I just had a Large Fine Plate Breastplate drop from 'a Bandit' (green to my 51 shaman) in Grimling Forest. Must be his rare drop since I was farming that camp for three hours and only saw one fine steel armor piece. They drop quite a few Fine Steel weapons but the breastplate surprised me since it was always a player crafted item.
Even stranger it was a dark elf that dropped a large item.
Edited, Thu May 8 22:15:43 2003
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Expansion:  OriginalYield: 1 x Fine Plate Breastplate QuestsThis item is used in quests.Expansion List - Premium only. Cobalt Scar
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You DO realize that sometimes poeple give items to MoBs as a joke?
One guy I knew would charm Forest Giants and give them trash earrings with the same graphic as the Forrest Loop just to give whoever killed him a short-lived thrill. Also, another friend was giving 5pp to snakes in West Freeport, and watching all the noobs go nuts killing snakes when someone yelled that the snakes were dropping plat.
Sounds like someone gave this to the DE just to get rid of it, or maybe by accident, aming for a pet, then zoned without killing the mob.
One guy I knew would charm Forest Giants and give them trash earrings with the same graphic as the Forrest Loop just to give whoever killed him a short-lived thrill. Also, another friend was giving 5pp to snakes in West Freeport, and watching all the noobs go nuts killing snakes when someone yelled that the snakes were dropping plat.
Sounds like someone gave this to the DE just to get rid of it, or maybe by accident, aming for a pet, then zoned without killing the mob.
I gotta try that :P How do you do that?
In Reply To First Post With This Name
No, they're not JUST player-crafted. They are sold in most cities smithy shops. Usually you can buy a full set.
Edited, Sat Jul 24 13:48:45 2004
In Reply To First Post With This Name
No, they're not JUST player-crafted. They are sold in most cities smithy shops. Usually you can buy a full set.
Edited, Sat Jul 24 13:48:45 2004
oh really there's dark elves in grimling? hmmmmmmmmmmm
33 posts
sure its good its good to make profit off smithing but its hard, smithing can make some good profit in the long run but the amount of cash spent in that time is alot, but, fineplate is still usefull, its great for a slight twink on a paladin, shadow knight and warrior (and not ubah twink) and a full set of fine plate looks the dogs, although a netherbian chitin is better for stats and alot cheaper, but the matter of the fact is ppl do want them, there just not around when you need them to be or just dont have the money.
Raijin Silverarm
38th paladin follower of Rodcet Nife
in the server of Antonius Bayle
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=569908
Raijin Silverarm
38th paladin follower of Rodcet Nife
in the server of Antonius Bayle
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=569908
11 posts
From what I've heard, PoP adds some hi end smithing recipes. I've only been able to find a couple of them but from what I've seen these are going to make working on you're smithing skill worthwhile. I've been working on my skill to make acrylia chain armor for my ranger, but have been second guessing my decision as the cost for skill increases has risen. I mean why spent hundreds of plat trying to raise the skill, when you could take that money to the bazaar and find comprable, if not better armor for less plat?
With pre-PoP recipes I don't see any realistic way to make money from smithing. Unless you can find people who simply want FP for the purpose of dying it and wearing it for special occasions ie guild events because I don't see why anyone would wear it when they could get armor with higher AC and better stats.
As to the comments about having to pay a smith higher prices cause FP is so expensive to make, I say BS! We are dealing with a market based on supply and demand and demand for FP is going to drop as more armor with better stats becomes more readily available. The only way to counteract this is to drastically lower supply. However as more people raise their smithing skill, there will naturally be a higher supply of FP, thus lowering the price even more. point being, if you're expecting to make money off FP (or refuse to sell it at a lower price cause you think we owe you something just because you're a hi lvl smith) get over yourself. my advice to you: don't make very much of it, and find someone who wants it purely for looks and doesn't care about spending extra money before you make any of it. As for me, I'm going to make enough FP to raise some skill and twink out my lo-lvl alts so they can look darn cool! much better than my main ever did at that lvl (he didn't even have pants other than cloth, until lvl 20). Then I'm going to work on the new PoP recipes and try selling those in the bazaar.
With pre-PoP recipes I don't see any realistic way to make money from smithing. Unless you can find people who simply want FP for the purpose of dying it and wearing it for special occasions ie guild events because I don't see why anyone would wear it when they could get armor with higher AC and better stats.
As to the comments about having to pay a smith higher prices cause FP is so expensive to make, I say BS! We are dealing with a market based on supply and demand and demand for FP is going to drop as more armor with better stats becomes more readily available. The only way to counteract this is to drastically lower supply. However as more people raise their smithing skill, there will naturally be a higher supply of FP, thus lowering the price even more. point being, if you're expecting to make money off FP (or refuse to sell it at a lower price cause you think we owe you something just because you're a hi lvl smith) get over yourself. my advice to you: don't make very much of it, and find someone who wants it purely for looks and doesn't care about spending extra money before you make any of it. As for me, I'm going to make enough FP to raise some skill and twink out my lo-lvl alts so they can look darn cool! much better than my main ever did at that lvl (he didn't even have pants other than cloth, until lvl 20). Then I'm going to work on the new PoP recipes and try selling those in the bazaar.
14 posts
Quote:
With pre-PoP recipes I don't see any realistic way to make money from smithing.
I agree that fine plate is no longer a viable moneymaker. However, There are LOTS of Pre-PoP recipes that are profitable:
Acrylia plate
Mistletoe sickles
Black acrylia weapons
Blue Diamond culturals (Heraldic, Full mithril, Underfoot, darkscale...)
In addition, on some servers, mine for example (rodcet nife), the OLD cultural armors can still be sold for profit (eg. imbued field plate).
Scholar
25 posts
I've noticed that when considered in isolation the craft skills appear to be fairly well thought out. However, when you consider them against the backdrop of items available through questing and creature drops and even the stores, crafts would appear a marginal activity.
This piece's superiority when compared to craftable armor is far from being a fluke occurrence. You have two pieces, where the one that drops is better protection, lighter, and available to moderate level characters. The crafted one costs a lot to make, indicating that most who can make one could get the drop a lot sooner. Considering the additional risk of failure and cost to attain the skill, and low frequency of merchants selling the necessary metal, there's no question that the dropped item is going to have a damaging effect on the option of being a player smith.
Look at the quests available to newbie Gnome casters, and compare the rewards to silk armor. Look at the quests available to newbie monks, and compare them to cured silk, or in some cases even Wu's. Look at the quest armor available to Halflings of any type, and compare it to what a crafter can make. Look at the quest armor available to most anyone that can start in Freeport, and compare it to crafted items. Bottom line is that if you want to make money selling crafted armor, you're pretty much limited to Barbarians and Wood Elves for your market.
Now consider weapons. The only weapons I've seen that a smith can make that MIGHT sell, considering the rampant availability of fairly good loot drop weapons, are the Thrown ones. Smiths can make javelins with a range of 205. While I haven't seen anything in a shop yet (haven't looked REAL hard though) with more than half that, who wants to pay a plat for a one-use weapon anyway? I doubt seriously there's money in this item.
Pursuing crafts in many cases means long journeys to gather supplies. Only a few places have the metal needed for any armor better than Banded. Only a few places have creatures with spider silk, and only a few have Kiola Sap. It's a chore in itself just getting the material needed to pursue a craft very far. By itself, that's not really a bad thing, the problem is that there simply isn't much payoff, because better stuff can be had for free if you know where to quest or hunt.
Now think about the component mix of many crafts. You simply can't be a Master Tailor without becoming a pretty good Brewer and pretty good Smith. You need metal studs and boning, and you need Heady Kiola. You probably also need to be good at Foraging, or know someone who is. While that makes sense in isolation, the alternatives to crafted items simply make craft mastery a dubious goal.
Another factor, at least on The Rathe, is rampant Twinking. You may think there's nothing wrong with Twinking, and maybe there isn't, but since it is common to see a level 1 Bard wearing a full set of Lambent gear, there's a real good chance that they won't be interested in buying crafted plate at any price. It's just really common to see someone twice an area's level hunting for loot drops "for my noob." Of course, twinking HAS made me some money, since most of my armor sales have been paid for by one character, and delivered to another. While I'd prefer that kind of thing to not be part of the system, the fact is that without these sales, the only way for me to profit from smithing would be from converting ore into metal sheets.
Now, I'm sure that if a study was done, we'd find that most people like it the way it is. Well, of course. However, the assumption there is that the players are driving the system, while I wonder if it isn't a case of the system driving the players. This is what we have, and folks either like it or they move on, and what we wind up with is a homogenous population that agrees, because those that don't like it have "voted with their feet" without anyone noticing.
In the current environment, it seems clear that the pursuit of craft skills is a symptom of a mental defect. Why else would one push a skill to 200 in order to be able to make something that is not worth the cost to make it? Unless you have some kind of government contract, you can't make a profit that way.
This piece's superiority when compared to craftable armor is far from being a fluke occurrence. You have two pieces, where the one that drops is better protection, lighter, and available to moderate level characters. The crafted one costs a lot to make, indicating that most who can make one could get the drop a lot sooner. Considering the additional risk of failure and cost to attain the skill, and low frequency of merchants selling the necessary metal, there's no question that the dropped item is going to have a damaging effect on the option of being a player smith.
Look at the quests available to newbie Gnome casters, and compare the rewards to silk armor. Look at the quests available to newbie monks, and compare them to cured silk, or in some cases even Wu's. Look at the quest armor available to Halflings of any type, and compare it to what a crafter can make. Look at the quest armor available to most anyone that can start in Freeport, and compare it to crafted items. Bottom line is that if you want to make money selling crafted armor, you're pretty much limited to Barbarians and Wood Elves for your market.
Now consider weapons. The only weapons I've seen that a smith can make that MIGHT sell, considering the rampant availability of fairly good loot drop weapons, are the Thrown ones. Smiths can make javelins with a range of 205. While I haven't seen anything in a shop yet (haven't looked REAL hard though) with more than half that, who wants to pay a plat for a one-use weapon anyway? I doubt seriously there's money in this item.
Pursuing crafts in many cases means long journeys to gather supplies. Only a few places have the metal needed for any armor better than Banded. Only a few places have creatures with spider silk, and only a few have Kiola Sap. It's a chore in itself just getting the material needed to pursue a craft very far. By itself, that's not really a bad thing, the problem is that there simply isn't much payoff, because better stuff can be had for free if you know where to quest or hunt.
Now think about the component mix of many crafts. You simply can't be a Master Tailor without becoming a pretty good Brewer and pretty good Smith. You need metal studs and boning, and you need Heady Kiola. You probably also need to be good at Foraging, or know someone who is. While that makes sense in isolation, the alternatives to crafted items simply make craft mastery a dubious goal.
Another factor, at least on The Rathe, is rampant Twinking. You may think there's nothing wrong with Twinking, and maybe there isn't, but since it is common to see a level 1 Bard wearing a full set of Lambent gear, there's a real good chance that they won't be interested in buying crafted plate at any price. It's just really common to see someone twice an area's level hunting for loot drops "for my noob." Of course, twinking HAS made me some money, since most of my armor sales have been paid for by one character, and delivered to another. While I'd prefer that kind of thing to not be part of the system, the fact is that without these sales, the only way for me to profit from smithing would be from converting ore into metal sheets.
Now, I'm sure that if a study was done, we'd find that most people like it the way it is. Well, of course. However, the assumption there is that the players are driving the system, while I wonder if it isn't a case of the system driving the players. This is what we have, and folks either like it or they move on, and what we wind up with is a homogenous population that agrees, because those that don't like it have "voted with their feet" without anyone noticing.
In the current environment, it seems clear that the pursuit of craft skills is a symptom of a mental defect. Why else would one push a skill to 200 in order to be able to make something that is not worth the cost to make it? Unless you have some kind of government contract, you can't make a profit that way.
6 posts
Actually it isn't that hard. I mean, c'mon, I've never passed level 13 yet and I already know how to get enough money to be able to make this kind of plate. I decided to have my Ogre Shadowknight and he needs good armor. I mean, really his ATK rating is like three times his AC, and this guy is supposed to tank? So, what I'm doing is I just got up to level 6 so I can survive the trip and so I have my bash, leaving me with 3 levels of experience before I have to head back to Ogguk for his spells. Now, here's the deal. I have a choice of hoping that some random guy will decide to twink me, which on my server is very unlikely, or I can handle the armor myself. Well, I can't make it to a luclin portal as I'm not high enough to pass the mountains over to NK and I'm KOS to guards in FP so I can't ride the boat over to Faydwer where the portal is easy to get to and the guards aren't so closely guarding the place.
So, I can wait till like level 20 or so, or I can buy the armor from the vendors. Well, the armor from the vendors for leather armor is reasonable, but for chainmail it's insane. By making my own armor I can save 50-70% of the cost easy of getting the chain. By making my own plate I save myself a hell of a lot of dough, I ain't paying like 700pp for a piece of armor unless it's pretty dang good and actually worth the cost. So what I do is I traveled to East Commonlands to the newb zone side near Inn 1, where there are fire beetles, large fire beetles, black wolves, young plains cats, black bears, orc pawns, decaying skeletons, and spiderlings. In the northern part of the area I am easily safe from the guards, and I can hunt all but the beetles and moss snakes for some money. The orc pawns I hunt strictly for faction, a little bit of money I find on them, and the occasional cracked staff which sells to vendors for about 8gp. I can sell bone chips for about 2pp a stack, and these are level 1s I'm fighting there. The spiderling silks sell a little higher, and the coyote skulls sell for about 2pp a piece. Black wolf skins, grizzly bear skins, young plains cat scalps, and matted lion pelts can sell for about 1pp a piece. LQ MQ and HQ pelts of cats wolves and bears can all be found there, and sold appropriately. I'm level 8 now, and I already found a HQ bear pelt. I just wait for a few minutes in between each auction, maybe around 20 minutes, and every time i do I get another offer for some of my wares. I just keep my hotkey updated on what I have in stock, keep the price negotiable for the poorer folks so I can sell more stuff, and I can quickly earn some good cash. I already have a full set of leather armor now and about 11pp left over. I still have alot to sell, and I've only been at it for about 2 hours.
Sure, it can be hard work, but it works and basically it's a method of self twinking. Think about it, a level 15 SK with a full set of platemail and a 14 50 weapon? That's pretty good for that level, and by level 20 I can start to go quest for better items. Crafting is for several purposes. First, is to use for yourself. If you can't use it yourself, why are you making it? Second, it makes a bit of profit. Spend the time to make your armor, go to the bazaar, set up shop, and go watch your favorite shows or something. When you come back your all the richer. Crafting is only for high levels if your doing certain special equipment. I'm sure this kind of plate stinks later, but what about ceremonial armor, or perhaps some imbued armor, or some of that Acrylia armor? That sells well at higher levels. You just gotta be creative, patient, and do your research ahead of time on what you can and can't do. Trust me, the trade skills have their place.
So, I can wait till like level 20 or so, or I can buy the armor from the vendors. Well, the armor from the vendors for leather armor is reasonable, but for chainmail it's insane. By making my own armor I can save 50-70% of the cost easy of getting the chain. By making my own plate I save myself a hell of a lot of dough, I ain't paying like 700pp for a piece of armor unless it's pretty dang good and actually worth the cost. So what I do is I traveled to East Commonlands to the newb zone side near Inn 1, where there are fire beetles, large fire beetles, black wolves, young plains cats, black bears, orc pawns, decaying skeletons, and spiderlings. In the northern part of the area I am easily safe from the guards, and I can hunt all but the beetles and moss snakes for some money. The orc pawns I hunt strictly for faction, a little bit of money I find on them, and the occasional cracked staff which sells to vendors for about 8gp. I can sell bone chips for about 2pp a stack, and these are level 1s I'm fighting there. The spiderling silks sell a little higher, and the coyote skulls sell for about 2pp a piece. Black wolf skins, grizzly bear skins, young plains cat scalps, and matted lion pelts can sell for about 1pp a piece. LQ MQ and HQ pelts of cats wolves and bears can all be found there, and sold appropriately. I'm level 8 now, and I already found a HQ bear pelt. I just wait for a few minutes in between each auction, maybe around 20 minutes, and every time i do I get another offer for some of my wares. I just keep my hotkey updated on what I have in stock, keep the price negotiable for the poorer folks so I can sell more stuff, and I can quickly earn some good cash. I already have a full set of leather armor now and about 11pp left over. I still have alot to sell, and I've only been at it for about 2 hours.
Sure, it can be hard work, but it works and basically it's a method of self twinking. Think about it, a level 15 SK with a full set of platemail and a 14 50 weapon? That's pretty good for that level, and by level 20 I can start to go quest for better items. Crafting is for several purposes. First, is to use for yourself. If you can't use it yourself, why are you making it? Second, it makes a bit of profit. Spend the time to make your armor, go to the bazaar, set up shop, and go watch your favorite shows or something. When you come back your all the richer. Crafting is only for high levels if your doing certain special equipment. I'm sure this kind of plate stinks later, but what about ceremonial armor, or perhaps some imbued armor, or some of that Acrylia armor? That sells well at higher levels. You just gotta be creative, patient, and do your research ahead of time on what you can and can't do. Trust me, the trade skills have their place.
45 posts
I read your post and really agree with what your saying. Personally I don't see how a non twink player can afford this stuff and make it worthwhile anyways...the cost is just too high...i plan on buying up a lot of bronze for my warrior(with the bazaar I've even found pieces of bronze for 1pp!) and the AC on this cheap stuff should hold me over till i can afford to buy something like crafted...this fine plate is just too expensive to someone who doesn't know the "good places" and stuff to get a lot of money.
Scholar
49 posts
Now that Netherbian Chitins with 20AC, str and svf are dropping like candy, are are selling for around 100pp, how can FSP BP's still sell for even the cost to make them? Other than for looks alone? Who would actually wear or buy this now, other than for looks?
If your plate wearing character IS wearing a Neth Chitin, what dyed color do you think would look best with it. On my HIE Cleric, its a brownish plate look.
I'd be interested in your feedback on this.
Elessarion
The Rathe
If your plate wearing character IS wearing a Neth Chitin, what dyed color do you think would look best with it. On my HIE Cleric, its a brownish plate look.
I'd be interested in your feedback on this.
Elessarion
The Rathe
I've posted elsewhere that any smith with an FP BP in his inventory is going to have to unload it for FAR below cost because of the Netherbian Chitin. (I find myself in that situation.)
I like this BP, I think it's a good item for the level, but that the drop rate should be reduced so that it's a rare drop. Of course, since it's been out for months, there's so many of them out there already that the drop rate probably makes no diffreence at this point.
My paladin is wearing one of these, as is my cleric. The cleric is wearing some bronze, and that seems to go well. My Erudite pally is in undyed plate, and that looks pretty good. I expect that one of the blue shades might look good as well.
I like this BP, I think it's a good item for the level, but that the drop rate should be reduced so that it's a rare drop. Of course, since it's been out for months, there's so many of them out there already that the drop rate probably makes no diffreence at this point.
My paladin is wearing one of these, as is my cleric. The cleric is wearing some bronze, and that seems to go well. My Erudite pally is in undyed plate, and that looks pretty good. I expect that one of the blue shades might look good as well.
To all the nay sayers and those who gripe about the price of FP, please note that most smiths are trying to raise their skill to make high end items for themselves and guild mates. There are the occasional types that over price, but it isn't often. The folded MQ sheets of metal are a bit over 20pp for me. (With a charisma of 102) The molds are anywhere from 1pp to 20pp depending on which piece, and where you shop. As most pieces use more than one MQ folded sheet, and the cost of molds you can see how the price is high, and the great losses incurred durring training have to be made up through a profit margin. I hope this post will help with understanding for those who feel riped off by the price of FP armor.
Shanter (The Enchanting Smith)
Terris-Thule
Shanter (The Enchanting Smith)
Terris-Thule
I am a smith, and have a skill over 200. I sell FP for 10pp per AC. This is a common price guide on Terris-Thule. If you have a hard time getting the items you like at a fair price just contact Shanter for Medium sized FP. I'll make Large or Small, but you have to bring your own Plate Molds, and take the risk of a failure on the mold.
I remind you, that I would still be taking the risk of loosing up to 60pp worth of folded MQ sheets of metal.
Shanter (the Enchanting Smith)
Terris-Thule
I remind you, that I would still be taking the risk of loosing up to 60pp worth of folded MQ sheets of metal.
Shanter (the Enchanting Smith)
Terris-Thule
11 posts
I had a paladin whome I played and I was sick of his bronze armor so I saved up ( about 1k from all my chars) and I went to commons ( it is really hard to find people selling FP anymore) and I finally got some and it lasted me all the way to 25. I looked pretty sharp too =)
Ranoin Fatebringer
60th season of serving Marr
Ayonae Ro
Ranoin Fatebringer
60th season of serving Marr
Ayonae Ro
5 posts
btw color does not matter ill take the undyed im hoping to get my brother to make me some dye he is a shammie but has no smithing skill what so ever :( he can do the dye making though but no master smiths are willing to do this for me except the one guy who told me he could make it and cost me well over 950 pp thanks again yall.... tapodorff grreat warrior and uber tank boy im a motha fing sherman!
5 posts
I was seriously wishing and hoping that perhaps a high level smith and a high level player (have more pp) could help me out and perhaps slide me fp bp and legs on mith marr for just the materials at this moment.... just the amt of money for the materials is a small fortune and it will continue to be that way for a while i had one guy try he kept faling :( i lost well over 950pp so if any one wants to help send a tell to tapodorff on mith mar im on all the time or email me at tapodorff@hotmail.com thank you fellow citizens
19 posts
Does the Dyed Red BP have the same shade of red that Rubicite does on DEs? And which resin? If it does I'd like to buy a full set of dyed red fp on Ayonae Ro.
I recently made it to the 175 skill point (finally), and Have started making fine plate armor. My success rates so far are:
BP 2 out of 3
Greaves 1 out of 1
Vambraces 1 out of 1
Boots 1 out of 1
Bracers 5 out of 7 (note: this was at 162 skill).
So far no skill up on plate! I always try to keep wis and strength buffs on, to maximize my chance of a skillup.
I know this is way too small a sample to draw any statistical conclusions, but thought the info might be of use to someone.
BP 2 out of 3
Greaves 1 out of 1
Vambraces 1 out of 1
Boots 1 out of 1
Bracers 5 out of 7 (note: this was at 162 skill).
So far no skill up on plate! I always try to keep wis and strength buffs on, to maximize my chance of a skillup.
I know this is way too small a sample to draw any statistical conclusions, but thought the info might be of use to someone.
1 post
I recently had a guildmate make me a full set of large race FP. His skill was about 183 and only failed once. /clap Matt It was a pain in the **** to get though seeing as I had to run my druid to halas for the molds then Highpass for the ore. I bought enough stuff to fail twice and succeed once. Since he only failed once, he resold the rest of the supplies to a vendor at a fairly good price. Spent 2.2k all together. Was the best 2k I've ever spent too. It was my wedding and I looked sharp in undyed FP =) cant wait to see the red hehe.
Zostrik
52 Warrior of Lanys T'Vyl
Proud member of Chosen Counsel
Zostrik
52 Warrior of Lanys T'Vyl
Proud member of Chosen Counsel
You can do it all in one place now - Bazaar. YAY! They sell all the molds (small, med and large), metals and even the equipment for dying. (Though you still need to go get the raw extracts yourself). In addition, there are numerous forges in this zone. What a great zone. What a great expansion - that luclin.
Machail Ironforge
51 paladin
Shadow of the Dragon
Tunare Server
Master Blacksmith of 175 skill.
Machail Ironforge
51 paladin
Shadow of the Dragon
Tunare Server
Master Blacksmith of 175 skill.
how do you go aboput dying FS Plate that is already forged. or can you? My 25 pally would look sweet in a golden suit (if possible)
Scholar
18 posts
Yes, I traded a light blue dyed small BP and bracer for a medium undyed BP and greaves which I then dyed dark blue and sold (along with the rest of the visible pieces, newly made) to a Dark Elf. So far, with a 178 smithing, I've made two BP's with no failures so I don't know if I'm just ahead of the curve or if failure is just rare, like skill-ups, at this level.
3 posts
Id would like to buy fine plate armor , chest, neck, back, hands, head , and face, on Mithaniel Marr server, Cha name is Vaedaar 20 SK , guild Immortal Dragonsbane, current location Lake of Ill Omen. Email me or send a tell sometime if you have some to sell.
Anonymous
for all the trouble it is to be a smith and make and sell fp armor, would all you master smiths say its worth it?
Depends on how you define "worth it". Pp-wise it is not worth it on many, older servers, as the market for Fine Steel Plate is very limited.
But it is hard to beat seeing a lowbie wander off with his newly aquired "uber" Banded Armor, or the joy of supplying a person with Fine Steel armor, that gives him that unique look he's always wanted.
But it is hard to beat seeing a lowbie wander off with his newly aquired "uber" Banded Armor, or the joy of supplying a person with Fine Steel armor, that gives him that unique look he's always wanted.
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Ok can anyone please confirm if there is in fact a difference here?
I made a med Fine Plate Breastplate using a mold from Felwith, however when I looked on a couple of my other characters they are wearing Small Fine Steel Breastplate. Stats are the same only the naming.
Is this just another issue with inaccurate naming on Verant's part or can only actually make both a Fine Steel Breastplate and a Fine Plate Breastplate? This is very important as the Emerald Dragonscale Tunic quest calls for an Undyed Fine Steel Breastplate <player made>.
However when I made one using a mold from Felwith the result was a Fine Plate Breastlpate AC19 Wgt10, should one use a mold from a different source? Thus far all indications are that it is a naming issue but not something you want to mess up.
Please let me know if anyone has made a breastplate recently using Freeport or other area molds and the result was a Fine Steel BP not a Fine Plate BP
Thanks,
I made a med Fine Plate Breastplate using a mold from Felwith, however when I looked on a couple of my other characters they are wearing Small Fine Steel Breastplate. Stats are the same only the naming.
Is this just another issue with inaccurate naming on Verant's part or can only actually make both a Fine Steel Breastplate and a Fine Plate Breastplate? This is very important as the Emerald Dragonscale Tunic quest calls for an Undyed Fine Steel Breastplate <player made>.
However when I made one using a mold from Felwith the result was a Fine Plate Breastlpate AC19 Wgt10, should one use a mold from a different source? Thus far all indications are that it is a naming issue but not something you want to mess up.
Please let me know if anyone has made a breastplate recently using Freeport or other area molds and the result was a Fine Steel BP not a Fine Plate BP
Thanks,
There is a general naming confusing on Fine Plate items. Most of them are called fine plate, but some, especially small sices it seems, are named fine steel. This is the same as pelts and skins.
But just like pelts and skinns, it is always either or, you never have the same item with different names. If it is "small fine steel breastplate" you will never have a "small fine plate breastplate".
I can not speak for the quest, but chances are that it is the fine plate breastplate you need.
But just like pelts and skinns, it is always either or, you never have the same item with different names. If it is "small fine steel breastplate" you will never have a "small fine plate breastplate".
I can not speak for the quest, but chances are that it is the fine plate breastplate you need.
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I have small fine plate items and they are not the same as small fine steel items. And small fine plate weighs less then med. That's the difference.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Aug 11 2001 at 9:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) why do all of the smiths want us to pay an extra 250pp for their past getting their skill up we just want to buy this stuff for you to have about 10pp profet and not have to pay for your past!
#Anonymous,
Posted: Aug 11 2001 at 9:57 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) sorry i meant 100pp profet
Ok, so I'm at 136 now. Still making banded which gives me a 50% profit margin if I'm "completely" succesful in making it.
So basically what I have to look forward to when making Fine Plate later on is a 30% profit margin?
1pp per ac for banded, 10pp per ac for Fine Plate? Who comes up with these inane prices? With banded I can't even sell it for more than 1pp ac because of competition, please tell me I won't have the same the problem when I finally start making Fine Plate!
I can relate to the post about being fair to Smiths. I had a guy one time tell me that I was selling my banded too high and that he saw a guy selling pieces off for 2pp each. Not 2pp per ac, each piece 2pp!
*rolls eyes*
So basically what I have to look forward to when making Fine Plate later on is a 30% profit margin?
1pp per ac for banded, 10pp per ac for Fine Plate? Who comes up with these inane prices? With banded I can't even sell it for more than 1pp ac because of competition, please tell me I won't have the same the problem when I finally start making Fine Plate!
I can relate to the post about being fair to Smiths. I had a guy one time tell me that I was selling my banded too high and that he saw a guy selling pieces off for 2pp each. Not 2pp per ac, each piece 2pp!
*rolls eyes*
I suggest you don't worry about it, your skill is not high enough. You will need to have 175 AT LEAST to make the lowest AC pieces, I know because I am a smith. Also, from what I have seen, 10pp per AC is the low end price for FP, it can go up to 15pp per AC, and full sets sell for around 1-2kpp, more for dyed (dyed has the same AC, but can make quite a profit. I heard of one guy who could reliably sell full sets of Red Dyed Fine Plate for 4-5k! :-O ) Anyway, I suggest you skill up to 175 THEN work on FP, otherwise you will waste a LOT of money for 1 or 2 successes. Hope this helps :)
(P.S. I pick up my info from a guy with a skill of 241, so this info is quite reliable)
Balidin Evilbasher
23 Paladin
Master Smith
Skill 137
(P.S. I pick up my info from a guy with a skill of 241, so this info is quite reliable)
Balidin Evilbasher
23 Paladin
Master Smith
Skill 137
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jul 28 2001 at 7:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) im on the morell thule server. i bought basically full body fp from a smith except for legs boots and bracers. he charged me 10pp per ac. i paid him the money and was happy and he will get my buisness again. all this complaining is bs. charge fairly and u will get more people wanting ure service.
Anonymous
on this message bored i have read alot of people that think for 2 extra AC 100 and some pp more isnt worth it....well, the ac upgrade is not why FP is sold. FP is sold b/c of its ability to be dyed. that is it really. people wanna look cool, so they get some FP armor, thats the only reason. thank you, have a nice day
Mandas Shadowolf
Druid of 30 seasons
Bristlbane
Mandas Shadowolf
Druid of 30 seasons
Bristlbane
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My reason for FP over Bronze is because it weighs less than bronze does, and that counts more than the color, although those rose BP's do look sick...
Azethel
Azethel
9 posts
Im getting it to replace bronze because of the weight as well. Bronze is heavy. But I also wanted it because my char looks damn sexy in it. Go check out the clerics in the Temple of Marr in Freeport. Yeah dont lie you know you want them. Um anyway. I look like that now. Un Dyed and silver the way a paladin should look.
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I can realize what a pain this must be to make armor like this. I myself and making a carrer in this trade. My skill is at 70. (lol) and im even a little bugged out. Fortunatly i have a friend who gathers materials for me. I am requesting to buy a Bp non-dyed or silver if posible for 250pp. I just want a set and that is all. 250 is ok right. its a little more then what you ask but im willing to tip in toward the cause. hehe.
my e-mail is muddy92098@aol.com please tell me if you can or cannot make this for me. Thank you
my e-mail is muddy92098@aol.com please tell me if you can or cannot make this for me. Thank you
Anonymous
Ack, people just don't understand how expensive this stuff HAS to be if the smith isn't going to lose money.
We spent 3 hours the other day trying to get through someone's skull the cost of materials, the need to take into account failures AND the fact that I am not going to take all the time needed to get materials and then make zero profit on it. Seems many people think craftsmen should make a very small, if any profit...I just don't get it.
My skill is up to 186, and I only fail about 2x through the whole process (except cloaks, which I'm not willing to even do at this point in time...gets too costly), but even with a low failure it is a PAIN running around to get everything needed if the profit is non-existent, and I'm a druid with a slight advantage in that area even..
Please, don't try to 'justify' a lower price by comparing it to bronze. If you want fine-steel, then be willing to pay a price that's fair to the maker...if not, stick with your bronze for a little longer.
Our best day was when someone offered us 4k each, for 4 full sets. We got right on that!
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Stormii Simbacca and Miistia Simbacca
Master craftsmen - Tunare Server
We spent 3 hours the other day trying to get through someone's skull the cost of materials, the need to take into account failures AND the fact that I am not going to take all the time needed to get materials and then make zero profit on it. Seems many people think craftsmen should make a very small, if any profit...I just don't get it.
My skill is up to 186, and I only fail about 2x through the whole process (except cloaks, which I'm not willing to even do at this point in time...gets too costly), but even with a low failure it is a PAIN running around to get everything needed if the profit is non-existent, and I'm a druid with a slight advantage in that area even..
Please, don't try to 'justify' a lower price by comparing it to bronze. If you want fine-steel, then be willing to pay a price that's fair to the maker...if not, stick with your bronze for a little longer.
Our best day was when someone offered us 4k each, for 4 full sets. We got right on that!
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Stormii Simbacca and Miistia Simbacca
Master craftsmen - Tunare Server
Anonymous
Whoops on the previous post. I acquire a lime-green breastplate, can it be re-dyed to a different color? If so, anyone on Tallon interested on taking the work?
Thanks,
Ulaxmi
Tallon Zek
Thanks,
Ulaxmi
Tallon Zek
You cannot re-dye fine plate. Perhaps you can trade to someone with an undyed BP and get a blacksmith to dye it.
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