Shadows of LuclinFound this on a Vendor in Grobb about an hour after the "big" patch that allowed noobs to die and retain their gear.
Anyway, I have an untwinked Troll Beastlord, and found this on said Vendor in Grobb. Cost me under 2 gold. Nice for Untwink's...
Khaliz's Katar
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Wonderful idea. A monk weapon that drops off a level 24ish mob, that is worse ratio than monk fists at level 25. I picked up two for the coolness factor, but will only be using them for trainers, not damage output at all.
Ah, but this is Magic (for those who don't have magic gloves) and adds minor crappy stats... also... this is faster than your fist delay, so may help if you're trying to skill up H2H...
especially for those twinks out there with the dual fighting batons that never trained H2H...
so they're not that bad.... and GREAT cheap twink item I say...
especially for those twinks out there with the dual fighting batons that never trained H2H...
so they're not that bad.... and GREAT cheap twink item I say...
Pain Lord Darknyss Grimscale
92 Iksar Crusader of the Greenmist
92 Iksar Crusader of the Greenmist
7 posts
give this to a chanter pet. instead of 2 floating daggers, it's 2 floating katars:)
Hmm i gave this one away to a lvl 4 iksar monk in field of bone, shure hope it's not worth 400pp :)
Don't worry. It's not.
If you wait long enough in NL, the mobs that drops this will pop, normally within an hour. Since it is not lore, you can mess around in NL and leave with a couple. It's as easy as that. I have a Neterbian Chitin and a couple of the Katar's sitting in the bank.
As twisty and turny as the zone is, if you can invis yourself, you can just wander around the zone until you come across the Leader or the Mature, kill them, loot, and repeat. I'll occasionally zone in and find out if someone is hunting either chitin or katar, find the mob, and either pull out to the main hallway and kill if it is for Chitin, or Kill the Mature and give the Katar away.
If you gave the Katar away, thats good enough. After all, helping a lowbie out (especially if they are not begging) is a reward in and of itself. :)
If you wait long enough in NL, the mobs that drops this will pop, normally within an hour. Since it is not lore, you can mess around in NL and leave with a couple. It's as easy as that. I have a Neterbian Chitin and a couple of the Katar's sitting in the bank.
As twisty and turny as the zone is, if you can invis yourself, you can just wander around the zone until you come across the Leader or the Mature, kill them, loot, and repeat. I'll occasionally zone in and find out if someone is hunting either chitin or katar, find the mob, and either pull out to the main hallway and kill if it is for Chitin, or Kill the Mature and give the Katar away.
If you gave the Katar away, thats good enough. After all, helping a lowbie out (especially if they are not begging) is a reward in and of itself. :)
5 posts
Got this from Mature Fungoid at the tunnel entrance first time I killed him. The second time I killed the M.F. he dropped Spore Covered Cloak. I would like to sell this but I have no Idea what I should ask. The stats seem ok, but not great. But it does look better than the Knuckel Dusters they seem way out of porportion to body size. Oh yeah M.F. is blue to me at lvl 28.
Edited, Wed Jan 2 12:34:00 2002
Edited, Wed Jan 2 12:34:00 2002
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killed 4 of them in less than an hour, blue to me at 32
2 posts
I only found the Mature Fungoid once, and as it is a common drop, I obvously found one and put it one right away. I love it. The Mature Fungoid was green to me at 43.
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its a common drop of the Mature Fungoid , killd 5 got 5 katar´s. They are green to 60. Think around level 22-27
Also drops in dawnshroud peaks off of any of the various Sambata red guys there (named such things as Sambata Tribal Worker, Sambata Gatherer etc)
The convenient thing is that this and a companion weapon which is also hand to hand, the polished steel Ulak( 27 spd 9 dam, str 3, wis 3, hp plus 25, mana plus 25, save magic plus 3, weight 1.1, same races/classes Prim Second), are clearly seen to be in the hands of the Sambata's who have them. The sambatas are up to blue to a 55.
I got both of them in less than half an hour.
The ulak is the kind of Protractor shape like that thing you used in geometry and I think that is the look of either weapon when they are holding them. So it looks like some of this stuff drops here and there.
If I remember correctly, which I am pretty sure I do, a kater is a punching dagger, so I think it should be piercing. I can understand why its hand to hand (besides the obvious of it being monk/beastlord only), but I think piercing would be a more suitable skill. But thats just me, so, whatever...
Scholar
20 posts
Yes, a katar/qatar/khatar (the difficulties with phonetically spelling things in another language) is a punching dagger. However, qatars are usually held in a normal punching fist and then punching normally, with the blade extended through the middle knuckles, so it's reasonable to have your skill at punching be the ability rather then your skill at rapiers/normal daggers/spears.
-Ton
-Ton
Not that rapiers/normal daggers/spears are used in any way, shape or form in similar manners.
Daggers are held either reversed (blade extended down from the bottom of the fist) and used as a blocking/slashing weapon or held upright and brought upwards from down low in a gutting maneuver.
Rapiers are used in an extended, in line with the index finger, thrusting maneuver. Where the dagger is used to slash and tear, the rapier is meant to put little holes into your foe so that you may lightly dodge/parry/avoid his attacks until he bleeds to death (a great dueling weapon, but not the greatest weapon for actual combat... see sabres for the upgrade to this weapon).
Spears, on the other hand, were often used with a shield, the spear held overhand, the haft of the spear resting on your shoulders, so that you could thrust forward in line (think of it as an overhand pool cue) also allowing you to change your grip and suddenly sling from underneath to try and get under a shield if needed.
Really, the only thing these weapons had in common is that... well... they're weapons. That's about it.
Daggers are held either reversed (blade extended down from the bottom of the fist) and used as a blocking/slashing weapon or held upright and brought upwards from down low in a gutting maneuver.
Rapiers are used in an extended, in line with the index finger, thrusting maneuver. Where the dagger is used to slash and tear, the rapier is meant to put little holes into your foe so that you may lightly dodge/parry/avoid his attacks until he bleeds to death (a great dueling weapon, but not the greatest weapon for actual combat... see sabres for the upgrade to this weapon).
Spears, on the other hand, were often used with a shield, the spear held overhand, the haft of the spear resting on your shoulders, so that you could thrust forward in line (think of it as an overhand pool cue) also allowing you to change your grip and suddenly sling from underneath to try and get under a shield if needed.
Really, the only thing these weapons had in common is that... well... they're weapons. That's about it.
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I wish to applaud your knowledge of Western weapon use. It shows you've actually done some research into the topic. There are some things I'd like to add and one point I disagree on.
If the dagger is used in the "off" hand, it is usually held "upright" in the hand, but with the blade roughly parallel to the ground. Most of the Masters who left treatises (plural?), like Marozzo & Capo Ferro, instruct the pupil to keep the point of the dagger towards their opponent. (The most common guard having either blade held up and back so the back of the hand is nearly on the temple and the other extended out towards the opponent at the level of the base of the sternum). Others, like Fabris, added guards that held the dagger perpendicular to your opponent.
You are completely right in the holing of the rapier and most of its tactical use, but it WAS used to cut with. In the school of Italian Rapier, there are 9 cuts laid out; 7 use the “true” (proper) edge and 2 use the “false” (smaller sharp edge on the back side of the blade) to cut with. The rapier and saber really did not come into their own as a weapon until after the introduction of gunpowder made heavy armor pointless. The most commonly used armor against a rapier in that time was made from rawhide. Sabers where not so much an upgrade to the rapier as a sideways development. The intended use for a saber was from horse-back (A quick look at Hutton’s 18 or so guards, and its easily noticed that none cover the center of the body: all are side guards). The heavier blade was nessesary to withstand the impact of another weapon and the grip lends well to resiting having the blade pulled way while still in the body of someone you passed by at speed. It really wasn’t until the bayonet as widely used that the saber technique was adapted to foot soldiers (about mid 18th century.) They took different angles of it, but both rapier and sabre have their root in singlestick: a martial art form involving the use of a walking stick learned mostly by the upper-class after the wearing of steal was outlawed in most of Europe.
The short spear and javelins where used with shields, but the footman’s spear (and most of the pole arms under 10 feet long) where not. It was necessary to use both hands to control the weapon and for the finesse it hid. Those (and as far as I cant tell; TRUE historical quarterstaff) where used in the Western Martial arts in an entirely different way. One base guard was similar to a fencer (profile to your opponent, one foot back from the other) choked down to nearly the bottom of the shaft (some Eastern martial arts teach a very similar guard for the spear). The other base guard was used with shorter weapons (under 8 foot) and was nearly identical to the “classic” Lightsabre pose ala Luke with the lead hand about a foot to a foot and a half up the shaft from the other.
On a completely different note, keep in mind that some of the weapons (in game) probably fall into the skill catagory that they do because of something that has nothing to do with reality; an attempt to create game balance. (Whether they succeed or not is an ENTIERLY different thing)
/em puts on his asbestos suit for the flame that LAST bit will spark.
/grin
Shameless plug: For those who were NOT bored by that post, there is a International Swordfighting & Martial Arts convention coming up at the beginning of August in Lansing Michigan. Actual hands on classes with international masters. Check out the web page: http://artofcombat.org/public/thespis/convention/aocflyer.htm
Edited, Thu Mar 28 17:54:21 2002
If the dagger is used in the "off" hand, it is usually held "upright" in the hand, but with the blade roughly parallel to the ground. Most of the Masters who left treatises (plural?), like Marozzo & Capo Ferro, instruct the pupil to keep the point of the dagger towards their opponent. (The most common guard having either blade held up and back so the back of the hand is nearly on the temple and the other extended out towards the opponent at the level of the base of the sternum). Others, like Fabris, added guards that held the dagger perpendicular to your opponent.
You are completely right in the holing of the rapier and most of its tactical use, but it WAS used to cut with. In the school of Italian Rapier, there are 9 cuts laid out; 7 use the “true” (proper) edge and 2 use the “false” (smaller sharp edge on the back side of the blade) to cut with. The rapier and saber really did not come into their own as a weapon until after the introduction of gunpowder made heavy armor pointless. The most commonly used armor against a rapier in that time was made from rawhide. Sabers where not so much an upgrade to the rapier as a sideways development. The intended use for a saber was from horse-back (A quick look at Hutton’s 18 or so guards, and its easily noticed that none cover the center of the body: all are side guards). The heavier blade was nessesary to withstand the impact of another weapon and the grip lends well to resiting having the blade pulled way while still in the body of someone you passed by at speed. It really wasn’t until the bayonet as widely used that the saber technique was adapted to foot soldiers (about mid 18th century.) They took different angles of it, but both rapier and sabre have their root in singlestick: a martial art form involving the use of a walking stick learned mostly by the upper-class after the wearing of steal was outlawed in most of Europe.
The short spear and javelins where used with shields, but the footman’s spear (and most of the pole arms under 10 feet long) where not. It was necessary to use both hands to control the weapon and for the finesse it hid. Those (and as far as I cant tell; TRUE historical quarterstaff) where used in the Western Martial arts in an entirely different way. One base guard was similar to a fencer (profile to your opponent, one foot back from the other) choked down to nearly the bottom of the shaft (some Eastern martial arts teach a very similar guard for the spear). The other base guard was used with shorter weapons (under 8 foot) and was nearly identical to the “classic” Lightsabre pose ala Luke with the lead hand about a foot to a foot and a half up the shaft from the other.
On a completely different note, keep in mind that some of the weapons (in game) probably fall into the skill catagory that they do because of something that has nothing to do with reality; an attempt to create game balance. (Whether they succeed or not is an ENTIERLY different thing)
/em puts on his asbestos suit for the flame that LAST bit will spark.
/grin
Shameless plug: For those who were NOT bored by that post, there is a International Swordfighting & Martial Arts convention coming up at the beginning of August in Lansing Michigan. Actual hands on classes with international masters. Check out the web page: http://artofcombat.org/public/thespis/convention/aocflyer.htm
Edited, Thu Mar 28 17:54:21 2002
3 posts
Anyone have any info on what drops this item? What level is the creature? and How common of a drop is this weapon?
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