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Heh Heh.. Tradeskill ingredients are the only part of the Norrath economy which is inflating. I remember as a newbie in GFay, being THRILLED to get 4 plat for a Stack of Spiderling or Bone Chips.. Even if I had to risk my tail to run over to the spires to sell..
Treewynd of Solusek Ro
Spiderling Silk
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I will argue that one with you, Treewynd. EVERYTHING is inflating in price, it's just more eveident with tradeskill items, most specifically Tailoring tradeskill items. Everything is inflating because as time goes on, there are more higher-level characters. As time goes on, more content gets added to the game, and tradeskills actually become *cough* "Ornate/Elemental Armor" *cough* indispensably useful.
Also, certain items can only be botained through player action. Peridots are price-fixed, any major jeweller NPC will sell them to you, at the same price, level 1, or level 65, only changing because of your charisma, faction standing, and whether the vendor's "Gouge" flag is set. If you can't get it from a vendor, then it has to come from a player, even if the player is YOU.
Anyway, as the game goes on, more players, and more powerful players, come in, enabling people to get more good stuff.
So, basically, 1) if a player has to callus his finger (or wear down her pencil eraser instead of getting a callus, presuming that a woman will be smarter than a man, lol) to make an item, and 2) the item is somehow useful (no inflation on Plague Rat Tails, is there? 8), then it will have a price tag. And if, over time, there is more money to be made (bigger mobs, bigger loot) instead of getting some item yourself, then over time, its price will rise.
Thus endeth the Economics Lesson.
Edited, Fri Feb 6 00:45:50 2004
Also, certain items can only be botained through player action. Peridots are price-fixed, any major jeweller NPC will sell them to you, at the same price, level 1, or level 65, only changing because of your charisma, faction standing, and whether the vendor's "Gouge" flag is set. If you can't get it from a vendor, then it has to come from a player, even if the player is YOU.
Anyway, as the game goes on, more players, and more powerful players, come in, enabling people to get more good stuff.
So, basically, 1) if a player has to callus his finger (or wear down her pencil eraser instead of getting a callus, presuming that a woman will be smarter than a man, lol) to make an item, and 2) the item is somehow useful (no inflation on Plague Rat Tails, is there? 8), then it will have a price tag. And if, over time, there is more money to be made (bigger mobs, bigger loot) instead of getting some item yourself, then over time, its price will rise.
Thus endeth the Economics Lesson.
Edited, Fri Feb 6 00:45:50 2004
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Posted: Feb 04 2003 at 10:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Is it me or have people gotten EXTREMELY greedy when it comes to the price of these things? Yes, while I know these are the most basic ingredient in any tailoring combine, but they certainly aren't rare...they are a friggin' common drop from a lv 2 MOB!
The people who buy spiderling silks for 3-5 or 7 pp each, are not beginning tailors, they are advanced level smiths, or tailors who supply paddings to these smiths.
spiderling silk x 2 = silk thread
Silk thread+ low quality pelt/skin = leather padding
Leather padding is used in fine steel plate armor, and most armors of higher level, including the new blue diamond cultural armor.
On my server, the Fierce heraldic Breastplate currently sells for over 40000pp.
Do you think the smith who is making those, really cares whether they pay 1pp or 30pp, for the materials to make the padding. In fact, these highe end smiths usually buy the padding pre-made, for 20-40pp per.
The one human smith on my server who markets this armor a LOT in the bazaar, is a lvl 65 with the 15% smithing hammer from Ssra temple. Indicating she hunts in some pretty advanced spots.
Since even the tier one planes in PoP drop awesome gear, and tons of gems, would it really make sense for this smith to skip an evening of grinding for exp and a couple thousand pp, in order to farm her own silks?
Ok, so I can farm enough spiderling silks myself, and pelts to whip up 100 paddings in a 5 hour farming session (and thats with lots of practice, and aoe nuking. Take the several hours to sell them, and I have 4k and no exp.
She can, on the other hand, go grind in the PoP planes, and get a half an AA point, more than 4k, and possibly some real nice gear. So she spends her 4k on the paddings, and is still up the exp, and gear.
Which would you do?
spiderling silk x 2 = silk thread
Silk thread+ low quality pelt/skin = leather padding
Leather padding is used in fine steel plate armor, and most armors of higher level, including the new blue diamond cultural armor.
On my server, the Fierce heraldic Breastplate currently sells for over 40000pp.
Do you think the smith who is making those, really cares whether they pay 1pp or 30pp, for the materials to make the padding. In fact, these highe end smiths usually buy the padding pre-made, for 20-40pp per.
The one human smith on my server who markets this armor a LOT in the bazaar, is a lvl 65 with the 15% smithing hammer from Ssra temple. Indicating she hunts in some pretty advanced spots.
Since even the tier one planes in PoP drop awesome gear, and tons of gems, would it really make sense for this smith to skip an evening of grinding for exp and a couple thousand pp, in order to farm her own silks?
Ok, so I can farm enough spiderling silks myself, and pelts to whip up 100 paddings in a 5 hour farming session (and thats with lots of practice, and aoe nuking. Take the several hours to sell them, and I have 4k and no exp.
She can, on the other hand, go grind in the PoP planes, and get a half an AA point, more than 4k, and possibly some real nice gear. So she spends her 4k on the paddings, and is still up the exp, and gear.
Which would you do?
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Posted: Feb 06 2003 at 12:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well xaanru, I thank your for imparting the basic knowledge of tailoring which everyone knows, but your argument is totally off base.
I think it is you who miss the point here.
First, I am not an "uber" player, and am not in an "uber" guild. My highest level character is 54, and that is after 2 years of playing. 1000+ posts was not an overnight thing either, that has been over 2 years.
Second I do not buy spiderling silks, nor am I saying that they are hard to get. Note that in my first post, I said I could get 200 spiderling silks, and 100 pelts in 5 hours?
However, there are more of these "uber" players that want these items, than there are farmers out hunting them. As long as that is true, the price will be high. It takes several hundred, perhaps even thousand, paddings to powerskill up through fine plate. Many of the "uber guilds" you refer to earlier, have ALL their members do this, so they can make their bane weapons. Well, 80 people, 1000 paddings per, adds up real fast.
Instead of whining about how unfair it is, be smart about it. Go farm a bunch of silks and pelts, and make/sell paddings yourself.
Use the proceeds to fund your tradeskilling.
I have a 212 smith, who is also 135 in tailoring, and another char with 115 tailoring. All of the tailoring was done with items I farmed myself, or purchased from merchants, when necessary to do so.
I am amazed at the nasty tone that you take in your reply, as if I personally were responsible for the presence of high level smiths, or the market value of spiderling silks. I was merely pointing out that there is a perfectly good reason for those prices.
And on the PoP zones, yes the tier one zones ARE pretty easy for a LVL 65. I know a druid who started SOLOing in Plane of Nightmare at lvl 54. He's lvl 60 now, and tells me he AVERAGES 5-8 blue diamond drops PER NIGHT.
The part that further baffles me, is that there is no real skillup use for the spiderling silks, once you pass 46 in tailoring. Farming enough silks to trivial the threads, then using them for paddings is a couple hours of play. The tailor gets to 46, then sells the paddings for a bunch of cash. How is this hindering new tailors.
Also, one last note: I NEVER use the term "NOOB", don't have my epic, and often stop in the newbie zones near cities to buff new players with my druid.
so congrats on your totally uncalled for, unfounded, and irrational flame
First, I am not an "uber" player, and am not in an "uber" guild. My highest level character is 54, and that is after 2 years of playing. 1000+ posts was not an overnight thing either, that has been over 2 years.
Second I do not buy spiderling silks, nor am I saying that they are hard to get. Note that in my first post, I said I could get 200 spiderling silks, and 100 pelts in 5 hours?
However, there are more of these "uber" players that want these items, than there are farmers out hunting them. As long as that is true, the price will be high. It takes several hundred, perhaps even thousand, paddings to powerskill up through fine plate. Many of the "uber guilds" you refer to earlier, have ALL their members do this, so they can make their bane weapons. Well, 80 people, 1000 paddings per, adds up real fast.
Instead of whining about how unfair it is, be smart about it. Go farm a bunch of silks and pelts, and make/sell paddings yourself.
Use the proceeds to fund your tradeskilling.
I have a 212 smith, who is also 135 in tailoring, and another char with 115 tailoring. All of the tailoring was done with items I farmed myself, or purchased from merchants, when necessary to do so.
I am amazed at the nasty tone that you take in your reply, as if I personally were responsible for the presence of high level smiths, or the market value of spiderling silks. I was merely pointing out that there is a perfectly good reason for those prices.
And on the PoP zones, yes the tier one zones ARE pretty easy for a LVL 65. I know a druid who started SOLOing in Plane of Nightmare at lvl 54. He's lvl 60 now, and tells me he AVERAGES 5-8 blue diamond drops PER NIGHT.
The part that further baffles me, is that there is no real skillup use for the spiderling silks, once you pass 46 in tailoring. Farming enough silks to trivial the threads, then using them for paddings is a couple hours of play. The tailor gets to 46, then sells the paddings for a bunch of cash. How is this hindering new tailors.
Also, one last note: I NEVER use the term "NOOB", don't have my epic, and often stop in the newbie zones near cities to buff new players with my druid.
so congrats on your totally uncalled for, unfounded, and irrational flame
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Posted: Feb 06 2003 at 2:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ah xaanru, in your 'sage-like advice' you speak without thinking again AND still miss the original point. /sigh
Well, again, you post a flame that makes no sense.
But to respond to you questions,
1) I think 100pp a stack is a mediocre price for spiderling silks. Sure, I'll buy them at that price if I have to, but I prefer 3pp each or less. Not for smithing, either, I have 2 full backpacks of padding saved up for my own use. I'll just combine them with the pelts that are for sale in the bazaar for 10pp or less, make paddings, and sell them for 25-30pp each.
2)Yes, they do pay that price, happily, because they also make paddings, and sell them for a nice markup. Who wouldn't?
3)There is only ONE tailoring combine involving spiderling silks with a trival over 46. It is a subcombine for the blessed fishing pole. I really doubt you are doing that for skillups, since the dragon egg oil is very expensive to make. Otherwise, all higher level tailoring requires SPIRDER silks, NOT SPIDERLING silks.
4) No, greed has not gotten out of control for most players. As you pointed out, spiderlings are pretty common. If you don't like the price, hunt your own.
What is wrong with a new player deciding to farm some silks, and sell them in the bazaar, so they can afford to gear up in decent equipment, rather than patchwork leather?
Lets read between the lines of your posts, shall we. You apparently WANT spiderling silks, but don't want to pay market prices for them, OR hunt them yourself. You're in essence saying "even though you could sell those for quite a bit more, and quickly, I'm going to call you names, like 'greedy' if you don't sell them to me, dirt cheap." Actually, I think YOU are the one being greedy, by wanting everyone else to remain poor, just so you can buy cheap silks.
Apparently, you've never taken basic economics. There are some basic concepts called supply and demand. The quantity supplied, and the demand for that item, sets the equilibrium price. Now, since there are more people who desire these silks, than there are who provide them, the price has risen. If you want the price to be lower, there are only two answers. 1) convince the buyers that they really don't want them (unlikely), or 2) increase the supply.
Since you've already indicated that you're short on cash, why not work with number 2? Go out farm them, and increase the supply. Or do what I do, and tell every newby you know about them, and get them farming them too. I have successfully driven the price of padding on my server down from 50pp to 25pp on average, by telling every newbie I run across, about the "secret" to big plat, through spiderling silk farming.
Its real simple here, this is not FOOD or something. You don't NEED these. If you don't like the price, DON'T buy it. There are PLENTY of people who feel that those prices are very reasonable.
And to your last point, if my bazaar prices were not reasonable, I would not move anywhere near the volume of armor, mistletoe sickles, and other items that I sell. Or are you saying that 1500pp for an Acrylia Breastplate is unreasonable too?
But to respond to you questions,
1) I think 100pp a stack is a mediocre price for spiderling silks. Sure, I'll buy them at that price if I have to, but I prefer 3pp each or less. Not for smithing, either, I have 2 full backpacks of padding saved up for my own use. I'll just combine them with the pelts that are for sale in the bazaar for 10pp or less, make paddings, and sell them for 25-30pp each.
2)Yes, they do pay that price, happily, because they also make paddings, and sell them for a nice markup. Who wouldn't?
3)There is only ONE tailoring combine involving spiderling silks with a trival over 46. It is a subcombine for the blessed fishing pole. I really doubt you are doing that for skillups, since the dragon egg oil is very expensive to make. Otherwise, all higher level tailoring requires SPIRDER silks, NOT SPIDERLING silks.
4) No, greed has not gotten out of control for most players. As you pointed out, spiderlings are pretty common. If you don't like the price, hunt your own.
What is wrong with a new player deciding to farm some silks, and sell them in the bazaar, so they can afford to gear up in decent equipment, rather than patchwork leather?
Lets read between the lines of your posts, shall we. You apparently WANT spiderling silks, but don't want to pay market prices for them, OR hunt them yourself. You're in essence saying "even though you could sell those for quite a bit more, and quickly, I'm going to call you names, like 'greedy' if you don't sell them to me, dirt cheap." Actually, I think YOU are the one being greedy, by wanting everyone else to remain poor, just so you can buy cheap silks.
Apparently, you've never taken basic economics. There are some basic concepts called supply and demand. The quantity supplied, and the demand for that item, sets the equilibrium price. Now, since there are more people who desire these silks, than there are who provide them, the price has risen. If you want the price to be lower, there are only two answers. 1) convince the buyers that they really don't want them (unlikely), or 2) increase the supply.
Since you've already indicated that you're short on cash, why not work with number 2? Go out farm them, and increase the supply. Or do what I do, and tell every newby you know about them, and get them farming them too. I have successfully driven the price of padding on my server down from 50pp to 25pp on average, by telling every newbie I run across, about the "secret" to big plat, through spiderling silk farming.
Its real simple here, this is not FOOD or something. You don't NEED these. If you don't like the price, DON'T buy it. There are PLENTY of people who feel that those prices are very reasonable.
And to your last point, if my bazaar prices were not reasonable, I would not move anywhere near the volume of armor, mistletoe sickles, and other items that I sell. Or are you saying that 1500pp for an Acrylia Breastplate is unreasonable too?
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Well get this fokes since some nerf's of our friendly spiders in 2004 these selln for 19 pp each on CT.
Ya all U youngsters out there this is a great way to make some plat .
Ya all U youngsters out there this is a great way to make some plat .
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Test results are in...just as I thought. You failed xaanru.
Yet again, you like to throw irrelevancy without comprehending the basic principle...be honest do you have Attention Deficit Disorder? The issue is greed.
Since you are on the Mith Marr server (the same server which has an extremely powerful guild), maybe there are some who are 'happy' to pay that outrageous price.
Reality check xaanru, on Bertoxx, people scoff and complain about people that try to gouge others by charging even more than 20+ pp a stack. If you don't believe me, make a newbie character and sit in the bazaar. You will notice that the people that sell their stacks over 20+ pp don't sell. Or you can do this, farm a stack while you are a newbie and then do a shout in the bazaar or auction channel "WTS a stack of spiderling silks, 100 pp, PST." Watch everyone scold you in that room. Maybe you will get one buy, but I strongly doubt it.
Again you somehow like to be very defensive about this highway robbery committed by those greedy traders. Since you like talking about economics, did it ever occur to you that inflation snowballs? Think back to economics 101 xaanru, if a supplier charges $1 for a basic ingredient, the maker will buy it and then will charge the outcome to make a substantial profit, perhaps $2 or $3. (Stay with me now since you have a problem with focus and comprehension). If the supplier then charges $2, what do you think the maker will then charge for the outcome? Come on xaanru, hopefully you weren't falling asleep in your economics class since you sure as hell was dozing during your reading class. Thats right! More than $3 to make sure he breaks even AND makes a profit.
Spiderling silks = the ingredient, think about what happens if the ingredient such as that is increased. This small inflation makes other items which use any ingredient such as this to skyrocket and become ridiculous.
You are in a dream world that you think greed doesn't exist. I think you should quit the game, since you are becoming a hinderance and allowing this greed to go rampant by defending them and then flaming me while I am trying to bring light to this problem.
I checked your profile and viewed some of the items that you are selling. Hmm...2 pp for a Bone Chips?! You are joking right? That better be for a stack or else you are truly the epitome of greed. Shame on you if you are charging 2pp for one.
This is my final post on this issue since I am wasting my time making my point across and trying to reason with you or your irrelevant flames. I'm very sure the rest of your 1K+ posts (/laughs) are filled with your unhelpful and irrelevant thoughts...maybe you just like seeing your own writings and it brings you back to your childhood when you would come home from school and show mommy and daddy what you drew and say "I did that (/proud look on face)".
To those that agree with you, so be it...let the prices of this item skyrocket and have other players such as I and the majority of players who don't have bill gates-esqe bank accounts suffer (when buying other items that use ingredients such as this or other crafts) due to inflation caused by this greed. Is asking to pay a reasonable price (under 15 pp a stack) for this item too much for you people? You make the game to be money-focused which it shouldn't be.
For those people that agree with me and feel that paying anything more than 15+ pp for a stack of this item is ridiculous, it is sad that these greedy individuals ruin the economy and cause even decent armor or common item prices to be out of control.
Thank you and goodnight...happy trading! = )
Yet again, you like to throw irrelevancy without comprehending the basic principle...be honest do you have Attention Deficit Disorder? The issue is greed.
Since you are on the Mith Marr server (the same server which has an extremely powerful guild), maybe there are some who are 'happy' to pay that outrageous price.
Reality check xaanru, on Bertoxx, people scoff and complain about people that try to gouge others by charging even more than 20+ pp a stack. If you don't believe me, make a newbie character and sit in the bazaar. You will notice that the people that sell their stacks over 20+ pp don't sell. Or you can do this, farm a stack while you are a newbie and then do a shout in the bazaar or auction channel "WTS a stack of spiderling silks, 100 pp, PST." Watch everyone scold you in that room. Maybe you will get one buy, but I strongly doubt it.
Again you somehow like to be very defensive about this highway robbery committed by those greedy traders. Since you like talking about economics, did it ever occur to you that inflation snowballs? Think back to economics 101 xaanru, if a supplier charges $1 for a basic ingredient, the maker will buy it and then will charge the outcome to make a substantial profit, perhaps $2 or $3. (Stay with me now since you have a problem with focus and comprehension). If the supplier then charges $2, what do you think the maker will then charge for the outcome? Come on xaanru, hopefully you weren't falling asleep in your economics class since you sure as hell was dozing during your reading class. Thats right! More than $3 to make sure he breaks even AND makes a profit.
Spiderling silks = the ingredient, think about what happens if the ingredient such as that is increased. This small inflation makes other items which use any ingredient such as this to skyrocket and become ridiculous.
You are in a dream world that you think greed doesn't exist. I think you should quit the game, since you are becoming a hinderance and allowing this greed to go rampant by defending them and then flaming me while I am trying to bring light to this problem.
I checked your profile and viewed some of the items that you are selling. Hmm...2 pp for a Bone Chips?! You are joking right? That better be for a stack or else you are truly the epitome of greed. Shame on you if you are charging 2pp for one.
This is my final post on this issue since I am wasting my time making my point across and trying to reason with you or your irrelevant flames. I'm very sure the rest of your 1K+ posts (/laughs) are filled with your unhelpful and irrelevant thoughts...maybe you just like seeing your own writings and it brings you back to your childhood when you would come home from school and show mommy and daddy what you drew and say "I did that (/proud look on face)".
To those that agree with you, so be it...let the prices of this item skyrocket and have other players such as I and the majority of players who don't have bill gates-esqe bank accounts suffer (when buying other items that use ingredients such as this or other crafts) due to inflation caused by this greed. Is asking to pay a reasonable price (under 15 pp a stack) for this item too much for you people? You make the game to be money-focused which it shouldn't be.
For those people that agree with me and feel that paying anything more than 15+ pp for a stack of this item is ridiculous, it is sad that these greedy individuals ruin the economy and cause even decent armor or common item prices to be out of control.
Thank you and goodnight...happy trading! = )
Once again, your ignorance comes shining through.
First, I don't play on mithaniel marr server, I don't know where you got that idea.
Second, Those prices you refer to, are not for things I sell, they are the prices I received for those items, at some point in the distant past, VERY long ago, since I have not added a single price in over a year.
2pp for bone chips, was pre bazaar, and not a price I was asking, it was a price being offered, in Kurns tower, by a monk working on faction for his shackle quest. Did I take it, you bet I did.
Third, I still fail to see how selling for a market price is greed, unless you are one of those anti-capitalist, pro communism types. You want everyone to sell you spiderling silks for less than one platinum each, when paddings sell for 25pp each. Who's the greedy one here? The people SELLING spiderling silks are not "UBERS" with mega bank accounts. They are low level characters, who are trying to get enough cash up to trade in their newby gear for better stuff.
Again, the greed I see is all coming from you.
You are saying that you want EVERYONE else to go get spiderling silks, and then sell them to you for practically nothing. Their time isn't worth squat to you. Thats greed. Personally, I don't farm, or sell spiderling silks, because I have much faster ways to make money.
Back when I was in the farm and sell stage, spiderling silks did sell for 20pp a stack, and I sold lots of them for that price. However, that was back when there wasn't any acrylia plate armor, or Heraldic, Full Mithril, etc. The incentive to become a master smith was much lower, and had no real payoff, except for the OLD cultural armor, which was inferior to a lot of easily obtained dropped or quested armor (crafted, lambent. etc).
Honestly, do you really think I try to recall whether I used spiderling silks I farmed for myself, or ones I paid 3pp for, when deciding whether to price my Acrylia plate greaves at 1500pp, instead of 1600pp?
I pay 100pp each for windstones and blocks of acrylia ore. 30pp for vials of clear mana, 20pp each for essence of wind. 18p9g for a greaves mold. You really think I worry whether my padding cost me 15pp instead of 10pp?
Now, also note, I am not making the high end stuff. When you look at the high end smiths, they have even less reason to care about 2pp, when making a 40kpp item.
And once more, let me point out, instead of complaining about not having cash, you could always farm about 2000 spiderling silks, set the price wherever YOU want it, and force the other farmers to match. Quite simple really.
Is it greedy to charge a 2pp profit on a piece of Wu's armor? Why not, Wu's is simple to make, everything is easily bought from merchants, or in the bazaar. Takes less time to make a piece of Wu's than it takes to farm a spiderling silk. So you should sell them at cost, right? Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Its the same argument you are making, only now you'd be the supplier, not the buyer.
I never said greed doesn't exist, I said its not out of control. Greed is the reason why there is EVER anyone in the bazaar. Why not just give away all the stuff you don't need? Because you want money for it, so you can get better stuff. Thats greed.
You on the other hand, want everyone to give you the fruits of their labor, without paying a fair price. Thats rampant greed.
Edited, Mon Feb 10 11:51:05 2003
First, I don't play on mithaniel marr server, I don't know where you got that idea.
Second, Those prices you refer to, are not for things I sell, they are the prices I received for those items, at some point in the distant past, VERY long ago, since I have not added a single price in over a year.
2pp for bone chips, was pre bazaar, and not a price I was asking, it was a price being offered, in Kurns tower, by a monk working on faction for his shackle quest. Did I take it, you bet I did.
Third, I still fail to see how selling for a market price is greed, unless you are one of those anti-capitalist, pro communism types. You want everyone to sell you spiderling silks for less than one platinum each, when paddings sell for 25pp each. Who's the greedy one here? The people SELLING spiderling silks are not "UBERS" with mega bank accounts. They are low level characters, who are trying to get enough cash up to trade in their newby gear for better stuff.
Again, the greed I see is all coming from you.
You are saying that you want EVERYONE else to go get spiderling silks, and then sell them to you for practically nothing. Their time isn't worth squat to you. Thats greed. Personally, I don't farm, or sell spiderling silks, because I have much faster ways to make money.
Back when I was in the farm and sell stage, spiderling silks did sell for 20pp a stack, and I sold lots of them for that price. However, that was back when there wasn't any acrylia plate armor, or Heraldic, Full Mithril, etc. The incentive to become a master smith was much lower, and had no real payoff, except for the OLD cultural armor, which was inferior to a lot of easily obtained dropped or quested armor (crafted, lambent. etc).
Honestly, do you really think I try to recall whether I used spiderling silks I farmed for myself, or ones I paid 3pp for, when deciding whether to price my Acrylia plate greaves at 1500pp, instead of 1600pp?
I pay 100pp each for windstones and blocks of acrylia ore. 30pp for vials of clear mana, 20pp each for essence of wind. 18p9g for a greaves mold. You really think I worry whether my padding cost me 15pp instead of 10pp?
Now, also note, I am not making the high end stuff. When you look at the high end smiths, they have even less reason to care about 2pp, when making a 40kpp item.
And once more, let me point out, instead of complaining about not having cash, you could always farm about 2000 spiderling silks, set the price wherever YOU want it, and force the other farmers to match. Quite simple really.
Is it greedy to charge a 2pp profit on a piece of Wu's armor? Why not, Wu's is simple to make, everything is easily bought from merchants, or in the bazaar. Takes less time to make a piece of Wu's than it takes to farm a spiderling silk. So you should sell them at cost, right? Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Its the same argument you are making, only now you'd be the supplier, not the buyer.
I never said greed doesn't exist, I said its not out of control. Greed is the reason why there is EVER anyone in the bazaar. Why not just give away all the stuff you don't need? Because you want money for it, so you can get better stuff. Thats greed.
You on the other hand, want everyone to give you the fruits of their labor, without paying a fair price. Thats rampant greed.
Edited, Mon Feb 10 11:51:05 2003
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I know this is an old post, so don't flame me, please lol. But I read through this whole exchange and just had to post how infuriating aGreySquirrel was. What a dense bint. People like that need to open their eyes and take their fingers out of their ears. Sheesh, how much more ignorant can she get?
OK OK, /flame off, I feel better. =) Oh, and btw, Xaan, besides having to do battle with dimwits that attack him on a personal level, has had nothing but awesome posts, with plenty of good information.
OK OK, /flame off, I feel better. =) Oh, and btw, Xaan, besides having to do battle with dimwits that attack him on a personal level, has had nothing but awesome posts, with plenty of good information.
Yep, xaanru, you hit the nail on the head. That squirelly aGreySquirrel poster is the greedy one. Greedy because an easy-to-get item (Spiderling Silk) is now worth more to higher-level players, and is thus priced higher to reward those that take the time to get it. aGreySquirrel is either a Marxist, or a Marxist sympathizer, and wants to stiff the people working to provide the silks to folks, when it's obviously worth more to people now, then it was when those folks had fewer opportunities for play. aGS thinks that it's easy to get those silks, so they should be priced at a low price. Forever. No matter how useful it might be for someone else to get them. They're easy-to-get, and since Marx said that items (capital) are worth the amount of labor it takes to make them, they can't be but low-priced.
Forever.
And if you want to charge more for them, just because someone else wants them more badly, then "You're being GREEDY!" And if you don't agree, then you must be on Crack, or else you're mentally deficient, defective, or ill.
Forever.
And if you want to charge more for them, just because someone else wants them more badly, then "You're being GREEDY!" And if you don't agree, then you must be on Crack, or else you're mentally deficient, defective, or ill.
gotta agree with xa on this one, if a lowly tailor cant afford the price then they need to farm themselves and quit whining
btw my tailoring is 200 and i buythe silk on brell for 100p any time send a tell anubsin
im always in the bazaar
btw my tailoring is 200 and i buythe silk on brell for 100p any time send a tell anubsin
im always in the bazaar
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I'm in agreement with you, if he thinks prices are too high for them, he can farm them. It really is a seller's market here BECAUSE there isnt much of a supply. If prices are too high, get them yourself, you could even get a few extra and sell them at a lower price than average in the bazaar so they'd sell almost instantly, and get the plat to make up for the time you spent farming.
Scholar
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Topic for discussion... where is the best place to farm spiderling silks at?
dunno if it's just me, but I stumble over much more spiderlings in east commons than in everfrost... =)
Without a doubt it is Everfrost, especially if you can't track.
Look on the EQ Atlas page. There is a large open area between Halas and Blackburrow with 3 igloos. Wooly Spiderlings walk through here all the time. Be sure to kill everything else also, because they are all placeholders for each other. Keep killing and the silk will flow. You can farm bone chips here also.
Another good spot is just south of the PoK Book.
Try not to kill steal the newbies, though. They get testy. I've often offered to buy silks for 1pp each and made quite a killing. You can also buy them cheaper from the Halas merchants. Take them to bazaar by themselves or make some padding, and you will quickly make up the difference.
Look on the EQ Atlas page. There is a large open area between Halas and Blackburrow with 3 igloos. Wooly Spiderlings walk through here all the time. Be sure to kill everything else also, because they are all placeholders for each other. Keep killing and the silk will flow. You can farm bone chips here also.
Another good spot is just south of the PoK Book.
Try not to kill steal the newbies, though. They get testy. I've often offered to buy silks for 1pp each and made quite a killing. You can also buy them cheaper from the Halas merchants. Take them to bazaar by themselves or make some padding, and you will quickly make up the difference.
I'm partial to Everfrost newbie area, the spiderlings follow a set path because of the valleys. A bard friend just stood there and sang and AoE attack song and scooped up the bodies.
In the other newbie areas, the spiderlings wander all over the place it seems, in Everfrost they kind of flow like a stream :)
In the other newbie areas, the spiderlings wander all over the place it seems, in Everfrost they kind of flow like a stream :)
yea i was doing some hunting in kelethin, and i kept getting woven spider silks, my friend need spider silks, can i make a woven spider silk into a spider silk(s) and if so how? kinad like making hq pelt to mq pelt
Woven spider silks are not the same as spider silks, nor can one be made into another as far as I know. The woven spider silks are required for at least the Kelethin druid newbie armor quest, probably other newbie quests as well. I am not aware of any use for them beyond those quests (in particular, no tailoring recipes), and I would suspect that's their only purpose. Regular spider silks are what you want for tailoring.
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Woven spider silks can also sometimes be found in larger quantities at one of the Tox merchants, depending on the volume of Erudin-based newbees.
Note however, that the widow spiders here drop woven widow silk, unlike the large spiders. Maybe it can be used as a PH for woven spider silk, but this site has no knowledge of this woven silk....
Note however, that the widow spiders here drop woven widow silk, unlike the large spiders. Maybe it can be used as a PH for woven spider silk, but this site has no knowledge of this woven silk....
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Please, where can I get woven spider silks?
I need about 15 for the sewing kit quest.Gloves,
Trousers,Sandals. Can I make them with the spider
silks from kills, I tryed to buy in stores but only see one once in a while.Please help this level 7 mage.
I need about 15 for the sewing kit quest.Gloves,
Trousers,Sandals. Can I make them with the spider
silks from kills, I tryed to buy in stores but only see one once in a while.Please help this level 7 mage.
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I looked everywhere for these too, they look like cloth cords rather than spiderwebs. Several merchants in freeport have them now as well.
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woven spider silks are commonly found of the large and giant spiders in ec, may be in other zones, havent payed much attention.But you will find them in east common lands. check all the inns and any spider/giant spider corpses left to decay, many who dont need them let them rot.
Hope this helps
Chalidhar Spiritwalker
40 Druid of Tunare
Inny
Hope this helps
Chalidhar Spiritwalker
40 Druid of Tunare
Inny
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I have never bought these, being a druid I can track spiderlings quite easily and get a stack or two in half an hour. The reason I think the average price above is so high is because higher level characters do tailoring and just pay large amounts of money to get their skill up quickly. The only thing I really use these silks for now is silk cords for my 6slot 10% weight reduction bags.
Nuldas-30th level and prexus server
Nuldas-30th level and prexus server
silk swatches also good for high end smithers working on fine plate. cause you need silk cords for FP armor
Actually you are wrong Kenneth. Not only do Silk Swatches not make Silk Cord, but High End Smiths dont want either of them anyways because you dont use Silk Cord to make Fine Plate (amazing how many facts you have wrong here in 20 words or less).
Spiders (large, Giant, etc.) drop Spider Silk. Combine 2 Spider Silks and you get a Silk Swatch.
Silk Swatches are used to make Raw Silk Armor, Cured Silk Armor and Master Wu's Fighting Armor.
SpiderLING's in thier various forms drop Spiderling Silk.
Combine 2 Spiderling Silks and you get a Silk THREAD, which is what tailors combine with LQ Pelts to make Leather Padding which is used by smiths who are making Fine Plate.
3 spiderling silks combined will give you Silk Bandages.
3 Silk THREADS combined will give you Silk Cord which is needed not by smiths but by tailors to make things such as the various bags (with the appropriate pelt of course) like the Large Tailored Bag that is 10%WR and 6 Slots.
Please dont post if you are only quessing, it only confuses those who heed what you say.
Spiders (large, Giant, etc.) drop Spider Silk. Combine 2 Spider Silks and you get a Silk Swatch.
Silk Swatches are used to make Raw Silk Armor, Cured Silk Armor and Master Wu's Fighting Armor.
SpiderLING's in thier various forms drop Spiderling Silk.
Combine 2 Spiderling Silks and you get a Silk THREAD, which is what tailors combine with LQ Pelts to make Leather Padding which is used by smiths who are making Fine Plate.
3 spiderling silks combined will give you Silk Bandages.
3 Silk THREADS combined will give you Silk Cord which is needed not by smiths but by tailors to make things such as the various bags (with the appropriate pelt of course) like the Large Tailored Bag that is 10%WR and 6 Slots.
Please dont post if you are only quessing, it only confuses those who heed what you say.
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actually that is not quite correct either. To make Fine plate you need leather padding. To make leather padding you need to spiderling silks which you combine to make a silk thread. You then combine the silk threads.. with a low quality pelt to make padding. You then combine the padding with a pattern your metal etc etc... to make fine plate.
Cuedainya
57 cleric
Quellious
Cuedainya
57 cleric
Quellious
That's the same thing he said.
/boggle
read his post again, he said that you combine two silks to make a thread, then combine with a LQ pelt for a padding. So where was he wrong about the padding? He was indeed wrong about the bandages. Silk bandages are made from 2 threads, as the poster below points out.
/boggle
read his post again, he said that you combine two silks to make a thread, then combine with a LQ pelt for a padding. So where was he wrong about the padding? He was indeed wrong about the bandages. Silk bandages are made from 2 threads, as the poster below points out.
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You're right for the most part, except the bandages. It's not 3 spiderling silks that make the bandages. It's 2 silk threads, which, assuming you never fail, will require 4 spiderling silks total. Just thought I'd throw that out there for everyone.
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You forgot to call him an idiot, or at the very least imply that he is stupid for not getting his facts straight before he posts.
Note to posters: notice how Wyldchyld responded in a positive way correcting a poster without the need to make him/her feel like an idiot because they were wrong.
Maybe it's a Paladin of Tunare thing.
Decolater - Paldin under Tunare
Rodcet Nife
Note to posters: notice how Wyldchyld responded in a positive way correcting a poster without the need to make him/her feel like an idiot because they were wrong.
Maybe it's a Paladin of Tunare thing.
Decolater - Paldin under Tunare
Rodcet Nife
13 posts
Actually you use Silk Swatches in making Tier'Dal Cultural Armor...
Was just wondering if anyone has found a merchant anywhere with an unending supply of silk? I know there is a merchant for Batwings,which i use for levitate as a ranger but i also have a Beastlord..who has to Tailor to do anything,so i am gonna try to work up some backpacks to lesson my Loot loads. Ursas Majoris-EM Server-40'th Season Ranger.
Unfortunately no. Tailoring seems to be the only trade skill for which you can't buy the components. It's long boring work hunting silks, but sometimes if you hang around newbie zones you can buy them from players for a few plat per stack.
Hope that helps.
Inivar Gaddavidda
Hope that helps.
Inivar Gaddavidda
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jul 12 2001 at 6:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I just started a new char and was hunting in N Ro, I just noticed they have added BST in the class section on these (hmm maybe Verant have decided to change ALL to a list of classes now LOL). Also these are now stackable =)
An invaluable stepping stone in a tailors practice. Need to have these to make thread which makes cord and bandages.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jan 18 2001 at 11:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Silk thread do you get when 2 silks you combine in a sewing kit. A silk bandage do you get when 2 threads you combine. Good to know this is.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Mar 20 2001 at 2:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 3pps?! If spiderling silk sold for that much, I'd be King of Norrath by now. (chuckle-giggle-guffaw)
#Anonymous,
Posted: Mar 26 2001 at 11:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, let's think about this. 2SS->1ST, 3ST->1SC and SC is required for backpacks and leather backing which higher level characters use to practice their tailoring and smithy. So, is it more useful to go hunting down creatures that you get no experience for, or drop 1-3pp on a newbie to get the silk? Obviously, someone thought it was worth it.
In response to a previous post: The reason they don't include the selling price of the various permutations of spiderling silk combines is that they are a NO-FAIL combine. Why the hell would anyone pay extra for something that only takes a few clicks. And if you will pay extra for nothing, you should probably decide on your own what nothing is worth. I had a guy try to sell me a stack of spider silks for 2pp and said he would turn them all into silk swatches for 4pp. What a deal.
This just in......
Citizens with low tailoring skill all around Norrath have been reporting that they are failing at combining 2 spiderling silks!
The good news is that this only seems to be happening for a short while. Ironicly, once the person gets better at it, the failure rate seems to drop sharply.
Back to you Bob.
Citizens with low tailoring skill all around Norrath have been reporting that they are failing at combining 2 spiderling silks!
The good news is that this only seems to be happening for a short while. Ironicly, once the person gets better at it, the failure rate seems to drop sharply.
Back to you Bob.
This just in...
That's baloney! Silk swatches and silk threads are, and have been for at least 2 years, NO FAIL!!!!
The good news is, you were wrong, and you cannot lose a spider silk, or spiderling silk this way.
That's baloney! Silk swatches and silk threads are, and have been for at least 2 years, NO FAIL!!!!
The good news is, you were wrong, and you cannot lose a spider silk, or spiderling silk this way.
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