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Scars of Velious
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on a different note... the cloak serves as a light source, and the effect seems to be a full time 1 point damage shield. you dont click to activate it, its always on.
Trillium Silveroak
Warder of Midnight Sojourn
Forest Stalker of Erollisi Marr
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Angel time for you to quit posting about things you haven't done.
When you get on one of these raids Rangers are needed in the Tank groups. Therefore We need to manage our agro and stay in the fight. If the Main tank is getting the heck beat out of him and it looks like the CH won't make it Rangers Take the agro and TANK it. Get over it I can tank it. Am I the best at it? Nope. I can tank any Melee dealing Mob in this game for 20 secs. Thats enough time for the Warrior to get healed and back in the fight. Thats enough time for the cleric to get an infusion of mana from either a mod rod or a Necro to fill them. With Good Hps and AC I will be able to hand the Mob back to the Warrior at the end of this time and usually live. At AC 1160 HPs 4025. The more HPs and AC I have the better I am able to assist the Main tank. Main Tanks at this level normally have 1300+ AC with 5000hps.
Yes you are correct. If main tank dies we have a problem. My job is Agro Management and Max Damage on Uber Mobs this type of Item would help a Ranger immensely.
For those that think a Ranger doesn't get hit or shouldn't, you obviously don't play the High end game. Try casting Snare in ToV, you are gonna get hit. If you don't snare mob runs and the train that is coming back IS going to clean your clocks.
HPs and AC are as beneficial to the Ranger as the Warrior.
/em Casts Resist Fire
>/rude rangers who think they're better tanks than warriors.
>/rude idiots who think rangers are tanks
>/rude newbies who troll boards gathering there only info from spoiler sites and are still level 15.
Not better tanks but still tanks you will learn this someday when you finally start grouping with them.
Since you are such a Supieror Tank, try dueling one of these rude Idiots in green armor and find out just how inadequate you are.
Before you go and say but you have spells well you have more AC and HPs if you don't want me using my spells then drop 25% of your Hps and AC then we can duel with out spells.
Rangers gave up HPS and AC at the time of creation for spells. Nothing says we can't work towards Getting them from other means. While warriors were wearing Prom jewelry Rangers were, and still are, getting AC items for every slot.
I do believe this Item is EXCELLENT for all 3 classes. Yes there are times when certain Items Drop when you will be tossing the dice against all who can use. These are not always decided by the Raid Leader. You would know this if you had ever seen this mob.
Conaddor Trueheart
Warder
/sigh time to Kite another Warrior
When you get on one of these raids Rangers are needed in the Tank groups. Therefore We need to manage our agro and stay in the fight. If the Main tank is getting the heck beat out of him and it looks like the CH won't make it Rangers Take the agro and TANK it. Get over it I can tank it. Am I the best at it? Nope. I can tank any Melee dealing Mob in this game for 20 secs. Thats enough time for the Warrior to get healed and back in the fight. Thats enough time for the cleric to get an infusion of mana from either a mod rod or a Necro to fill them. With Good Hps and AC I will be able to hand the Mob back to the Warrior at the end of this time and usually live. At AC 1160 HPs 4025. The more HPs and AC I have the better I am able to assist the Main tank. Main Tanks at this level normally have 1300+ AC with 5000hps.
Yes you are correct. If main tank dies we have a problem. My job is Agro Management and Max Damage on Uber Mobs this type of Item would help a Ranger immensely.
For those that think a Ranger doesn't get hit or shouldn't, you obviously don't play the High end game. Try casting Snare in ToV, you are gonna get hit. If you don't snare mob runs and the train that is coming back IS going to clean your clocks.
HPs and AC are as beneficial to the Ranger as the Warrior.
/em Casts Resist Fire
>/rude rangers who think they're better tanks than warriors.
>/rude idiots who think rangers are tanks
>/rude newbies who troll boards gathering there only info from spoiler sites and are still level 15.
Not better tanks but still tanks you will learn this someday when you finally start grouping with them.
Since you are such a Supieror Tank, try dueling one of these rude Idiots in green armor and find out just how inadequate you are.
Before you go and say but you have spells well you have more AC and HPs if you don't want me using my spells then drop 25% of your Hps and AC then we can duel with out spells.
Rangers gave up HPS and AC at the time of creation for spells. Nothing says we can't work towards Getting them from other means. While warriors were wearing Prom jewelry Rangers were, and still are, getting AC items for every slot.
I do believe this Item is EXCELLENT for all 3 classes. Yes there are times when certain Items Drop when you will be tossing the dice against all who can use. These are not always decided by the Raid Leader. You would know this if you had ever seen this mob.
Conaddor Trueheart
Warder
/sigh time to Kite another Warrior
22 posts
/clap Conaddor
Sup bro =) Well Cons right, rangers play an important role. Once a ... "A" (as in one of many) main tank goes down, rangers help alot by using their weaponshield disc (usual scenario) and holding aggro while the Healers can switch targets, reset timings, bake a cake, or do whatever they need to do. They arent the best tanks, but they are still damn good at it, very evasive, and have a massive dmg dealing capabiltiy, which is the purpose of their class.
Con hit it right on the head, and this is an amazing piece of equip, but both classes (sorry, druids dont count) could use this just as well as the other. Personally i would favor a warrior because they lack the ability to cast Damage shields, but then again... im biased.
So... Cant we all... just... get along ? =/
Sup bro =) Well Cons right, rangers play an important role. Once a ... "A" (as in one of many) main tank goes down, rangers help alot by using their weaponshield disc (usual scenario) and holding aggro while the Healers can switch targets, reset timings, bake a cake, or do whatever they need to do. They arent the best tanks, but they are still damn good at it, very evasive, and have a massive dmg dealing capabiltiy, which is the purpose of their class.
Con hit it right on the head, and this is an amazing piece of equip, but both classes (sorry, druids dont count) could use this just as well as the other. Personally i would favor a warrior because they lack the ability to cast Damage shields, but then again... im biased.
So... Cant we all... just... get along ? =/
Anonymous
To all the numbskulls who think that a Ranger isnt valuable in a group and shouldnt get the cloak for its AC , think again. The fact is that a Ranger with proper weapons can out damage a Warrior is true. So the Ac is a Nice up grade to the pathetic AC a Ranger has anyway. My advice is to keep your Ranger alive longer and any Ac helps.
I have played evey charater in game so I have a good idea who usually needs what.
I have played evey charater in game so I have a good idea who usually needs what.
14 posts
Ok guys, here is my take on who should get it. Rangers have by far the worst AC of any tank. The Str and Wis are a major bonus, but I am inclined to believe this would be ideal for a Ranger at 55+ Just my 2cp
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 02 2001 at 11:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) to all those people who think they know what there talking about (yeah you whos main is a mid 30 druid) please just STFU
Nice. Glad your parents taught you manners.
You know, when I look at the item, I see it is for three classes. War, Rng, Dru. Seems to me to be made for all three. Would it be nice for a warrior? Yes, but as you yourself point out, ...
"any warrior worth their grain of salt in a NToV raid has a Lod shield or better on their back, they get haste from waist or gloves."
Based on your own convoluted logic then, how can you claim, ...
"bottom line is this is a warrior item FIRST then ranger/druid "
I will not cover the benefits to Rangers, as that has already been adequately covered elsewhere. Cf. their statements.
As far as Druids go, I think this would be a nice druid item, it seems I happen to remember that druids have a need for Wisdom, and this has 5 more than Lod's Shield does. And a warrior cannot use the mana on this shield, but both Druids and Rangers do. So if I were in on a group when this dropped, I certainly would hope that you would not try to tell me I could not *possibly* have this.
And I hope when the time comes, since you seem to feel this certainly a valid statement, and worth following, I hope you take your own advice...
... and don't get YOUR nads in a knot when you are told that YOU won't get this.
You know, when I look at the item, I see it is for three classes. War, Rng, Dru. Seems to me to be made for all three. Would it be nice for a warrior? Yes, but as you yourself point out, ...
"any warrior worth their grain of salt in a NToV raid has a Lod shield or better on their back, they get haste from waist or gloves."
Based on your own convoluted logic then, how can you claim, ...
"bottom line is this is a warrior item FIRST then ranger/druid "
I will not cover the benefits to Rangers, as that has already been adequately covered elsewhere. Cf. their statements.
As far as Druids go, I think this would be a nice druid item, it seems I happen to remember that druids have a need for Wisdom, and this has 5 more than Lod's Shield does. And a warrior cannot use the mana on this shield, but both Druids and Rangers do. So if I were in on a group when this dropped, I certainly would hope that you would not try to tell me I could not *possibly* have this.
And I hope when the time comes, since you seem to feel this certainly a valid statement, and worth following, I hope you take your own advice...
... and don't get YOUR nads in a knot when you are told that YOU won't get this.
3 posts
I hate to sound like I dont know crap about this cloak, but I dont know crap about this cloak. That said:
Is this effect self only or can you target others?
Kinda important to know and I didnt see it on any of the posts. If you know please give up the information.
Sunnasx Dru 52 Brell
Is this effect self only or can you target others?
Kinda important to know and I didnt see it on any of the posts. If you know please give up the information.
Sunnasx Dru 52 Brell
Not saying who it's best for or anything like that. But chances are this is going to be given to a warrior because of the ungodly ac on the back. Sweet cloak, really looking forward to ToV.
Nods
Nods
stop argueing! it should go to me =)
Let us end these meanless fighting. If your raid leader wants to handed it out to a druid, good, a warrior, great, a ranger, exelent, it doesn't matter. Everybody just know if you want it to go to the best class, take out your Di, and roll away. Whoever wins is the best class for the item that roll.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 01 2001 at 2:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well at least some of you have some sense, ok please everyone stop arguing and look at the facts, for warriors 35ac str12 sta12 dex12 PR10 DR10 100hp but the 15wisdom and 50 mana is wasted, rangers shouldnt be taking that many hits, so ac and sta is wasted, but everything else is great, for druid, alll stats except for dex will work, why? because druids have alot less hp than tanks, str for carrying loot, sta for a few extra hp, resists are good, wis15! insane, +50mana too
14 posts
Well, unfortunately, seeing as the majority of the posts were the same tired arguments about why such-and-such a class should get this because they roxx0rs and everyone else suxx0rs, I didn't bother reading the rest of them. I was sort of looking for actual information, so thought it would probably be a waste of time.
I've never fought in ToV before, so I was wondering what sort of mobs drop this . . . the kind on CoV faction, or the kind in the testing halls? I'm on dragon faction, so wondering whether to look for this or just wait for my quest armor. Sorry if someone mentioned it somewhere, I just can't bring myself to wade through the stupidity to find it. And if it IS the testing halls, which section? The part that drops quest armor for the giant Velious armor, or the section that drops for SS Velious armor?
Thanks in advance for *informative* (read: not pointlessly argumentative) replies.
I've never fought in ToV before, so I was wondering what sort of mobs drop this . . . the kind on CoV faction, or the kind in the testing halls? I'm on dragon faction, so wondering whether to look for this or just wait for my quest armor. Sorry if someone mentioned it somewhere, I just can't bring myself to wade through the stupidity to find it. And if it IS the testing halls, which section? The part that drops quest armor for the giant Velious armor, or the section that drops for SS Velious armor?
Thanks in advance for *informative* (read: not pointlessly argumentative) replies.
Anonymous
Not in either, this drops in the Forbidden area of the zone, off of Lady Nevedaria. They are all on GuardiansOfVeeshan faction, which is kos to all starting and no +GoV exists. In addition, the dragons give pretty large -CoV faction hits, making it difficult (but not impossible) for CoV people to hunt there without destroying their faction completely.
Lady Nevedaria- 36 well equipped people with 230ish MR at least for each could take her. Average is closer to probably a 50 person or so force. Realistically, you won't be able to drop Nev till you figure out a lot of the north wing and beat the dragons in the way first. Figured a 2 or 3 week commitment with a pool of 50 or so level 60ish players in top of the line gear to get there. She isn't one of the harder dragons of the zone, but is formidable, and her AE will smash raids not ready for it.
Cloak is one of her rarer drops imho, she drops 1-3 items per kill (very rarely one, usually 2, uncommonly 3). In about 10 killings of her, have 3 cloaks total. Probably less than 8 exist across all servers, I'd guess.
Lady Nevedaria- 36 well equipped people with 230ish MR at least for each could take her. Average is closer to probably a 50 person or so force. Realistically, you won't be able to drop Nev till you figure out a lot of the north wing and beat the dragons in the way first. Figured a 2 or 3 week commitment with a pool of 50 or so level 60ish players in top of the line gear to get there. She isn't one of the harder dragons of the zone, but is formidable, and her AE will smash raids not ready for it.
Cloak is one of her rarer drops imho, she drops 1-3 items per kill (very rarely one, usually 2, uncommonly 3). In about 10 killings of her, have 3 cloaks total. Probably less than 8 exist across all servers, I'd guess.
Anonymous
yes ToV is full out balls to the wall raid force zone 4-6+ full groups of L58+...Best to have 100+ all resists and able to get over 200+ per encounter as needed...it is a neat zone tho...just plan on long CR's if thing go bad, and they will till you and your raiding party learn the mobs and the zone...
some warlock
some warlock
Anonymous
I forgot to address the haste issue for warriors. It is true that haste is very important to warriors. However, at higher levels, warriors will ALWAYS be grouped and ALMOST ALWAYS have an enchanter in the group. Yes, haste items will stack with some chanter haste spells, but back slot is not the only slot where high end haste items can fit. Ever heard of the Runebranded Girdle? Runed Bolster Belt (equivalent to cloak of flames btw), Belt of Contention? Belt of the Four Winds? all excellent haste items with nice AC/stats to go along with haste. FBSS is not the only belt haste item people :)
Anonymous
Saying an item is great for a class is one thing.... This *is* a *great* item for all the classes listed... But we just need to be realistic in where it would find the most use.
Anonymous
I play a Warrior (level 54) and a Druid (level 42). All of you who are saying this is not good for a druid or not good for a warrior or any of that crap is wrong. Verant made this cloak usable by those classes because it is USEFUL to all of those classes. The high AC and excellent melee stats are obviously very useful to the warrior class. And for a druid, 15 wisdom and 50 mana is INSANE for a back slot item. The only thing i know of that comes close to this is a white dragonscale cloak which is 9 wis i believe. So if I was leading a ToV raid i would most definately lotto this to rangers, druids and warriors.
I didn't say anything about rangers because I'm not experienced with them. But from the looks of it, it looks like it could benefit them as well.
I didn't say anything about rangers because I'm not experienced with them. But from the looks of it, it looks like it could benefit them as well.
I'm a Tank. I'm a lvl 55 tank. I'd like this item and wear it most of the time except when I needed the MR/CR/FR or EB effect from my shell. IMO this is better suited for a tank. Druids and Rangers both get the spell for the effect so that is naught and fact is that the ac won't help them as much as it will a tank. But...
THAT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!! The raid leader WILL decide loot PERIOD! No one else.
Now most of the druids and rangers I know would most likely bow out on this item because they would agree it's better for a tank to have but that would be their choice to do. If it dropped on one of my ToV raids the random would be amongst all that could use.
Arguing on the boards about who this or that Tov drop is better for is so stupid. Unless you are hosting the raid you will NOT be deciding who rolls. And if your class is not included on the roll and you pout and leave I doubt there's much chance of you coming back.
THAT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!! The raid leader WILL decide loot PERIOD! No one else.
Now most of the druids and rangers I know would most likely bow out on this item because they would agree it's better for a tank to have but that would be their choice to do. If it dropped on one of my ToV raids the random would be amongst all that could use.
Arguing on the boards about who this or that Tov drop is better for is so stupid. Unless you are hosting the raid you will NOT be deciding who rolls. And if your class is not included on the roll and you pout and leave I doubt there's much chance of you coming back.
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First off, yes this is a great cloak and it is pretty good for all of the three classes. Warriors, you are not able to solo in ToV. Period. Rangers, you are not tanks no matter how stacked you are. As for druids, no we can't melee a mob to death, but we do sure inflict some major damage, and when we do get aggroed, that AC can make a difference. When taunt doest work the first time and your casters take some serious damage, what do you do when it happends again? So the truth of the matter is, you all are complaining over nothing. Yes, this cloak has its benifits to all the classes. Verant obviously made this cloak so limited for a reason. So give it a rest guys/gals.
Crysivil Naturcry
30th Druid of Tunare
Nox Secuutus
Crysivil Naturcry
30th Druid of Tunare
Nox Secuutus
Anonymous
I play a 50+ Ranger, basically what we are looking at here is an item that can go either way, Ranger or Warrior, depending on other equipment they have. Sadly, I dont see this as a druid item simply for the fact the AC is just too high, plus the stats are seemingly melee aimmed moreso than caster. But.. Rangers *can* benefit from the WIS / Mana just as much as the other stats, but that isnt the big thing.
The big thing with this item is the lack of haste. Haste is key and warriors need to reserve a slot for haste, most commonly the back slot because of the Higher AC with the Haste. Rangers on the other hand, have haste on their Epic ( SwiftWind ), which, except for a few very rare UberRangers, use their Epic all the time. If the warrior has a haste back item, getting this item as a replacement is a big NO-NO!
Basically it is a toss up, if the warrior has a good haste item in a different slot, then I say let him roll with the rangers, if has haste item is in the back slot, he shouldnt roll because haste means more than anything.
Now... you are going to tell me that rangers dont tank. Well no, cant really say we can out-right tank. Our tanking is situational, relying alot on slows and such, luckily though, EarthCaller has a slow proc, but that isnt the point :)
No, we cant tank UberMobs, but we do need to stay alive and deal damage. This item *will* help us stay alive longer. I am also assuming noone under 60 is getting this item so everyone has full access to everything. Someone mentioned earlier that rangers cant tank because they need a defensive discipline. I hate to break this to yall, but rangers DO have one and it lasts the longest amount of time between all the classes, lasting 20 seconds, ample time for the warrior to pull back aggro. Ranger damage should never be over looked... EVER.
That is my 2 cents.
The big thing with this item is the lack of haste. Haste is key and warriors need to reserve a slot for haste, most commonly the back slot because of the Higher AC with the Haste. Rangers on the other hand, have haste on their Epic ( SwiftWind ), which, except for a few very rare UberRangers, use their Epic all the time. If the warrior has a haste back item, getting this item as a replacement is a big NO-NO!
Basically it is a toss up, if the warrior has a good haste item in a different slot, then I say let him roll with the rangers, if has haste item is in the back slot, he shouldnt roll because haste means more than anything.
Now... you are going to tell me that rangers dont tank. Well no, cant really say we can out-right tank. Our tanking is situational, relying alot on slows and such, luckily though, EarthCaller has a slow proc, but that isnt the point :)
No, we cant tank UberMobs, but we do need to stay alive and deal damage. This item *will* help us stay alive longer. I am also assuming noone under 60 is getting this item so everyone has full access to everything. Someone mentioned earlier that rangers cant tank because they need a defensive discipline. I hate to break this to yall, but rangers DO have one and it lasts the longest amount of time between all the classes, lasting 20 seconds, ample time for the warrior to pull back aggro. Ranger damage should never be over looked... EVER.
That is my 2 cents.
Scholar
40 posts
Evedently you never played a druid.... I got a lvl 34 Druid and in most of the groups I am in, I got Higher AC than some Warriors and Rangers. (and im not a twink) So don't give me that "Druids Dont Melee Past 20" crap. That line is old and you know it. Druids have been taking a new role latly and some I know still go back to thier roots and melee/Cast, If thier role is Prim Healer, then is Melee/Heal, until half mana then they fall back, but Thats all dependant on the druid's Controler. If you see me out on the field, I will most likly be swings with the rest of them. y? BECAUSE we are a Melee/healer/caster Hybrid, We got the best of all 3. Great Buffs and Heals, Great Nukes and Dots, and we can deal damage the old fashioned way.
And Rangers Compared to Druids... you dont need wis/mana at all. your spells are basicly crap.. you are 2 spells ranks behind us, at 44 you get the basic spells we get at 34, your better at melee and thats granted.
Anyways enough with correcting you. This is a Great item for Druids, 15 Wis and 50 Mana... Plus some other Bonuses that are ALWAYS useful..
BTW before you think that I have gotten myself killed swinging at a mob before, I can honestly say that I have never been killed by a mob I was assisting on. I die more Soloing simply because of spells resisting and going out of mana alone.
And Rangers Compared to Druids... you dont need wis/mana at all. your spells are basicly crap.. you are 2 spells ranks behind us, at 44 you get the basic spells we get at 34, your better at melee and thats granted.
Anyways enough with correcting you. This is a Great item for Druids, 15 Wis and 50 Mana... Plus some other Bonuses that are ALWAYS useful..
BTW before you think that I have gotten myself killed swinging at a mob before, I can honestly say that I have never been killed by a mob I was assisting on. I die more Soloing simply because of spells resisting and going out of mana alone.
47 posts
OMFG, the melee druid. Get a clue.
Parse your damage sometime Conan.
Compare it to say, a bard's (weakest melee hybrid).
If you still don't feel stupid, then compare it to a ranger/paladin/SK's parsed damage.
Now, sit down and med p0nk, the damage you can deal from the mana you can med up is far superior to the paltry melee damage you do.
Parse your damage sometime Conan.
Compare it to say, a bard's (weakest melee hybrid).
If you still don't feel stupid, then compare it to a ranger/paladin/SK's parsed damage.
Now, sit down and med p0nk, the damage you can deal from the mana you can med up is far superior to the paltry melee damage you do.
Anonymous
Actually I have a lvl 42 Druid, TYVM. I melee with him from time to time in groups, but I know one key thing.... The group doesnt need my melee damage. Not at all... it doesnt benefit the group except for maybe cutting a few rounds off the fight. A druid is more benefit managing his mana pool then meleeing. More mana = Faster Pulls = Better XP. Druids arent hybrids... they are casters, and to say they are hybrids just boggles my mind.
Also.. to say my spells are crap... Then please, explain to me why I find myself constantly medding on raids and doing some of *your* jobs? Sure you are better spell casters, but Ranger spell casting isnt pointless, do some more research please, then maybe you will figure it out.
Basically you are jumping on my case because you dont understand. That is fine, but I assure you... if the raid leader has any common sense at all, he will not award this *AC* item to a non-meleeing class. That is the "rules" of the High Level Game... I am sorry to break it to you. As a Ranger there are alot of loot I have to miss out on as well because of these "rules", but I dont complain, this item will goto a WAR or RNG, and I wouldnt mind seeing it in either hands, but the warrior just has to be smart and figure out his haste situation.
Also.. to say my spells are crap... Then please, explain to me why I find myself constantly medding on raids and doing some of *your* jobs? Sure you are better spell casters, but Ranger spell casting isnt pointless, do some more research please, then maybe you will figure it out.
Basically you are jumping on my case because you dont understand. That is fine, but I assure you... if the raid leader has any common sense at all, he will not award this *AC* item to a non-meleeing class. That is the "rules" of the High Level Game... I am sorry to break it to you. As a Ranger there are alot of loot I have to miss out on as well because of these "rules", but I dont complain, this item will goto a WAR or RNG, and I wouldnt mind seeing it in either hands, but the warrior just has to be smart and figure out his haste situation.
Anonymous
where to begin, where to begin...
First off, if you have higher ac than war's in your group (unbuffed), than you have to be twinked, or those warriors a prety pathetic. We can't hold a candle to any warrior dual weilding two weapons, they have better weapons, higher skill, and basically have a chance to hit 4 times to our 1 time. To even compare druid melee to fighter melee justs shows our ignorance on the subject. We are in no way shape or form a melee/caster/healer hybrid. Perhaps we can get a few good swings in below 30, and maybe even up to 40. but by the time we could go on a ToV raid our skills would be so far behind you would be lucky to even hit one mob there once, for partial damage. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
"and rangers compared to druids... you don't ned wis mana at all. your spells are basically crap."
Once again, you show you have no clue what you are talking about. Rangers do need wis mana, not as much as druid do, but yes they do. It is true that they get thier spells later than druids, but there spells are not crap, and they get many spell that druids never even get.
It is a fact that high lvl druids can not melee, get over it. Post 30 your melee days are over. If you are the prime healer in a group, and you are meleeing instead of medding...the group should really reconsider having you part of thier party.
If our on a ToV raid, and insist to try and melee ever mob with your scimmy... i can assure you, you won' be asked back for another raid.
Please, don't tell high lvl people how to play thier druid when you are only lvl 34, you really have no idea what you are talking about
First off, if you have higher ac than war's in your group (unbuffed), than you have to be twinked, or those warriors a prety pathetic. We can't hold a candle to any warrior dual weilding two weapons, they have better weapons, higher skill, and basically have a chance to hit 4 times to our 1 time. To even compare druid melee to fighter melee justs shows our ignorance on the subject. We are in no way shape or form a melee/caster/healer hybrid. Perhaps we can get a few good swings in below 30, and maybe even up to 40. but by the time we could go on a ToV raid our skills would be so far behind you would be lucky to even hit one mob there once, for partial damage. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
"and rangers compared to druids... you don't ned wis mana at all. your spells are basically crap."
Once again, you show you have no clue what you are talking about. Rangers do need wis mana, not as much as druid do, but yes they do. It is true that they get thier spells later than druids, but there spells are not crap, and they get many spell that druids never even get.
It is a fact that high lvl druids can not melee, get over it. Post 30 your melee days are over. If you are the prime healer in a group, and you are meleeing instead of medding...the group should really reconsider having you part of thier party.
If our on a ToV raid, and insist to try and melee ever mob with your scimmy... i can assure you, you won' be asked back for another raid.
Please, don't tell high lvl people how to play thier druid when you are only lvl 34, you really have no idea what you are talking about
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Ahh...I love the warriors are essential comments. This seems to always be the fallback argument for warriors so they can always getting whatever armor loots they want. Basically what this says is because some warrior believes he is the best tank he should always get armor over pallys, sks and rangers. Ummm...nice. Generally a warrior will be the main tank but that doesn't mean you get dibs on all the best equip, folks do play 90% of the time in dungeons hunting xps and loots and this and other items would work just swell for those occasions. Until an item ONLY works against epic encounters don't tell me that's what it's for. This item would be great for any of the listed classes and I don't think anyone should be ruled out. Since VI made this available to other classes there must be a reason I would think. Riddle me this...if this item was say the best back slot item for rangers but was the 7th best for warriors who should get it then? Think about it and be fair.
There are NO always so deal with it and try and enjoy the game a bit more. No one likes a loot *****.
There are NO always so deal with it and try and enjoy the game a bit more. No one likes a loot *****.
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hehe, well, warriors are completely defined by what they're carrying.. they don't have anything to do but melee. poor things =p of course, that means they get to wear many different types of armour, including this. it's an option for them.
just an option, though.. there are many other things to choose from as a warrior. so it's entirely up to the good judgement of the raid leader who sees this drop, where it goes.. if my main tank just had an old world cloak for some crazy reason, who is going to roll against them? ac 35 versus maybe ac 10? 12? entirely different if they had a ct shield or something on their back.
it's all in the situation =) nothing is absolute. i sure hope noone reading this would deny a ranger or even druid this item for the sake of 5 ac or something, on the grounds that warriors have a special entitlement to *all* the nice armour class drops.
and while i don't like people who just powerlevel their way to 60 (missing the point i think), i think it's a little out of line for that previous poster to lamblast people who enjoy hunting in dungeons more than raiding. many of my friends can't just spend 12 hours straight raiding..
charmian d`arxx, conjurer and grandmaster smith of erollisi marr
just an option, though.. there are many other things to choose from as a warrior. so it's entirely up to the good judgement of the raid leader who sees this drop, where it goes.. if my main tank just had an old world cloak for some crazy reason, who is going to roll against them? ac 35 versus maybe ac 10? 12? entirely different if they had a ct shield or something on their back.
it's all in the situation =) nothing is absolute. i sure hope noone reading this would deny a ranger or even druid this item for the sake of 5 ac or something, on the grounds that warriors have a special entitlement to *all* the nice armour class drops.
and while i don't like people who just powerlevel their way to 60 (missing the point i think), i think it's a little out of line for that previous poster to lamblast people who enjoy hunting in dungeons more than raiding. many of my friends can't just spend 12 hours straight raiding..
charmian d`arxx, conjurer and grandmaster smith of erollisi marr
So quick to say warrior?
hmm warrior without haste item on back... lets see how well they can keep aggro.
Perhaps a few do have grey suede boots.. belt of four winds, or something else near cof speed.
Otherwise rbb or rbg? Those are slow,
Before you declare this to be the best warrior item, remember where most haste is, back.
Cloak of firestorm is a bit less ac, but has higher stats and haste.
Warriors should always get the highest ac/hp items where they can improve. Removing their haste wont help.
hmm warrior without haste item on back... lets see how well they can keep aggro.
Perhaps a few do have grey suede boots.. belt of four winds, or something else near cof speed.
Otherwise rbb or rbg? Those are slow,
Before you declare this to be the best warrior item, remember where most haste is, back.
Cloak of firestorm is a bit less ac, but has higher stats and haste.
Warriors should always get the highest ac/hp items where they can improve. Removing their haste wont help.
I guess you've never heard of Gauntlets of Dragon Slaying (41% Haste), Silver Bracelet of Speed (41%), Feliux's Cord of Velocity (41%), Spiked Seahorse Hide Belt (34%), Cowl of Mortality (36%?), or any other number of haste items for slots other than the waist or back. I doubt the 5% haste difference between a CoF and RBB is going to make or break you anyway.
LOL isn't it great when ppl try to say which class is the best? how utterly demented. It all depends on how you play your character as to who is the best tank, not what class. I've known some crappy war tanks, and great pally tanks, so deal with it. No one is better than any other!
~Shallana Wolfbane
Ranger of the 23rd season
Circle of Veneratio
Tholuxe Paells
~Shallana Wolfbane
Ranger of the 23rd season
Circle of Veneratio
Tholuxe Paells
#Anonymous,
Posted: Aug 01 2001 at 6:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) give me a break, who really cares.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Aug 01 2001 at 6:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) angelwind you seem to be full of wind to make a post that long on an item that you cant use. i would save my breath talking about stuff that i could use instead on putting everyone else down
Ok to all the people saying warriors should not have been included. You're no damn better than those stupid monks screaming monk item on every 0.0 piece that drops. STFU
Rangers Druids Paladins sk's, Just go ahead and try to main tank vindicator. Just go ahead and do it. Not all the gear in the world will save you.
A warrior is required! Warriors are the real tanks in this game. Warriors are the ones who "need" the ac. This is a "raid" item. So all you idiotic level 55 and under people who still hang out in exp groups get a clue. This will be defaulted to warriors in raids. You know why? Because the loot leaders KNOW that warriors will need this to tank better for the GUILD. You're not going to get this in a single group. Rangers? forget it your hp sucks too much to tank you will die as fast as the wimpy little druid.. Druids? forget it, ac isnt going to help you when you get quaded for 600. Bye druid Bye ranger. And neither of you will ever get this item. You know why? Because warriors are the ones who get the High AC gear. Warriors are the only ones who tank level 70+ mobs. 35 AC is a godsend. One of the finest cloaks in the game. 12 str 12 sta 12 dex 100 hp. That has warrior written all over it. Rangers are druids are listen incase the warriors already have one.
I am tired of newbie rangers coming here and ******** about how they should get a 35 ac cloak over a warrior. Get a life, you're not tanks. Rangers = Damage doers not damage takers. Paladins and Sk's can't even compete with a warrior when it comes to uber mobs. By the time you're at this level you're not killing pathetic little drolvargs in karnors or frogs in seb. You're fighting ubers where the warrioris always the main tank. And if warrior is not taking damage everyone else is dying. Get a clue before you start making idiotic assumptions about items you'll never see. I am mad, flame me for all I care, Verant should have put warrior only on this.
Saves a lengthy post like this. I still don't think i got my point across to newbies who think rangers are tanks. IF a ranger could ever get 1500 ac and was level 60. would still need 10 more 20 rangers to = 1 60 warrior with 1300 ac with DEFENSIVE DISCIPLINE and defensive skills such as parry riposte and dodge.
/rude rangers who think they're better tanks than warriors.
/rude idiots who think rangers are tanks
/rude newbies who troll boards gathering there only info from spoiler sites and are still level 15.
Rangers Druids Paladins sk's, Just go ahead and try to main tank vindicator. Just go ahead and do it. Not all the gear in the world will save you.
A warrior is required! Warriors are the real tanks in this game. Warriors are the ones who "need" the ac. This is a "raid" item. So all you idiotic level 55 and under people who still hang out in exp groups get a clue. This will be defaulted to warriors in raids. You know why? Because the loot leaders KNOW that warriors will need this to tank better for the GUILD. You're not going to get this in a single group. Rangers? forget it your hp sucks too much to tank you will die as fast as the wimpy little druid.. Druids? forget it, ac isnt going to help you when you get quaded for 600. Bye druid Bye ranger. And neither of you will ever get this item. You know why? Because warriors are the ones who get the High AC gear. Warriors are the only ones who tank level 70+ mobs. 35 AC is a godsend. One of the finest cloaks in the game. 12 str 12 sta 12 dex 100 hp. That has warrior written all over it. Rangers are druids are listen incase the warriors already have one.
I am tired of newbie rangers coming here and ******** about how they should get a 35 ac cloak over a warrior. Get a life, you're not tanks. Rangers = Damage doers not damage takers. Paladins and Sk's can't even compete with a warrior when it comes to uber mobs. By the time you're at this level you're not killing pathetic little drolvargs in karnors or frogs in seb. You're fighting ubers where the warrioris always the main tank. And if warrior is not taking damage everyone else is dying. Get a clue before you start making idiotic assumptions about items you'll never see. I am mad, flame me for all I care, Verant should have put warrior only on this.
Saves a lengthy post like this. I still don't think i got my point across to newbies who think rangers are tanks. IF a ranger could ever get 1500 ac and was level 60. would still need 10 more 20 rangers to = 1 60 warrior with 1300 ac with DEFENSIVE DISCIPLINE and defensive skills such as parry riposte and dodge.
/rude rangers who think they're better tanks than warriors.
/rude idiots who think rangers are tanks
/rude newbies who troll boards gathering there only info from spoiler sites and are still level 15.
A convincing argument to be sure, Angel, albeit a bit on the negative edge.
But I'd lean towards the reasonings presented in a few posts after this one:
a) this may be the best (or very close to the best) cloak that a Ranger or Druid could EVER hope for, while this same cloak would be like number 7 or 8 on a Warrior's Best of the Best list and
b) the greatest Warrior haste items take up the back slot. Sacrificing that haste may impede one of the Warrior's main functions at the high-level end of the game: to hold (uber)mob aggro.
Besides, for some reason it just GALLS me to see wasted stats on an item...I don't know why :)
Khemosaabe "SPAM" Longbow (of Cazic Thule server)
Lvl 51 Ranger and Slayer-of-Bunny-Wabbits
"...Rooms are 10 dollars a minute...but YOU look like a 5 dollar brotha..."
But I'd lean towards the reasonings presented in a few posts after this one:
a) this may be the best (or very close to the best) cloak that a Ranger or Druid could EVER hope for, while this same cloak would be like number 7 or 8 on a Warrior's Best of the Best list and
b) the greatest Warrior haste items take up the back slot. Sacrificing that haste may impede one of the Warrior's main functions at the high-level end of the game: to hold (uber)mob aggro.
Besides, for some reason it just GALLS me to see wasted stats on an item...I don't know why :)
Khemosaabe "SPAM" Longbow (of Cazic Thule server)
Lvl 51 Ranger and Slayer-of-Bunny-Wabbits
"...Rooms are 10 dollars a minute...but YOU look like a 5 dollar brotha..."
Anonymous
so are rangers/pallies/sks just not supposed to raid uber mobs? as i recall they aoe melee meaning anyonet thats going to be in melee range needs ac sorry buddy.
oh yeah as for the war defensive discipline, how many of those new uber mobs in velious drop in 18sec?
as for the deffensive skills parry/riposte/dodge, yes cause you know war are the only class that get all 3....hell even bards get all 3 of those
oh yeah as for the war defensive discipline, how many of those new uber mobs in velious drop in 18sec?
as for the deffensive skills parry/riposte/dodge, yes cause you know war are the only class that get all 3....hell even bards get all 3 of those
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God you ppls are clueless.
First off, best haste item in game is, i am sorry NOT BACK HASTE. GET THAT STRAIGHT.
First 3 that come to mind.
Yelinaks Talisman
Gauntlets of Dragonslaying
Feliux Cord of Velocity
This cloak of more than probably the BEST warrior cloak in game. Sure, other classes can use, but not to its maximum potential like a warrior.
And for the second person.
Defensive is the lvl55 warrior discipline. Its last 3 MINUTES. Not 18 seconds.
What does it do since you clearly wont know. Its literally shaves off around 40% of the max dmg a monster can do.
That means insteed of hitting you for 1000 max, hell only be able to hit your warrior for 600.
Get buffed ac as high as you can and you can shave that down to 450 due to High AC.
First off, best haste item in game is, i am sorry NOT BACK HASTE. GET THAT STRAIGHT.
First 3 that come to mind.
Yelinaks Talisman
Gauntlets of Dragonslaying
Feliux Cord of Velocity
This cloak of more than probably the BEST warrior cloak in game. Sure, other classes can use, but not to its maximum potential like a warrior.
And for the second person.
Defensive is the lvl55 warrior discipline. Its last 3 MINUTES. Not 18 seconds.
What does it do since you clearly wont know. Its literally shaves off around 40% of the max dmg a monster can do.
That means insteed of hitting you for 1000 max, hell only be able to hit your warrior for 600.
Get buffed ac as high as you can and you can shave that down to 450 due to High AC.
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This cloak of more than probably the BEST warrior cloak in game. Sure, other classes can use, but not to its maximum potential like a warrior.
Well Rangers would get the maximum potential out of this cloak not warriors. Please explain how a warrior will benefit in a uber encounter with the +15wis and +50mana?
Well Rangers would get the maximum potential out of this cloak not warriors. Please explain how a warrior will benefit in a uber encounter with the +15wis and +50mana?
Anonymous
ok it is 3 min.......the real tough fights in velious last what now? AoW took i think 38 min....and reply to my point about the flurying and how the rangers will be taking hits too, so how would the ac not help them too?
"warrior with 1300 ac with DEFENSIVE DISCIPLINE and defensive skills such as parry riposte and dodge"
rangers get parry, riposte, and dodge
SKs get parry, riposte, and dodge
bards get parry, ripost, and dodge
pallys get parry, riposte, and dodge
monks get block, riposte, and dodge
so im just curious as to why you use those to justify a war taking this cloak
"warrior with 1300 ac with DEFENSIVE DISCIPLINE and defensive skills such as parry riposte and dodge"
rangers get parry, riposte, and dodge
SKs get parry, riposte, and dodge
bards get parry, ripost, and dodge
pallys get parry, riposte, and dodge
monks get block, riposte, and dodge
so im just curious as to why you use those to justify a war taking this cloak
Yea, i would have to agree
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hehe dese arguments be silly stuffs. Me be lvl 56 warrior and me current cloak be 10ac...this is 25 better. while me agree that this is awesome cloak for druid and ranger(15wis 50mana) all the rest of the stats are gud for warrior. and effect be better for warrior than the others. Me cannot cast a ds on meself whereas da oders can. But honestly it would probably o to a warrior due to the high ac. Warriors take the damage. If your druids and rangers are tanking...they are doing something wrong and hoping to loose agro to the warrior as soon as possible. But of course me dum troll so what do me know=) And the argument about this being best cloak available for a ranger. Check your nearest high lvl warrior. i can gaurntee that 95% have back slot with at least 10ac less and half the stats..probalby more than that.
Fattus Bigbaddus
Lvl 56 Troll Barsher
Fattus Bigbaddus
Lvl 56 Troll Barsher
I can't remember the item off the bat, but there was one from ToV that offers a similar dilemma to this cloak.
It was an item that was usable and ideally suited for CLR / DRU / SHM... and as an afterthought, MNK was added to its class list :)
Instead of WAR, it probably woulda been good to slap the other WIS casters / hybrids on this item...I'd luv to see a shaman, paladin or cleric cast a Thorncoat on themselves.
But...whut's done is done. The Ranger and the Warrior will get into a tug-o-war over ownership of this fine cloak...while dat rat bastid Druid ninja-loots it! ^_^
Khemosaabe "SPAM" Longbow (of Cazic Thule server)
Lvl 51 Ranger and Slayer-of-Bunny-Wabbits
"What? No gravy??"
It was an item that was usable and ideally suited for CLR / DRU / SHM... and as an afterthought, MNK was added to its class list :)
Instead of WAR, it probably woulda been good to slap the other WIS casters / hybrids on this item...I'd luv to see a shaman, paladin or cleric cast a Thorncoat on themselves.
But...whut's done is done. The Ranger and the Warrior will get into a tug-o-war over ownership of this fine cloak...while dat rat bastid Druid ninja-loots it! ^_^
Khemosaabe "SPAM" Longbow (of Cazic Thule server)
Lvl 51 Ranger and Slayer-of-Bunny-Wabbits
"What? No gravy??"
***** the fact that Paladins SHOULD have been added to this, and that it is *so tragic* <sob sob> that they were not. Think about the druids. You think we're EVER going to get a SNIFF at this item? HA. Not likely.
THAT is tragic. But, what they hell, Warriors are pretty screwed on items anyhow <prays you all note the heavy pile of sarcasm loaded into that last sentence>.
THAT is tragic. But, what they hell, Warriors are pretty screwed on items anyhow <prays you all note the heavy pile of sarcasm loaded into that last sentence>.
errr dude, obviously you don't know **** about warriors. YES, warriors get great equipment. But do you know why? There is NO other class, that depends on his gear as much as a war. Face it, when a war needs a bind, who's gonna do it? Not him, that's for sure (unless he buys himself a couple of those - expensive I heard - Bind potions) Who's gonna sow em? Who's gonna ressurect him? Who's gonna Summon or Drag his corpse? Who's gonna port him? Who's gonna invis him? Who's gonna heal him? The only thing a war has is hp. And I don't know if you noticed, but without AC (yes, that's 1 of the reasons Warriors need gear, it ain't for the looks) even a Goblin scout can take him out. What happens when the fight turns bad? Some of the casters will be sowed, and can outrun the mob. Others will gate, back to their homepoint. Some classes have pets, who can keep the mobs busy while they run. Some will Feign Death. Oh yeah, then, there's the warrior. What does he do? Well, he could try to to run, althou most likely he'll find out he's soon out of stamina jumping, and when people zone in they'll see a corpse, right in front of the zone and say, oh, he didn't make it. Either an oom caster, or a warrior probably. Oh, did I forgot to mention? In case you die, you'll be transported to you gate point. Oh, you're bind in OT and you died in City of Mist? Ouch, kinda sucks there eh bud. Passing all those mobs, they can see you walking by, a warrior without his equipment, without his pride. You'll just all those red, yellow, black, blue, and yes even the green ones, will feel so sorry for you not to attack. Die on the run? Damn, should have sowed/invised/FD/gated/Hided. Oh oops sorry, you couldn't in the first place. Oh shoo, there goes another lump of ex. Ah well, let's ask around if we can see if there's a cleric around. Ah well, we have monney enough. It's not like we need our monney for gear, and besides, your party will Never complain, even when they feel you're looting awfully lot.
In case a caster dies, what will he say? Bah this suxxor, now I can only cast 5 300damage nukes instead of the 7 I could, till I get my corpse back.
The warrior on the other hand, will have to find someone to sow/invis/... him to retrieve his corpse.
The monk, oh, that really makes me laugh. He died? Hah, he fights almost as good without his gear as with.
Anyway, the point is, I see so many ppl complain, aah aaah the warriors get all the gear. Well then start a war yourself, and you try it. There's NO class that needs his gear as much as a war. You try to walk true an area naked as a war, and another class, and try to get to the other side. We'll see who'll be safest. The invisible caster who can take 1 hit and die, or the visible warrior who can take 3 hits and die.
The mud is always greener or the other side of the swamp. Don't be jealous of a class which is most likely the most helpless one.
In case a caster dies, what will he say? Bah this suxxor, now I can only cast 5 300damage nukes instead of the 7 I could, till I get my corpse back.
The warrior on the other hand, will have to find someone to sow/invis/... him to retrieve his corpse.
The monk, oh, that really makes me laugh. He died? Hah, he fights almost as good without his gear as with.
Anyway, the point is, I see so many ppl complain, aah aaah the warriors get all the gear. Well then start a war yourself, and you try it. There's NO class that needs his gear as much as a war. You try to walk true an area naked as a war, and another class, and try to get to the other side. We'll see who'll be safest. The invisible caster who can take 1 hit and die, or the visible warrior who can take 3 hits and die.
The mud is always greener or the other side of the swamp. Don't be jealous of a class which is most likely the most helpless one.
Rorroh,
Ever try a corpse retrieval as a cleric? Not only can you rely on not getting a rez from your group (unless you happen to have 2 clerics in the party), we have low hp, a laughable set of defensive skills and nearly no firepower.
I'm not saying that I b*tch about bein' one. After all, it, along with _every other class_ has its good and bad points. Wizards may have spells on the way to get their corpses (which should be a short trip, along with every other bindable class), but you can bet your planar gear that one green mob will lay waste to him or her if it aggroes before they see it. With low hp and no ac or defensive skills, unless they get a root off in time and manage to make it stick, it wouldn't matter if they had 1,000,000 points of dd to cast, they'd never get the spell off.
The point I'm trying to make is this: Despite the stats that are on this cloak for warrior reasons, there are also a few stats that cater to the druid and ranger class as well. As a warrior, give me a haste cloak any day and let the healer worry about where my hp is going to when I'm taunting a mob away from everyone else. That's what defines the warrior as the best tank, not high ac, not the multiple defensive abilities, and certainly not the fact that he has no other abilities to fall back on when it comes to corpse retrieval. Ask any pally about that. Last time I checked, they were even worse off in that regard.
8p
Ever try a corpse retrieval as a cleric? Not only can you rely on not getting a rez from your group (unless you happen to have 2 clerics in the party), we have low hp, a laughable set of defensive skills and nearly no firepower.
I'm not saying that I b*tch about bein' one. After all, it, along with _every other class_ has its good and bad points. Wizards may have spells on the way to get their corpses (which should be a short trip, along with every other bindable class), but you can bet your planar gear that one green mob will lay waste to him or her if it aggroes before they see it. With low hp and no ac or defensive skills, unless they get a root off in time and manage to make it stick, it wouldn't matter if they had 1,000,000 points of dd to cast, they'd never get the spell off.
The point I'm trying to make is this: Despite the stats that are on this cloak for warrior reasons, there are also a few stats that cater to the druid and ranger class as well. As a warrior, give me a haste cloak any day and let the healer worry about where my hp is going to when I'm taunting a mob away from everyone else. That's what defines the warrior as the best tank, not high ac, not the multiple defensive abilities, and certainly not the fact that he has no other abilities to fall back on when it comes to corpse retrieval. Ask any pally about that. Last time I checked, they were even worse off in that regard.
8p
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 01 2001 at 4:15 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) /cheer couldnt have said it better im tired of all these people whining about the class that CONSTITANTLY SAVES CASTER AND HYBRIDS ASSES by tanking because they cant get the "phat lewts" and im sorry if your 55 you should have maxed wis by now..and if you dont just solo damned hill giants to get money to buy gear if your to lazy to camp items that are actually suited to you
Scholar
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Just one small point... yes, at level 55 a druid would have maxxed his wis by then. However, if they got this cloak, they would be able to free up other slots for resist gear or other things that would more benefit them in the higher levels.
Ventoria Tymmora
51 Reaver
Angelinae Verra
51 Wanderer
Solusek Ro
Ventoria Tymmora
51 Reaver
Angelinae Verra
51 Wanderer
Solusek Ro
Scholar
29 posts
Why were paladins snubbed for that matter, are they not wisdom casters as well. Warrior makes no sense at all on this, I would think Paladin, Ranger, Druid would be the ones that would make the most use out of an item like this.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 31 2001 at 8:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) To be completely truthful, considering the name and the effect, I think the classes should be only ranger and druid. Granted it gives good stats that would be useful to a Paladin, but shouldn't a Paladin have something named the Cloak of the Reighteous, or some such? I am at a loss for why warriors were included...it doesn't make sense as to the name/roleplay aspect of the item, and warriors being included while Paladins are not makes even less sense.
IMO they should make it a wood elf only item... for RP reasons and the name of the cloak sort of fits the wood elf personality.
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Why waste 50 mana and 15 wis on a warrior? Rangers (to the most degree) and druids would benifit this far more for the added hp (face it, it's far easier to get sta and hp as a warrior than a caster or a hybrid) plus the mana and stats. Yes though, I do understand a warriors reasons for wanting this for ac. If you do, just get a lodi shield, far easier to get anyway and same ac.
Whenever an item is suitable for more than one class, ppl start arguing. Ack!
Get a Lodi shield yourself Aalweina :) It has wis too hehe.. Why anyone would waste this on a warrior is cause of the nice stats: who cares about 15wis and 50mana. I think both warriors and rangers would get the chance to get this before a druid. Though leave it to those few guilds who can actually get this item to figure out who will get it. End of discussion. :D
Get a Lodi shield yourself Aalweina :) It has wis too hehe.. Why anyone would waste this on a warrior is cause of the nice stats: who cares about 15wis and 50mana. I think both warriors and rangers would get the chance to get this before a druid. Though leave it to those few guilds who can actually get this item to figure out who will get it. End of discussion. :D
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