Come back! Need discussion...2020 PresidentialFollow

I would support universal healthcare if we were building a new country. Under our current infrastructure, such a massive change "over an election" is reckless. We can have the same outcome in smaller steps.

Bernie doesn't scare me. But his hard-core base seems as unreasonable and unwilling to unite as trumps hard-core base.

Funny thing is, I wouldn't call trumps base the 'far right' and I'm not sure Bernie's base is 'far-left'. Maybe they're just far-out - man. [:flowerpower:]

Yeah, who doesn't want to overthrow the economic status quo for the last several hundred years, which has directly resulted in a massive, worldwide reduction in poverty and standards of living previously thought impossible? Fuckin' pussies, that's who!

#FeelTheBern

I'm sure the system of government which has never succeeded anywhere, ever, will be the best way forward for the future.

Basic market forces haven't changed though. Consumers want better products at lower prices. Businesses want to make the biggest profit possible on the products they sell. Employees want the most salary for the least time/effort. Employers want the most labor output for the least cost.

These basic forces operate the same. Haven't changed. Aren't likely to any time soon. Socialism as an idea has existed since the beginning of the industrial revolution. It's been tried many times. Every single time it's actually been implemented it has resulted in a reduction of productive improvement, reduction of relative standard of living for workers, and an increase in authoritarian control over those workers (ie: less liberty).


It's extremely telling, when the biggest concern over socialism is the things that said authority will do with it's power once it has purchased it with promises of free education, free housing, free food, free health care, etc, that the current proponent of said system openly states that the fact that Castro was a brutal dictator is somehow offset by the fact that he improve literacy in Cuba. Um... That's exactly the problem. The "cost" for that is having to live under authoritarian rule, and just kinda hoping that it doesn't result in gulags or something.

Yeah. I thought the Republicans were the party of old white men...

To keep things real, I think it's really swell that the winnowing of the forum population to the handful of degenerates still with us has led to a better political balance on the forum.

I think that's really great, and not terrible at all. I really respect people with right-wing views, and I would never compare their intellects to those of oysters unless it was very much to their advantage.

I'd suggest that most cultures throughout history tend to favor putting the serious decisions in the hands of the elders, assuming they are wiser than the young. We can debate how valid that is in terms of modern politics, but to simply dismiss leaders because they are old kinda does fly in the face of the norm. The only issue is that the Democrats make such a big deal of "old white men" running things, yet they can't seem to get away from it themselves.



If it takes 17 to get sore, then maybe there's a whole "loose fit" issue going on. Wouldn't necessarily be bragging about that.



Eh. I'd give it a 5/10.

PSSSSSHHHhhhhhhh...


...Allegory never had a FIVE DISK CD CHANGER!!

Warren's officially out ().

Is it too soon to think about a running mate; Assuming Biden is the D-nominee, who shall run alongside him?

Warren
Abrams
Buttigeig
Harris
O'Rouke
Who else?? (If anyone says Clinton they have to take a drink)

Pros and cons?

Warren Stupid? She sure didn't appear to be stupid at her rally in Va. Her problem was that most people are still not ready to vote for a smart woman who speaks her mind and persists.

While Biden was far from my first choice (Warren) I just can't see Bernie in the White House getting things done to repair the damage that 45 has done to both our country and the world.

Hey EC.

Fun game. Who am I?

Nexa