Blacksmiths have the ability to forge their own armor and weapons both for personal use and for sale to others.
What are the best strategies for developing and using the blacksmithing skill? What items are the most and least useful ones to forge? Which classes are best suited to take up this trade? Can you make a profit off of blacksmithing, and if so how? Which cities are the best places to practice your trade?
Post your strategies on how to best use and develop the blacksmithing skill, and read, rate and comment on those posted by others.
I want to make a mithril alloy rod (WE cultural) and on the description (EQTC) I read "recommended lvl of 45". Now, my druid is lvl 23. Will it be possible for me to craft the rod at my level (or to assemble the bow afterwards)??? Thx for any help !
The important thing with all tradeskill recipes is the number at the right-hand side of that EQTC box - the trivial number.
It shows it as 146, so if you're around that skill level, you'll be able to craft it. You may get lucky at lower levels, but the closer you are to the trivial level, the easier it will be to succeed. Note that there is always a small chance you will fail, even once your skill has exceeded the item's trivial number.
You're obviously going to use this for fletching, as it is used in 3 combinations for the planar woods. Can't tell you if you'll be able to use the bow, as I don't fletch! (Yeah - a Wood Elf that doesn't make bows - go figure! ) Once again as long as your fletching skill is high enough (all three combos are over 190 trivial), you'll be able to make the beam or branch.
Level has no bearing on non-class specific tradeskills. You can advance your skill as high as you like at level 1, if you have the money and time. Hence level also has no bearing on what you can make - your skill level in the chosen trade is all that determines your success or failure.
Doesn't really matter. Unless you are a cleric you'll be buying all your imbued gems. If you decide on a cleric, you'll get to imbue one deity's gems yourself. Still the best seller is Fierce heraldic, and NO HUMAN can imbue those (jade), so you gotta buy them, or have someone make (ogre shaman who worships Rallos Zek).
Human - heraldic Barbarian - Helanic Tundra Dwarf - brellium/underfoot High Elf - full mithril Dark Elf - tier'dal regent Ogre - Darkscale Iksar - ??? forget the name
May have missed someone, but I think thats the list. Check out Eqtraders.com for more info on these armors. Iksar is probably the toughest, since cultural ingredients are so expensive, and the market for the armor is the smallest
Humans have heraldic AND Seafarer's AND Field plate and Full plate. I would suggest a Human because they have so many kinds of cultural armor, and the cultural armor they make can be worn by many other races.
Nearly all races have more than one cultural armor. However, MOST of them are not salable these days.
New cultural:
Heraldic - yes sells well, depending on imbue, profitable Fine seafarers - hard as hech to sell, very small market, for only a couple pieces. Tae ew chain blows it away, particulalry legs and tunic
Old cultural: Seafarers ringmail - Junk, worse than ry'gorr, which is dirt cheap. NO STATS Field plate - Impossible to sell, so many dropped armors are better. this stuff is mediocre AC and NO STATS Imbued field plate - can make a profit on this, but not much. Sells slow, must be aware which imbues sell best. Some just DO NOT move. Full plate - again complete junk, no stats, waste of materials. Enchanted full plate - a little better than imbued field plate, no deity restriction, but not as good as several cheap dropped armors. WASTE OF A ROYAL TEMPER, that can be used for heraldic.
If you want a race with SALABLE old cultural, the best is the dwarven.
Anybody can tell me what it would aprox. cost to raise my skill to 100, 150, 200? I want to begin smithing with a druid with 155 wisdom following the steps like given in Eqtraders (http://www.eqtraders.com/learn/learn_smithing5.htm). I just would like to know beforehand what it might cost. Thx for any help!
Thanks for giveing us a hint about how much it will cost us to lvl up in Blacksmithing :)
BUT, I have read in a guid that jewelcrafting was the most expensive one to become good at and in this guid it said it will cost you about 1500pp to 2000pp to get your skill up to 191.
191 is probably about the time you're forced into using platinum bars. Maybe a bit earlier than that, I can't really remember. The cost begins to spike drastically when you go from 10p per gold bar to 100p per platinum bar.
All jewelcraft components for skilling are bought at the store which has a steady price. Blacksmithing prices cost to skill is based on bazaar prices or willingness to farm. So if you're willing to farm I could see Blacksmithing being cheaper, but it would take a long, long time to get there.
JC is by far the cheapest skill to learn. platinum/ruby combines trivial at 285ish, cost 210p to make and sell for 200p if you enchant the platinum. unless you spend a lifetime farming shadowscream armor ( which trivials below that) you are stuck with cultural armors that require alot of farming and expensive imbued/enchanted materials or mistletoe cutting sickles that cost over 300p per combine and sell for almost nothing. they can be tributed for 1600p though so thats nice.
Don't do smithing unless you have alot of plat and time to spend, its very very expensive and time consuming, only tailoring is worse in the global trades, ive heard alchemy is worse though.
the cost ramps up dramaticaly for combines for all skill at about 220 except for tailoring where the cost ramps up at 180ish when you finish wu's armor. pretty much all of the skills canbe done cheaper if you farm, but most people find it easier to farm plat and buy the stuff at merchants or in bazaar
I have been taking the rusty weapons that I loot from skeletons and zombies, combining them in the forge with polishing stones. The result I get is a Tarnished weapon. It sells for more money. I was wondering if anyone knew how to get the tarnished weapon to be better. In other words after changing a rusty weapon to a tarnished weapon what is the next step? I have been fighting with this for weeks and I would appreciate anyones help. My e-mail addy is notdagirlnexdoor@aol.com. thanks.
You can't improve a tarnished weapon to make it become a better weapon (i.e. taking a tarnished broadsword and making it a regular broadsword). The best thing to do is to take the tarnished weapon + 1 flask of water and make it into a brick of ore. The ore is extremely valuable and increasing your smithing skills is MUCH cheaper when you use your own homemade ore instead of buying it from a vendor. Large bricks & blocks can be made into shields. Make shields to increase your skill level until you can make banded armour. There is always a huge market for shields.
I'm sorry, but that's as far as you can go improving the rusty weapons dropped by various mobs. They can be smelted down into ore to help your smithing skill along (see the link below in the post 'Weapon Smelting'), but that's about all you can do, other than sell them to a vendor.
So, I'm poor, like most new players, and I have to go get HQ ore, but permafrost is too much for me (lvl 23 pally). So, when I heard you can smelt weapons down, I was very happy. The only problem, I don't know where to find them. Any help would be very helpful.
Not too sure where you'll get FS weapons at your level. I'm trying to cast my mind back, as the ability to smelt weapons wasn't there when I was your level.
You could try duoing/grouping in SK and take on the gnolls at the Paw spires - they carry FS. The guards in Freeport also carry them - don't know if you're bothered about keeping faction there or not. Hill Giants and Sand Giants also carry them but a bit high for you, I'd imagine.
I was reading a post on a Weapon, and i heard someone comment "Oddly This item can not be smelted into ore" is there realy a way to smelt items into raw ore, or was this person just talking trash? and if there is a way i would like to know
There are indeed ways to smelt weapons down into usable ore. At the moment, it's limited to FS and tarnished weapons. Take a look at this link and scroll down to the bottom for the details:
Hola, I have collected several bricks of crude iron ore and was curious if there was any way to make these into useable ore. I've tried combining anywhere from 1 to 4 pieces with water flask to no avail. Collected enough for about 3 clowns to finish their newb armor and would like to start using my bank space, heh heh. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I believe that ore is only for the starting armour quests of various sorts. To make anything, you'll have to buy the ore from one of the vendors and use that.
I need help with blacksmithing. I'm SK gnome, whats the best way to get to skill level of 100. Also these mold things, Do you lose the mold everytime you make something? Thanks for your help.
You need to go to a place with easy access to water, ore, molds, and a forge. I did mine in Freeport, but I don't think that's a good choice considering you are an SK. Plane of Knowledge is of course fully equipped with no faction problems (kids these days have it so easy, back in MY day...) Neriak might also work for you.
Go to WWW.EQTRADERS.COM and look up the Blacksmtihing recipes. Start with the lowest trivial item and work your way up as each one trivials out. I'd suggest starting with metal bits (trivial 18), you will need tons of them later on, and you might as well make as many as you can while they give you a skill up.
I'd do bits, then files, then skewers, then scalars, pots, sewing kits, lanterns, dairy spoons, lockpicks, then I'd start on banded armor. (In that order).
And yes, molds are used up each time you make an attempt.
Another thing you might consider to get yourself going is to save all the rusty bladed weapons you find, then combine them in a forge with a sharpening stone. This turns it from 'Rusty' to 'Tarnished' - they are worth a bit more cash, and can get your skill into the mid-twenties.
Other than that, do as Dargadin says - go to eqtraders.com and get to know it - intimately! If you're serious about any tradeskill, you'll end up spending a LOT of time there! :O)
Up to this point I've been farming acrylia in DSP for income but have decided to take up smithing. I'm curious which of the varios types of acrylia that I often farm are the most valuable for smiths. In other words, which ones should I save for myself to use, and which should I sell for income.
I'm commonly harvesting: Small Pieces of Acrylia Small Bricks of Acrylia Large Bricks of Acrylia Blocks of Acrylia
I understand that I can break the small bricks down into small pieces - is there a skill up for doing so, and can I then sell the smaller pieces for more money? Or should I save the smaller pieces? It also appears that I can break Blocks down into Large Bricks and so forth, but if Blocks are highly sought after by smiths than I'd be stupid to do so. Or do smiths need Blocks and as a result often have to combine smaller Bricks to get them?
So I guess what I'm asking is that of the 4 drops that I'm farming, can someone please rank them in "usefullness" and "marketability" for smiths ? Which are used most commonly in recipies, etc? Thanks a bunch,
As a tailor stuck in the area of making Acrylia Studded armour, I can tell you that the small pieces are probably the most overpriced in the Bazaar on my server (Mith Marr).
They go from anywhere between 30 and 90pp per piece - However, having some smithing skill myself, I tend to buy the other pieces, as the small and large bricks and (especially) the blocks, are far better value. Why buy one piece for 50pp when I can by a brick for the same price and split it down into 2 pieces? There is always the (very low) chance of failing, but it still works out cheaper.
Certainly on Mith Marr, and I would imagine on most other servers, there is a market for all acrylia drops. You'll probably make the most out of pieces though, with the number of folk pushing up their tailoring skill for the shawl quests.
I have found that the prices for blocks, large bricks, and small bricks are much closer to being the same that I'd expect. But each size is in demand to make something different, and no one really combines the smaller ones to make the larger ones, or cuts a larger one into a smaller one it seems.
When I was doing my Acrylia Armor Project (2 suits, one for my warrior, and one for a friend), I was buying up blocks for sheets and large bricks to make rings to make the jointing. The rings are also for acrylia chain.
Small bricks are used to make arrow shafts, and pieces of acrylia are used to make bits which are used to make acrylia studs, for high end tailoring.
From what I have seen, just sell whatever you farm at the best price oyu can get, there's a market for it all, from different groups. If you "resize" what you farm you will end up losing money.
Blocks of acrylia = folded acrylia sheets (used for acrylia plate) Large bricks = acrylia rings (acrylia chain, and chain jointings for acrylia plate) the small bricks and pieces are used for acrylia studs, and arrow shafts, but I've never made either, so cannot say which is which.
I have a 136 skill with my drwaf. I am trying to get her to the 225 range. What is the cheapest way to do it. I want to make Mistletoe Cutting Sickle and then the Underfoot breastPlate.
Since you are a dwarf, you can continue to progress with dwarven chain, imbued/enchanted dwarven chain, dwarven plate, enchanted dwarven plate, imbued dwarven plate, enchanter imbued dwarven plate etc.
Dwarves have one of the best cultural armor skill ladders in the game (Barbarians have one of the worst). However, there really is no CHEAP way to get smithing up. It's an expensive skill to learn.
I just hit 115 making banded and I'm ready to move on. What I'm wondering is if I really have to bother with ornate chain. If so, where do I get those electrum/gold bars? Would moving on to fine steel bracers be a waste of time/money?
Also, I read that you can now recycle FS weapons into HQ ore, what's the conversion rate from weapon to ore, and how's it done?
Dear God!! Someone please help me out! Kuron Steelfeather here, I'm a dwarf on the nameless server and I'm in great need of the services of a Troll Smithy. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find one with the level of skill at 250 that I need. Please, if you're a Troll Smithy of 250th skill level, give me a tell or simply respond to this post. I am planning on paying you a lot, thanks. -Kuron
Ok, so I answered some of my own questions. To get ore out of FS weapons, you just put the weapon in the forge with one water. I performed the following combinations with the results as below.
Dagger, Morning Star, Longsword, Great Staff: All give 1 small block of high quality ore.
Warhammer, Spear, Two handed sword: All give 1 small block of high quality ore plus 1 small piece of high quality ore.
I don't know what the trivials are, but they're all under 115 as that was my skill when I tried combining these weapons.
If anyone knows where to get electrum/gold bars, I still need to know that.
Not done any ornate chain smithing myself (I was lucky enough to get to 175 before they lowered the triv on banded!), but you should find the bars you need on any jewelcraft vendor. Check out www.eqtraders.com for a full list of them by zone.
Hi, I'm beginning smithing with a human, unsure which diety yet. I've got the basic ideas down, but my question is: How do the forges work? I know a human can use either human cultural, but can they use other races' forges too?
THe ONLY forges that are race restriced are the cultural forges. ONLY humans can use the Freeport and Qeynos CULTURAL forges, but anyone can use all of the other forges in Freeport and Qeynos. Similarly, a human may not use any other race's cultural forge, but may use any other normal forge in that city. So my human smith could make mistletoe cutting sickles in Kaladim, but not dwarven cultural armor.
*i need to know how u can polish tarnised weppions ive got pritty good at sharping wepions but only get tarnised weppions when combind.all help i can get well be aprechated.
Sorry - Rusty-Tarnished is as far as you can go with sharpening stones. You'll have to try another way to advance your skill. Check out www.eqtraders.com for some good guides on getting going in any skill.
I can say for certain that it's the best, but I've done very well picking up acrylia in DSP off of the cavemen guys near the SE and ME zones. I'm looting them for sale, not smithing but in my last group - over 5 to 6 hours I got 1 Lg Brick, 1 Sm Brick, and 3 Sm pieces. That's just my share in a 4-6 person group. Being much higher level you can do much better. I will warn you though, you can go a couple hours without getting anything and then have 3 or 4 drop in 10 minutes. It's totally random as far as I can tell.
Is there some trick to getting past 199 in smithing? Ive done about 50 combines without a skill up. Main stat I'm using is Wis of about 227, Str about 170.....
You can choose to make any crafted item at any skill level. However, the chance for a successful combine will increase the higher your skill goes until you reach that item's trivial level.
After that point there is still a chance of failing, but it is quite small. From my experience, you seem to get the best return on combines/skillups when an item is about 20-25 points above your current level. More than that, you'll have a lot of failures, but you can still get a skillup on a failure. However, successful combinations increase the chance of a skillup, so it might be worth your while looking at something with a slightly lower trivial level than the spoons for your next step. (scaler [41], toolbox [51]) Good luck, whichever way you approach it!
well all the guides say do skewers till over 100 well i went to start skewers after lanterns at 65 and uh what's up, skewer's are trivial, what would yuou suggest making next instead of skewer's cuase the banded stuff fails too often.
If you are taking about trying to GM smithing the "fast" way, using mostly storebought components, and selling the finished product back to merchants, it will cost you about 300-500kpp.
If you are going to take your time, and sell everything decent you make in the bazaar, and will be making Old cultural, Acrylia plate, mistletoe sickles, black acrylia weapons, and eventually the new cultural, you should actually come out ahead by the time you hit 250. I'm at 207 smithing, and have made somewhere around 200kpp profit so far. Of course I've been smithing for over 1 and a half years. I also avoid any of the massive money sink smithing (eg. ornate chain, making sickles at too low a level <below 210 or so skill> ), and I don't have the patience for shadowscream.
Basically, you choices are, 1) drop about half a million plat, and GM smithing in a month, 2) spend every waking moment farming shadowscream components, and GM smithing free, and possibly fairly quickly, if you can devote 12 hours a day to it, or 3) make and sell the above mentioned items, smithing for profit, and let the skillups come as a side effect of making money.
It costs me 3kpp (102 cha (should be better at 120) and 255 str (easy with a shammy buff for an ogre)) to go from 21 to 160... After that the problem is not the cost it is the availability of the ingredients (specially after 180). look for spideling up to 180 (can be found in bazaar ... sometimes), but after cultural or acrylia ask for dropped things.
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that there are a lot more patterns listed on the EQ Trader site for chain armor than there there are patterns in the game? For instance. Mail and leggings are listed on EQ Trader's recipe/trivial list, but I haven't been able to find either of those two on any of the pattern vendors. Maybe someone knows of a special vendor for these patterns that isn't listed on EQ Trader's Supplies List?
Well, I went to Halas, in fact I went twice, but didn't find the chainmail patterns for leggings and mail. Just the same ones that are at all the other vendors I've been to. I looked in the PoK, Freeport, and Qeynos. So if anyone has any knowledge that those patterns actually exist, please let me know.
I think I'll write to whomever is responsible for the EQ Trader's Corner Recipe List (that shows trivials), and let them know their terminology is wrong. Thanks Darg.
I am a Darkelf master blacksmith with a skill of 115. I am stuck for ideas of what to smith to raise my skill with. As a Darkelf, I cannot buy or sell from the merchants in Freeport, especially now since I am kos to guards of the Freeport Milita after helping out kill Sir Lucan for the Paladin epic. But I've heard that places like Shadowhaven and Shar-val are also great places to buy smithing supplies. A fellow guild mate has to me to start making ornate chain armor, but I find it quite complexing. First of all,having to have a silver bar, (wich I don't know where to get or how to make if we can) flask of water, appropiate chainmail pattern (also not sure where to get these patterns) and high quality rings wich is the compicated part. I have checked eqtraders but still unsure of what to make with all those recipies. If anyone can give me a fast and easy way to raise my smithing skill to the next level, I'd love to hear your ideas. Thank you and good hunting!
You have quite a lot of choice now to advance smithing past 115, depending on how you want to do it.
Ornate chain is the obvious progression, making various sorts of that will get your skill up to 162.
You could go straight to Fine Steel, if you have a load of leather padding available (made from any LQ wolf/cat/bear skin + 1 silk thread), and this might be more sellable than the Ornate Chain.
You might also look at your cultural options, as there are quite a few available for Dark Elves in the smithing trade.
For forge and supply locations, check this link: http://www.eqtraders.com/location/smithing.htm
For normal weapon and other non-armour smithing combinations, have a look at these: http://www.eqtraders.com/secrets/smithing_conversions.htm http://www.eqtraders.com/secrets/smithing_implements.htm http://www.eqtraders.com/secrets/smithing_weapons.htm
For armour combinations, check: http://www.eqtraders.com/secrets/smithing_armor.htm
And for your cultural options, look here: http://www.eqtraders.com/secrets/recipes_smithing_darkelf.htm
Basically, pick a city in which you can work which contains a good range of supplies, and pound away. I wish I could give you a definitive guide here, but I was fortunate enough to get my skill up to 175 on banded before they reduced the trivials on that.
Can anyone tell me how to go about getting "Essence of Wind," which is used in "Combine Acrylia Temper," which is an ingredient in "Acrylia Plate Armor"?