preference.
This item is brand new, post LDoN, so I'm guessing that there is no augment slot, kind of like a fungi tunic. This would be incredibly sweet for a druid, but for my cleric, I will save up my LDoN points, and get a royal attendant BP, augmented with the FT2 augment.
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Posted:Oct 22 2003 at 4:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Aye, and ONLY a druid would wear this. Good quest that yeilds something that a cleric or shaman would NOT wear. If I wore this I would be giving up over 25 AC for 4 mana/tic. NOT worth the tradeoff
I'm a cleric and I would definately wear this... if not only because of the FT4, then also for the +10 resists to all. Granted, I'd switch back to my plate after reaching FM again to get the AC again, but if it wasn't for the sucky AC on this item I'd prolly wear it constantly...
Why do people always start saying "This is a *classname* ONLY item."??? If it was only meant for that class.... well.... then it would only be wearable by that class now wouldn't it???
Then YOU would be a FOOL. Put it in an inventory slot, make a hotkey for it and then click it on and off with your plate/chain chest piece and cut your med time. FT IV is worth it and you would NOT be trading off anything.
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Posted:Oct 23 2003 at 12:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think you're confused friend. It's not a right click buff FT 4. It's supposed to be a worn effect. However if that screenshot is correct it's bugged and is labled a focus effect, which means it doesn't provide any mana regen whatsoever.
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Posted:Oct 22 2003 at 9:59 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Check the quest name for this item (and quite an item it is for the druid).