Just a quick post, not at all a secret but there is a tunnel through some rocks, out of the drop in point at Yaels pit. Just click on one of the rocks and you are free to explore. There are 2 Spirit wards on the other side and a wandering 'Broken construct' in the tunnel beyond.
I mention this just because some people seem to think that once dropped into that pit, the only option is to zone into Brells or back to the zone entry.
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Ruins of Old Paineel (The Hole)
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Type: IndoorContinent: Odus
Instanced: No
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Level Range: 40 - 65
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The Hole is also known as Old Paineel, the first stronghold of the Heretics, and has long been taken over Elementals and their ilk.
For the longest time, the Hole was rumored to house the entrance to the Underfoot... This is, of course, no longer a rumor.-----------------------
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With the merc system you should be able to start this zone at 35.
What you see is what you get!
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If you always do what you have always done, You will always get what you have always gotten!!!
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If you always do what you have always done, You will always get what you have always gotten!!!
Broken constructs and gargoyles are stupidly spell resistant. Came here with 70 mage and being lightblue it wasn't uncommon at all to have to cast malo at least 2 to 4 times each pull. If I didn't get a Malo off I could expect about 50% chance of my nuke being resisted.
Only thing I hate about EQ is spell resistant mobs. I have yet to find mobs I can't land melee attacks on. Sure there are some with high AC but at least your landing hits on them! Found the named ghost near underfoot zone and my pet had to do it all because I couldn't land ANYTHING on it and it was green.
Only thing I hate about EQ is spell resistant mobs. I have yet to find mobs I can't land melee attacks on. Sure there are some with high AC but at least your landing hits on them! Found the named ghost near underfoot zone and my pet had to do it all because I couldn't land ANYTHING on it and it was green.
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Deep within this place is the rumoured entrance to the Plane of Underfoot.
No longer a rumor! :P
Somewhere heckling Fleven about updating quest info lol...
Scholar
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So, I was bugging out reading the most current posts about entering The Hole. I had absolutely no problem being normal sized. All I did was cast Lev, EB and Invis (invis because I thought I would get ganked). Squoze through the hole in rocks and Bam there I was. Now I'm camping Elementals for the Binder and not a single mob over my level can be seem thus far at the entrance. And after clearing the main hall got the Binder. Happy Hunting.
I'm posting this because I just had to and there was nothing I could find that helped much to tell me.
I was on autofollow on my way to Gunthak. And I had just thought what a dangerous thing it was to be doing that at the top of the Hole when I went over the edge.
I landed safely in the water just by an indifferent NPC but with a lot of "Dead adventurer's corpses" on the ground. The map was unhelpful and the place is unrecognisable since I was last there.
Directly ahead of me was a face in the cliff. Going through the tunnel where the mouth was took me to a corridor ending in a swirling mist. entering that (on the basis that anywhere was better than the bottom of the Hole) took me back to the entrance right at the top but still inside the zone. This is where I got lucky as I was able to shrink and swim out through the crack.
Without Shrink I guess I'd have had to wait for a friend to run me some potions or find someone with a key.
I was on autofollow on my way to Gunthak. And I had just thought what a dangerous thing it was to be doing that at the top of the Hole when I went over the edge.
I landed safely in the water just by an indifferent NPC but with a lot of "Dead adventurer's corpses" on the ground. The map was unhelpful and the place is unrecognisable since I was last there.
Directly ahead of me was a face in the cliff. Going through the tunnel where the mouth was took me to a corridor ending in a swirling mist. entering that (on the basis that anywhere was better than the bottom of the Hole) took me back to the entrance right at the top but still inside the zone. This is where I got lucky as I was able to shrink and swim out through the crack.
Without Shrink I guess I'd have had to wait for a friend to run me some potions or find someone with a key.
Wherever I go - there I am.
I have been in this pit with the mist that you describe. Now, having never been to The Hole before, I don't
know what this was like before. But I got there by running through the city
portion of The Hole and jumping in the lake, swimming to a waterfall/ledge
and jumping off.
On EQAtlas, this spot is shown as where "Master Yael" spawns, with a (at
that time) entrance to the "Plane of Underfoot".
It's obvious that this "Plane" is the swirling mist. It's funny you
say you went through it and just ended up going back to the Evac
spot of The Hole. When I was there with my friend, he had the
same experience. However, when *I* went through, I ended up in
a new zone called "Brell's Rest". Why that swirling
mist works as "Evac" for one person, but "Zone to Brell's Rest" to another is
beyond me. I got back by just turning around in this new zone,
and saw that there was swirling mist behind me. I went through
it and ended up at the bottom of the pit where I started.
Oh, and yes, there was a bunch of "body of dead adventurer" scattered
around the bottom of that hole.
So....the jump to the bottom of that pit, which I'm told USED to kill
people but which also used to be "the way into the Hole, to avoid
the city" seems useless to me. There's no way out of that pit
except the swirling mist. Before that mist became a usable
exit, why would ANYONE have jumped into it (unless their
goal was to Kill Master Yael and then....gate everyone out?)
I jumped into this pit thinking that I could reach the
windows of the Undead Tower (my ultimate goal), but did not
succeed.
Anyway, from reading tons of posts, I agree that there needs to
be some definitive information on this part of The Hole.
Drexxell
Edited, Aug 19th 2010 9:15am by DrexelNecromancer
know what this was like before. But I got there by running through the city
portion of The Hole and jumping in the lake, swimming to a waterfall/ledge
and jumping off.
On EQAtlas, this spot is shown as where "Master Yael" spawns, with a (at
that time) entrance to the "Plane of Underfoot".
It's obvious that this "Plane" is the swirling mist. It's funny you
say you went through it and just ended up going back to the Evac
spot of The Hole. When I was there with my friend, he had the
same experience. However, when *I* went through, I ended up in
a new zone called "Brell's Rest". Why that swirling
mist works as "Evac" for one person, but "Zone to Brell's Rest" to another is
beyond me. I got back by just turning around in this new zone,
and saw that there was swirling mist behind me. I went through
it and ended up at the bottom of the pit where I started.
Oh, and yes, there was a bunch of "body of dead adventurer" scattered
around the bottom of that hole.
So....the jump to the bottom of that pit, which I'm told USED to kill
people but which also used to be "the way into the Hole, to avoid
the city" seems useless to me. There's no way out of that pit
except the swirling mist. Before that mist became a usable
exit, why would ANYONE have jumped into it (unless their
goal was to Kill Master Yael and then....gate everyone out?)
I jumped into this pit thinking that I could reach the
windows of the Undead Tower (my ultimate goal), but did not
succeed.
Anyway, from reading tons of posts, I agree that there needs to
be some definitive information on this part of The Hole.
Drexxell
Edited, Aug 19th 2010 9:15am by DrexelNecromancer
I would venture a guess that the previous poster and your friend did not have the UF expansion, while you do. Them not having it means they can't zone into Brell's Rest, and were default zoned to the safe area of the city.
All that is lost, is not Forsaken
5 posts
You can shroud down to 70 and get at least 80 aa an hour there right now.
Not saying how but use it while its good.
Not saying how but use it while its good.
3 posts
And you will get rolled back with the next patch. Went there yesterday for my epic 1.5 to farm Ball of Elemental Clay. At 65, got 1 AA per green kill... Since i had the chance to find all my clay and the Ancient Tome of Lost Lore, i have made a /bug report, i wantend to keep my items. GM confirmed there would be a roll back with next patch for those who used the glitch. So dont go there today, timewaste
Ok I get the new expansion coming out and we need to hype up all the high lvl people, but jeez!
I zone in with an UNBUFFED 85 ench, working on getting couple alts their 1.0s, with them in tow. Next thing i know out of the blue,more next turn, I run smack into these critters. Hitting the enchanter for 4k+
WTF was sony thinking!?! It isn't just that I died, but how exactly do they plan on people doing epic work to do their freaking epics .. SMOOTH MOVE
So, with that rant now being over, does anyone know if they plan on at least putting the mobs we need back in there? Maybe a date if anyone knows something?
Please help if you are able.
I zone in with an UNBUFFED 85 ench, working on getting couple alts their 1.0s, with them in tow. Next thing i know out of the blue,more next turn, I run smack into these critters. Hitting the enchanter for 4k+
WTF was sony thinking!?! It isn't just that I died, but how exactly do they plan on people doing epic work to do their freaking epics .. SMOOTH MOVE
So, with that rant now being over, does anyone know if they plan on at least putting the mobs we need back in there? Maybe a date if anyone knows something?
Please help if you are able.
I feel your pain.
My 85 necro got jumped and died while I was scouting out the best route for my Paladin's epic mob.
How a 60's level Paladin can play in a zone where 85 level toons die is beyond me.
My 85 necro got jumped and died while I was scouting out the best route for my Paladin's epic mob.
How a 60's level Paladin can play in a zone where 85 level toons die is beyond me.
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Went today to do some epic stuff and just to forwarn anyone the hols is swarming with lvl 85 cliknars that hit for 4k+ not a fun place to go .
42 posts
How come there is no written information about the 3 hidden teleport pads inside The Hole? In a secret passage in the undead city, there is 3 teleport pads, 1 goes to paineel, another goes to neriak 3rd gate, and another goes to erudin palace inside a jail cell. To think, all these years I've been playing eq and I had never fully explored the hole enough to realize this. It looks like its uncommon knowledge because it's not up on this website. Has this always been here since the start of EQ?
Scholar
16 posts
I can say that there is no need for safe fall or buffs to land the drop. I have been doing AA on my SK for a long time here and it seems that all you need to survive the fall is a good fast internet connection. When i attempt this at home i never have trouble making the landing. But i have tried on dialup and die every time. It appears that lag will kill you more than any other factor.
2 posts
You can jump and /q before you hit the ground and you'll live
This works.
20 posts
The Hole has mobs deeper that con green/light blue to a level 75....
this is advantageous over most PoP zones.....
Can be entered with shrunk, key, falling down hole with invuln,
You can sit/stand hotkey and get thru unshrunk.... but it is very hard
Alot easier with shrink.... i recommend shrink
Edited, Mar 18th 2009 5:09pm by Toolis
this is advantageous over most PoP zones.....
Can be entered with shrunk, key, falling down hole with invuln,
You can sit/stand hotkey and get thru unshrunk.... but it is very hard
Alot easier with shrink.... i recommend shrink
Edited, Mar 18th 2009 5:09pm by Toolis
Scholar
17 posts
So today, as a 64 erudites magician (12Khp buffed), i tried to jump into the hole, weight was 44, died.... hit for 200Kdmg dunno when they changed that but dmg taken are no longer 10K, so i was without buffs after respawn so i tried again, with mount, with trying to duck, to move, to land in water ... i spent about 1 hour dieing and dieing, trying every tricks that peeps here told us to work .... the ONLY thing i can't test is the safe fall thing. and now i'll use expedient recovery hehehe =)p
You can try WHAT you WANT if you haven't someone to make you invulnerable, you simply can't jump into the hole safely as of today 30/01/2009 6pm gmt-1, you'll be hitten for 200Kdmg.
the only safe way is get an invulnerability
the way you can test at your own risk is safe fall
taraskh of karana
PS: sorry for my bad english speaking...
You can try WHAT you WANT if you haven't someone to make you invulnerable, you simply can't jump into the hole safely as of today 30/01/2009 6pm gmt-1, you'll be hitten for 200Kdmg.
the only safe way is get an invulnerability
the way you can test at your own risk is safe fall
taraskh of karana
PS: sorry for my bad english speaking...
a lot of jumping in to the hole has to do w/ where you hit, at the bottom, and if you've successfully clipped one or more slopes on the walls on the way down. if you clip a wall just right, it resets your fall distance. go figure.
if you manage to land in the water, yer golden.....
TTFN,
Me
if you manage to land in the water, yer golden.....
TTFN,
Me
3 posts
a relatively low safe fall can help u alot here, i fell in on lvl 50 bard with a safe fall of 104/270 and got hurt for 50 or so dmg
15 posts
The less weight you are caryying, the less dmg you take. I get hit for 53 dmg on my necro when i zone in and he normally carries around 50 stones...when i jump in on my SHD, with a weight of around 150-160, i take around 10,000dmg
Scholar
27 posts
I got the changling to pop when i was doin the massive contructs, one pop in 2 hrs in this camp. I'm sure most know this but for 4 pp in baz on DR server Potion of Ant ,,, shrink .. ur in =) Might be lazy but for the limited amount of trips i make here 80pp for stack of ant pot's seemed reasonable....
Drunkenmonk
41st Monk Druzzil Ro
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41st Monk Druzzil Ro
Edited, Jan 15th 2007 4:49pm by badblu
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If you have Depths of Darkhollow, just get the rogue shroud (I used the level 70 goblin one, just for the record) and some lockpicks (which can be bought in PoTranquility). No killing kobolds for faction. :P Rallia Hapera sold the "Hole Key" for a little less than 110 pp. Sorry if I didn't make that flowery enough for someone.
You cannot use lockpicks and rogue shroud as of today, 2-10-09. It gives a message that: You can't use pick lock on that. So you need to buy the key.
For the key activation you operate the elevator to get you into Paineel, you don't use the Pick Lock button, since you can't target it. You put lockpicks on your cursor and click or U.
Confirmed this works to get into regular Paineel and reach the vendor that sells Hole Key.
Confirmed this works to get into regular Paineel and reach the vendor that sells Hole Key.
EQnoob forevuh!
So, has anyone found a Changeling in here yet? I know Changelings pop randomly through out the Hot Zones, but was wondering if anyone might have an idea of the more common locations for spawn here.
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Fri's of Antonius
Freedom has many names, and many faces.
I have seen one, among the warrior mobs near the zone in. Killed Constructs for many hours and none of those were ever changleings.
Several times in the castle, just past the massive constructs.
34 posts
What are the stats on the aug?
+2 vsMg +2 vsFire +2 vsCold +2 vsPsn +2 vsDis +25 HP
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Dropped from a Lost Soul.
Cracked Leather Belt (common)
slot: waist
AC 12 , Dex +7 Cha +7 Agi +7 HP +35 Mana +25 End +25
sv cold,magic,poison +5
haste 18%
recommended lvl of 40 required lvl of 35.
class: war pal rng shd mnk brd rog bst ber
race: all
Mud Covered Leather Leggings (rare)
slot: legs
AC 12
focus effect: spell haste 3
Dex +7 Cha +7 Agi +7 hp +30 Mana +30 End +30
sv cold, magic, poison +5
Class: dru mnk bst
Race: hum bar elf hef trl ogr hfl iks vah drk
Cracked Leather Belt (common)
slot: waist
AC 12 , Dex +7 Cha +7 Agi +7 HP +35 Mana +25 End +25
sv cold,magic,poison +5
haste 18%
recommended lvl of 40 required lvl of 35.
class: war pal rng shd mnk brd rog bst ber
race: all
Mud Covered Leather Leggings (rare)
slot: legs
AC 12
focus effect: spell haste 3
Dex +7 Cha +7 Agi +7 hp +30 Mana +30 End +30
sv cold, magic, poison +5
Class: dru mnk bst
Race: hum bar elf hef trl ogr hfl iks vah drk
15 posts
as of 12/5/06 this is new hz for 40-45.Which is kind of confusing from what i have seen in the couple times i have ventured in that accursed place mobs are low 50ish,also the golems tend to have alot of hp which will be tough kills for xp!
At level 46, the earth elementals, and the golems right after the droppoff, are all light blue. I would suspect that they are fantastic exp at level 40, as I got a level in under 30 minutes with LOTD running, solo on my 46 mage alt.
Most hot zones give extra hp when u are above the levels, like 40-45 u can be 50 and it will be hot zone exp. And remeber EverQuest is intended to be a grouping game, not solo. a full group of 30's can take on mobs in the entrance of the hole. And i am very happy that this zone is a hot, it had good exp better, should be great now!
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Tunare:
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Another Hole entrance trick!!!!
Lvl 60 bardsong DA before drop off cliff, will fall, zone into hole, fall more, land right at Guradian of the Seal Voila!
Lvl 60 bardsong DA before drop off cliff, will fall, zone into hole, fall more, land right at Guradian of the Seal Voila!
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just to give some light, i am a 55 ranger, decided to exp in Hole so did the quest, with teh help of YALP, to take you from KOS to Amible is 1,600 kill in the warrens, yes it will make your eyes bleed
ok basicly from what i can see. the way in is a hole at the top right of the door.
The way out is through a crack in the bottom middle of the door, hope this helps all you duck and wigglers =)
The way out is through a crack in the bottom middle of the door, hope this helps all you duck and wigglers =)
25 posts
Can a 53 Shadow Knight with ok gear solo in The Hole if so what part of the zone and if not then what would be a good zone for me to solo in?
Thanks in Advance!!!
Thanks in Advance!!!
10 posts
A merchant that sells the Hole Key is Rallia Hapera in "Superior Supplies", location +940,+760. Needed amiable Heretic faction to get into Paineel and purchase the key.
Scholar
24 posts
Me and my buddies were in the Hole, killing those huge a** stone thingie dudes...when a invis element came and killed our mage. yea it was weird. its a bug but it pissed us off..has that happend to anyone else?
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Hi i was just curious im a lvl 66 mage currently, i always love playing around in the hole even now that the zone is revamped , i was wondering does anyone know if the scared key that is droped able to unlock all or any of the locked doors in the hole?
where to get the key to the inner city of paineel (NOT the holekey)? name, loc of the vendor... thanks
6 posts
to get the key you need to talk to one of the skeleton guards by saying "i need key." if you have good faction with Heretics they'll give you the key. if not then the easiest way to raise faction is to kill kobolds in Warrens. it took me about 1 hour to raise faction from KOS to dubious. after reaching dubious i just used a erudite illusion (i was a human) and went from dubious to amiable.
How do we get the key?
Why am I getting pop ups? have premium.
Scholar
47 posts
Would a barbarian warrior with a dark elf/troll/ogre potion be able to purchase the key in Paineel? Has anyone tried illusion potions? Also, can somebody give us a /loc on the merchant who sells the Hole key?
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Billbert 72 Dwarf Cleric
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Barbarian Warrior
70th Season
Zirconia 75 Gnome Magician
Skirsiss 70 Iksar Necro
Billbert 72 Dwarf Cleric
Parvo 67 Dark Elf Enchanter
Cloudshadow 67 Drakkin Wizard
Monjara 63 Vah Shir Bard
Aaaplus 63 Human Necromancer
Janetica 68 Barbarian Shaman
Sunshade 56 Vahshir Beastlord
Whiteshade 50 High Elf Wizard
& many others...
The key is purchased in Paineel, I believe. However, if you know where to click on the entrance (it helps to be a small class, too, although my Half Elf was able to do it) you can enter through it without the key. Not hard once someone shows you.
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Could you please tell little where to click without the key?
does everyone in the group have to own a key?
The person holding the key, can open the door/rock. The rest just swim through the now open passageway.
Anexa
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I had no prob getting in the "Door" with out a key the other day. I just turned into a wolf and did the duck and wiggle thing and sliped right in no prob. But, on the way out zoneing drops wolf form and couldn't get my big butt through the crack in human form to save my life.....literaly. yup ranger gate back to POK. Twice. So if you can do it some how better than me, my hat's off to ya.
RUN IF YOU LIKE, I LIKE SHOOTING AT A MOVING TARGET
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Once you zone out just pull up wolf again:)
You can get in by having a chanter make you a gnome as well, and on the way back.. Of course you need to turn into a gnome, or shrink after you zone.. again. You can cast underwater.
Anexa
Member of Shadows of Adan
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I am able to get in with my bard by using lockpick. Its very easy, same as getting into painell itself.
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Hi I just wanted to say on this topic if you are shaman cast shrink twice on yourself..and endurin breath of course ;) and head to the top right of the rock formation you will slip right into the cave ;)
Now for those of you that are not shaman (And we all know not everyones Perfect) HEHE j/K :)..look for shrinkin device and have an endurin breath on and BAM!!! same works for you :)
I hope that helped ;)
"Lord" Gukn "RanaDeus"
57th Shaman
Mitthaniel Marr
"Destiny Is not a matter of chance...But of choice"
Now for those of you that are not shaman (And we all know not everyones Perfect) HEHE j/K :)..look for shrinkin device and have an endurin breath on and BAM!!! same works for you :)
I hope that helped ;)
"Lord" Gukn "RanaDeus"
57th Shaman
Mitthaniel Marr
"Destiny Is not a matter of chance...But of choice"
You don't really need EB to get in. It's not that long of a swim.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
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I know this is probably goint to start a big ruckus but this is my plan as a 56 Ranger to get into the Hole. I have a shiny brass idol and some gate potions so I know I can get in with the idol and get out with the potions. My question to the masses that have been there before me is can I solo the drop zone at my level? I mean with a 25% bonus on exp, plus going through the "Hell" levels makes a lone Ranger do dumb things. Is it worth it or is it a nother Ranger gate back to pok trip for me if I try?
RUN IF YOU LIKE, I LIKE SHOOTING AT A MOVING TARGET
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I know its been a while since this person posted, but I thought I would add a reply anyways.. If you did drop into the hole at that level you would most likely not be able to solo down there, the mobs hit for close to 200 and alot of them summon and are extremely magic resistant.. if you were a healer class you might be able to keep up but rangers take the hits too hard even with good gear, no way a 56 could solo at the bottom as a ranger (top part yes)
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Quote:
I know this is probably goint to start a big ruckus but
one reply in 7 months since you posted.....i wouldnt exactly consider that a ruckus
You should be able to solo the In zone mobs easily enough. Be careful of adds, and try to just get one at a time. At least till you get comfortable. You might find that you can get in a bit further than you think. If you take the left ridge, instead of going straight through the buildings, you will find a nice little camp spot with easy to pull single's, as long as you can gate out, you should be fine. The reason I say gate out, is after you find yourself where I am talking about, going back that way is not gonna happen. You have to go up the building a few levels to get back to where you started. THere are alot of mobs inside the building, and you not getting adds inside will probably not happen.
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Just my quick 2 cp to add. Its no Drop btw.
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We shall neither help, nor harm, nor hinder these, ..... We shall wait, and see. .....
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HI, could a lvl 62 shaman 55 SK and a 53 Mage make it to High Scale guy? or do i need a raid if so what would be a good number of people and what lvl should they be. i heard that a one grp a 55 coudl do it
Scholar
37 posts
My enchanter can get there solo and charm kill him.
I learned this when I had to do my epic and couldnt get any help. I just illusion earth elemental and alliance the mobs so they dont attack me. Then run to the mob and find a suitable mob to mezz/tash/charm then buff. when the mezz wears off you have a good pet ready to kill.
Getup your AE stuns memmed and send in the pet and then follow that up with tash and slow on the target epic mob and then chain ae stun him to save your pet some life. And the additional bonus of stunning is that if your pet breaks charm he gets stunned then you just mezz both mobs and recharm your pet. I say remezz first because charm is a long cast spell and your stun will wear off and you will get interupted by 2 pissed mobs. And normally by the time charm wears of the mob is dead so you should be ok, Most mobs in the zone if hasted and buffed have enough hit points to chew through the epic mobs in this zone fairly well.
I have also helped other people kill their epic mobs in this zone using this method. just make sure you wait a few minutes to find and kill any roamers near where you are fighting because AE stuns can pull the strangest trains sometimes.
I learned this when I had to do my epic and couldnt get any help. I just illusion earth elemental and alliance the mobs so they dont attack me. Then run to the mob and find a suitable mob to mezz/tash/charm then buff. when the mezz wears off you have a good pet ready to kill.
Getup your AE stuns memmed and send in the pet and then follow that up with tash and slow on the target epic mob and then chain ae stun him to save your pet some life. And the additional bonus of stunning is that if your pet breaks charm he gets stunned then you just mezz both mobs and recharm your pet. I say remezz first because charm is a long cast spell and your stun will wear off and you will get interupted by 2 pissed mobs. And normally by the time charm wears of the mob is dead so you should be ok, Most mobs in the zone if hasted and buffed have enough hit points to chew through the epic mobs in this zone fairly well.
I have also helped other people kill their epic mobs in this zone using this method. just make sure you wait a few minutes to find and kill any roamers near where you are fighting because AE stuns can pull the strangest trains sometimes.
Enchanter Palladia Mors Master at Bake,Beg,Brew,Fish,Fletch,Jewelcraft,Pottery,Smithing,Tailoring.
You could do it, but it will be by the skin of your teeth. Your better off having some CC (Crowd Control) class, or some more tanks or mellee's to Tank mezz adds. You will get adds, where your going. I know it's possible not to, but very unlikely.
Anexa
Member of Shadows of Adan
Member of Shadows of Adan
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I used to be able to squeeze into the hole entrance quite easily but I went back today (a few days after patch) and im not able to get in. I wonder if the collision changes affected this?
Anyone else have this problem?
Anyone else have this problem?
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Cerrie, Reaver
Stromm
Eniadar, Arch Convoker
Cerrie, Reaver
Stromm
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Wolf form, swim at top right gap (very top gap) then swim 90degress down and your in.
That is the correct way.
Anexa
Member of Shadows of Adan
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I came to slip in and illusion halfling didn't work... I got an Anzioks Minimizing Device, did 2 shrinks, and then swam at crack, then turn right 90', and then turn back to face into crack, and repeat until you wiggle through.
If your not going to do it right, why do it at all? Sygn, 100 Enchanter - Ne Cede Malice, Erollisi Marr
40 posts
Wolf form, swim at top right gap (very top gap) then swim 90degress down and your in.
2 posts
Fit in hole to the hole on 6/28/04 with a little squirming and ducking. Im a halfling.
4 posts
I noticed the same thing the other day. As a dwarf I had not previously had problems with it, but now I do
Ped on Saryrn server
16 posts
Can't you just levitate down into the hole safely? I have never tried it but I don't want to if its not possible. Anybody know?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Gribi Shlibby
6 posts
no you can not levitate down the hole.
Scholar
36 posts
No...you absolutely CANNOT levitate down.
Even with the spell on, you'll end up dead at the bottom of the pit with the only way back through the kindly devices of your friendly, neighborhood necro and a 175pp jade inlaid coffin.
Even with the spell on, you'll end up dead at the bottom of the pit with the only way back through the kindly devices of your friendly, neighborhood necro and a 175pp jade inlaid coffin.
Middling Druid
Co-Founder and Elder
Clan of the Wulf
Co-Founder and Elder
Clan of the Wulf
3 posts
Actually, if you are on a mount(Drog, Horse, or Roboboar) you will get hurt, but you WILL NOT die =). Tested it out the other day accidently.
Actually, a cleric can survive the fall if they cast devine arbitration before jumping. The cleric then rezzes the unfortunate street pizza.
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I really wanted to get into the hole so I did some research to raise my faction in Paineel. First I killed about 400 Kobolds in the Warrens (including names) and then I told the skeletal guard in Paineel that I had lost my key and he gave me another one to get into the inner city of Paineel. Then I walked to the key vendor and bought the key named "Hole Key". It cost me 102p. You must raise your faction to indif or you do not stand a chance.
Meatsheeld 56 Vah Shir Warrior
Meatsheeld 56 Vah Shir Warrior
29 posts
WHEN WAS SOME1 GOING TO SAY THAT YOU CAN JUST GET A ROGUE TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR YOU :-)
39 posts
LOL i guess we were all waiting for you to step up to the plate... congrats... you are now part of the information highway!!! LOL
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My husband and I have been camping the Hole for about 3 weeks off and on. We are after the Naturalist's arms but here is some info we have found out. Thaeorin is a 63 Paladin and I am a 59 Druid.... we box either a 53 Warrior or Cleric.
The named (Ancient Gargoyle/Construct and an Old Gargoyle/Construct) can have random pop spots and can appear anywhere in the dungeon. We have killed all of them in different locations every time we killed them. The NO DROP item that they drop is their rare item whereas the droppable one is their common.
Thaeorin pointed out that only the spirits and ratmen need be snared. The constructs and gargoyles do not run. All of the named and Gargoyles we have encountered do summon and are slowable. The Constructs do not appear to be mezzable. We had a 65 Enchantress we helped get out once and she could not mezz any of the constructs... even after tash and other debuffs.
Deep in there were still some dark blue cons to Thae. There is a nice xp bonus here also
The named (Ancient Gargoyle/Construct and an Old Gargoyle/Construct) can have random pop spots and can appear anywhere in the dungeon. We have killed all of them in different locations every time we killed them. The NO DROP item that they drop is their rare item whereas the droppable one is their common.
Thaeorin pointed out that only the spirits and ratmen need be snared. The constructs and gargoyles do not run. All of the named and Gargoyles we have encountered do summon and are slowable. The Constructs do not appear to be mezzable. We had a 65 Enchantress we helped get out once and she could not mezz any of the constructs... even after tash and other debuffs.
Deep in there were still some dark blue cons to Thae. There is a nice xp bonus here also
Aryie Burningheart
Agnostic Rogue (Veeshan)
Obeareaun Burningheart
Warrior of Rallos Zek (Veeshan)
Agnostic Rogue (Veeshan)
Obeareaun Burningheart
Warrior of Rallos Zek (Veeshan)
8 posts
Is it possible to solo in here as a Druid? i was just looking around, curious about it, no biggy to me if i cant, but if i could....possible exp, ya know, heh, thanx in advance for any info..
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Well, it appears that you can not buy the key anymore in Paineel. I was just in the vendor which Allakhzam says sells the key and its not there. Can anyone else confirm this?
I bought mine today. Only 106pp with a 150 charisma. The key looks like a bag, I missed it the first two times I looked.
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I just bought one a week or so ago... From the general supplies merchant between the bank and the bar, building with the herb merchant on top floor. The merchant I got it from was the one to left as you enter. Cost was about 128pp. It's possible it's an item that she can run out of, until her inventory is refreshed.... perhaps checking after a server reset would help, or maybe even try killing her to see if when she respawns, she has fresh inventory... /shrug
Henor Wolfmoon,
Saryrn
Saryrn
8 posts
Tried going down to Jaeil with cleric and 65 chanter and it went really bad. Cleric follows Brell so plan was to drag down to Jaeil but the ratmen made that a bit more difficult than planned. Finally get down to Jaeil and low and behold there are 2 Constructs that wander that whole area making it near impossible to take Jaeil alone. The best part is that the Enchanter said that the constructs were completely magic resistant. Even though he was tashing nothing would land. He said the constructs use to be charmable but they must have changed it. Also the ratmen and constructs hit for high 100's making short order of Enchanter and Ranger. Well needless to say it looks like corpse summoning is in order.
Be forwarned: Looks like it is back to a raid needed to get swiftwind.
Be forwarned: Looks like it is back to a raid needed to get swiftwind.
Kluan 73th season Ranger
Taknuff 60th season Rogue
Amastle 70th season Cleric
Taknuff 60th season Rogue
Amastle 70th season Cleric
killed to and dropped swiftwind mob with a group of 5 np...easy fight
Peter Corbin the Elusive (retired)
65 shaman The Nameless/Stormhammer/Druzzil Ro EQ
250 tailor and 200 in 8 other tradeskills
Petercorbin Jeawafoe
SWG loner on Valcyn
65 shaman The Nameless/Stormhammer/Druzzil Ro EQ
250 tailor and 200 in 8 other tradeskills
Petercorbin Jeawafoe
SWG loner on Valcyn
3 posts
Try taking a shaman with you next time. The constructs are slowable with the disease line slow spells. The slows are mitigated, though, so it wont help all too much. Disease and cold spells were the only weaknesses I found.
The mobs at the bottom of the hole have been replaced completely. In Yael's spot is a red-to-60 Guardian of the Seal. He has two gargoyle bodyguards called An Animated Construct, white and yellow-con to 60. Nortlav the Scalekeep is dead, but his ghost hangs around near the pool and he's now named Echo of Nortlav. There were also a handful of bodies on the ground labelled "a fallen adventurer" but untargettable.
One interesting thing was that all of these mobs are indifferent to my 60 Wood Elf Bard, and to an evil Erudite Cleric mule. I created that mule and bought him a DA spell. He cast it, jumped into the Hole from Paineel, and landed safely at the bottom. None of the mobs cared about him being there. He hailed Echo of Nortlav and got this response:
He also hailed the guardian who did not respond. On the other hand, he tries the door to see if it was still locked. It was, and the Guardian reacted to the attempt:
And then he proceeded to hit my little mule for 950 points in one shot, which cut short his little trip. :)
I've posted pictures from this little expedition on the Tragic Heroes guild gallery
One interesting thing was that all of these mobs are indifferent to my 60 Wood Elf Bard, and to an evil Erudite Cleric mule. I created that mule and bought him a DA spell. He cast it, jumped into the Hole from Paineel, and landed safely at the bottom. None of the mobs cared about him being there. He hailed Echo of Nortlav and got this response:
Quote:
Echo of Nortlav looks at ClericMule01 with spectral eyes. An aura of mystery surrounds the figure as if hiding secrets of a bloody past.
He also hailed the guardian who did not respond. On the other hand, he tries the door to see if it was still locked. It was, and the Guardian reacted to the attempt:
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Guardian of the Seal shouts 'Those who tamper with the seal shall suffer the same fate as that fool Yael!'
And then he proceeded to hit my little mule for 950 points in one shot, which cut short his little trip. :)
I've posted pictures from this little expedition on the Tragic Heroes guild gallery
Greenman (NE Druid) et al
Tragic Heroes, Lothar
Tragic Heroes, Lothar
When you zone in, it now says "entering lost ruins of Paineel". As someone has already posted the horseshoe area is now full of very large golems called "Massive Constructs". Be very careful when trying to solo these, they are highly resistant to slow. My 53 shaman had slow bounce even after landing malo. And if you do land slow you get a message that goes something like "your spell was partially successful" meaning they are not fully slowed. They don't hit particularly hard (about like an elemental) but being only partially slowed they don't make for good soloing. I killed 4 or 5 of them and got nothing but a few gold to a few plat each. Another change is there is an extra mob in the entrance. He wanders a bit around the area of the last 2 spawn before the stairs. He didn't aggro when I pulled the static spawns and should add some more XP to someone doing that camp. Thats all I've seen so far, I had to gate out when I got a construct add. Look forward to seeing some more of the new content, this is one of my favorite zones.
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Actually its Ruins of Old Paineel.
Edited, Sun Sep 7 16:09:14 2003
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Actually its Ruins of Old Paineel.
Edited, Sun Sep 7 16:09:14 2003
Scholar
38 posts
On August 26 the hole has been redone, there are new mobs, and new quests. The rats are gone and replaced by golems, and the golems near half pipe are huge now.
Also I found a new mob, he is near the second pool in, he is a gnome... here is the text when I hailed.
You say, 'Hail Pellillo Cogswin"
Pellillo Cogswin says 'What how did you see me? Never mind I guess it doesn't matter at this point. Our [goal] has become unattainable.'
You say, 'what goal?'
Pellillo Cogswin says 'When my younger brother heard that something had happened here in these ruins he went looking for fortune and glory with a [party] made up of old friends.'
You say, 'what party?'
Pellillo Cogswin says 'As far as I know they are all treasure seekers and explorers like him, but his fate has become less of a priority to me as my attentoin has been placed on my [brothers] that accompanied me here.'
You say, 'what brothers?;
Pellillo Cogswin says 'Well to make a long story short my other brothers and I tracked the party here, but when we found that disenchanted earth elemntal we all stopped to investigate. What we found was quite extraordinary. A peice of [paper] that looked like it had been ripped from a joirnal was clenched in the hand of this elemntal.'
You say, 'what paper?'
Pellillo Cogswin says 'The paper detailed an ancient magic spell that we believe is responsibel for the constructs that recently inhabited these ruins. Now gnomes being gnomes we all begin to wonder if we could decipher the ancient text the spell was written in and use the spell for the greater good of our kind. But then I begin to have a [doubt].'
You say, 'what doubt?'
Pellillo Cogswin says 'Well after thinking about it a little I realized that there must be a reason why this magic had not been found. Many have passed through these ruins and this had never been discovered by anyone. It must have been hidden for a reason and such I told my brothers that we should leave it here as it could bring more bad then good. Thats when something [happened] I was not prepared for.'
You say 'what happened?'
Pelllillo Cogswin says 'One of them, Stiggles, turned to me and told me to shut my trap. The other, Tani turned to him and demanded that he give him the paper. They begin to argue back and forth and then a small scuffle broke out betweeen the two. I tried to break it up, but before I could I heard the paper rip in two. Standing across from each other with a torn piece of paper in their hands they looked at me and gated home leaving me here in danger and very [worried].'
You say 'worried?'
Pellillo Cogswin Says 'this power cannot be given to my kin. It is dangerous and I must figure out how to get those pieces back. . . Hey you seem pretty interested in this to have listened so long. You think you could do me a [favor]?
You say , 'what favor?'
Pellillo Cogswin says 'Find my brothers and when you do give them each a not I have written for them. HOpefully it will help them understand why the information contained on the peice of paper must be kept here. they should give you the pieve they have and then I will need you to bring them back here to me so I can fix this mess.'
After that he gives you 2 notes but he disapears. I will post more info on the re-done hole soon. =)
Also I found a new mob, he is near the second pool in, he is a gnome... here is the text when I hailed.
You say, 'Hail Pellillo Cogswin"
Pellillo Cogswin says 'What how did you see me? Never mind I guess it doesn't matter at this point. Our [goal] has become unattainable.'
You say, 'what goal?'
Pellillo Cogswin says 'When my younger brother heard that something had happened here in these ruins he went looking for fortune and glory with a [party] made up of old friends.'
You say, 'what party?'
Pellillo Cogswin says 'As far as I know they are all treasure seekers and explorers like him, but his fate has become less of a priority to me as my attentoin has been placed on my [brothers] that accompanied me here.'
You say, 'what brothers?;
Pellillo Cogswin says 'Well to make a long story short my other brothers and I tracked the party here, but when we found that disenchanted earth elemntal we all stopped to investigate. What we found was quite extraordinary. A peice of [paper] that looked like it had been ripped from a joirnal was clenched in the hand of this elemntal.'
You say, 'what paper?'
Pellillo Cogswin says 'The paper detailed an ancient magic spell that we believe is responsibel for the constructs that recently inhabited these ruins. Now gnomes being gnomes we all begin to wonder if we could decipher the ancient text the spell was written in and use the spell for the greater good of our kind. But then I begin to have a [doubt].'
You say, 'what doubt?'
Pellillo Cogswin says 'Well after thinking about it a little I realized that there must be a reason why this magic had not been found. Many have passed through these ruins and this had never been discovered by anyone. It must have been hidden for a reason and such I told my brothers that we should leave it here as it could bring more bad then good. Thats when something [happened] I was not prepared for.'
You say 'what happened?'
Pelllillo Cogswin says 'One of them, Stiggles, turned to me and told me to shut my trap. The other, Tani turned to him and demanded that he give him the paper. They begin to argue back and forth and then a small scuffle broke out betweeen the two. I tried to break it up, but before I could I heard the paper rip in two. Standing across from each other with a torn piece of paper in their hands they looked at me and gated home leaving me here in danger and very [worried].'
You say 'worried?'
Pellillo Cogswin Says 'this power cannot be given to my kin. It is dangerous and I must figure out how to get those pieces back. . . Hey you seem pretty interested in this to have listened so long. You think you could do me a [favor]?
You say , 'what favor?'
Pellillo Cogswin says 'Find my brothers and when you do give them each a not I have written for them. HOpefully it will help them understand why the information contained on the peice of paper must be kept here. they should give you the pieve they have and then I will need you to bring them back here to me so I can fix this mess.'
After that he gives you 2 notes but he disapears. I will post more info on the re-done hole soon. =)
DIE YOU MOTHERLESS GNOLL!
-Mathaneil Marr Server
-64 Beastlord
-Guild Leader of Berserkers Fury
-Mathaneil Marr Server
-64 Beastlord
-Guild Leader of Berserkers Fury
4 posts
Ok how the heck do you open this stupid thing? the plane of underfoot? some one drop a key?
Edited, Thu Jul 10 20:32:55 2003
Edited, Thu Jul 10 20:32:55 2003
Proud player of tallon zek
8 posts
How would the exp be for a level 48 monk? Id like to go to the hole for the exp bonus around 48 (currently 44) if its reasonable to do with a small group.
I know you dont need the key but where do you get it?
You can buy it in Paineel, assuming you are not KOS there. It costs about 100pp.
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Lost Fires
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Dargadin, Barbarian Shaman of the 61st Season
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Lost Fires
Ayonae Ro Server
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Going In
Stand on the border of the pool facing north east, looking at two trees.
You should see 3 large rocks aligned vertically. The top one lay partly outside of the pool, the middle one is more horizontal, and the bottom one underwater is kinda square and that is a DOOR to the Hole. You need a key to move that rock.
Now there are TWO cracks between those 3 rocks, you want to go through the crack between the TOP two rocks, and the side of the pool.
Go near the crack, then duck, then move as close as possible. Duck off. You should see partly through the large top rock. Now this is the trick : push sideways and a little forward and you will be crossing through the top rock.
Going Out
When coming from the underwater, head left and up and enter Duck mode to get as close as possible to the crack. Now hit Duck off, and you will be standing partly through the rock. Just push forward and you should be through.
Maha
Stand on the border of the pool facing north east, looking at two trees.
You should see 3 large rocks aligned vertically. The top one lay partly outside of the pool, the middle one is more horizontal, and the bottom one underwater is kinda square and that is a DOOR to the Hole. You need a key to move that rock.
Now there are TWO cracks between those 3 rocks, you want to go through the crack between the TOP two rocks, and the side of the pool.
Go near the crack, then duck, then move as close as possible. Duck off. You should see partly through the large top rock. Now this is the trick : push sideways and a little forward and you will be crossing through the top rock.
Going Out
When coming from the underwater, head left and up and enter Duck mode to get as close as possible to the crack. Now hit Duck off, and you will be standing partly through the rock. Just push forward and you should be through.
Maha
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