Shadows of LuclinMakes ya wish that Verant would just tell us how haste works, instead of making us figure out game mechanics... oh well
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too bad VI has nothing to do with EQ anymore, and hasn't for a while:
Haste:
1. Worn haste
2. V3 Song haste. Vah shir, Rizlona's, Call of hte muse, Echo of the trusik. Allows you to go over the haste cap by that amount.
3. V2 haste. Erjav line, does not break cap.
4. V1 Haste. all other spell/Song/Clicky effects. This includes the monk epic "song" haste.
you can have one of EACH of those. Plus Speedfocus discipline, which isn't haste at all (works quite differently).
if you have multiple from one category, the stats may stack, but the Haste portion DOES NOT.
Haste:
1. Worn haste
2. V3 Song haste. Vah shir, Rizlona's, Call of hte muse, Echo of the trusik. Allows you to go over the haste cap by that amount.
3. V2 haste. Erjav line, does not break cap.
4. V1 Haste. all other spell/Song/Clicky effects. This includes the monk epic "song" haste.
you can have one of EACH of those. Plus Speedfocus discipline, which isn't haste at all (works quite differently).
if you have multiple from one category, the stats may stack, but the Haste portion DOES NOT.
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 10:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ok, songs are not in the V1 category, only spell haste as in, takes up one of your 15 buff slots type of spell (clicky hastes such as the eyepatch of plunder click is included here).
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Uhh, right for the most part, but 90% of haste songs ARE V1.
Erjav songs are useless - they stack, but don't break cap. Better songs to play.
The Overhaste songs are different, in that they do stack. Very useful.
The V1 songs are everything else. According to you, if there are no songs V1 haste, then WoZ would stack with chanter haste? 128% haste right there before overhasting (to 158%) and item (199%).
Oh, wait, that doesn't happen. Why? Because 90% of the haste songs, including WoZ, are V1. (I ignored haste cap for a reason, deal with it).
Erjav songs are useless - they stack, but don't break cap. Better songs to play.
The Overhaste songs are different, in that they do stack. Very useful.
The V1 songs are everything else. According to you, if there are no songs V1 haste, then WoZ would stack with chanter haste? 128% haste right there before overhasting (to 158%) and item (199%).
Oh, wait, that doesn't happen. Why? Because 90% of the haste songs, including WoZ, are V1. (I ignored haste cap for a reason, deal with it).
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Posted: Aug 18 2002 at 6:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) omg this will go so nice on my troll beastlord, i can't wait til i get to use it. obviously it would go to a troll beastlord because we have a low wisdom and need the mana. thank you verant u rule.
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Posted: Aug 03 2002 at 8:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Mana on a Monk olnly weapon?
Heh, it's not rare to see a totally useless stat on a weapon. However, this is also a BST weapon, so that justifies the mana.
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bard song and chanter haste dont stack...
monk epic is a song but that doesnt make a difference with anything, so, belt doesnt stack with epic :)
monk epic is a song but that doesnt make a difference with anything, so, belt doesnt stack with epic :)
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Not this haste stacking crap, 1 song, 1 spell, and 1 worn piece WILL ALL STACK. No 2 worn haste items will stack, no 2 spell hastes will stack, and no 2 bard song hastes will stack.
Gregg of Prexus
"Every Day is a Good Day"
Gregg of Prexus
"Every Day is a Good Day"
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Posted: Sep 10 2002 at 3:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Fyi, you can stack haste.
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Posted: Jul 05 2002 at 12:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wrong, bard song and enchanter haste stack, bards are on a totally different stacking table, which is why bards can use their bracer to give a DS to main tanks, bards can use zlandi claw on mobs after they have been crippled and it will go through, and bards can use orbs of tishan after mobs have been tashed and so on. While anyone else using zlandi claw/orb of tishan after a mob has been crippled/tashed will get a spell won't take hold message. And I am not saying ALL bard songs/item effects stack with all spells, but haste is one of them. Which is why in effect bards can bring people past the haste cap.
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Wrong. The haste spell may stack with bard haste songs, but the haste components DO NOT. If a bard haste song gives you(as an example)40% haste, 10attack and 10ac, where as the enchanter haste is pure haste of 60% you will end up receiving 60% haste 10attack and 10ac.
The fastest haste takes precedence.
The monk epic is 40% haste, 54attack and 12ac. When you get Shissar for instance, the monk epic stacks with shissar, but you don't the 66% + 40% haste. You only get the 66% haste plus all stat bonuses.
Supposedly there are a few bard songs that have a haste component that will stack with anything, but they are like 2% increase or something to that effect(not sure of the name? comp of erjav or something). But to say bard haste stacks with enchanter/shaman haste is misleading.
The fastest haste takes precedence.
The monk epic is 40% haste, 54attack and 12ac. When you get Shissar for instance, the monk epic stacks with shissar, but you don't the 66% + 40% haste. You only get the 66% haste plus all stat bonuses.
Supposedly there are a few bard songs that have a haste component that will stack with anything, but they are like 2% increase or something to that effect(not sure of the name? comp of erjav or something). But to say bard haste stacks with enchanter/shaman haste is misleading.
-Soy
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Posted: Aug 18 2003 at 7:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Maybe all these are old posts or soemthing, but now, it is a known fact that bard and enchanter haste stack, has been or awhile.
Think about it this way. There are 2 types of Haste. Item haste and Icon haste. IE if you see a visible buff it takes the highest haste and gives it to you. This accounts for bard songs, chanter haste, shaman haste, Beastmaster Haste ect. There are a few thing that break the rule. Warsong of the Va'Sahir, Battlecry of the Vah'Sahir, and Compesetion of Evejag. End of list.
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Posted: Jul 25 2002 at 3:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) you know ladies.. if you do the math youll find out that either 40% 60% or more.. dont usually matter anyway.. why? because your recieving this haste in battle and your gonna be hittin close to 1 sec or (10) delay anyways.. lol.. gawd.. why do people always ***** and argue about haste.. geesh 10delay is 10delay any way u reach it.. so chill have beer kill a dragon n relax!
10 delay cap is a myth: It's been proven in logs to go lower. It's also been proven in logs that haste doens't round your delay at all.
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if song and spell haste dont stack why would a 20% haste spell stack with a 40% haste song?
Edited, Wed Apr 23 20:55:52 2003
Edited, Wed Apr 23 20:55:52 2003
have you been reading?
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It amazesses me that after 3 YRS peeps are STILL stumped on the Monk Epic Haste.
Geeezz. Give it a rest already.
Flame on...
Drakko
Geeezz. Give it a rest already.
Flame on...
Drakko
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Posted: Feb 22 2002 at 5:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) WRONG, Monk epic is a SONG haste not a spell haste. Epic+CoF+belt click all stack
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well lvl 55+ is not very accurate .. i was lvl60 when i got this.. i sent this item into the databaste btw ;P
i use this weapon in mainhand atm, offhand is the weapon from rhag 1 in ssratemple (12/20 75 HP lifetap proc and some nice stats.. gonna replace that soon hopefully) horn is a mainhand weapon id say with full haste and bard haste its 12 dmg 9 delay or so .. signature is wrong btw hehe
Edited, Thu Jan 17 16:37:23 2002
i use this weapon in mainhand atm, offhand is the weapon from rhag 1 in ssratemple (12/20 75 HP lifetap proc and some nice stats.. gonna replace that soon hopefully) horn is a mainhand weapon id say with full haste and bard haste its 12 dmg 9 delay or so .. signature is wrong btw hehe
Edited, Thu Jan 17 16:37:23 2002
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delay may be 10 cause thats lowest delay goes with any wep an any amount of haste
wrong. Want factual, logged proof that delay goes lower then 10 with hast?
since its a h2h can it be stacked with the epic?
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Stacked how? The epic creates 9/16 weapons out of your bare fists, but 14/18 is considerably better than that. If you're referring to the epic haste, of course you can still click it.
Yes you can still equip this and epic, but epic's dmg/dly are no longer in effect in whatever slot you equip it in.
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That doesnt work there are two kinds of haste permanent haste ( cof rbb anything you wear pretty much). Effect haste (monk epic effect, bard song, spells etc.) Therefore if I saw a monk get this belt it would be horrid cuz the 2 hastes : monk epic effect and the belt haste do not stack, the belt would be better suited for a warrior or hybrid or rog you see. i hope this post help you in your further endeavors in the game called Everquest.
There are 3 types of haste, perm haste(cof, cocw, fbss) enchanter haste(spells) and bard song haste(bard songs and monk epic effect) all stack, but usually by the time you have enchanter haste and a nice perm haste item you have reached your haste cap anyway.
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Posted: Jan 15 2002 at 8:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If this doesn't goto the paladin on the raid there is something wrong with the leader... Just look at the dam/del and hp/mana just icing on the cake.
Please read, Monk Bst. H2H.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, and even if it was, this would obviously be a warrior weapon. hybrids either need a good 2h, or a high damage (possible slow) 1h weap with a shield.
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level to attain maybe 55 .-)
but you have to be 58 to weild it.
i just found out the hard way getting it on last raid with 57 and 1 yellow bubb PFFFF
later gotta get back leveling now
aloha
Saulus AO
57 Monkman of Vallon Zek
but you have to be 58 to weild it.
i just found out the hard way getting it on last raid with 57 and 1 yellow bubb PFFFF
later gotta get back leveling now
aloha
Saulus AO
57 Monkman of Vallon Zek
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Posted: Jan 15 2002 at 6:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) can anyone say, wasted on a beastlord? sure the mana is nice... but 14/18???? /drool almost a reason to make up a monk :)
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Posted: Jan 15 2002 at 3:57 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) who would ever give this to a monk?
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Posted: Jan 15 2002 at 1:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just call me ubah, ubah wpnz
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Posted: Jan 15 2002 at 1:29 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Epic monk + this in offhand + CoF + clickable haste belt from same mob = instant death
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This thread may be final proof that even lobotamized chimpanzees can reach 60.
The Monk Epic Celestial Fists has an effect that is a bardsong. It gives haste (40%), attack (40), and AC (12). This song stacks with item-based worn haste . However...once a spell ("icon haste", if you will) is cast on you, the haste component is overridden for the highest value.. you will still have the Celestial Tranquility icon though, becuase you are keeping the AC and ATTK bonus of the buff. So you will see the 2 icons, but only one of those will be hasting you.. the other just adding those other benefits minus the haste.
Haste stacks like this: 1 Item, and 1 Spell OR song. The only exceptions being a very few high-end Bardsongs that "break the cap" and are stackable like Battle cry/Warsong of the Vah Shir or Ervaaj line (note that the haste increases are very minor, like 5 or 10%, but since its more than you could have had anyway, its all good :))
Please... try to be knowledgeable before you shout "WRONG" at other people who are making an effort to learn by asking rather than spouting misinformation. There is plenty of hard documented proof from the people who built the game if you still don't want to believe me :).
The Monk Epic Celestial Fists has an effect that is a bardsong. It gives haste (40%), attack (40), and AC (12). This song stacks with item-based worn haste . However...once a spell ("icon haste", if you will) is cast on you, the haste component is overridden for the highest value.. you will still have the Celestial Tranquility icon though, becuase you are keeping the AC and ATTK bonus of the buff. So you will see the 2 icons, but only one of those will be hasting you.. the other just adding those other benefits minus the haste.
Haste stacks like this: 1 Item, and 1 Spell OR song. The only exceptions being a very few high-end Bardsongs that "break the cap" and are stackable like Battle cry/Warsong of the Vah Shir or Ervaaj line (note that the haste increases are very minor, like 5 or 10%, but since its more than you could have had anyway, its all good :))
Please... try to be knowledgeable before you shout "WRONG" at other people who are making an effort to learn by asking rather than spouting misinformation. There is plenty of hard documented proof from the people who built the game if you still don't want to believe me :).
I think the monk epic haste is considered item haste, like the rogue and ranger epics. If it is, then the CoF haste would be overwritten by CF haste.
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Monk epic is spell haste, making the belt that THO drops worthless to a monk who uses the epic. Something with item haste is, however, required.
Horn of Chaos suck, it's all we can do to get someone to loot the things before they rot, because they are at the bottom of the pile when it comes to MNK/BST weapons in Luclin. There are 15/18s, 16/19s, and 17/20s available elsewhere.
Horn of Chaos suck, it's all we can do to get someone to loot the things before they rot, because they are at the bottom of the pile when it comes to MNK/BST weapons in Luclin. There are 15/18s, 16/19s, and 17/20s available elsewhere.
Wouldn't have a problem getting me to loot, but I'm very ghetto equiped for a 60. My guild hasn't hit much in luclin, none of the nice monk weapon dropping mobs anywho. =)
Almost any monk would be using this is primary hand in the first place(you would be hitting with 5 more base damage a lot more for only sacrificing 2 dly). Monk epic is like a bard song haste, making it stack with enchanter spells and permanent haste items. So the belt does stack with epic haste, but since we can already have 2 different types of haste on us, it would be better suited for say a warrior to get the belt. And horns of chaos do not suck...just because there are better items out there does not mean every monk has them or is in a guild that can acquire them(if your killing him and these drop and they are better than what you have, tell me how these suck?). Before luclin every monk not in a ntov capable guild would die for these.
Palegod said these suck and his guild has trouble finding someone without better. Not me, so I think you replied to the wrong post. Serves to confuse matters. =P
I'd loot these no problem, just like I said before.
Don't think anyone said they suck if you don't have better. Just Palegod's guild is too uber for this weapon. Goodies for them. Hehe
I'd loot these no problem, just like I said before.
Don't think anyone said they suck if you don't have better. Just Palegod's guild is too uber for this weapon. Goodies for them. Hehe
then Verant issues new mobs at the zone line with 100pt damage shields....
does FD even work when you're hitting this fast, =)
does FD even work when you're hitting this fast, =)
Pain Lord Darknyss Grimscale
92 Iksar Crusader of the Greenmist
92 Iksar Crusader of the Greenmist
This is especially nice because not only does it proc a 150pt nearly unresistable DD, it has 8 dex to help it proc 8)))
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150 DD proc, almost unresistable.
This weap owns
This weap owns
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