My Response to 48 Hours

Last Friday, the CBS News Magazine 48 Hours broadcast a story about Everquest as part of a show about addiction. This broadcast showed such a serious lack of journalistic integrity and left so many questions unanswered that I feel compelled to respond. Clearly, in this case true journalism was set aside, and CBS instead came up with what they thought was a juicy premise and then manufactured the facts to fit, purposefully ignoring the multitude of other facts that repudiated their predetermined storyline. In doing so, they insulted and belittled the hundreds of thousands of us who play and enjoy online games and have no difficulty integrating our hobby into our regular daily lives. (I’m including the DAoC site in this editorial because there is no doubt that had they focused on that game, their premise would have remained the same). The title of their show was “Addiction”, so let me start with the word itself. All too often our media adopts a viable scientific or medical term and warps it far beyond its original meaning to the point where the term loses all actual meaning. Addiction is one of those terms. I am sorry, but Everquest is not addictive. Neither is eating, working, having sex, or any of the myriad other activities our press loves to call addictive. To call Everquest addictive is an insult to the many people out there who are struggling to overcome the many serious and valid debilitating addictions in our world. An addictive substance is something you need, not want, and no matter how you look at it, nobody needs to play Everquest. Playing Everquest is definitely a lot of fun, and some may prefer playing it to doing any of the other activities life may offer, even to the point of ignoring things society deems important. This is not an addiction, but rather a lack of self control. A man sweating with the anguish of withdrawal from his normal dose of heroin is addicted and in need to help to kick his habit. His body needs that heroin. A man who plays Everquest to the point where he ignores his family, job and life is simply out of control. He may want to keep playing the game, but he does not need it. There is a difference. CBS’s premise that this is some sort of evil game that sucks the mind out of its players and causes them to lose control of their lives is simply ridiculous. If someone loses control of his life, it is likely that he would have found some other way to do it even if he did not find Everquest. It makes for a juicy headline, but really is tabloid journalism at its worst. Even more tabloid journalism was the presentation itself. Is there any doubt that 48 Hours interviewed hundreds of people and kept rejecting person after person for being too normal or because the game did not have any negative impact on their lives before picking their eventual subjects? Even the player they eventually did decide to film hardly supported their premise, although they used every trick in their book to make it seem that he did. It’s obvious they had no intention of presenting an unbiased article and routinely rejected anything that contradicted the story they wanted to make. They instead wanted to shock the viewer and make him believe that there are hundreds of thousands of mentally unstable gaming addicts playing this online video game who are probably just steps away from killing themselves and who knows how many others. Obviously the CBS motto is to never let the facts get in the way of a good story. The player they finally chose to interview was a doctor who played Everquest about 20 hours a week. He seemed to be a fairly normal person with a normal family life. They obviously chose him because his wife complained that she wished that he spent less time playing Everquest and more time with his family. The implication was clear that this was an otherwise good and normal man hopelessly corrupted by this evil game. Funny, but I saw something else. Here is a man who manages to hold down a high pressure job, is a loving husband, properly raises his children and provides for his family. Yet CBS wants to excoriate him for stealing 20 hours a week of private time for himself, because he does it playing a video game and, quite frankly, they think that’s weird. They showed him sitting there fighting something in the game and then zoomed in to the reporter so that she could arch her eyebrows and look properly horrified that anyone would be silly enough to waste his time on something like that. “Look”, she said, “he even has trouble looking away from the screen when I’m talking to him”. Oh if only he hadn’t met this evil game, he would surely be the perfect husband and father. Let me add something up here. CBS sports is a very profitable part of their network. Watching two Sunday NFL games takes a good 7 hours. A single college game on Saturday is another 3 ½ hours and there are games on all day long. Add in a couple baseball, basketball or hockey games during the week and you can easily add up to 20 hours watching sports on TV for just your average sports fan. A dedicated sports fan would of course go much higher than that. I’m guessing if that was his hobby, 48 Hours would have never come knocking at his door. “Man ignores family to watch football” does not make as tantalizing a headline as “Man becomes addicted to evil video game”. I don’t see CBS urging their sports division to put a warning label at the bottom of every football game warning that watching sports can be addictive and cause you to spend time away from your family. His wife should be glad he is not going out to the bars every night with his friends like many other men and women and that he instead found a way to blow off steam that keeps him at home and available when she needs him and that comes at a relatively small cost. She was never asked, but would any of us be surprised to find out that the wife who is complaining so much about her husband’s game playing spends far more than 20 hours a week watching television or shopping. I would think just about anyone spends at least 20 hours a week on personal projects and hobbies. Playing golf, sports, television, reading, and shopping are a few obvious examples of activities people spend long hours at, but there are plenty of others. Of course that wouldn’t fit into CBS’s concept for the show, so those facts simply got ignored. Besides, they want to make him look weird, not normal, and pointing that out would simply remind people that this isn’t really all that odd after all. He’s playing a video game, so there must be something wrong with him. This is after all a tabloid and not a real news show. 48 Hours also interviewed Ben Stein about his son’s Everquest playing. I guess this was to show that even pseudo-celebrities like him are not immune to this scourge. (If they wanted to interview a celebrity, why not a real one who actually plays Everquest like Curt Schilling? – Oh yeah, Curt would have told them they were full of it and blown a hole in their whole false and demeaning premise). Am I the only one struck by Mr. Stein’s method of stopping his son from playing EQ? He sent him off to a boarding school where, according to Mr. Stein, they did not allow games like that to be played. After a stint of time away from Everquest, and not coincidentally away from his parents, he was suddenly cured. (and I’m glad we were spared the manufactured scenes of his son lying in bed at the boarding house, body shaking and sweating profusely, and mewing pitifully about “just one more orc, please just one more”). Well, Ben, why didn’t you just not allow those games at your house? If your son is playing video games to what you consider an excess, maybe you should just put your foot down and pull the plug on his computer. If he instead spent his time downloading online porn, would you have let him do that for a while until you finally threw up your hands and sent him off to a porn-free school somewhere? Who is the problem here? The teenager who plays a game to excess, or for that matter does anything to excess, or the parent who allows it? Sorry Ben, but don’t blame the manufacturer of a game for your bad parenting. Finally, there is poor Mrs. Woolley. It must be terrible to lose a son, and we all feel sympathy for her. But eventually she is going to have to face up to the fact that Everquest did not have anything to do with it. Shawn was a troubled and mentally disturbed child and had been so for all of his life. Something was bound to set him off eventually. Maybe it was indeed something that happened to him in the game. Everquest is after all populated with real people, and the inability to interact with people seemed to be at the root of his mental illness. It really could have been just about anything that brought about his suicide. The unfortunate fact in life is that sometimes bad things happen and there’s not much we can do about it. Blaming Everquest for her son’s death probably makes Mrs. Woolley feel better and gives her an outlet for her grief, and you know what? I really have no problem with that. Let her deal with her grief in whatever manner she wishes. What is wrong is for a news outlet like CBS to exploit her grief for the sake of their ratings. And make no mistake that this is pure exploitation on their part. “Satanic Video game convinces man to commit suicide” was just too good a headline for them to resist. The tabloid journalists who make up the 48 Hours staff must have truly started salivating when they thought that one up. So they hauled their cameras into that poor woman’s living room and helped feed her delusion so that they could broadcast it to the rest of the world and sell a lot of commercials. Frankly, this part makes me sicker than any other part of their story. Manufacturing facts to make up a false story you hope will bring big ratings makes you a poor journalist, but exploiting a mother’s suffering and grief from the death of her son for those ratings makes you a poor human being. The journalists who made their trek to the Woolley residence to get their juicy video game murder story were simply parasites feeding on that poor woman’s grief and delusions. I’d like to think that Susan Spencer, the journalist who did this story, has a little more trouble sleeping a night because of her actions, but unfortunately I doubt it bothers her in the least. It is sad to see that the network of the great Walter Cronkite has sunk to such depths. I had always thought journalism was about facts first and story second. Yet CBS managed to do an entire story on the supposedly addictive and evil nature of this game without displaying a single fact to prove it and by ignoring the many facts that disprove it. In the end they made fun of something they know nothing about, exploited something that should be pitied instead, and succeeded in nothing more than insulting the hundreds of thousands of people who consider playing Everquest and other video games a normal, healthy and enjoyable part of their lives. For what it’s worth, they also lost my respect and viewer ship. If you wish to contact CBS about this show, here is the contact information: 48 Hours 524 West 57th St. New York, NY 10019 E-MAIL: 48hours@cbsnews.com. PHONE: (212) 975-3247
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# Oct 23 2002 at 2:53 AM Rating: Default
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please use paragraphs if you're writing more than a few lines. it's horrible to read and I hardly ever bother to when it's all in 1 big jumble.
Original 48 Hours format
# Oct 23 2002 at 2:22 AM Rating: Decent
I remember when 48 hours came out several years ago. The format was to film something going on for 48 hours (wonder where the title came from?) such as a hospital emergency room. Then take the choice pieces and use the anguish of human suffering or whatever other piece of drama they thought looked good. Now it's just another carbon copy of 60 minutes done by Oprah Winfrey. I haven't watched the show for a long time (long before I heard about EQ) since I didn't like the direction they were going with the show. Most "investigative shows" these days are just as everyone else here has said. Tabloid Journalism for the boob tube.
48 hours
# Oct 23 2002 at 1:43 AM Rating: Default
I have mixed feelings about the broadcast. I do think the game can become addictive, in the same way gambling or any other game or diversion can become addictive. Can it cause harm? Well that depends. It won't cause you to have a heart attack, it won't cause you to kill yourself, it won't cause you to do physical harm to someone else, the way drugs or alcohol could. But if you are neglecting your daily responsibilities to play the game, then it is causing harm. In the story, they showed a man who was by his own admission, jumping on the computer the minute he came home and spending the entire night on there, ignoring and neglecting his family. Now at some point that is going to harm his relationship with his wife and his child. The game isn't doing it, but his involvement to the exclusion of his real life and responsibility are. And he is exhibiting signs of addiction in this manner. Someone who neglects the needs of their family or their job for any obsession, be it a computer game, television, gambling or whatever are exhibiting signs of obsession or addiction. Some people just have addictive or obsessive types of personalities. Some people use these things as an escape. In small doses this is no big deal. It becomes a big deal when it interferes with one's real life. I don't believe for one minute this game or any game was responsible for that kid killing himself and mom is looking for a scapegoat. She all ready admitted that he had psychological problems long before this game came into the picture. Who or what was she blaming at that time? Clearly the kid had a chemical imbalance and should have been on anti-depressants. What he did and how he chose to spend his time was HIS doing. He was a legal adult who made a choice. No one was responsible for the consequences but him. I completely disagree that the further you get into the game the more you get sucked in. In my case, it is quite the opposite. I find that the slower I am leveling as I get futher into it, the less likely I am to spend hours of my time trying to get ahead. I didn't play for a week this past week. I have barely been on since we installed the Planes of Power version. I simply have a life outside of video games. That isn't to say when I do play that I never lose track of time. It is very easy to do that and have done so. It's very easy to get involved. But in a healthy person who is not an addictive personality, it is also very easy to walk away. For these individuals, it isn't EQ that is the problem, it is ANY stimulus that feeds their addictive personality.
sad
# Oct 23 2002 at 1:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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This whole 48 hours thing is just sad. Yes there are people out there that have problems. You may as well interview people who cant handle college and say college is wrong. (I know college is more constructive than EQ, but it's an example.)

Many of *us* play EQ and have no problem. We have ordinary jobs, we enjoy our life. Just because some people have a problem with a product doesn't mean it's bad.
Addiction
# Oct 23 2002 at 1:17 AM Rating: Default
Why don't we ask CBS if they're addicted to money?
CBS has done this before.....
# Oct 23 2002 at 12:37 AM Rating: Default
People, no one should be suprised by this piece at all.
1. Several years ago CBS was doing a piece on how dangerous several models of autos were. One specific example was a Chevrolet truck. The claim was that a poorly placed gas tank had created a design that was unstable and was prone to combustion in side collisions. They then proceeded to "prove" this by filming side impacts from various angles on several of these trucks. All of the impacts resulted in rather spectacular explosions of various sizes and intensities.
My point? It came out shortly after the show aired that they had placed explosives in the trucks....go figure that the C4 would explode when an electric charge was passed through it at the moment of impact. Love that |jo?|urinalistic integrity...
2. Once upon a time it was Elvis, then it was Black Sabbath, Led Zepplin, and The Beatles. Ater awhile Dungeons and Dragons came along and there was a new antichrist on the block. Finally they settled on Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth and their ilk. Its always been there, and it always will be. Remember Geraldo's special on Satanism a decade ago? (Judas Priest made my son shoot himself.../snicker)
3. Its only natural that they try to convince the faithful consumer in front of the tube that the person who spends more time playing a game than watching TV is a freak. We buy less, and provide their advertisers with less revenue for the ad buck.
Damn people, watch less TV, its killing your minds.

Greetings from Lanys, be safe everyone.
RE: CBS has done this before.....
# Oct 23 2002 at 7:06 PM Rating: Default
that sounds strange...

is it onlya rumor? o has it been proven?

1 there are strict guidlines for recalling trucks, an this would have sparked one im sure, along with other testing facilities taking a look.

2 if the idea of c4 being used could ever be proven, cbs,a nd teh producers of the show would be instantly involved in a highly publicized, multi million, potentially billion dollar lawsiut. and they would lose it.

if you have any info onthis plaease post a link, im curious to find out about it
COPE
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:59 PM Rating: Default
I have one word that will solve the worlds problems. COPE..

PS: do away with shrinks/lawyers, most only provide more excuses for people to escape responsibilty.
RE: COPE
# Oct 23 2002 at 2:22 PM Rating: Default
Have you ever been to a "shrink"? You don't escape responsibility you are given tools to help manage and correct the problems in your life and that is HARD WORK. You think seeing a shrink is about being given drugs to make your mind fade away?

I will tell you who is avoiding reponsibility...you are. Ignorance is bliss and that is where you are. Knowledge is power and power is control over your own life. The more you know the more informed decision you can make. Thusly making you an even more powerful member of society.

I'm not saying I agree with 48 Hours..in it's context I do not. What I'm saying is that comments such as yours is sad and ignorant.
RE: COPE
# Oct 24 2002 at 1:50 PM Rating: Default
Ok the 1st person to respond to "cope" this message is for you, please re-read his post he said "most" if you're going to rant and flame make sure you read the post word for word and never did he state anything about drugs. To you sir... "What I'm saying is that comments such as yours is sad and ignorant."

RE: COPE
# Oct 23 2002 at 4:08 PM Rating: Default
I do not avoid responsibility, I confront it my friend. It is what I mean about coping. You face it and deal with it, simple as that. With all these clasifations on problems, we seem to find less and less solutions. It is not hard to deal with things, you just do it. The more you put into the equation, the more you add to nothing. I know plenty, and I have confronted almost all of the problems presented, including addictons, forms of abuse, depression. I have delt with it all on my own, without help, no support. Do not say I am ingnorant, or maybe I am in feeling that if I can do something, others can. As for shrinks and drugs, I never mentioned such, I just have faith that people can handle things on there own. Ignorance is making assumptions about things you know nothing about. When I say cope, I mean just that. I did and everyone else can, even if they feel they can't they can. It is all about point A to point B. What you put in the middle makes the challenge.
Take Care.
Addiction
# Oct 22 2002 at 9:48 PM Rating: Default
ad·dic·tion Pronunciation Key (-dkshn)
n.

Compulsive physiological and psychological need for a habit-forming substance: a drug used in the treatment of heroin addiction.
An instance of this: a person with multiple chemical addictions.

The condition of being habitually or compulsively occupied with or or involved in something.
An instance of this: had an addiction for fast cars.


Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=addiction



Something just occured to me.
# Oct 22 2002 at 8:49 PM Rating: Decent
It just hit me, but going back and reading the articles that came out back in april, Mrs Woolley said she Was sueing everquest. Even had a attorney and everything. Friday on 48 Hours (ugh)she said that she was thinking about sueing.
I'm just curious , but i'd like to know what happened in the past few months? Could she have been told by a legal expert or 2 that her case has no merit?
Again this has nothing to do with that dreadfull piece of yellow journalism that came on last Friday.But ya know i would love to have been a fly on the wall during those metings .
/sigh
# Oct 22 2002 at 7:53 PM Rating: Default
People are always looking for something or someone else to blame for their problems or their shortcomings. As many others have said, anything can be addictive, many things can kill or aid in killing a person.

I don't feel that this game is addictive. EQ is effectively a chat room with a VERY cool game attached to it. The relationships here grow as do RL ones and I have personally watched it rip one person, who I would call "addicted" to this game to ruin their relationship with my best friend (both in EQ and RL).

The kind of person I call addicted to this game aren't necessarily addicted to the game as much as they are the social aspect. People who have trouble forming friendships find them in guilds and end up spending so much time with them that they lose sight of the friends sitting at the computer next to them even.

I think that the section with Ben Stein was a TOTAL joke and I don't even want to talk about how ridiculous the rest of it was-because we all can see that for ourselves.

People are the problem. Some people don't have the sense or desire to make it in RL so they immerse themselves in a fantasy world. That's a choice, not a medical addiction. Just as choosing to kill yourself is a choice-period. There are other options and people are people, so sometimes, very unfortunately bad things happen.

In my case, I must say that EQ addiction did me a service by ridding me of someone questionable in my life. Luckily it was only a frienship instead of life, but people need to start taking responsibility for their actions and QUIT LOOKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO BLAME IT ON!!! /nods

Keep playing and have a good time. Just keep yourself in check so you don't become a statistic for these idiots to use against us!
CBS addiction
# Oct 22 2002 at 7:39 PM Rating: Default
Thanks CBS, I think I am finally able to overcome my addiction to television pseudo-journalism.

I am a professor of marketing at a major university and it is obvious to anyone paying attention that there is very little actual news left on TV. The networks see the news section as a profit center. A few decades ago they saw news as a loss leader and actually attempted to give us something approaching unbiased news. Now they are giving us sound bites and made up stories. It is the same thing with school shootings which have actually declined almost 80% in the past 10 years, but if you watch the news it is a horrible unchecked growning problem. The Bubble Headed Bleached Blonde Talking Heads need something to yack about to attract our attention. So make it up but don't upset a group that has too much power, or is too large, or isnt vocal. If you do then our advertisers will not buy air time and we will lose money. The only way to fight them is to complain to them AND their advertisers. The pocket and the almighty $ is the only thing that gets their attention.
RE: CBS addiction
# Oct 30 2002 at 11:42 PM Rating: Default
amen to that

america is a country founded by horsethieves. the almighty buck is their uncrowned king.

but i dont believe in complaining to advertisers. they dont give a crap if you like something or not. ever see a really annoying commercial on tv? a common strategy is to play it to the point of nausea. but you will remember it.

presumably this works, because it has been a viable method fora long time. one thing we must never forget is that advertising is co-erced indoctrination in almost every form (the only possible excetion to this i can see would be may of the new sepicial interest 'magazines' that have 90%-100% ad content. these fall in the area of catalogues, an people who read them are actually interested in what they are reading).
nobody ever agreed to have comercials on their tv, or pop up ads on their pc, or ads about useless gadgets in their porno mag.
having said this advertisers see the masses as an imbecile, in need of forced manipulation. by annoying you with a commercial, they have created brand recognition and memory in the imbecile.
it is similar to the brain washing technique in burgess' a clockwork orange, an relies on behaviouralism.
as long as it works advertisers couldnt care less if people are happy, or entertained, healthy or sick.

but heaven help them if anything should happen to their almighty flow of cash money. it would cancel their raison d'etre.

knowing this, most individual ppl realize this is the key to controlling advertizing completely. but the masses, cannot realize this because they are an imbecile.

there is only one thing that will make the business world lick your *** and still call it ice cream. keep in mind that when you are spending your money you are not only alowing, but encouraging a given business to exist.

if you dont like a program or ad. cut them off and teach them a lesson. a brief stint in the unemployment line will bring any of those spineless journalists on cbs to heel.

and remember, even though the us government may be rigging electoral votes these days, there is one vote nobody can rig, that of your wallet.

long live the king of america
EQ saved my life
# Oct 22 2002 at 7:10 PM Rating: Good
I'm an introvert who suffers from clinical depression. That, coupled with the fact that I have an aversion to taking prescribed drugs (I take drugs that aren't prescribed tho -- hrm...), makes me a serious suicide risk on a daily basis. All that said, I can tell you with absolute confidence that EQ saved my life.

Your woman in the interview showed her complete and utter ignorance of the game when she said that the people in EQ weren't real. The rejection that the guy received before painting the wall with his skull contents was from a real live woman (or a fat sweaty guy calling himself 'Susan'). I had no friends to speak of, now I have more than I can count. Ok, so I don't know their real name, and I've never seen what they look like, but they are, nonetheless, my friends.

I know people who turn on the TV before the coffee maker in the morning, and turn it off after taking the final **** at night. How is EQ worse than TV? When the TV is on everyone is shushed, but when I play EQ I chat constantly.

I wonder how many hours per day your woman spends working for CBS on her little stories. I wonder if she's married with a family and, if so, do they miss her when she spends all night getting her deadline in? Would they say she's addicted to work like so many other americans? Ahhh, but that's ok cuz being american is all about the job, isn't it?

It's funny that CBS didn't mention the couples who have met in EQ and subsequently married. I wonder how many other people, like me, are alive today strictly because of EQ?

Life is ****, there is no point to it. Each person is born and they WILL die. Their life span is completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things. All we have are our petty distractions to silence the drums of time, which marches on relentlessly no matter if we play EQ or make quilts or surf or read or watch TV or beat or children or shoot people at random with a sniper rifle or molest children from our clergy position or bomb iraq or get head in the oval office or ... pick your favorite vice.

Ok, ok, I can kinda see why they didn't interview me :o\
RE: EQ saved my life
# Oct 23 2002 at 12:30 AM Rating: Default
Just wanted to let you know, you are a very sane person,.....

47th level wizard named Starmoon, Eci server. Stop in and say hi sometime, I to would like to be your friend.
How times have changed
# Oct 22 2002 at 7:02 PM Rating: Good
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What used to be called irresponsible, undisiplined, lazy, slacker, childish, self-centered, wrong priorities, etc., is now called an addiction. Don't get me wrong. I play as much EQ as anyone, and the 48HRs story did go out of it ways to make EQ look in a bad light, but if you are shirking your responsibilites by playing EQ, or anything else, you are not addicted. You are one of the above.
RE: How times have changed
# Oct 23 2002 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
Couldn't have said it better. When are people going to take responsibility for their own actions, instead of blaming a game, a parent, a TV show, a rock star, etc.....
Addiction
# Oct 22 2002 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
I'd like to add some of my experiences here. I think everyone can agree that soemtimes at work / school people think 'aww i'll get those 2 blues when i get home' or 'i wonder if so and so camp will be free when i get in'.... that isnt addiaction that is a hobby IMO.

However.......
On my server i know at least 2 people who are completely different.

One is a mother of three... going through a divorce (coz her husband found her playing EQ at 3 in the morning offensive, and coz he found out she was having an affair with someone from the game). Ok fair enough these things could be anything chatrooms, going to bars etc etc). the problem being she plays 24/7, has subsituted her friends in RL for people in the game... Has lost her home (nnow lives with her parents again and has shipped the kids off to their fathers) and continues to play EQ with her man she met on the game..... first situation... I think she is addicted to it... she rely's on it for her social life

Point 2
An old friend of mine lost his job in August of last year... between that time and now he is STILL out of work... supposidly has been looking for work for all this time.. lives on benefits.. has lost his car etc etc.. but still in all this time when i do a /who all friend... he appears every time. So much for job hunting and chasing down RL issues...

I dont blame EQ for this coz at the end of the day you can turn it off... but i think in some ways it is a factor.. as much as TV is...

I often wonder what will happen oneday when the servers die and EQ finishes what will these type of people do? Open the curtains and see 3 missed years of thier lives... with no real RL social connections apart from people 3000 miles away....

I know these people are probably not the norm like me or you.. but everyone has an EQ story like this... well everyone i know who plays knows someone like this.

(with-holding name and server as i people may know who i am talking about and i dont need flaming at me on the few hours i play )

*hugs to all*
Addictive Possibly
# Oct 22 2002 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
Yes this game may be addictive, but it keeps me away from my RL problems.

I have just emailed CBS to tell em what I thought of their story. Waiting for the FBI to fly to the UK and kick my door in.

Nah just told em they are full of crap.
hi
# Oct 22 2002 at 5:57 PM Rating: Default
I live in the UK and this program was not on TV, where can i get a copy? Any ideas would be nice. please email me at Craig@hotgen.com if you can help.

Thanks

Wollow - lvl 51 druid AC server
RE: hi
# Oct 22 2002 at 8:28 PM Rating: Default
hmm... i'd try the sewer
Mom&Dad
# Oct 22 2002 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
My mom spends all her time watching The Early Show, CBS Morning News, The Price is Right, The Young and Restless, Guiding Light, Bold and Beautiful, As the World Turns, Becker, CSI, CSI Miami, Survivor, Raymond, Jag, Judging Amy, King of Queens, 60 minutes, 60 minutes II, Face the Nation, CBE Evening News, Sunday Morning, David Letterman, and Craig Kilborne!!My dad watches The NFL Today, NFL on CBS, College Football, Golf, Tennis, and Racing on CBS!!!
Leaves me plenty of time to play EQ unharrassed!!
Good thing they dont watch 48hrs!!
they got u to watch , didnt they?
# Oct 22 2002 at 5:37 PM Rating: Default
Remeber thier job is to make you watch thier program, not to report the truth about anything. dont fall for it, no matter how much u think they are slanting the story, its always a ploy to get you to keep watching it.

just DONT WATCH the show and it wont bother you...

Remember, TV is ALL ABOUT MAKING MONEY, not reporting the truth..
Addiction?
# Oct 22 2002 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, EQ is addictive. Lets be real, this game *is* addictive. If you don't think it is, you are lying to yourself.

Like any leisure actvity, you have to put real-life relationships first, make sure responsibilities at home and work (or school) are being met, and that your health is not being compromised. As long as you rank your activities in proper order, there is ample space in life for "addictions" like EQ. I'm sure 99% of EQ players adhere to this.

One thing to keep in mind; the greatest social "addiction" of the 20th century was once attributed to TELEVISION. The whole purpose of television is a competition to enthrall and captivate an audience for as long as possible. The better the ratings, the more they can charge advertisers. Advertisers create commercials that try to influence us to consume. Billions of dollars are spent in the television industry to try to lure us into passively watching a crt.

Ironic that a television show calls EQ a "bad" addiction.
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cbs is absolutly right,
# Oct 22 2002 at 5:26 PM Rating: Good

i'll come forward and admit it. im addicted to eq. i play all day long. i dont have a job , live off the government, smoke pot, drink beer, an play eq all day long. im also addicted to sex. i spank it like a hound. if im not doing either of those things, then im sleeping--sometimes 18 hours a day.
it is hard for me to say which of these addictions are stronger, when i play eq i have the urge to spank it, and when im spanking it i have the urge to play eq.
luckily i am addicted to many things, (****, sex, spanking it, eq, pot, beer, liquor, food, various other drugs, and sleeping).if i was addicted to only one or 2 of these things it would become a dangerous obsession, and could consume my life.
thank you cbs for showing me the errors of my ways. your episode of 48 hours has changed my life. i no longer crave sex, drugs, booze or eq. your didactic moralizing has shown me there is so much more to life.

now if y'all will excuse me im goin to go watch some tv.
RE: cbs is absolutly right,
# Oct 23 2002 at 1:20 AM Rating: Default
one word. Brilliant

RE: cbs is absolutly right,
# Oct 23 2002 at 6:04 AM Rating: Default
Eloguent, my friend.
RE: cbs is absolutly right,
# Oct 23 2002 at 12:09 AM Rating: Default
lol, If I knew you I would buy you a drink. I salute you.

That was great <cheers>
Bravo
# Oct 22 2002 at 5:15 PM Rating: Default
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92 posts
/applaud

Took the words out of my mouth.
Show
# Oct 22 2002 at 5:10 PM Rating: Default
Does anyone know where i can find a replay of the 48 hours show? I was camping and missed it
RE: Show
# Oct 22 2002 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
Here is the Link I used to see the clip of the show

Thanks Friar Feniln for directing me to it

http://www.unknowndomains.com/Movies/CBS.wmv

And yes as far as I'm concerned it was a big joke that made the Doctor and the rest of us look like fools.

Proud member of EQ on and off since May 99. Yes I said on and off, yes I can just walk away and have no probs.
RE: Show
# Oct 22 2002 at 7:11 PM Rating: Decent
wow dude thanks i was about to ask the same thing!
and a post up there about it takes me away from my RL proplems, that is so true i have a hard difficult agravating life an dont like it very much, i have done some very crazy things. it does help to play this an get away from all the stresses in life,, on eq no one knows who u are or what u look like its a scocial game an we play it for "fun" we shouldnt be getting attacked for what we like to do. the game is addictive but i can control myself an i can get off usually when i want... anyways i hope that made scince
Ruley the Druid
good responce
# Oct 22 2002 at 5:00 PM Rating: Default
amen, well written!
response to 48 hours
# Oct 22 2002 at 4:58 PM Rating: Excellent
Hello all. I, also, did not see the special but did read the posts on this page. I have to say I am also a little upset at the outragous piece they did on EQ. Here is my two cents. When I get into a discussion about EQ with a non player, one of my main focus points I hit on is this: Bankruptcy is at an all time high. People are spending more money now then they can ever make. So, they spend, spend, spend, then file bankruptcy and we all foot the bill. If you play EQ seriously, you spend alot of your free time playing and not out spending money!! So, in essence, EQ is saving the US from the bankruptcy nightmare that has plagued our country. Most addictions make you go broke and lose everything that used to matter to you. I could personally quit my job today and not work for 6 months if i wanted. Personally I play anywhere from 4 to 8 hours a day, and on my days off i can play as long as 14 hours back to back. I love the challenge of the game and I love the people. It is networking 101 plain and simple. If you can't learn to work with others, you dont make it too well in the EQ. If thats an addiction, what is school? Ahh....school. More people have died because of school then Eq could ever aspire to! (NOT THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO!) Why dont they do a piece about school and how it affects our future adults? Lastly, 48 hours chose their name perfectly. Their name obviously reflects the deadline for the research team to put together a piece. : )

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Lvl 42 druid on vazaelle (Leebra) (me) 28 years old and friend of:
Lvl 39 warrior on vazaelle (horden) owner of subscription to this page 31 years old
something in common
# Oct 22 2002 at 4:50 PM Rating: Excellent
I think it really is wonderful that so many different people from so many different backgrounds can come together and not fight or be prejudiced. EQ gives people something to talk about, to put aside their differences and listen and respond and interact. There are no riots, nobody is killed, there aren't any wars. Maybe I'm being to dramatic, but I just can't see the evil in something that does that.

On a much smaller scale a lot of people in my immediate family play this game and we actually have something to talk about now! We didn't have anything in common before, and now we talk on the phone, talk online (it's cheaper then long distance phone bills), and send e-mails, etc. Sure you can spend time with your family but if you all just sit there staring at each other because you have nothing to talk about, eventually you stop calling to get together. I'd rather be accused of being "addicted" to a game that brought me closer to my family then not being close to them at all. I can't help wanting to sign on so I can see my nephew there and typing /hug to me. It is so cute. =) He is to embarrassed to hug his Aunt in real life, but I can get all the hugs I want in there without asking. It's also a lot of fun for some of them to come over so we can play EQ together. Yelling "Zone!" And "Heal me!" And of course the silences while zoning. It really is odd that we do that. O_o But I think it's funny.

Addiction should be considered on a case by case basis, and unfair to judge so many people with one swipe. 48 hours should have at least done a poll to get some concrete evidence, but there's not much use crying over spilt milk. I've yet to hear about anyone quitting the game over that episode, or someone saying they were going to buy it but saw that and decided not to.

Good hunting all

Louinian 61 Druid
Laradel 61 Enchanter
Terris-Thule
Dal'Haren Del'Velkyn

Edited, Wed Oct 23 03:01:26 2002
RE: something in common
# Oct 22 2002 at 5:31 PM Rating: Good
I really like what you're saying here.

Yes, it was a clear-cut example of Yellow Journalism in action. To coin my favorite analogy: CBS's 48 Hours team painted the rough side of a board light red for its audience, telling everyone just how rough and how red the board was. Meanwhile, they neglected to show the other side of the board, which if they had turned it over, was sanded smoothly; perhaps a knothole or two on it, which they did not paint at all.
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