Blacksmithing

Kbarr-

I have hunted the Wood Elf Rangers in Lesser Faydark for blood. At your level they should be cake, especially with the level 52 SK Pet handy. Unfortunately, I only had 2 elf blood drops after killing wood elves for about 2 hours straight, and by that point I was so depressed I had to go kill a few dwarves >:(

Gomorrha de'Sade
53rd Dark Elf Reaver on Drinal

never mind, I found out what I did wrong... I'll let you imagine =)
sorry about that

Kug.

I dont think so.. Standard is a nice silvery turquois blue.. Which is apparently mithril color..

Same as normal mithril chain, just have all the metal enchanted first. Costs a lot (current diamond costs are running at up to 1K each!!) and it fails a lot more.

so? what worked... what are the recipes for sefarer's?
and, wow! 192 skill. Most impressive

Just noticed that allakhazam has nice table on seafarers in race specific armor reference section. Hunt around everyone, it will do you good to see what allakhazam has for you already.

no one has posted info... There are several forges that appear, and the actually patch shows up later, sometimes unannounced... so when you least expect it...

check the vendors after every patch if you want to be first on the block. Remember it will take 175 or close skill to successfully make anything on the new forges.

high strength for success, high intell OR wisdom for skilling up, high charisma to buy supplies at decent prices and sell results back to vendors close to cost when skilling up. A character based in freeport, the only city where smithing supplies are not scattered across vast distances, a character that is not agnostic, so you can make imbured stuff. A character that can gate and bind themselves, a character that can enchant (but you will have to develop that charater to level 30 to 54 to really be useful for that. A character that can sow themselves, a character that can do alchemy or poison skill. (shaman or rogue)

There aint no character race class that can do all that.

is this stuff working? someone had said that you couldn't make some of the class armor yet. Is the barbarian armor acutally implemented?
Just curious

In two months of watching this board, this is all I have. Enchant steel is apparently a level 54 enchanter spell.

I suspect few have attempted because finding an enchanter of that level and the jacinth are formidable barriers. Plus you will have to carry around a stash of mq large bricks (wt 14) and the jacinths while searching, an inventory and weight issue of major proportions.

NOTES OF POSSIBILITY OF ENCHANTING FINE PLATE/STEEL ARMOR
Enchanted fine plate: theoretically this should be possible. There is an enchant steel spell, and should add enhancements to armor if race specific trials are a guide.

Enchanting Steel: Alderon Brell server writes: An enchanter can cast enchant steel on a brick of HQ ore, giving an enchanted brick of HQ ore. Each spell takes a jacinth, a rare drop gem, that apparently vendors sell for about 1pp (when one has been sold to them) Fine plate will take medium quality large bricks, wt 14, lots of them (3 for each folded sheet)No mention if enchant steel enchants all ores or select ores.

Jacinth: Jacinth is a rare gem, drop from high-level mobs 45+, Dino in OoT or Hate / Fear planes. The gem is consumed when the enchantment spell is cast.

I think that sucks...sorry to hear it happened to you...I think that there needs to be a better policy on these kinds of problems...make me angry that they (verant) have no reasonable solution for these kinds of problems,kinda like getting killed on a boat, corpse unlootable, falls in ocean at zone and you are on your own...BS!!! Verant does suck and you have full right to say so by my book...good luck to you :) sorry that happened to you.

There is a progression. At level 115 you can make simple things like bracers, gorgets to make a profit. Here is my experience.

Success rates at skill level 102:
Gorgets and Bracers 90%
Boots 30%
Everything else, forget it.

Success rates at skill level 115-119
Gorgets and Bracers near 100%
Helm 5/6=90%
Belts 5/5=100%
Mask 5/7=70%
Boots 6/12=50%
Sleeves 8/15=50%
Mantels 1/5=20%.
Everything else (legs, cloaks, tunics, gloves) forget it.

Success Rates at skill level 125.
Boots 5/5=100%
Bracers 4/5=80% (Danni’s experience)
Mantels 4/4=100%
Helms 4/5=90% (Danni’s experience)
Mask 3/4=75%
Tunics (chest) 6/9=66%
Sleeves 3/5=60% (Danni’s experience)
Leggings 2/8=20% (my experience) 4/5=80% (Danni’s experience)
Cloaks (back) 0/4=0%
I suggest avoiding cloaks, leggings, gauntlets at this level.

Success Rates at skill level 129
Tunics 4/5 80%
Cloaks 3/5 60% (at skill level 130 had 0/5) (at skill level 131 Cloaks 2/3 66%)
Leggings 1/6 17% (at skill level 131 3/4=75%
I suggest avoiding leggings, gauntlets, perhaps cloaks

Success rates at skill level 136 You can reliably make everthing at tolerable failure rates.
Cloaks 5/6 83%
Leggings 5/6 83%
Success rates at skill level 141:
All items have sporadic failure, sometimes as many as 4 failures in a row, but highly unusual.

Skill level 145 Still 10% failures with cloaks, mantels, legs but everthing else failures are less than 5%.

Skill level 160: Still about 10% failure with legs, mantels, and getting several failures in a row on gauntlets on occasion.

Skill level 175: still fails 10% with cloaks.

Here are detailed notes on all choices you have, and cost data, difficulty, marketability factors vs selling back to vendors, so you can decide best route for you and your circumstances. Many choices, there is no one best route. Enjoy. Most of trivials here post 9/00 patch. Much thanks to this bulletin board on providing new trivials, and considerations that I had overlooked. It is organized so that within a series 2A - 2C you read the info, and pick what fits you. When you complete that look at the series 3A-3D list of choices and so forth.

1. Skill Level 0-10 Practice points each time you level. 20 points is the maximum you can put into here, and you may want to do that.

2A. Skill level 10-21 Metal bits: Two small pieces of ore, one water (non conjured) combined in a regular forge. Be sure not to stack, put the three items in 3 separate slots in the forge. Do not use summoned or foraged water, it will not work. In Halas the vender outside of McDaniels right near the forge has water, also the Fire Cider Tavern. Nnet cost to skill up with metal bits is 3.5pp, less travel than sharpening stones in spite of high failure rate. You will have about 25 metal bits for future use.) Save these for future use. With failure (lack skill) you lose about 140c per attempt 3/4 the time with no product to show for it. Sinudar reports: 7 stacks of ore raised his skill level from 10 to 21 when bits went trivial. 27 successes out of 70 attempts. His cost to skill up 5.2pp which translates into a cost of 400c per metal bit, actually not bad considering you will be using these.

If you buy the weapons to sharpen and resell this represents about 1.5pp cost, and you have nothing to show for it. A master smith can make 27 metal bits for 2pp, so you save about 2pp in cost to make bits later on. Ore available in Erudin and High Hold Keep.

2B: Skill level 10-21 FILE: 1 metal bit (200c at 70%), 1 file mold (13c), one flask water (13c) (your cost to make 226c) Skill level 10, 50 % success rate. At skill level 22 60-75 % success rate. Files are a reusable tool to make studds and steel boning. Venders buy them for 77 - 80c. You lose 173c with each file if you are 100% successful in making them. Venders sell files for 129c. Assuming 10 combines per skill level, 110 combines to go 10-21, 60% success overall (all conjectures), cost to skill from 10 to 21 is 20pp.

2C. Skill level 10-32 Sharpen weapons with sharpening stones (stone plus rusty sharp edged weapon in regular forge, sharpen cheap weapons then more expensive ones. You can save weapons from fishing and hunting, or buy them from vendors, selling all products bact to vendors. You get a tarnished weapon with success. You get rusty weapon back (labeled as “alternative product” with failures. You lose everything if you put a weapon in that is not sharp, like a halberd. The tarnished weapons have same damage class but are faster. Tarnished weapons do not sell for any more than rusty to vendors, but the costs are only a few copper, so that is no concern. Sharpening success depends on size (cost) of weapon. I've never taken more than 4 attempts on bigger weapons to succeed At skill level 17 some weapons still needed 3 attempts. Rough guess as to cost to skill up is about 5pp if you buy weapons and resell them back, you make money if you use weapons from skeletons or fishing. Trivial levels for specific weapons: Daggers 17, Broad and Long swords 23, ******* swords 27, 2 hand swords 32. Use this knowledge just so you can maximize effort by sharpening the low trivial weapons first. There are a dozen or so individual sharp edged rusty weapons you can sharpen, and each undoubtably has its own trivial level. It is fun to keep track of this, but not very important.

Mystk reports: 90 combines to go from skill 8 to 27. 64 attempts skill 8 to 21, 23 attempts skill 21 to 26, 3 attempts skill 26 to 27. This is with a high intelligence, high wisdom character. This is average of 5 attempts per skill level.

Stones are sold at High Hold Keep near bank, Freeport or Erudin in front of the armory. Stones stack and are only 4c each. Buy at least 200 stones. To go to Erudin, take a ship from north dock in Qeynos, the boat stops at Erud’s island (vendors there, cat people, dangerous place to hunt mid teens and lower) At Erudin you get on a small transport ship. If you miss it, and decide to swim for shore do loc’s over and over, sharks will kill you with one blow if you are unlucky. I suggest not swimming for shore. From the Erudin docks enter the marble building, go to far back, then enter the center pool. You will transport to right in front of the armory. The vendor selling ore is outside the armory just a few feet away. The zone transport to temple with bank in basement is at the top of the steps from the transport disk you are one. The transport back to the docks is up the same steps you took to transport disk to bank, but you turn to the right. There is the Erudin forge (for erudite smiths only) outside the armor. The general forge is in the enclosed courtyard outside Deepwater Knights, near the library. To get there face the armory, turn right, go up path, down stairs and keep to left. Enter Deep Water Knights, and from inside first floor, exit to courtyard.

3A: Skill level 21-46 Studs 3 bits, file, water. 3 metal bits. (prior to 9/00 trivial at 41, report since now 46) Cost 600cc to make per successful combine, which yields 2 studs. (700c at 70% success rate), file is 110c but is reusable, returned with failures and successes, unless you put wrong combination into the forge and lose it). File molds are 12c. Studs are potentially profitable if sell to players, more so at skill 41 when success rates are better. They are stackable (this is new as of 9/2000), and yield is now 2 studs per combine. Tailors need studs in large quantities if they choose studded armor to skill up. Sinudar had 5 successes with studs on 10 attempts to raise level 2 points 21 to 23, and at level 27 had a success rate of 50% taking 10 combines to raise skill 1 point.
(skilling up 21 to 27) Assume (based on pre 9/00 data from Sinudar) 60 combines, 30 successes. The combines cost 36pp, and you recover 60 studs sell to vendors at 2g each or 12pp, net cost 24pp. If you sell the studs to tailors at 1pp/stud you make 24pp profit, if 5g you lose 6pp. Since they are now stackable it is worth saving them in the bank.
(skilling up 27 to 41) assume 140 combines, 70 successes, combines cost 84pp, 140 studs sell to vendors for 28pp net cost 56pp, if you sell to players at 1pp per stud you make 56pp profit, if 5g 14pp.

3B. Skill level 27-41 make scalers: bits, scaler mold, water. Scalar mold (63c), metal bits (200c), water (13c). Cost per combine 260c. In past this gave a file and large container lid mold. Ignore this in other smithing guides. Since I mastered smithing it has been changed, so that successes give a scaler only. Molds available at Daniel’s Smokes second floor in Halas, the cottage in Qeynos Hills, and Trader’s Holiday from Islan in East Freeport. I do not know cost or success rate data with new products. Mystk reports that 110 attempts got her from skill 27 to 41. These have no market, so they must be sold at loss to vendor. For a barbarian assume 140 combines at 36pp total. Not sure of price vendor pays now. If 50% success rate you will have 70 scalers likely get about 200c for from vendor, or 14pp, net cost to skill up 27 to 41 is 22pp.

3C: Skill level 32-41 Field point arrowheads: Metal bits 200cc, water 13c, file (reusable). Yield is 20 You can sell them to fletchers, or use them yourself.

3D: Skill level 27 to 41 make Steel Boning: (not viable skilling up path due to high failure rates) Small brick ore, file, water. You can make almost 100% successfully at skill level 80. Tailors consume these in vast quantities, and most tailors will be needing 300 bonings in process of skilling up to 110 in tailoring.. Small brick ore is 600c, wt 15. You can carry only 8 at a time. Boning weighs 0.1 and do not stack. I use my erudite mule with 8 empty backpacks, load up at vendor in Erudin, gate to qeynos, then use my main character to offload one back pack at a time and crawl to forge. You need to have two accounts to do this, or have a buddy make an erudite enchanter and do this for you. Alternativly travel your smith to Erudin, and use deepwater knight forge, or go to high hold keep, and crawl from bank to forge outside Greenbanes in High Hold pass (follow left wall from Keep entrance). Easiest of all will be in freeport where forge is right outside the ore vendor. Main problem is stashing all the non stackable bonings. Suggest making a warehouse character for this, an enchanter is nice because they can gate, and have nice charisma to buy the expensive ore. At smith level 154 I made 136 with 3 failures. To skill from 27 to 41 is estimated about 170 combines, total cost 283pp minus what a vendor pays back for estimated 70 successes. Vendor buys boning for 400c you get back 28pp, or net cost 255pp. If you sell to players for 1pp per boning (will be hard to find buyer), net cost is still 213pp. Not a viable method likely if these assumptions are even roughly close.

3D: Skill level to 37 Skinning knife: use with tailor skill to lower grade of pelt one notch. Small brick of ore+Hilt Mold+Dagger blade mold+water. Trivial at 37. Due to mold availability far from qeynos and Halas, this is special order item only, not a skilling up item. I have found the possession of this essential in making leather backing for high level smith items.

4A. Skill level 42-51 make tool boxes: (one metal bit, water). (trivial of 51 verified by Borrell 10/00) A tool box is an 8 slot container with a combine button. It is used by gnomes for tinkering. You are going to have run to a vendor to sell them as you make them one to three at a time as they do not fit inside other containers. They no longer can be sold at a major profit to vendors, vendors now pay back somewhat less than cost to make. Vendor buys them back for about 80c, with a metal bit costing about 200c to make. Net cost per successful attempt is 120c. Assuming 10 combines per level, and 50% success rate you cost will be 50pp more or less to get to level 51. (I have no personally verified data on this),

4B. Skill level 42-56 Cookie cutters: bits, cookie mold, water. mold (438c), 1 Metal bits (200c), water (13c) = 651c per attempt. Net loss 488c per attempt at 40% success rate at skill level 47 if you sell to venders. If you sell to players, 1620c would be your break-even point at these rates. Cookie cutters for 2 plat to the occassional buyer by my experience. Over 2 weeks of auctioning I found 3 cooks in Freeport interested, so don’t stock up on too many of these, like one at a time. Assuming above costs and overall 40% success rate, and 10 combines per level needed, and you sell back to vendors, you will need 140 combines, at 500c per combine roughly to skill 42 to 56 or 70pp.

4C. Skill level 42-56 Metal sheets: 2 small brick of ore (650c), water. (venders sell for 1295c, and cost 1340cc to make if this recipe correct. Venders buy for 774). There is probably no market as they are readily available to people needing them at less than your cost to make. Exception, if you are in HH, halfling smiths if around may snap these up to make small banded armor. Small molds are in Misty thicket, but closest sheets of metal for them are Qeynos Hills, or Freeport. Metal sheets can be considered a quick expensive route of skilling up. The only places I know to buy sheets of metal in Norath, are in Qeynos Hills and Freeport. So if you are smithing small size banded in Rivervale you will have to make your own metal sheets buying the bricks in High Hold Keep, other wise it just isn’t feasible as you have to make multiple trips over vast distances to Qeynos or Freeport. Potentially 140 combines to go from 42 to 56 skill, so about 70pp net cost potentially if you sell these back to vendors, otherwise you have potentially 70 sheets to use later for banded, major inventory storage problem though as they do not stack.

5A. Skill level 51-58 make Lanterns: bits(200c), lantern mold (181c), bottle(8c), water) (trivial of 58 confirmed post 9/00 patch by Borrell.) lantern casting molds sold in QH at cottage and at McDaniel’s Smokes. Get bottles at a taverns. In Halas, Leopok in bank has bottles. Greta Terrian outside of McDaniels has bottles for 6c. In East Freeport bottles are on second floor of chops and hops in south west corner of zone (the lower poor district reached via an obscure passage behind Felith and Bards imported Goods. It is quite tedious making lanterns with 4 components, and continually roaming around to restock the molds and bottles. Mysk reports 172 attempts skill 41 to 64 (7.4 combines per skill level). She is a high intelligence, high wisdom player. When I made lanterns I was experimenting with many other items so I do not have data to compare for a barbarian. Assuming 70 combines for level 51 to 58 cost to skill up is 28pp minus return on 70 successses (Borrell reports no failures skill level 51 to 58) selling back for 200c or 14pp, net cost 14pp. There is no point in selling these to players. They’d make fine gifts to newbies though, these are large lanterns by the way, a nice light source and they work just like the store bought kind.

(NA means not applicable, not a skilling up item, due to difficulty in supply procurement or high net cost)
Make if customer special order.
5B: Skill level NA – 62 Forged throwing knife: water (13c), metal sheet (1300c), throwing knife mold (10c). dam 5, del 35, wt 0.5, range 45?,60?, cost 1.3p

5C: Skill level NA - 82 Javelins water, metal sheet (1.4pp), javelin mold (11c) dam 7 delay 33, range 205, cost 1.5p, vendor buys for 453c see source of molds near middle of this document. Assuming 10 combines per skill level, 220 combines cost 330pp, minus assumed 110 successes selling for 50pp or 280pp. There is no conceivable player market for this.

5D: Skill level NA - 75 Forged ******* sword: 1HS weapon, dual edged mold 1944c, hilt mold 648c, pommel mold 648c, metal sheet 1303c, water flask 13c (vender sells ******* sword for 15P damage 8) cost to make 4600c, dmg 7, delay 33, wt 6.5 sell for 9pp. cost 4pp Due to mold availability, this is special order item only, not a skilling up item. Tepxal writes: this sword is usable and desired by Druids. I think it is the only straight bladed slashing weapon they can use.

5E: Skill level NA - 75 Morning star: Trival 75 spiked ball mold 2592c, hilt mold 648c, metal sheet 1303c, water flask 13c, trivial below level 141, costs 4600c to make, 1 hand blunt weapon, dmg 8, delay 38, wt 9, sell for 9pp cost 4pp. Due to mold availability, this is special order item only, not a skilling up item.

5F: Skill level NA - 91 Forged Two Handed sword: heavy blade mold 3887c, hilt mold 648c, Pommel mold 648c, sheet of metal 1303c, water 13c, cost to make is 6600c (vender sells 2H sword for 27 plat damage 12) not trivial at 141, I had 1/2 successes at 141. Damage 12, delay 44, wt 11, sell for 15pp. cost 5pp. Due to mold availability, this is special order item only, not a skilling up item.

6A: Skill level 58-82 Forged shurikin: water, metal sheet (1.4pp), shurikin mold (11c), dam 4, delay 25, range 65, wt 0.5 cost 1.3p, yield is 10 per combine, cost 150c per shuriken, vendor buys for 91c. May be viable to skill up with as there is a player market and they stack.

6B. Skill level 58-115 make Skewers Metal Bits (200c), water (13c), mold (104c) Cost per attempt is 315c.
10 % success rate at Skill level 70. Skill level 77 success rate was about 25%, Skill level 82 success rate less than 50%, Skill level 90 success rate starts rising, Skill level 100 success rate 70-80%. Mystk reports 276 attempts to go from skill 68 to 109 with her high intelligence enchanter. Rough guess would be 50-60pp at this stage net cost, a barbarian cost is likely double on basis of more combines needed, and cost increase in components. 57 skill levels would take 570 attempts or 180pp, if overall 50% success, 286 success sell for ??2g or 57pp, net cost to skill up 133pp. If dark race no skewer molds available, use alternatives like sewing kits etc. other cooking items. There is no market for skewers except for the occassional cook

6B. Skill level 71-101 Pie tins and other cooking items: cake round and muffin tin are trivial at 101 , also need ceramic liners, that need a potter, so not very practical to use. After you are a master smith, and if you master pottery (a cheap and fast trade to master) these sell occassionally for a few pp. Other cooking items, such as muffin tins, cake rounds, smokers, bread tins, all have similar problems, and very low demand. Best to make them on request only after you are a master. Recipes further on in document. These are fairly complex and time consuming to make, and are definitely not an item to make for skilling up, but only after you are a master, specifically for resale.

7A. Skill level 115-122 make pots: bits (200c), pot mold (465c), standing leg mold (195c), water (13c) net cost about 880c, vender buys at 527c. You will sell these back to vendors. The rare cooks buys them for 2pp. Be aware that most of the cooking recipes involving pots on the web are wrong. See my baking guided for true and tried recipes. When you use wrong ingredients you lose the pot. WARN your customers. It is miserable to lose a 2pp tool to make an item worth 2 silver. Pots will skill you up faster, but banded will be break even selling to players at skill level 115, and as you approach 120 you will actually start making significant money on select items of banded armor. Net cost to skill up 70 attempts is 61pp minus assumed 35 successes returning 16pp, or about 45pp.

7B. Skill level 123-135 Make small sewing kits: needle mold, thimble mold, bits, water. Cost is about 750c and venders buy back at 440c. Again, this is fast route up, but they are a container, so you can’t even put them in back packs. This makes a 2 slot sewing kit, which is a nice give away to newbies that need to combine spiderling silks. Assuming 120 combines net cost is 90pp minues assumed 35 successes returning 15pp give net cost to skillup 75pp. Molds not available in Freeport, but are available at Inn just as you enter Northern Ro from East Freeport. I wondered if you could get a larger kit and tried with out success ("these ingredients do not combine") the following recipes: 1 needle mold, 1 thimble mold, 2 bits, 1 water, and 2 needle molds, 2 thimble molds, 2 bits, 1 water. Considering none of the books mention making larger kits is possible I ended my experimentation.

7C: Skill level 100-175: make banded armor for resale to players. Several pages further in this document are very detailed instructions, and this should be reviewed before starting. As each item becomes trivial, add next one to your list of armor you can make, and make all kinds to keep a variety on hand for resale. If you make banded too much below triviality, high failure rates occur. At the point you start making banded you can head back to your home city. Banded is in demand everywhere. Stash up on about 120 metal bits to have on hand for future endevours (cooking items, studs, boning). If you make banded on west coast you will be buying molds in either Halas area or cottage in Qeynos hills, and sheet metal at the cottage in Qeynos hills. I made 2-300 pp selling at twice my making costs, between skill level 115 and 139. You can only carry so much at a time, and you have to wander a lot of zones auctioning your wares. Also, pay attention to details below as to which items of banded you can make at a given level, you lose 3-5 plat per failed attempt. There is really not much point in pushing your skill up rapidly at this level, other than pride, or you want to make fine plate and race specific armor at 50 to 100pp per attempt, or want the ability to make ALL items of banded with high success rates.

If you use a charisma 105 character to buy and sell banded supplies, you break even within a few gold on cloaks, mantels, legs, gloves not counting failures. At skill level in 160’s cloaks fail about 10% of time, and all other items fail about 5% of the time. It takes my barbarian about 20 combines per skill level. At charisma 65 (my barbarian) you will lose1.5 to 2pp every sale back to a vendor. Because I was eager to get to skill 175 to make the new armor, at skill level 165 I began selling back to vendors, after filling up an alternative character with an inventory of legs, mantels, gloves, and cloaks and running out of excess cash. With failures it cost me about 10pp per skill level with my wisdom buffed with basic jewelry and using a charisma 105 character to do buying and selling for my barbarian smith.

If you are selling to vendors with pure goal of skilling up, stick to this sequence.
100-115 banded wrists, gorget for resale, mold, 1 sheet metal, water
115-123 banded boots: mold, 1 sheet metal, water
123-135 banded mask, helm, belt: mold, 2 sheets metal, water
135-168 banded gloves, legs: mold, 2 sheets metal, water. mantel: mold, 3 sheets metal, water
168-175 banded cloak: mold, 2 sheets metal, water

8. Skill level 175 – 200: Make fine steel plate from Sept 2000 patch. See detailed notes further in this document. These are all extremely expensive and extremely complex to make. As of now, trivial levels for collar, face, bracers is 181. One player reports 3 successes on 8 attempts at fine plate at skill level 152. Another player reports 15% failure rate at skill level 135 with strength and intelligence buffs. At 30 to 100pp per attempt, don’t do it before you trivialize on banded. Watch your success rates, I suspect they will be good enough that skilling up further will not need to be your primary goal.

9. Skill level 200? - ?: Make race specific armor. The first trade that you get to 200 on you will automatically specialize, and can go higher. All other trades will be capped at 200. Most Cabilis Scale armor is trivial at 185 by one player report.