75 cleric who ignored bash until now. I have tried everything to get it to move off lvl 25. Even went and put a few training points into it. Tried stripping neeked except for shield, no help. Tried full gear, no help. Created bash hotkey both ways, no help. What in the !@#$ I'm I doing wrong?
I appreciate the mensa's feedback.
Bash
What attributes are the most beneficial to raise bash skill. I have been stuck at 207 for a while (51 War, max skill 260) I can AA an attribute if needed plus get gear, but is there anything that helps skill up faster, or is it just keep hitting the hotkay, and be at the mercy of the RNG?
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This post is to clear up some of the wrong information given by Shortysticker. If you know anything about tanking at all, you'd know that as a shadowknight or paladin you should use a 1 handed weapon and a shield for two reasons. First, you're getting hp upgrades from 2 peices of equipment as opposed to just 1, which in most cases will give you more hp than a 2 handed weapon. (Unless you have a very uber item with about 300+ hp, in which case you'd probably have the 2 handed bash skill by that time anyway.) Also if a paladin or cleric stun is resisted it DOES NOT stun the mob. Trust me.
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Hi. 40 pally here. My bash is maxxed at 180. I hit anywhere from 5-60 with each bash. The biggest benefit I have found is that it stuns your opponent as they begin to run at the end of the battle. Depending on your haste, this allows you to get 1-2 valuable hits in. You almost always hit harder (or get hit harder) when you get hit from behind. So I love this skill and wouldnt trade it for anything!
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i have a lvl 32 cleric with a magic shield of ac 19 and my bash skill is up to 60 it went up very fast since i didnt even knowi could bash until lvl 29 hehehe. anyway i can bash consistantly for 22 damage.
No, I'm not about to discuss the bashing of clerics, but rather the bashing by clerics. Clerics gain the ability to bash at 25 WITHOUT putting any training points into it. Once you hit 25, just go to your combat skills and make a hotkey for it; then equip a shield and have fun.
Bash is a great skill to allow the chance for interrupting casting as well as briefly stunning your opponent. If you find yourself soloing in Unrest, you'll want to have your bash skill trained up to interrupt those wicked nukes from the Festering Hags in the basement.
The cleric bash ability was added much later after the creation of the class. I believe it is for this reason that it requires no training points to gain the initial ability. Otherwise, clerics who spent all their skill points (on who knows what) would be unable to bash ever.
Edited, Sat Sep 13 14:50:05 2003
Bash is a great skill to allow the chance for interrupting casting as well as briefly stunning your opponent. If you find yourself soloing in Unrest, you'll want to have your bash skill trained up to interrupt those wicked nukes from the Festering Hags in the basement.
The cleric bash ability was added much later after the creation of the class. I believe it is for this reason that it requires no training points to gain the initial ability. Otherwise, clerics who spent all their skill points (on who knows what) would be unable to bash ever.
Edited, Sat Sep 13 14:50:05 2003
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Posted: Sep 05 2003 at 11:59 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i heard some where that SOE was going to have a patch that makes it so using a shield will give you more benefit soon. forgot where i heard this at. does any one know what im talking about and if so could you please let me know.
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Well, im a lvl 65 troll warrior. Unbuffed str at 255, using a stormrider carapace for my shield (which holds aggro much better then duel wielding might I add), Its a 54ac shield and I have been able to get some bash's in there for upwards of 150-183 damage with it, got a critical bash when was berserk for 212 the other day. So Im going to agree with the people in this thread that think that the ac of your shiled might have something to do with the damage of your bash. It seems to make sense.
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i am a 17 barbarian rogue and my slam only does 1 dmg, does it ever get better?
No. Since U have no Bashing ability (as a Rogue) it will not improve ever.
Scholar
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OK here is what I know about bash to dispell some questions/rumors/myths. All of the info I state here has been tested by myself by equipping and unequipping different offhand and shoulder items both magic and non magic and shield and non shield on my troll warrior, barbarian shaman, half elf paladin and dark elf cleric.
Bash is a class specific skill available to warriors, paladins, shadowknights and now clerics. Bash does progressivly higher damage as you get more strength and as you level. It is unknown if the damage is based on your level or your bash skill (which goes up as you level) it is assumed that bash damage and hit chances are tied to bash skill + offense skill in the same way that weapon hits are tied to offense + weapon skill.
Slam is a racial skill available to large races specifically ogres, trolls and barbarians. Slam always does only 1 point of damage when it hits and seems to miss more for classes with no bash skill so it is my assumption that the chance to land bash is based off offense skill alone (or more technically offense skill + bash skill 0.)
Characters who have racial slam and class bash skill can use their racial slam in place of bash to do full bash damage with or without a shield, this includes troll sk or bar war or whatever, just use slam instead of bash. Characters who use the slam attack as a bash will do bash damage ie more than 1 point and will also get bash skillups using it, this was tested with a troll war.
Attacks with slam or bash can or can not be magical and this depends on your items. For Bash skill you are required to have an item that is considered a shield in your offhand to use this skill, this is true of anyone using "bash" skill even large races who must otherwise hotkey the "slam" skill instead. The bash attack will or will not be a magic attack depending on whether your shield is labeled as magic. For slam if you are holding any item in your offhand it also has to be magic but does not have to be considered a shield (was tested with bar shm who could magic slam with testament of vaneer or even GLS in offhand and troll war who could magic slam with magic sword in offhand but not with rusty sword there.) If you do not hold an item in your offhand, such as when weilding a 2 handed weapon, then your SHOULDER item is the item used to consider whether your slam is magic or not (again tested with troll war and bar shm by taking off hand, arm and shoulder items one at a time while trying to slam wisps.) Characters with racial slam and a non magic shield can quickly unequip this item and magic bash using their magic shoulder item and also small warriors can quickly replace their offhand weapon for a shield if they need to bash.
I have never personally tested the damage output but if it is truly based off the AC of your shield then is it also based off the AC of whatever offhand weapon you hold for racial slam ie a +AC totem or weapon and then is it also based off the AC of your shoulder item when weilding a 2h item?
Edited, Mon Jun 23 17:07:20 2003
Bash is a class specific skill available to warriors, paladins, shadowknights and now clerics. Bash does progressivly higher damage as you get more strength and as you level. It is unknown if the damage is based on your level or your bash skill (which goes up as you level) it is assumed that bash damage and hit chances are tied to bash skill + offense skill in the same way that weapon hits are tied to offense + weapon skill.
Slam is a racial skill available to large races specifically ogres, trolls and barbarians. Slam always does only 1 point of damage when it hits and seems to miss more for classes with no bash skill so it is my assumption that the chance to land bash is based off offense skill alone (or more technically offense skill + bash skill 0.)
Characters who have racial slam and class bash skill can use their racial slam in place of bash to do full bash damage with or without a shield, this includes troll sk or bar war or whatever, just use slam instead of bash. Characters who use the slam attack as a bash will do bash damage ie more than 1 point and will also get bash skillups using it, this was tested with a troll war.
Attacks with slam or bash can or can not be magical and this depends on your items. For Bash skill you are required to have an item that is considered a shield in your offhand to use this skill, this is true of anyone using "bash" skill even large races who must otherwise hotkey the "slam" skill instead. The bash attack will or will not be a magic attack depending on whether your shield is labeled as magic. For slam if you are holding any item in your offhand it also has to be magic but does not have to be considered a shield (was tested with bar shm who could magic slam with testament of vaneer or even GLS in offhand and troll war who could magic slam with magic sword in offhand but not with rusty sword there.) If you do not hold an item in your offhand, such as when weilding a 2 handed weapon, then your SHOULDER item is the item used to consider whether your slam is magic or not (again tested with troll war and bar shm by taking off hand, arm and shoulder items one at a time while trying to slam wisps.) Characters with racial slam and a non magic shield can quickly unequip this item and magic bash using their magic shoulder item and also small warriors can quickly replace their offhand weapon for a shield if they need to bash.
I have never personally tested the damage output but if it is truly based off the AC of your shield then is it also based off the AC of whatever offhand weapon you hold for racial slam ie a +AC totem or weapon and then is it also based off the AC of your shoulder item when weilding a 2h item?
Edited, Mon Jun 23 17:07:20 2003
Slam definitely does not do full damage that a shield would do. I can only hit for up to 20 with my slam on my 24 ogre SK but I hit for much higher than that with a shield on and bash.
The damage of your Bash is based on the AC of your shield. So an AC 25 Shield would function as an off-hand 25 damage weapon.
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One thing I've noticed with my barbarian warrior is that using slam will raise my skill in bash, even though I'm dual wielding weapons. My bash skill is around 35 now, and I've never worn a shield on that character. The damage I'm doing with slam has been going up, too. For a long time, I only ever did 1 point. Today I was doing 10-15.
Since slam on my Ogre SK does 10 dmg, while on my Iksar Warrior I do 14 or so, I suspect it also has to do with the AC of the shield. Also, the Iksar had a 7 AC shield, and my Ogre, after switching from a 3 AC to a 5 AC shoulder item saw no difference in his Slam abilities. Note that my Ogre WAS wielding a 2hs weapon at this time, whilst my Iksar had a piercing weapon (can you guess what kind I'm talking about?)
ok i made a cleric som days ago, and now she have Bash at 75 or so, i bought her the Charred Guardian Shield to train this skill but i still have much question about that :
1)When cleric will bash after lvl 50 ?
2) Is it a good skill to have just for the period -50?
3)Is ur STR have something with the finnal dmg on Bash ?
4)I have for secondary a book of obulus for the focus, and this shield for bashing, i use both depends of situation but.. when i bashing i am not medding so in a group.., cleric need med often to be able assure a chain pull, or they need to be reach and buy a horse or drog to med and bash in same time ?
Any explication about cleric and how usefull bash skill for them ?
My cleric lvl 30 for moment.
1)When cleric will bash after lvl 50 ?
2) Is it a good skill to have just for the period -50?
3)Is ur STR have something with the finnal dmg on Bash ?
4)I have for secondary a book of obulus for the focus, and this shield for bashing, i use both depends of situation but.. when i bashing i am not medding so in a group.., cleric need med often to be able assure a chain pull, or they need to be reach and buy a horse or drog to med and bash in same time ?
Any explication about cleric and how usefull bash skill for them ?
My cleric lvl 30 for moment.
Can anyone tell me how to bash? I have a Lvl 24 Pally Dwarf but cannot figure out how to Bash.Thx
Scholar
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Buffmeister,
Go to your Melee tab on your actions menu. Right-click on any of the slots and a menu of possible actions will appear. Bash is one of the options. Select bash and it will now be a melee hotbutton.
Now go and pick a fight, and as long as you have a shield equipped you can bash away to your heart's content.
Enjoy!
Go to your Melee tab on your actions menu. Right-click on any of the slots and a menu of possible actions will appear. Bash is one of the options. Select bash and it will now be a melee hotbutton.
Now go and pick a fight, and as long as you have a shield equipped you can bash away to your heart's content.
Enjoy!
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All this talk of pally bash makes me sick! Yes, it's a nice thing to have at -20 but only once you've maxed out your 2hs... unless u have an uber 1hs I.E. massave drogon claw thingie. At lvl 46 w/ a wideblade greatsword i out dmg my GAR friend all the time.
Besides pally geta bunch of stun spells that are more effective then bash cause even if they are resisted they STILL inturrupt casting.
In pvp you 2hs or you die! Root>joust>heal>and stun when needed.
So pls stop bashing... if not for you then me, cause i'm tired of blueby ppl saying that pallies aren't good for nething except taking hits for the group while they camp out.
1 more thing... In plains most warriors and rangers who aint bowing and r unepiced WILL 2hs due to less mob reposites
Stun and 2hs silly lil pallies!
Besides pally geta bunch of stun spells that are more effective then bash cause even if they are resisted they STILL inturrupt casting.
In pvp you 2hs or you die! Root>joust>heal>and stun when needed.
So pls stop bashing... if not for you then me, cause i'm tired of blueby ppl saying that pallies aren't good for nething except taking hits for the group while they camp out.
1 more thing... In plains most warriors and rangers who aint bowing and r unepiced WILL 2hs due to less mob reposites
Stun and 2hs silly lil pallies!
I assume you have never fought in Kael Arena then? You use your strategy, and as your opponent, a giant of the cleric class, begins casting CH on himself, you start casting stun (or one of the damage stuns). Several seconds later, you get the message "%t is immune to the stun portion of this spell", just before the mob finishes casting, and is now all nice and shiny healed back to full health.
Considering the fact that Mace of the Fallen Crusader is about 200pp on my server, and has an awesome ratio, I see no reason NOT to keep a shield around, and bash away when a caster mob shows up. Believe me, against CHing, or Gating mobs, particularly those immune to stun spells, Bash is priceless. Plus, against those Tough Pop mobs, the stats and saves you can pick up wielding a shield like a tae ew shield, can make you a much more effective tank.
Lastly, I know many rangers who use 1hs in PoP zones, with no riposte problems, they just stand BEHIND the mob, like anyone except the MT usually does against these mobs (unless they have a rogue, AND keep stealing aggro).
Considering the fact that Mace of the Fallen Crusader is about 200pp on my server, and has an awesome ratio, I see no reason NOT to keep a shield around, and bash away when a caster mob shows up. Believe me, against CHing, or Gating mobs, particularly those immune to stun spells, Bash is priceless. Plus, against those Tough Pop mobs, the stats and saves you can pick up wielding a shield like a tae ew shield, can make you a much more effective tank.
Lastly, I know many rangers who use 1hs in PoP zones, with no riposte problems, they just stand BEHIND the mob, like anyone except the MT usually does against these mobs (unless they have a rogue, AND keep stealing aggro).
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I know this is a reply to an old post. However, BASH is very important to a pally or sk. Added dps isnt the reason. stun and extra agro is. If a pally is MT in a group then the bash will give him a little more. a 1hs weapon CAN be better then a 2hs weapon as well.
a sheild is ADDED ac. AC = less damage, less damage = mana for clerics, mana for clerics = fasster pulls and more xp. also note a good 2hs wep has good dps, a great 1hs has great dps(as far as pally dps goes).
proof: i had a nice 2hs weapon at lvl 51 40/48(black acrylia halbred). it was slow, i got a new 1hs weapon 33/30 at lvl 51(blade of disruption), the weapon i got will go up untill i am lvl 66 when it is my lvl. at this time i can solo mobs better witht the 1hs and sheild combo over the 2hs weapon. the damage output at 51 topped out at around 210ish per hit. the damage with the 1hs tops out at 160ish. But with my haste item 31% and my self haste 25% i am hitting fast and hard and i double attack with success more often. My dps has gone up as well as my damage avoidance(because of the added ac) i can kill a mob with a little hp left now...one that would have killed me before because i am alot faster now as well as have more ac, and the bash ability.
also not that yes pally epic 1.0, 1.5 and 2.0 are 2hs, but pallys get the aa 2 hand bash. That is when i will trade my 1hs for a 2hs weapon. when i have 1.5 done and finnished. But for now 1hs and bash is a great thing to this pally!
a sheild is ADDED ac. AC = less damage, less damage = mana for clerics, mana for clerics = fasster pulls and more xp. also note a good 2hs wep has good dps, a great 1hs has great dps(as far as pally dps goes).
proof: i had a nice 2hs weapon at lvl 51 40/48(black acrylia halbred). it was slow, i got a new 1hs weapon 33/30 at lvl 51(blade of disruption), the weapon i got will go up untill i am lvl 66 when it is my lvl. at this time i can solo mobs better witht the 1hs and sheild combo over the 2hs weapon. the damage output at 51 topped out at around 210ish per hit. the damage with the 1hs tops out at 160ish. But with my haste item 31% and my self haste 25% i am hitting fast and hard and i double attack with success more often. My dps has gone up as well as my damage avoidance(because of the added ac) i can kill a mob with a little hp left now...one that would have killed me before because i am alot faster now as well as have more ac, and the bash ability.
also not that yes pally epic 1.0, 1.5 and 2.0 are 2hs, but pallys get the aa 2 hand bash. That is when i will trade my 1hs for a 2hs weapon. when i have 1.5 done and finnished. But for now 1hs and bash is a great thing to this pally!
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I have a Barbarian Warrior, level 30, and instead of bash ive COMPLETELY consentrated on Taunt and Kick. I've gotten my Kick skill to 130 also but i only kick for up to 19 damage. If i were to have my bash skill instead at around 130, how much damage do u think it could do compared to Kick?
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Bash won't do nearly as much damage as kick, but it does have the added benefit for being able to stun. Because of this, I don't kick casters, I just BASH them!
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I just realised I had the skill. I have max'd it out for my 26lvl pal and will continue to add skill points as I lvl. The question I have is, is there a way to incorparate it into your regular attacks? I have the button, and use it but it doesn't seem very effective at this point. What is the reset time of this attack? Can it be put in a macro to happen automatically?
Thanks
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My 30 Level Paladin uses this as a crucial part of his melee attack. Since the paladin does not get duel wield I have incorporated Bash into my attack routine since level 6. Damage appears to be based obn the shield you carry. I am bashing for upwards of 24 points.
I have also set up a /doability hotkey to bash. My cycle time is about 10 seconds. So I set the hot key to trigger four bash sequences then prompt me to intiate another round in case the fight continued. The hotkey is
/doability 7,
/pause 110,/doability 7 (repeated twice more)
/Bash! Voidrakr Bash!
The other thing I love about Bash...the sound effect. reminds me of a banging trash can lid but very appropriate.
I have also set up a /doability hotkey to bash. My cycle time is about 10 seconds. So I set the hot key to trigger four bash sequences then prompt me to intiate another round in case the fight continued. The hotkey is
/doability 7,
/pause 110,/doability 7 (repeated twice more)
/Bash! Voidrakr Bash!
The other thing I love about Bash...the sound effect. reminds me of a banging trash can lid but very appropriate.
Voidrakr Smartinoff
Paladin of Marr
Paladin of Marr
what factors influence how hard you bash for i have a 5 AC shield and i regullarly bash for 12 Damage with a bash skill of 22 so i dunno any more
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I've been playing for about 6 months now, and just noticed people talking about Clerics and Shamans being able to bash. When did this happen? I was under the impression that only Warriors, Paladins, and Shadowknights could bash. If more classes can bash, can anyone tell me if Bards can bash? Thanks.
Clerics can bash. Shamans can't bash. Larger raced Shamans have the ability to slam.
I have a Cleric and my bash is at 125 and it hasn't changed for a while. I read somewhere that Cleric Bash maxes at 200 (180 until you are 50th level and then 200). Was I mistaken?
Oh yeah, for those clerics that are having trouble maxing bash, it is really easy. Just sit under the mob after the tank has enough aggro and med there. Every time your mana ticks, get up and bash. You'll get there in no time.
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For SK who can not dual wield, the shield is the second damage dealer.
1. Do shield stats influenece bash damage?
2. Any idea what the approx "weapon" value for bash would be?
Peano Axeum
34 SK
1. Do shield stats influenece bash damage?
2. Any idea what the approx "weapon" value for bash would be?
Peano Axeum
34 SK
I think the only thing you get with bash is, if you use a Magic shield, you can hit mobs that can otherwise not be harmed by conventional weapons. And the AC rating, according to Slipskin.
I know with the SLAM skill, the magic armor works the same way, only it much be a ARM slot piece of armor.
I know with the SLAM skill, the magic armor works the same way, only it much be a ARM slot piece of armor.
The shield's AC rating acts as the Damage rating. Not sure about the delay but I think bash recycles every 6 secs.
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OK.. I went to my Guild Tutor and took this skill. .Now how the heck do I use it? Someone told me it is an automatic thing.. but, if it is.. then why the heck am i not doing anything? I have an 11 in the skill..
Can anyone help?
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Thanks,
Philip
Aka D'urtha Lvl 11 Pally Lanys
Can anyone help?
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Philip
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What is the most you can bash for?
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Well, with my Barbarian Shaman I can only bash for no more then 1, and it rarely lands. My bash skill is about 100 and it still like that, I think casters that have bash can only do it for this much. Because my Barbarian Warrior can do it for 10+ at 100 skill.
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I have a 35 ac sheild and bash for an average of 65 dmg every time i use it. it seems to be based on the ac of your sheild.
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Urm, shamans don't get the bash skill as far as I know. However, large races, such as barbarians, do get the slam ability, which is similar, but never improves.
My personal best bash has been a 52, with a level 38 Ogre Shadowknight, with a strength buff.
As levels have increased the damage caused by bashing has slowly but steadily increased as well. I therefore suspect that bash damage will continue to rise at least a little longer, until offense reaches its maximum cap.
As levels have increased the damage caused by bashing has slowly but steadily increased as well. I therefore suspect that bash damage will continue to rise at least a little longer, until offense reaches its maximum cap.
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