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Crown of Deceit  

Slot: HEAD
Charges: Unlimited
AC: 12
CHA: +15
Effect: Illusion Feir'Dal (Any Slot, Casting Time: 6.0)
WT: 0.4 Size: SMALL
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Slot 2, Type 21 (Special Ornamentation)

Item Type:Illusion
Color (RGB):0, 0, 0
Lucy Entry By:Kheldar
Item Updated By:Gidono
IC Last Updated:2021-10-19 08:18:04
Page Updated:Thu Oct 9th, 2008

Expansion: Planes of Power Planes of Power

Rarity: Common
Level to Attain: 55

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Quest Name
Crown of Deceit

Zone(s) Found In:

Zone Name
Upper Guk

Uploaded April 1st, 2009 by Cylius
Updated May 3rd, 2020
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# Mar 13 2020 at 4:23 PM Rating: Excellent
47 posts
Did this quest recently. After doing the Half Elf camp, this was a relief. You can have most of it done in Velious and ready to go for PoP.
Faction made easy
# Jun 16 2019 at 8:36 PM Rating: Decent
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My Gnome Rog 85 Mag 86and Wiz 85 went to Grobb killed Mulg(sp) a few dozen times and boom ally
# Aug 30 2015 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok dark elf necro and have killed thousands of mobs in Lguk, Seb and everywhere else to raise this faction and have scalp, old froglok still won't give me the recipe any suggestions?
# Nov 18 2018 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
41 posts
I assume you've figured this out by now, but a wood elf illusion potion or cast from an Enchanter can give you the needed boost. Guktan illusion should accomplish this as well.
# Jun 04 2010 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
i got my faction to warmly in prolly 3 days time, did that by killing lots of frogs in old seb and lower guk. Was easier in old seb - more number of frogs , can train better . I finish pulling 1 round of frogs and then had to wait for 5 mins for repops and those guys drop nice gems i was able to make plat too. As compared ot the undead frogs in guk - less in number dont drop really great stuff and wait time is more since can kill all the frogs there in a shorter time. have to run around a lot more here to train everything.

Only downs of killing in old seb is it takes a long time to get there and cant check your faction every now and then like you can do in undead guk ( slave live frogs ).

I jumped from scowl - threateningy in old seb, then from there to dubious in lower guk , then from there to aimable in old seb again, then went back to lower guk got my faction to warmly in prolly in 5 rounds of pulling in lower guk. Will hit old seb again for final jump since the loot there is better also not many people come there.

And i tried using both essence of froglok and essence of gukta both did NOT change my faction. And my class and diety did allow me to use the scalp of ghoul lord.
faction standing with Frogloks of Guk
# Jan 20 2009 at 2:25 AM Rating: Decent
514 posts
Be careful when you are pulling trains through the Undead portion of Lower Guk. There are several areas with a few (live) froglok slaves.

I am working on my second Crown and have been an ally with the live frogloks for a long time. To test just how bad it is to cross factions I pulled a slave with one of my trains. My log file showed me:
- hundreds of lines "could not possibly get better" (Max Ally)
- 1 line "got worse"
- 10 lines "got better"
- hundreds of lines "could not" yadda yadda (Max again)

So, if you pull absolutely every mob in an area (frenzied, executioner, safe hall crossing) you could be working hard at getting nowhere if you accidentally pull slaves as well as undead frogloks. If you pull a dozen mobs and two of them are slaves you are losing ground... +10 points for the undead, -20 for the slaves, your total for this pull = -10 points... quit now or change your ways.

two more after this one.
~ Muse Temperance the Elf
~ Lyricist of <Mystic Coercion> on Erollisi Marr
~ with a <Variety> of alts to keep me busy
faction standing with Frogloks of Guk
# Aug 17 2009 at 11:16 PM Rating: Decent
Well i'm a troll sk and been factioning for awhile now i've killed tons of frogs on undead side and still KoS i'm maxed out can't get anyworse with undead.
the live side hasn't maxed yet been at this for sometime and i've killed everything but live frogs. I also have gotten the scalp from the lord. On my DE necro wasn't as difficult task but with troll i guess is harder to max aly?
Crown of Deceit
# Dec 19 2008 at 6:10 AM Rating: Decent
Okay so the Crown of Deceit is obviously a PITA because of the factioning.
My Suggestion is just go straight to Sebilis and pull trains.
I have done 5 of these crowns, best of luck!
# Mar 30 2008 at 10:59 PM Rating: Decent
Started out a human ranger, Dubiously con'd to an old froglok, killed 1374 undead frogs in lower guk, warmly faction. took about 11 hours.
Illusion Note
# Feb 25 2007 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
642 posts
agnostic vah shir beast. somewhere in 68 levels and a bunch of AAs, managed to sink guk frog faction to dubious. finally got crown to drop in seb, and, managed to gather the furs and find a tailor capable of crafting cloak, figured since i'd been trying to get this thing for a while, i'd settle down and finish it.

thus,i started in lower guk, thinking a few hours of mindless grinding would pop me up to warmly in no time.

think again. got to indiff doing that and was ready to freaking gouge me eyes out witha rusty spoon--despite killing every named i came across and killing the ghoul lord routinely. switched to old seb, and after more mindless grinding--though more profitable--was reaching for rusty spoon after popping back to guk and finding meself still indiff. back to seb, hours of more grinding on entrance mobs and any named i found, managed amiable. spent an entire day slaughtering, finally got to kindly.

figured i'd try guktan AND froglok illusion pots to see which would boost faction.

neither one put me over kindly. so, back to seb for some more mindless slaughter. reading down the posts, i see cabilisianecro mentions that kindly to warmly should be less time to move through.

gawd i hope so--that spoon keeps calling me name. =)
Illusion Note
# Mar 01 2007 at 4:50 PM Rating: Decent
Do you have the Scalp of the ghoul lord equipped when checking faction?

That scalp will push your faction up a lot. It drops off the ghoul lord by the way.

Illusion Note
# Mar 01 2007 at 7:57 PM Rating: Decent
642 posts
not equipable by agnostic vah shir.
a few notes before i forget
# Jan 30 2007 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
just a few thoughts on the Crown of Deceit quest...

1. You need to be "warmly" factioned to the old froglok (Frogloks of Guk) to get the quest. I'm a Rallos Zek worshipping ogre shadowknight level 70 who started out "ready to Attack" with the good frogs so i went down to Lower Guk and started killing all the undead frogs from the ghoul lord all the way down to the executioner area. Just don't kill the slaves or you'll get the opposite faction hit. You can easily check on your faction by /conning these slaves by the way. I'de estimate it took me about 20 complete clearings of these undeads to get me from "ready to attack" to "amiable". I was using a Poison Wind Sensor which has an area-effect rain damage process, about 120dd times 3 waves.

2. Faction from worst to best is:
ready to attack.

3. You'll need "scalp of the ghoul lord" which drops of the ghoul lord to push your "amiable" faction up to "kindly". If you're still amiable WITH the scalp on it just means you need to kill a few more undead frogs. While doing my faction work in lower guk i easily got the scalp and saw several of them rot.

4. You'll need "essence of Guktan" (250pp in bazaar) to change yourself into a guk frog to push your faction finally over to "warmly".

5. For the Elf Essence stage, I found "wood elf parts" at the bandit camp in greater faydark and found "dark elf parts" in dulak harbor from the dark elves.
You can make celestial essence with scent of marr + celestial solvent combined in a Mixing Bowl. The final combine to make the elf essence required the mortar and pestle and worked fine for me.

6. Reet froglok crown dropped from the 7th reet frog for me in Old Sebilis.

7. "an old froglok" or his ph'r "a froglok ton shaman" is located at pos 1280, pos 210. When i got there the ton shaman was up instead of the old froglok so i logged onto another toon and went down and killed the ton shaman, in 16 minutes the old froglok spawned.

8. The Crown of Deceit clicky makes you look like a Wood Elf, not a Dark Elf (i didnt realize this till halfway done, it's all good anyway) and you get ultravision while under this illusion. You can click the effect from inventory.

...Oh one more thing, you can't Slam while under the woodelf illusion, you can Bash with your shield but when you goto a 2-hander, Slam doesn't work. Slightly annoying.

Edited, Feb 4th 2007 5:28pm by johnjosh
# May 15 2006 at 9:48 PM Rating: Decent
Fier'dal is which elf race? or a diferent race im just wondering
nevermind looked at spell effect wood elf and ultravision

Edited, Mon May 15 22:49:45 2006
# Aug 18 2006 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
45 posts
Fier'Dal = Wood Elf
The reality of it all
# Apr 15 2006 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
23 posts
I'm a lvl 70 bard and 65 rog. Currently the rog has, iksar, DE, Vah-Shir, Eurd, Human, Half-elf, Wood-elf, Pumpkin, High elf, and he is a Halfling. Currently the bard has, iksar, eurd, DE, Vah'shir, Wood-elf, pumpkin, High elf, HALFLING, and is a Half-elf.

I think if every class had the option of doing the other illusions, one may learn to appreciate this quest. Take the halfling mask for example...some people sit there for days on end killing one mob on a 20min cycle into the wee hours of the morning. The thing to rememeber that eventhough the faction may seem endless, your working with a means to an end.
Can ya still do this Quest ?
# Aug 11 2005 at 5:14 PM Rating: Decent
Doh, nm, frogs of upper guk still there, just in gukta have the trolls came back.

66 ShadowKnight

Edited, Mon Aug 15 21:41:00 2005
Body Count
# Mar 07 2005 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
Being an iksar I started out KOS without even touching a froglok, compound that with being a monk; camping Raster for 16 hours straight which put me to max negative faction with the froggies. Here's what I gathered from all the killing: I forgot to turn on /log untill the 3rd night so 1773 logged faction increases, most likely 300 more that weren't logged, a short trip to Seb (to get Crown), and about 5 Deepest Guk LDoN. So a rough estimation is about 2500 to 3000 hits to get from max negative to max positive. Max positive for an iksar is indifferently, amiable with Scalp, so I used an Essence of Gnome that I had in the bank to push me up to Warmly.
#REDACTED, Posted: Oct 04 2004 at 8:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is cool
Got it
# Aug 16 2004 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
I currently have this took over a month. Illusion Guktan The fancy frog one raises faction and ghoul lord scalp rare drop on ghoul lord has faction modifier. Imma troll and can walk freely among the wood elf city. Con amiable to gaurds and indifferent to citizens. It also provides ultravision. Very useful item allowing me to do many quests once off limits without a chanter or bards help.
# Jun 06 2004 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good
Verified faction, June 2004

Wolf form, increases my faction from Dubious to Indiff, increased faction of the Druid casting it from MAX KoS, to Dubious.

Essenece of Guktan, new froglok illusion, no faction change whatsoever.

Illusion: Froglok, old froglok illusion, no faction change whatsoever.

May be ableto use Puppet strings to charm it, then use Wolf Form to get warmly faction with no faction work, have yet to test this.[b][/b][i][/i]
RE: Faction
# Apr 25 2005 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
1,162 posts
Charming a mob to be your pet makes it amiable, period. Won't work.
# May 13 2004 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
The In door wolf form Feral Pack adds to your faction for frogs. I just hit amiable and when a druid friend cast Feral Pack on me I went to Kindly. After 2 more hours of AEing in lower guk w/a cleric friend we tried again with Feral Pack and I conned Warmly (still amiable reg con)
so I think faction works like this:

You get faction points per kill, your con is based on your faction. Illution spells add X number of faction points. So wile I never got past amialbe, the higher end of amialbe was enough stacked with Feral Pack to get me to warmly.
# May 07 2004 at 11:30 PM Rating: Decent
Ive heard that you can get a chanter to cast some type of faction spell on you .. and get a druid to cast an indoor wolf spell on you at the same time and it would get you to warmly.. can anyone confirm this?
#REDACTED, Posted: Apr 26 2004 at 10:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) is it true that u can give certain NPC's under a certain faction platinum to raise faction? heard this before... just not sure of it.... i'd like this cuz i don't like being an ogre... just don't have time to do faction killing
Faction Question...
# Apr 18 2004 at 2:48 AM Rating: Decent
I have heard that killing the Frogs in Seb gives you a better faction hit than killing the lower level Frogs in L.Guk. I have asked a few different people about this, and no one is very sure if this is true. One person told me that the ins and outs of faction is a guarded secret of Sony's and no one really knows for sure. Anyone have any idea if a higher lvl Frog in Seb will give me more factin than a lower lvl Frog in Guk?
Thanks in advance :)

Shoonasasi Peloquin
65 Feral Lord of the Rathe
RE: Faction Question...
# Apr 25 2005 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
1,162 posts
Sebilis frogs give better Frogloks of Guk faction, about 5 to 10 points per frog, compared to 1 point per frog in Lower Guk. That's based on parsing my log files for two different characters who went through this faction, one primarily in Guk and one primarily in Sebilis.

Having a group to make the kills go faster helps a lot too.
# Apr 14 2004 at 12:29 AM Rating: Decent
I am currently deep into (I hope, after spending all that time killing...) amiable with Frogloks of Guk, I am agnostic, and yeah I know I could keep killing for hours and hours, but I was wondering if there was a more lazy way to do it. I've been reading, and seen lots of talk about certain illusions bringing your factions up with Frogloks of Guk. I've tried potions of Gukta, which seem to give no effect with the faction. Someone mentioned the level 65 enchanter illusion froglok spell had effect, can anyone back this up, or was that person just assuming that turning yourself into a froglok would cause your factions with them to rise. I am not expecting it to take me from amiable to warmly, of course... but anything that would give a boost in the faction would help. Thanks in advance.
Just a thought
# Apr 01 2004 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
42 posts
Anyone try the wood friend bauble on the old froglok? Its a no rent item that is quested, giving the same illusion as the crown does. Just a thought that it might help with faction.

Once I get some time, I'll try it out.

Etrivus Rezalot
55 Cleric
Erollisi Marr

Edited, Thu Apr 1 13:25:55 2004
# Mar 24 2004 at 10:36 PM Rating: Decent
71 posts
I am a lizzy war who just spent 4 days ( a few hours everyday ) in LGuk factoning. I had never hunt in both of the Guk zones previously and I very rarely hunt in Seb in my entire EQ career. This made me KoS to the max towards all the froglok kinds right from the start I assumed.

I maxed my faction towards the Frogloks of Guk yesterday, with the message saying my faction with the Frogloks of Guk can't get any better. Here are a couple of things I noticed..

1. I con Indifferent to the Old Froglok without the Scalp of the Ghoul Lord nor any illusion.

2. Once I wear the Scalp, Old Froglok cons Amiably to me.

Now the interesting part:

I took off the Scalp then take a zip of the Essence of Gukta ( Froglok illusion potion ), Old Froglok now cons Kindly to me.

After that, I put on the Scalp again. Old Froglok cons Warmly.

This means that Froglok illusion does help with faction. Some of the posts said it won't work. And better get a Human illusion. Misleading info.

I will try to get a human illusion and con the Old Frog again and see.

Mith Marr
#REDACTED, Posted: Mar 19 2004 at 11:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Rofl you people really crack me up i went from KOS to allied in about 2 hours - u get better faction killin named in sebilis then u do in lower guk i know i spent time in lower guk but more tiem in seb - its more profitable in sebilis
# Mar 08 2004 at 5:53 AM Rating: Good
What scalp is everyone talking about, that you put on and it raises faction a bit?
RE: Scalp?
# Mar 14 2006 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
77 posts
They are referring to the Scalp of the Ghoul Lord which drops off The Ghoul Lord in Lower Guk.
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