Primal Velium Warsword
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DropsThis item is found on creatures. Kerafyrm's Lair (Sleeper's Tomb)
QuestsThis item is used in quests.Expansion List - Premium only. Eastern Wastes
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Scars of Velious20 posts
is this still able to b done since the sleeper is awake on me server?....bc one of the mobs isnt a warder...well doesnt have warder in name?
False Info. My mistake.
Edited, Nov 2nd 2006 at 11:23pm PST by Dranikos
Edited, Nov 2nd 2006 at 11:23pm PST by Dranikos
15 posts
Primal Velium Knight's Sword
20/20 ac10
all stat +5
all res +5
hp+50 mp+50
LV:55
avator
weight 1.5
pal sk/all
Edited, Mon Dec 29 10:07:23 2003
20/20 ac10
all stat +5
all res +5
hp+50 mp+50
LV:55
avator
weight 1.5
pal sk/all
Edited, Mon Dec 29 10:07:23 2003
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 23 2002 at 12:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) first of all Rikko, rogues dont use slow weapons genious more speed=more dmg think about it if u have a 20/30 and a 13/20, u would do more dmg with 13/20 BECAUSE u would BS more /smack, and u NO MONK!!!, WAKE UP, geez Primal Velium Fist Wraps? gosh same stats but hand to hand DUH!
4 posts
Damn I love all the "smart" people that call everyone else stupid, while they are clueless themselves. Blankmann, Rogues often DO use slow weapons in there off hand, because ofhand speed = irrelevant genious. In addition, fast = agro, so a slow weapon with same ratio is wonderful for someone not trying to tank. Personally I use a LSoEE in my offhand, I love it! Good damage and lower delay so less agro, less chance of me pulling mobs attention.
Also, weapon delay has absolutly nothing to do with backstab speed whatsoever. The only think that affects it is haste.
(and OMG I want this 20/30 you seem to have found that is rogue usable piercer since you refer to it interms of BS!) In offhand, since 20/30 and 13/20 are equal ratios, I would prefer the 20/30.
Also, weapon delay has absolutly nothing to do with backstab speed whatsoever. The only think that affects it is haste.
(and OMG I want this 20/30 you seem to have found that is rogue usable piercer since you refer to it interms of BS!) In offhand, since 20/30 and 13/20 are equal ratios, I would prefer the 20/30.
3 posts
Ok, if you really think offhand delay doesn't matter------Try putting a low dmg/high dly in your mainhand. Like 5/35 Then put a high dmg/low dly in your offhand. Like 12/18 I think you'll see the low numbers scrollin by while you're still waitin to attack with your main hand. To even further prove it, make sure the 2 weapons are different skill. So you see lots of low dmg crushes from offhand while waiting for the big slashes from main or Visa-versa.
33 posts
Not true.
Your offhand has a chance to swing everytime the delay cycles on your offhand weapon. Notice it was a chance. It might not swing causing it to seem like it was limited by the primary.
Want to test this? Stick a Revultant Whip in your offhand and put a slow slow piercer or blunt in your primary (different weapon skill so you can see which one is actually swinging).
Your offhand has a chance to swing everytime the delay cycles on your offhand weapon. Notice it was a chance. It might not swing causing it to seem like it was limited by the primary.
Want to test this? Stick a Revultant Whip in your offhand and put a slow slow piercer or blunt in your primary (different weapon skill so you can see which one is actually swinging).
you are very right jabantik if you had a lamentation in offhand and wurmslayer in primary the lamentation has a chance of hitting twice before wurmslayer hits once this is because the lamentation has 19delay which is just under half of 40 the delay of a wurmslayer so it would take lamentation 19 for each hit so 38 for two hits and that is still under 40 so you have a chance of hitting twice in the same time
Edited, Thu Nov 20 16:22:34 2003
Edited, Thu Nov 20 16:22:34 2003
Primary hand delay determines how often the primary swings. Then according to your dual wield skill, secondary gets a chance to swing.
Stop talking about using slow main hand weapon and fast secondary. The main weapon will control the tempo of the swings. The secondary can only swing AFTER the primary.
If you use a slower primary weapon you've lowered your DPS significantly, due to slower main weapon, slower secondary weapon (limited by main), slower weapon procs, slower double attack, slower dual wield, etc.
My question is this. Hypothetical. Ignoring multiple attacks and procs and so forth. Primary has delay of, say 20. Secondary has a delay of 50. Swing on primary, hit. Roll for dual succeeds. Second swing on primary, hits. Roll for dual succeeds, BUT THE DELAY on the secondary IS STILL COUNTING, ISN'T IT?
Stop talking about using slow main hand weapon and fast secondary. The main weapon will control the tempo of the swings. The secondary can only swing AFTER the primary.
If you use a slower primary weapon you've lowered your DPS significantly, due to slower main weapon, slower secondary weapon (limited by main), slower weapon procs, slower double attack, slower dual wield, etc.
My question is this. Hypothetical. Ignoring multiple attacks and procs and so forth. Primary has delay of, say 20. Secondary has a delay of 50. Swing on primary, hit. Roll for dual succeeds. Second swing on primary, hits. Roll for dual succeeds, BUT THE DELAY on the secondary IS STILL COUNTING, ISN'T IT?
grave digging but...
my 2cp on this
as of 2015 off hand was set on its own timer, so it swings independently from MH.
MH receives weapon damage bonus while OH does not, so obviously a faster OH is indeed better as it will swing more frequently since it's on its own timer.
The general formula kicked around is:
Primary: ((WeaponDmg * 2) + DmgBonus) / (Delay / 10)
Secondary: (WeaponDmg * 2) / (Delay / 10)
my 2cp on this
as of 2015 off hand was set on its own timer, so it swings independently from MH.
MH receives weapon damage bonus while OH does not, so obviously a faster OH is indeed better as it will swing more frequently since it's on its own timer.
The general formula kicked around is:
Primary: ((WeaponDmg * 2) + DmgBonus) / (Delay / 10)
Secondary: (WeaponDmg * 2) / (Delay / 10)
There's a "new" Sleeper's Tomb on Stormhammer that will probably be making its way to our servers fairly soon. It has new weapons that aren't called primal but have the avatar proc. So don't feel left out if you didn't get one before your server woke the Sleeper...
Primal Weapons still drop after the sleeper has been released. I know this because the sleeper has been released on my server and people continue to get primal weapons from ST.
NO this is not warrior only anymore, my guild has several of these and numerous other primal weapons, and the 1hs warsword is definately ranger usable as well as rogues and bards now to. It has been upgraded for quite some time now, so to you mir warrior thats thinks this isnt and shoundt be in the hands of a ranger your just WRONG, a high lvl ranger with same weapons has more dps than a warrior cause our natural attack speed is just a marginal bit faster and the proc does not cause agro, its a buff proc DuH. and a ranger who dont have a primal bow by the time he getst his sword can swing till proc then back up a fire away with his bow with max dex for best crits and average hits, when a shaman casts avatar on me and my dex maxes i hit on average for 2-300 points per shot with my bow and crits are 500+ so take that and stick it in your warrior mentality.
So rangers rejoice we can use this sword now ;)
So rangers rejoice we can use this sword now ;)
13 posts
Well...might I add that ranger's do NOT have a faster rate of attack than a warrior? Rangers at higher levels get moved to better damage tables..IE, the old monk table...and, our ******* of offensive spells inflicts even greater damage...the only class with a innate haste is monks..ranger's just have to know how to utilize their spells and abilities to do maximun damage
/rant off
/rant off
Rogues are able to use this also.
20 posts
in response to warrior with 44/60 weap, are you nuts? youll never aggro anything with something that slow, your a WARRIOR a TANK your one and ONLY job is to GET HIT. if you had two P-shooters that hit for 1 damage/18 delay ratio weapon but they procced "HOLD AGGRO" thats what ya SHOULD use. using a slow weap like that just kills endless rogues/monks/rangers, /sigh /sigh
rikko
55 outrider
ever campaigning for warriors to actually get hit
rikko
55 outrider
ever campaigning for warriors to actually get hit
Have to agree with ya. Never understood warriors that try their damnedest not to get hit or take agro. Many times have I had to switch my ranger's swords, putting 34 delay in primary and 20 delay in secondary because the freakin war wanted to use a freakin Wurmsplayer in primary! And had to keep our memblur type spell/weapon proc up too. You get great warriors who make awesome tanks... then you get those that think high damage and HUGE delay weapons are a good idea.
'every campaigning for warriors to get hit'
Rikko, you crack me up bro, heheheheheh. I do agree with you.
Rikko, you crack me up bro, heheheheheh. I do agree with you.
5 posts
"using a slow weap like that just kills endless rogues/monks/rangers"..
mm. babarian like that idea. more death=more glory. kill! damn, our reasons for using slow delay weapons is out!
mm. babarian like that idea. more death=more glory. kill! damn, our reasons for using slow delay weapons is out!
This has to be Ranger useable... I see 60 Warder's all the time in Keepers of the Faith that wield this thing with their Tolan's Longsword of the Glade. What's the deal? Is the picture old or something?
Scholar
33 posts
Yes, it's ranger usable. Pretty sure it can be used by any dual weilding 1hs class. not sure what the deal is with the pic.
#Zaztik,
Posted: Jan 31 2002 at 6:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And when I say 60 Warder's I mean level 60 Rangers, not the Warder's in Sleepers Tomb :)
#REDACTED,
Posted: Apr 12 2002 at 3:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) hum no i think it says warr on the class field let me check hum ...... yeah it does say warrior
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 14 2002 at 3:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I erased a whole rant when I realized it was to an idiot who prolly couldnt comprehend the big two syllable words. Have fun tanking, just hope you the TA, any higher up and its a wipeout. No wait I'll bet you one of them tanks that runs in before the assist because after all you are a tank, they mean everyone else I'll bet
48 posts
who really gives a shiat if this thing gives mana, it has the ultimate melee buff that procs on it, a level 60 shaman buff that gives 100str, 100agility, and 100dex, plus a bunch of AC and health, i would love to get my hands on one of these!
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jan 08 2002 at 4:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Twinks like u make me sick. u take all the fun out of questing for better weapons if yours are already handed to you. /rant off
48 posts
Be cool to see a twink carrying primal ;)
7 posts
Why the hell Does this item have mana if it is Warrior only?
this is a War only item, so why in the name of Cazic's ******** does this have a plus 50 mana stat on it? is verant just that redundant? maybe we should give war's a self only clarity item while we are at it. *groan* i wonder about Verant sometimes...
Not stupidity, just plain laziness, all primals have the same stats, even for classes that don't need them...hmmm... wonder if brawl stick is monk only, time to go check..
Notice that it has bonuses for every slot that shows. Couldn't say that if they left off mana.
Add the fact that it is (no longer) WAR only.
Add the fact that it is (no longer) WAR only.
7 posts
go for the tolan's sword of the glade! 15 21, THATS good
20 posts
Are you kidding? You don't see why this is better than an epic? In short it's because the (apart from the freaking stats) effort required to get on of these makes the (combined) man hours pale into insignificance. See where these drop? Sleepers. It aint no cake walk.
OMG I can't believe anyone thinks that this will be ROLLED on in any normal EQ Guild. For god's sake I wish people would STOP posting opinions on gear that they have no clue about.
I NEVER expect to see one of these.
But you never know. Enough weeks or MONTHS getting gear in Temple of Veeshan, and racing to kill the right dragons, and we might.
OMG I can't believe anyone thinks that this will be ROLLED on in any normal EQ Guild. For god's sake I wish people would STOP posting opinions on gear that they have no clue about.
I NEVER expect to see one of these.
But you never know. Enough weeks or MONTHS getting gear in Temple of Veeshan, and racing to kill the right dragons, and we might.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 24 2001 at 3:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I just dont see why primal velium is better then the epics. The epics represent the culmintation of a lot of hard work and a lot of time invested. These, however, beat down the epics stats, and could be obtained by a roll in a guild raid. And no doubt, the uber guilds will be raiding sleepers for months, and in no time, all of the upper tiers will be equipped with primal velium. It really bugs me when I see the uber guild posts. Just because you made it into a guild means nothing, and does not give you an excuse to act like an idiot. Whenever VI splits a server, I cheer!
#Anonymous,
Posted: Sep 06 2001 at 3:08 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Get your head out of your *** and wake up! Half of some epics can be done solo, and the rest aren't really "epic" because they require a group or more to smack down a big mob. Not much "epic" about epic quests really. Take a look at Sleepers, I'd classify getting into this zone as "epic" because it again requires groups to smack down a big mob and turn in items for a key. Then you gotta kill the really big mobs for the awesome rewards! Yeah I think they're better then epics in every aspect.
15 posts
do you know how long it takes to get into Sleepers? I can pretty much Gaurentee less than 100 people on each server have the key to get into it.
3 posts
This weapon can also be used by Bards, Rangers,
and Rogues....along with Warriors, according to
profiled characters in Afterlife and
Paradigm. As far as Palys and SKs go, I don't know. If you do a quick check on the Paradigm or Afterlife websites you can parse through some
of the member profiles and their equipment, which
is where I got this information. It seemed compelling enough for me to believe(coming from
multiple sources as opposed to the one above).
So, in short, the warrior only tag is most likely
incorrect.
I'm sure that is music to everyone's ears since
all of us belong to uber guilds that raid sleeper's tomb every weekend. ;p
Don't worry, neither do I...
-Alde
and Rogues....along with Warriors, according to
profiled characters in Afterlife and
Paradigm. As far as Palys and SKs go, I don't know. If you do a quick check on the Paradigm or Afterlife websites you can parse through some
of the member profiles and their equipment, which
is where I got this information. It seemed compelling enough for me to believe(coming from
multiple sources as opposed to the one above).
So, in short, the warrior only tag is most likely
incorrect.
I'm sure that is music to everyone's ears since
all of us belong to uber guilds that raid sleeper's tomb every weekend. ;p
Don't worry, neither do I...
-Alde
What is the Paradigm website, does anyone know ?
HEH! F paladins and sk's on this item... rogues too even... war and rangers this would suit better imho... rogue can youse the spear... pali/sk... go get a 2h lol... I dont think most will ever see primal weapons (btw WTF those uber guilds wake sleeper for? EVEN after others failed on other servers and were told it was unbeatable... they cut the ammount of primal velium comin from there down big time... damn idiots shoulda let a good thing be) why was everyone in a race to die? OHH YEAH!! first to wake sleeper and get their asses kicked... that somthin to gloat about? tards straight up!
What? And blow their chance to get raped by a mob that drops no loot? Sheesh! It would make sense to leave it alone. Remember we're talking about EQ here.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Sep 10 2001 at 7:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The reason for the suspicious looking stats is because this is a fake. Some moron trying to look like a bigshot with a name that should have gotten his character wiped out. If I wanted to spend the time, I could post a picture of my Ultimate Warsword. It is a 1HS 50 damage 2 delay that procs 1200HP per tick unresistable damage that can't be healed. It has +100 to all resistances, adds 250,000 HPs, teleports you to any point in the game, acts as a 100% weight reduction bag with infinite slots, and leaves your breath minty fresh for days with just one use. But did I mention it is only usable by my character? So, sorry to all. I'm not disrespecting those who have killed any of the warders because that is a HUGE accomplishment. But those of you who haven't, stop posting your BS here.
*ahem*...not fake...*ahem*
26 posts
Okay maybe I read your post wrong but did you say this is fake? This is not fake just to clear that up for you.
Korinn
Korinn
Anonymous
I wonder if warriors need a unseen mana pool (in addition to dex) to proc more often. would be a cool Idea anyways. why else would a warrior only weapon have mana on it? I really don't thin VI is that bright or have that much forsight. it is most likely a quickly made Item by a designer that has never played a warrior or the EQ game its self.
Anonymous
2 handers have a different role then dual wielding and those warriors out there who only use 2 handers for dmg output dontknow their roles so stop posting on here like you know something you make yourself look stupid!
Anonymous
On the issue that 1 handers outdamage 2 handers, I have to disagree, I'm a 52 champion and I group with a 52 shaman, I wield an Oggok Cleaver (44 dam 60dly) A little slow, but with haste items and a haste buff with stats like 255str 180sta 179agi 191dex your pretty much unbeatable. I have made warriors using 2 lamentations look weak. Picture getting a couple rounds of attacks in for..... you slash whatever for 200, 216.. 168, 190,... miss, 210,.... miss, miss, 156, critical 320..... this weapon blows 1 handers away.
Anonymous
With 15 dly with only a haste item and hitting average of 40s with dual wield and no buffs add in dbl attacks ripostes YES I do outdmg most 2 handers. 2 handers are good for certain mob types with hellacious ripostes in which dual wield would make you take more dmg from the mob. Other then that your a tank your role is to taunt the mob and tank. Hard to do with a 2 hander. Hope your shaman likes being the tank!
Average of 40's without buffs? With a 13 damage weapon at the level you attain this (58+) you can hit for at least 60-70 without buffs on. At lvl 50 I can hit for around 42 max with a 9 damage weapon, switch it with an 11 damage weapon and it goes up to low 50's... with a 13 damage weapon you could break 60 easily at 50, but at 60 you have much higher skill caps, better equipment, and better buffs.
Anonymous
I think they just add mana because the designers got kinda lazy when they put the weapon together. If you'll note that all the primal add the same stats regardless of the weapon. Or in other words +5 to all, and +50 hp and mana.
The Unknown
The Unknown
Anonymous
Willsapper is better, doesn't have the stats or AC, but has the same dam/dly and fer gods sake slows your target..heh, and looks cool.
Anonymous
warsword in ne hand willsapper in other? ;P i'd prefer to tank and let those shm/enc slow the mobs
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 16 2001 at 11:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pfff, i dunno WTF all you dum warriors are talking about, but after my guild (after life) farmed Zlandicare in Tomb of Veeshen, and got all our ST keys, we went in here and farmed the wanderes for der primal ****** and now i DUAL WIELD these bad boys, yep..and you know what? i'm a MONK. I just told our GUildleader to stop talking and listen to me cause i'm a monk, and dat fugger did it, and now i dual wield these..thsi is a example fer all you n00bs out there, monks rock, you suck!!!! suck it warriors!!
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 07 2001 at 6:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Congratulations on dual wielding a LORE ITEM.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 16 2001 at 9:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) there is a primal Velium War hammer that u monkys can use :P same stats its just a 1handed Blunt :p
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 15 2001 at 8:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) To the people that make posts such as XXXXX class should get this item! Do you ever expect the people raiding here to listen to you? There are four dragons which drop the keys, these dragons are extremly hard (well for anyone but the people that actually have enough keys to enter ST...) and spawn once per week. Most likely you will never see a key, and if you do, and you actually get it, you most likely will never have enough keys in your guild to actually go to ST since by the time you'll have your key, there will be many guilds competing for the keys... To recap, no one that actually goes here cares if you say 'this item should go to XXX class' and you will never see this zone.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 15 2001 at 7:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) just want to clarify something to the people who dont already know this
Anonymous
There's weapons with better ratios (silver whip of rage) and definitely better taunting weapons (kreizenn's flame).
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 16 2001 at 4:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) nice comparison since the monk epic is the easiest one in the game you jackass...and being a warrior i know that the 50 mana this sword gives me will save me from certain death=P...no it is a nice sword though
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