What? Pot is still illegal?Follow

Oh no. Instead of starting another "God" thread, this is now the unofficial "rape" thread.

I swear, it's just not my week. /sigh

Dow Chemicals got out of the bleach game in 1913, well before the crackdowns of the late 1930's. During the 1930's, Dow was mainly into researching and making plastics and resins (as well as other industrial products). I suppose someone might claim that Dow felt threatened by the thought of hemp based factory parts or woven hemp engine components, but I doubt it.

That's not a crack at you, Yanari -- just throwing the facts out there.

Upon some further reading, the claim is that DuPont was bleaching paper, not Dow.

Edited, Wed Mar 10 17:02:17 2004 by Jophiel

Is THAT the secret? Gah, it's so simple! -=P


For the record, I am not a stoner, I just smoke recreationally, aka when it's free

I believe I read that Jesus wore hemp sandles, could be wrong.

Hemp was the major source of rope in those times and would still be today if it was not for Dupont. Hemp is just as strong as nylon and is cheaper to produce. Did anyone notice the last name of the congressman that lead the push to make weed illegal again in California a few years back? He was a Dupont.

They don't even have to go as far a legalizing it. They could just decriminalize it like they just did in Canada and England. They lowered weed to a Schedule C Drug Classification(perscription medican, etc..). I hear that Canada will have coffee shops much like they do in Holland. However, these shops will only provide a safe place to smoke your own and to provide seeds and growing tips. Read this one the internet news the other day, think it was CNN but it might have been a MSN link. I will look for it again.

Edited, Thu Mar 11 13:38:00 2004 by Visagoth

Yanari, very interesting article you linked. I didn't know most about most of that, the industrial uses, I mean. I printed it out and I'm showing it around the office now.

The dealers are not going to be happy with you people who want to end the government price support system for pot.

So Twiztid - I'm curious - where do you go to school where the RA's are so tough? Calling the cops - that's nasty!

University of Illinois.

I don't think that the RA's in general are so tough, it's just the one that caught us was a *****. She was the RA for the girl that was smoking with us, and they didn't like eachother much. They had clashed in the past.

The thing that really ticked me off was that the RA that smelled it and called the cops wasn't even on duty! She was just being a frigid *****! AAARRRRGGGGG!!!!

So lesson learned: don't smoke where they can smell ya.

im not really up to date with the college scene. what is an RA? from what i gather they are some sort of student who is granted authority to keep things in line in their area of influece (a floor of a dorm?)

Basically so, Hippo. They get free room and board in the dorms and are basically there to keep the order and enforce the rules. Of course, they have other "duties" such as planning floor functions, being there "to talk to" and generally acting as the university mouthpiece, but it mostly boils down to being the law, such as it were.

Obviously, RA's vary wildly from person to person. I used to live in a dorm with no hard alcohol allowed and my RA never really bothered to enforce it. It seemed to be his opinion that so long as we weren't making a scene he wasn't going to go looking for reasons to bust us. But then you get the ones who think they're the sheriff of the lawless lands and need to write you up for having your TV on too loud, talking in the halls during quiet hours or whatever rules the dorm has.

Don't worry, I read it and thought to myself "I bet only half this is true, but it still shows hemp in a good light"

I guess I'm a closet hippy/tree-hugger. I'm not too vocal about it, but I worry about global warming, rain forests, blah, blah, yadda yadda yadda... so I'm hoping someone will see the benefits of hemp and do something about it one of these days.

The problem with legalizing drugs, like "pot", is that you then have to make all kinds of laws about when you CAN'T do it.

Its not such a big deal if you are doing it at home or something, but the problem would be people driving around and doing it. The problem would be train engineers smoking pot and wrecking their train, which has actually happened even though pot is illegal.

The problem is we'd have all the problems which we currently have with booze, such as increased traffic fatalities, while now also having them for something new. When anything is "legal", a lot more people do it. So you'd have a huge increase in accidents and fatalities, all due to something which was previously illegal. A lot of people wanting to legalize drugs like this never really think it through. The problems that legalizing it would cause are FAR greater than any benefit to legalizing it, so why do it?

A lot of people, like myself, will never do things like that because they are illegal. That makes for a better society. I also don't think that a large tax would work, since if you had a large tax people would still sell it illegally instead.

I don't believe in the stupid "gateway" drug thing at all, that is like saying that because I like a couple beers occasionally at home (when I'm NOT going to be driving AT ALL, AT ALL EVER UNTIL THE NEXT DAY) that I'm also going to do weed. Its kind of a stupid arguement. Drinking booze has nothing in common with doing weed, nor does doing weed have anything in common with shooting up or popping pills. This is why for the most part people are drunks or potheads or druggies, they are all kind of mutually exclusive to some extent.

So the biggest valid arguement for not making it legal is simply that you'd do nothing to benefit society, while very likely you'd make it a lot worse. We have enough problems with booze.

At some point you also have to grow up and realize that the reason why the RA or the cops busted you is NOT because they are pricks, rather it is so that some kid at the University doesn't do pot and then go and wrap their car around a pole killing themselves and three other students. Think about that for a minute, who do the parents and people in general blame when something like that happens? Do they blame the stupid college kids? No, they blame the University for not cracking down on students in dorms smoking pot. So it isn't really about YOU at all. The RA and the police did exactly the right thing, the only person in the wrong is you. Face up to it.

Edited, Sat Mar 13 15:53:58 2004 by natsuko

I think it's bad to guilt. I think it's 'overly optimistic' (see Twizted? I'm not guilting you, buddy!) to expect that you can break the law in a highly supervised outdoors setting and not get caught. Feeling guilt would mean you feel bad that you smoked, and it sounds like you don't. You feel bad you got caught. Either way, I don't pass moral judgement on it. I'm just blinking lights on an LED.