Ancient Nova Strike
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yes us mages have no problems PvE but god do we get ****** in the *** PvP, our only defense is heal pots,a 500ds, burning aura buff and AA Heart of Stone. if you think about it SoE ****** us
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yeah we mages have a constant DoT running and its a one time casting cost dot
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I just have to say..pointless post..but the spell affect for this is funny..Cast on you: You are caught in a burning vacuum!
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yes mages do damage seeing that your holy helling a 4275 non crit nuke cause my mage does that and my pet which crit hits for 178 every other hit and reg hits for 110 and the 85% haste i have on him that stacks with all other haste, plus the 575 points worth of ds we can stack so if thats not damage i dont know what is.
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Wurlatin jelliebean 70 arch magus, the rathe
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Wurlatin jelliebean 70 arch magus, the rathe
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Ok first post cause it drive me crazy seeing u guys say mages arent far behind wizzys in dps . I am a lvl 70 mage on 7th hammer , im in one of teh top 2 guilds on the server and nightly i am ranked 2nd in dps overall only surpassed by rogues, and thats without any 69/70 nukes .. its all 90% of the time on non fr mobs BoJ, for my main dps output . in onecase on cursecaller event i topped out at 480dps. if ya havent done the event dont bother to try and figure out how dps was so high . ALSO alot has to do with the parser you use . Now factor in pets and swarms and add the DS and mages surpass all other classes hands down . OOW was good to us just gotta know how to use it .
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since this discussion seems to be here and one i've thought about a lot heres my thoughts. I looked up a necros level 70 dot which i assume is their best, cuz the 68 ones and so so were lower. Anyway the lvl 70 dot is what, 460 dmg/tic? so per second thats 460/6 (a tic is 6 seconds necros) = a whopping 77 Damage Per Second (which is what i'm pretty sure is what DPS stands for) now to get 3k dmg/tic you would need hm... 8 of these? At 5 seconds to cast each, 2 second refreash time its gonna take you 56 seconds to cast all these, but hey if thats your strongest non ancient dot, they will all get weaker raising that number cuz you'll need more dots. Now maybe when necros solo their damage output is so low they can actually land all these dots but unless your raiding how many mobs will live that long? And while i'm at it our level 66 nuke is over 3k damage easy with focus and since we get our focus items before our nuke, we will have focus. So in 1 tic we can do dang close to 3k damage and hey, we can do it in the first 7 seconds as opposed to 1 minute into the fight when the mobs dead anyway. So yeah if you wanna start parsing mage to necro dps 1 minute into the fight... you guys should be about catching up. (since your laying on all these dots you dont have time to DD) even if you mixed it would take a while to set up. Anyway i'd like to know where you guys get your figures.
Edited, Mon Oct 11 13:10:35 2004
Edited, Mon Oct 11 13:10:35 2004
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maybe in spell dps but ive had a high 30s necro and a the mage i got atm. mages cant solo as good as necros sorry but its true atleast the way i used the 2 ;) just my 2cp.
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Really, we mages can't complain. We do get ripped off when it comes to soloing, that's true. But as far as damage goes, we are not much lower DPS than a wizzy at all. Take the spells from OOW that provide the most theorectical DPS: per Alla's, it lists our bolt as 289 and the wizzie's Ancient spell at 387. Only 98 DPS, which our pet probably fills in about 80 of that. So i'm guesstimating a less than 20 point difference in DPS. Do the math: 20x60=1200 extra dmg per minute. A sizeable difference yes but not obscene.
** Just to clarify for the reply given** Since i was comparing OOW nukes, yes, i meant the OOW pets(which i recently parsed at 99.85 not including spell and proc damage). All the above factors you mentioned do need to be taken into account but i didn't want to make this a 4 page post.
Edited, Mon Oct 18 09:13:12 2004
** Just to clarify for the reply given** Since i was comparing OOW nukes, yes, i meant the OOW pets(which i recently parsed at 99.85 not including spell and proc damage). All the above factors you mentioned do need to be taken into account but i didn't want to make this a 4 page post.
Edited, Mon Oct 18 09:13:12 2004
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you might have been ripped off when it comes to soloing, but i sure wasn't. i NEVER chain pet and i can still solo Rss. show me another class that can do that. i haven't seen one. the reason people don't appreciate the true power of the mage is because most mages don't know how to be truly powerful!
Edited, Mon Feb 20 21:37:17 2006
Edited, Mon Feb 20 21:37:17 2006
To clarify, the OoW pets (66+ pet) are about that dps and not the 61-65.
Also, you must factor in nuke refreshing when talking about mage/wiz nukes while the dps on pet has no refreshing (i.e. constant dps)
A third factor is mana. A spell's DPS is limited to the caster's mana pool as well as their mana regeneration. This limits both class's Nuke dps but not a mage's pet.
Thus, wizes are given higher dps nukes. (class balance thing for those who are a lil new to the game and envious of wizie 9.8k crits)
Also, you must factor in nuke refreshing when talking about mage/wiz nukes while the dps on pet has no refreshing (i.e. constant dps)
A third factor is mana. A spell's DPS is limited to the caster's mana pool as well as their mana regeneration. This limits both class's Nuke dps but not a mage's pet.
Thus, wizes are given higher dps nukes. (class balance thing for those who are a lil new to the game and envious of wizie 9.8k crits)
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Edited, Mon Sep 20 16:17:25 2004
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Edited, Sat Oct 2 18:03:31 2004
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Yeah necros can do 2.9k dmg per tick but the only problem is while you are casting all those dots my air pet is beating the living daylights out of you. And by the time you get all those DoTs cast I've had time to cast at least 3 nukes at least one will crit for 4.5k+ dmg and my focus items make the other ones around 2500 dmg. So yes you got us necros can do more damage but by the time you get those DoTs off the mob is already dead.
This is why Mages and Necros make such a great team ;-)
Soloing is for loners, which is one letter away from losers...
Soloing is for loners, which is one letter away from losers...
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Posted: Jun 30 2004 at 8:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I would like to say all those mages that think they can out damage a necro, your FOFS haha cause we can do 2.9kdmg per tick with this expansion and you can only do about hah, 2k?
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Your obviously not even close to level 67 so i would'nt worry about not out DPSing you for a bit. In the mean time, we do get jewed on alot of ****. This time we didn't we didn't get AS jewed but we still got jewed. I mean... wizards nuke for what... 4275? Holy hell!? that's without whatever ID4 item they have, that's like 5k damage possibly without crit. Mages can do.... wow... um... 3k... sweet. with a bolt... and bolts are easy to resist and any gnome can step in front of them and **** u out of like 500 mana. wow. ****. As you out dpsing you, Your dot costs alot of mana. Ours doesn't we own your pet, we use HoE, etc. your pets gone, you got 9 on you, if u FD you aren't casting spells and the next time u do the pets will be right back on you, and i am nuking you the entire time. you lose.
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Posted: Sep 23 2004 at 6:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What? Quit flexing nuts yall and be coherent. Mage pets own necro pets yes, mage nukes own necro nukes yes, necro dots own all other dots yes, necro lifetaps can seriously harm you yes. So who cares? They are both good classes, and goddamnit mages quit complaining about wizards out nuking you! I mean, come on if you nuked as well as a wizard why would we even have wizards? Your nukes are second best and they work just fine
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