Troubadour's Mace
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Planes of Power
Damage bonus is 13 not 23.
until you get your blue floaty notes, use this mace when you're grouped. the brass mod will increase your group haste songs like Mcvaxius line of songs, meaning a higher strength buff and a better damage shield. you can also use it if you're going to farm greens, although a horn would be better. i used this mace for many many levels before giving it away to a bard friend when i finally got epiced. don't pass it up!
Scholar
43 posts
"this item has the same modifier as the bard epic"
-While technically this is true the reality is that most non instruments that are instruments have "the same modifier as the epic" which is also sometimes referred to as 1.8 mod. This mod is less than a store bought instrument which has a 2.0 mod and also less than most drop brass items that are 2.1 or even a combine horn from katta vendor which is 2.2.
"my fear works better with this"
-no it doesn't, instruments of any kind do not in and of themselves increase the chance to land or duration of any songs; this includes a flute for charming a horn for fearing or whatever else you can dream up.
"...so the haste with this mod would be..."
-the same as it was before, instrument modifiers do NOT modify the haste percent of any bard song.
"so I stand next to my friend to get brass skill"
-you do not need to be standing next to anyone or have the animation of an AE damage song to get that instrument skill and it is possible to get brass skill while all alone with your horn (or t mace) playing a brass song. This is also preferred because all you annoying bards playing AE fear in the bazaar make those of us who test this stuff out ourselves and know better look bad.
"...and my attacks stopped"
-the haste cap songs add to the max of other haste items/songs/spells so if you have no other haste then it stops your attacks (the math gets a multiply by zero and comes out with a zero weapon delay which instead of becoming ultimate fast becomes never swing.) For this reason it is recommended that your group melees all have a haste item or SPELL on them first. The reason I say spell over song haste is that lag, bash, missed notes, etc will cause times where battlecry is up but not your other haste song and this means LOWER group melee damage output.
This weapon will work as a brass instrument in either melee slot.
Strangly enough an SK only MoSS goes for 100, a Pally only MoFC goes for 200-500 and this can go up to 6k.
Is it worth 6k? maybe, probably not but then again there are too many bard twinks out there and you guys still pay 400 for MM drums when ToRs go for 50p.
Useful for Battlecry songs mainly. Also useful for brass skill because you will get brass skill "in the field" as opposed to having to afk with an instrument and song up. Some claim the DDD damage with this is worth it but in reality the recommended level on this means that it won't have a good enough ratio to make it an acceptable weapon until you can sing a chant for more damage than DDD will do with a 1.8 mod.
I still keep my combine horn around and when AEing greens for tradeskills/faction/whatever I can easily do more AE damage using combine horn/lute and punching than I could with a troub mace.
In summary, nice weapon although its not as good as everyone trying to sell one would lead you to belive; Wait for a good deal or higher level because it won't help you with fear and it won't turn DDD into an uber damage song although it is handy at 48+ for battlecry songs.
-edit fixed spelling errors and mentioned brass skillup
Edited, Wed Jul 16 17:26:32 2003
-While technically this is true the reality is that most non instruments that are instruments have "the same modifier as the epic" which is also sometimes referred to as 1.8 mod. This mod is less than a store bought instrument which has a 2.0 mod and also less than most drop brass items that are 2.1 or even a combine horn from katta vendor which is 2.2.
"my fear works better with this"
-no it doesn't, instruments of any kind do not in and of themselves increase the chance to land or duration of any songs; this includes a flute for charming a horn for fearing or whatever else you can dream up.
"...so the haste with this mod would be..."
-the same as it was before, instrument modifiers do NOT modify the haste percent of any bard song.
"so I stand next to my friend to get brass skill"
-you do not need to be standing next to anyone or have the animation of an AE damage song to get that instrument skill and it is possible to get brass skill while all alone with your horn (or t mace) playing a brass song. This is also preferred because all you annoying bards playing AE fear in the bazaar make those of us who test this stuff out ourselves and know better look bad.
"...and my attacks stopped"
-the haste cap songs add to the max of other haste items/songs/spells so if you have no other haste then it stops your attacks (the math gets a multiply by zero and comes out with a zero weapon delay which instead of becoming ultimate fast becomes never swing.) For this reason it is recommended that your group melees all have a haste item or SPELL on them first. The reason I say spell over song haste is that lag, bash, missed notes, etc will cause times where battlecry is up but not your other haste song and this means LOWER group melee damage output.
This weapon will work as a brass instrument in either melee slot.
Strangly enough an SK only MoSS goes for 100, a Pally only MoFC goes for 200-500 and this can go up to 6k.
Is it worth 6k? maybe, probably not but then again there are too many bard twinks out there and you guys still pay 400 for MM drums when ToRs go for 50p.
Useful for Battlecry songs mainly. Also useful for brass skill because you will get brass skill "in the field" as opposed to having to afk with an instrument and song up. Some claim the DDD damage with this is worth it but in reality the recommended level on this means that it won't have a good enough ratio to make it an acceptable weapon until you can sing a chant for more damage than DDD will do with a 1.8 mod.
I still keep my combine horn around and when AEing greens for tradeskills/faction/whatever I can easily do more AE damage using combine horn/lute and punching than I could with a troub mace.
In summary, nice weapon although its not as good as everyone trying to sell one would lead you to belive; Wait for a good deal or higher level because it won't help you with fear and it won't turn DDD into an uber damage song although it is handy at 48+ for battlecry songs.
-edit fixed spelling errors and mentioned brass skillup
Edited, Wed Jul 16 17:26:32 2003
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Battlecry of the Vah Shir (52) and Warsong of the Vah Shir (60) are not affected by brass modifiers. The haste % of any spell, song or item, is fixed and cannot be modified in any way.
I assume you meant the Ervaj song line, which requires a brass intrument to be played.
I assume you meant the Ervaj song line, which requires a brass intrument to be played.
Confused here... What the crap did you just talk about?
I don't know what your talking about "Attack stopping from overhaste..." guess I've never had that experience...
Anyways the reason people who arn't stupid and just want whatever they see want this weapon because it can be used with another instrument type. Since you can't get 2 pure instruments out in your Primary/Secondary, and since most modifiers on Armors are Wind, this allows for a bard to get out Percussion/Stringed, Brass, and Wind easily, and although it wont be the best modifier, will allow them to operate much more effectively.
I don't know what your talking about "Attack stopping from overhaste..." guess I've never had that experience...
Anyways the reason people who arn't stupid and just want whatever they see want this weapon because it can be used with another instrument type. Since you can't get 2 pure instruments out in your Primary/Secondary, and since most modifiers on Armors are Wind, this allows for a bard to get out Percussion/Stringed, Brass, and Wind easily, and although it wont be the best modifier, will allow them to operate much more effectively.
2 posts
does It make a difference where you put the mace for the brass instrument to take affect. Cause from what I notice It only works in the primary slot.
Scholar
36 posts
This weapon is Pri. or Sec. using the level 50 song: Melody of Ervaj which requires a brass instrument to play the song. Was using this in Secondary just last night in Kael with Breath of Harmony in Primary slot, it's primary only (at least the one I have), playing Ervaj to kick up our groups's haste.
I also just ran a quick test using the lvl 42 song:McVaxius, I got an additional 15 STR (over the 7 the weapon adds via stats) with it in either PRI or SEC.
I also just ran a quick test using the lvl 42 song:McVaxius, I got an additional 15 STR (over the 7 the weapon adds via stats) with it in either PRI or SEC.
65th turning Druid of Tunare
65th song Bard of Tunare
Necro of 17 tappings
65th song Bard of Tunare
Necro of 17 tappings
13 posts
I got this in bazaar at lvl 38, only cost me 1.5K, ive seen it for much much higher. The bard that sold it to me had gotten two upgrades including battle drummers main-gauche. So he sold it to me cheap :)
My 1hb at the time of purchase was at skill lvl 1. But since then ive gotten it to 200. Very nice weapon
Edited, Mon Apr 7 19:39:10 2003
My 1hb at the time of purchase was at skill lvl 1. But since then ive gotten it to 200. Very nice weapon
Edited, Mon Apr 7 19:39:10 2003
got this in the bazaar for 1600pp last night. the guy must have been desperate to sell it. The only other one for sale was for 5500pp. My bard's 1hb skill was only 59 but believe you me, i'm working at getting it up. At lvl 49 it gives all the stats and the same ratio, just one less hp and one less mp.
Even with 1hb skill of roughly 60-80 last night, i was hitting in the mid 30s with it. I love it. And I keep forgetting that it works as a brass instrument, its awesome enough without that quality though.
Even with 1hb skill of roughly 60-80 last night, i was hitting in the mid 30s with it. I love it. And I keep forgetting that it works as a brass instrument, its awesome enough without that quality though.
13 posts
Last night i bought this for 1500pp :). Ive never seen it sell for this low. I think the reason it was so cheap is b-cuz he was quittin his bard. MY 1hb skill sucks but im working on it now with this, i love how its an brass insturment cuz b4 this all i had was a crappy horn.
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Posted: Jan 08 2003 at 11:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Trading Good for this on the Eci server Send a tell to Dogzella
When I hear "This item is found on creatures" Im thinking the Rats that run around in the Hallway. Any more specific info out there?
13 posts
It drops from named mobs in the Trials
Modifier to brass songs is 1.8, just like epic. 53 Bard singing Berserker (lev 42), STR buff is 32 compared to 18 for no instrument. Basic store Horn gives 36 or 2.0 modifier.
5 posts
I picked this up for 1900 in the bazaar in Tholuxe Paells last night. I used it to fear kite dark blue con giants in BW and wasn't resisted once. I was only twisting snare and fear and was getting a proc sound and visual once every 10 hits or so. I have no idea what it was and there didn't seem to be any battle spam to indicate an effect? Baffling. I was also using a symphonic saber, but I am 49 so it hasn't proc'ed for me since I bought it at level 32. Any ideas?
Twistre
49 bard kat
Survivors of the Minion
Tholuxe Paells
Twistre
49 bard kat
Survivors of the Minion
Tholuxe Paells
35 posts
I've noticed that our AE fear song (Apalling Screech) now has the fear tunes played when you begin singing the song (same sound as what necro's hear when they cast fear). My guess is that is what it was.
13 posts
Symphonic saber doesn't proc till level 50 or 51
Ignore this post.
Edited, Fri Nov 15 06:40:18 2002
Edited, Fri Nov 15 06:40:18 2002
While testing this thing with Melody of Ervaj, I found that I could NOT strike my target at all while I had the MoE buff on. Once the buff fades I begin striking my target again. Anyone else experiencing this? Let it be known that I have only used the weapon against sub-level 50 NPC's thus far. Any information would be useful!
9 posts
I think people get confused with the Battlecry/Warcry of the Vah Shir line of songs. People say they "stack" with everything, but it's not actually haste. The songs increase the haste cap.
I.e: Haste cap pre 50 is 50%. Say someone has SCHW (22% haste) and Celerity (50% haste) they stack to 77% haste. The cap, however, doesn't let them exceed 50% haste. Now say there is a bard in the group playing Battlecry of the Vah Shir; the song is estimated to increase the haste cap by about 15-25%. Now the person with 77% haste can actually use 65-75% (the new haste cap) of it.
Hope this didn't get too confusing. If you learn anything from this, I hope you learn that the Battlecry/Warcry of the Vah Shir songs don't "add" haste, they "increase the haste cap."
Edit: This is in response to a reply someone made below me.
Edited, Sun Apr 27 13:01:14 2003
I.e: Haste cap pre 50 is 50%. Say someone has SCHW (22% haste) and Celerity (50% haste) they stack to 77% haste. The cap, however, doesn't let them exceed 50% haste. Now say there is a bard in the group playing Battlecry of the Vah Shir; the song is estimated to increase the haste cap by about 15-25%. Now the person with 77% haste can actually use 65-75% (the new haste cap) of it.
Hope this didn't get too confusing. If you learn anything from this, I hope you learn that the Battlecry/Warcry of the Vah Shir songs don't "add" haste, they "increase the haste cap."
Edit: This is in response to a reply someone made below me.
Edited, Sun Apr 27 13:01:14 2003
35 posts
I'm wondering if Sony ever really fixed that issue with these songs actually slowing you down without another haste / song spell effect. This used to happen months ago, but thought they fixed it.
9 posts
seeing how no one else has posted to answer....
i have had similar effects as u mention using battle cry of the vah shir, i cant say why it happens but while using a song that will raise u above the haste cap (battle song of vah shir, melody and lost composition of ervaj) it seems u also need to have a haste effect on (item spell or song seems to work) or u will hit very slow or not at all.
keep in mind this might not be what is happening but it has happened to me
56 bard of fennin ro
i have had similar effects as u mention using battle cry of the vah shir, i cant say why it happens but while using a song that will raise u above the haste cap (battle song of vah shir, melody and lost composition of ervaj) it seems u also need to have a haste effect on (item spell or song seems to work) or u will hit very slow or not at all.
keep in mind this might not be what is happening but it has happened to me
56 bard of fennin ro
45 posts
I am pretty sure that this IS the case, u have to have at least one haste effect on, be it item, focus or spell.
But really it is only 15% haste so it would not make sense to play it unless u have haste item and high lvl shm/enc haste anyways
But really it is only 15% haste so it would not make sense to play it unless u have haste item and high lvl shm/enc haste anyways
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Posted: Oct 29 2002 at 11:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) A new bard only weapon that doesn't proc 900+ direct damage??
Sounds like a case of horn envy. I see alot of people complain about "Bards get the best of everything" blah blah blah. No they don't, it all balances out in some way. Anyway, I use this weapon in my offhand, with a Sionachie's partisan in the other hand. Very nice weapon, and the stats are nice too.
3 posts
I borrowed one of these from a friend to test the percent to brass song. I used the lvl 57 song Mcvaxius' Rousing Rondo to do the test. Without the mace this songs gives an eight point DS, with the mace it gives a 9 point DS. The str and atk went up only a couple points as well ( not counting the stats on the mace to str =P ). My guess would be approximately a 3% if not less bonus to brass. I would love to have one though, they look extremely cool and do nice damage ( not to mention the stats ). Would I pay 12.5k for one? Not a chance hehe, but then again I`m a very poor bard who likes to get things for himself whenever possible. Guess I`ll be hanging at the exe. trials for a while in PoJ =D
Despurado
58 Vah Shir Troubador
Ordo Seclorum
Quellious Server
Edited, Tue Oct 29 13:49:19 2002
Despurado
58 Vah Shir Troubador
Ordo Seclorum
Quellious Server
Edited, Tue Oct 29 13:49:19 2002
35 posts
Picked one of these up a few nights ago for 1k =) . Thought it was a good price. In anycase, I really think that items give different percentages by song and not just by the skill (i.e. someone reported our 42 MBC song up'd song str affect by 1.8 times normal and here was reported that our level 58 MRR song str went only a few points up and dmg shield went from 8 to 9) . Think we need someone to takeover eqdiva and get it back up and running to do these test.
29 posts
i think it's 10% boost.. i got mine for 7k
my str unbufffed is 180 with rondo.. it went to 190 and yes 9 dmg shield. with normal horn it went to 213 str
Edited, Wed Oct 30 00:09:04 2002
my str unbufffed is 180 with rondo.. it went to 190 and yes 9 dmg shield. with normal horn it went to 213 str
Edited, Wed Oct 30 00:09:04 2002
I dont have epic and at lvl 60 with rondo i have a 14pt DS with this weapon.
5 posts
an 8 point damage shield?
Well I am level 60 and did this test over the weekend. I made sure I had no other buffs up (at all) when I did this. With Rondo up I got a 14pt damage shield, put up my bracer spikes and got a 23pt damage shield combined.
I have confirmed this multiple times over the weekend in different zones.
I wonder what the delta is here.
Well I am level 60 and did this test over the weekend. I made sure I had no other buffs up (at all) when I did this. With Rondo up I got a 14pt damage shield, put up my bracer spikes and got a 23pt damage shield combined.
I have confirmed this multiple times over the weekend in different zones.
I wonder what the delta is here.
6 posts
Rousing Rondo is a 8 point DS without any kind of Instrument. Your 14 pt. DS is with your Epic with acts like an instrument. Put Epic away and you got 8pt. again.
5 posts
I just noticed yours sig. Looks like you are level 58. I guess it's fair to say that the 5pt increase in spike damage is due to two levels. Is there anyone that is level 59 that could try and see what they get?
17 posts
/shrug.. I'm 59, and get a 14 point DS with this and rondo, 23 point when stacked with ss bracer.
I was getting the same 14 point DS at 58 too.
I was getting the same 14 point DS at 58 too.
24 posts
Saw one on sell on saryrn, 15k. Seems to be very fair to me. What I think makes this weapon so awesome is the fear kiting capabilities that this weapon presents fellow bards! Think about it, you can duel wield this and another weapon and still have the same bonus of having a brass instrument which would make the fearing much more reliable! WOW, with this at lvl 50 you could pl yourself in DL by fear kiting drovargs and the such (they still give exp at lvl 50 right) either way this would be an awesome weapon. And those bards that have this and the drums of the beast, just think about the possibilites with chant/fear kiting!
Ofcourse the stats on this weapon are nothing to scoff at either 13/21 is very nice plus the HP/Mana boost and the 2 svs! Great item, and props to Verant for another great item, keep up the good work! Thats my 2cp.
[ Edit: Got one of these yesterday, and indeed it is possible to use this on a character lower than the recommended lvl (it works on my lvl 43 bard) also, i still get the brass increase even though im not at the recommended lvl, just wanted to let you all know, and as for how much i got it, 9k and an SoS. And so far, it was well worth it!
PS This mace has an awesome graphic! check it out if you get a chance! ]
Dinian
Bard of the 43'rd Song
Legion of Vengeance
Edited, Wed Oct 30 08:28:47 2002
Ofcourse the stats on this weapon are nothing to scoff at either 13/21 is very nice plus the HP/Mana boost and the 2 svs! Great item, and props to Verant for another great item, keep up the good work! Thats my 2cp.
[ Edit: Got one of these yesterday, and indeed it is possible to use this on a character lower than the recommended lvl (it works on my lvl 43 bard) also, i still get the brass increase even though im not at the recommended lvl, just wanted to let you all know, and as for how much i got it, 9k and an SoS. And so far, it was well worth it!
PS This mace has an awesome graphic! check it out if you get a chance! ]
Dinian
Bard of the 43'rd Song
Legion of Vengeance
Edited, Wed Oct 30 08:28:47 2002
The beauty of this weapon is not so much the bonus as the ability to play songs that can only be played while wielding a brass instrument, like the Ervaj series and Denon's Dissension. Your group will thank you for being able to give them 80% haste without an enchanter at lvl 60.
Scholar
18 posts
OK Plugh, I will bite. How precisely does this weapon help a bard to haste her/his party. An instrument bonus does not in any way affect the haste or slow percentage on a song. As such, this instrument does nothing to make 80% haste possible.
However, that is not to say that a bard cannot haste a group to 80% or more at lvl60. For example the epic proc (55%) plus warsong of vah shir (25% stacking; ignores haste cap) would provide 80% haste. Adding composition of ervaj (10% stacking) would make this 90% but generally would not be worth it.
My apologies to non-bards for this post. I wouldn't ordinarily post something like this on an item but there is so much misinformation about I feel it only right to correct this idea.
(-: Zel :-)
However, that is not to say that a bard cannot haste a group to 80% or more at lvl60. For example the epic proc (55%) plus warsong of vah shir (25% stacking; ignores haste cap) would provide 80% haste. Adding composition of ervaj (10% stacking) would make this 90% but generally would not be worth it.
My apologies to non-bards for this post. I wouldn't ordinarily post something like this on an item but there is so much misinformation about I feel it only right to correct this idea.
(-: Zel :-)
5 posts
I ordinarily don't want to jump on people either, but the original poster's numbers add up.
Celerity (54): 45% haste
Ervaj (60): 10% haste
Warsong (60) 25% haste
= 80%
Reed's song analysis spreadsheet (at least, the version I have) doesn't indicate any stacking exclusion between the two Ervaj haste songs, so I'd personally call it 85% (since I'm usually twisting four).
The important distinction to make here is that this mace allows the bard to haste the party to 80% while still himself fighting. The Ervaj series (well, pair) has been one of the least used groups of songs because they require Brass and do not provide enough haste to justify dropping weapons and sitting in the casters' corner. This weapon is clearly designed to address that shortcoming for the bard who likes to melee and group haste.
Celerity (54): 45% haste
Ervaj (60): 10% haste
Warsong (60) 25% haste
= 80%
Reed's song analysis spreadsheet (at least, the version I have) doesn't indicate any stacking exclusion between the two Ervaj haste songs, so I'd personally call it 85% (since I'm usually twisting four).
The important distinction to make here is that this mace allows the bard to haste the party to 80% while still himself fighting. The Ervaj series (well, pair) has been one of the least used groups of songs because they require Brass and do not provide enough haste to justify dropping weapons and sitting in the casters' corner. This weapon is clearly designed to address that shortcoming for the bard who likes to melee and group haste.
I twist 4 as well, but #4 is Chorus of Replenishment. You're gonna need it at 80% haste.
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Posted: Oct 27 2002 at 10:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) know i can make a twinkie bard!!!!!!!! according to posts this is great for pre-epic so main cna cmap and transfer to bard then have a sweet wep till about 48
37 posts
Recommended level of 50... bye bye twink :)
This is good weapon to twink with, even with reduced capabilities from the rec. level. If you're 40 with this weapon, the damage & stat bonuses will be .8 (lvl 40/50) of normal. So still a good bonker. PLUS it's a horn, which is priceless to non-epic.
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Posted: Oct 27 2002 at 10:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) know i can make a twinkie bard!!!!!!!! according to posts this is great for pre-epic so main cna cmap and transfer to bard then have a sweet wep till about 48
Except the recommended level is 50 :P
2 posts
Its Recommended.... NOT Required!! you can use this weapon even if your under 50 but the stats are not as good as when your 50+.
18 posts
just to answer guys original question .....i just got one today and from the looks of it its the same percent as epic.......still a nice item though for pre epic bards
46 posts
This mace is sweet for pre-epic bards. Now they can AE dot with instrument bonus while attacking with both weapons! Talk about PL weapon for bards.
what is the % to song of this weap?
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Posted: Oct 26 2002 at 10:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This item was just discovered. Why don't you get one yourself and parse it?
4 posts
i agree, he did just ask a question, because he doesnt know the awnser, SO NO NEED TO POUND HIM OK,
Your Probably some Ebay going freak who thinks he knows everything about the game, and is a LEET person because you have 3 fungis on alts etc etc, and how could this person possibly ask a question!!!
Tell you what if you do, means your a FREAK with nothing else in your life!!!......*shrug*
i know your a LEET FREAK, so shoot someone when you find out you wasted SO much time for no apparent reason, :D
Vraji,
51st Paladin Xev, Azure Legion,
26th Shaman Xev, Azure Legion,
Your Probably some Ebay going freak who thinks he knows everything about the game, and is a LEET person because you have 3 fungis on alts etc etc, and how could this person possibly ask a question!!!
Tell you what if you do, means your a FREAK with nothing else in your life!!!......*shrug*
i know your a LEET FREAK, so shoot someone when you find out you wasted SO much time for no apparent reason, :D
Vraji,
51st Paladin Xev, Azure Legion,
26th Shaman Xev, Azure Legion,
#REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 26 2002 at 6:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) OPPP sorry, 2x posts hehe
Give the guy a break. He was just asking a question. A question that the original poster may have been able to answer. Really bothers me when players (or posters) think they need to hammer on someone everytime they ask something.
2 posts
This was dropped while doing the Execution quest in PoJ. Has two drop off of the rock creatures.
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