Classes: The Bard
 | Bards - the jack of all trades. Each level is a new song and a new way to play. Handy with a weapon and able to wear decent armor, bards can hold their own in a fight. Plus, the ability to twist two to three songs without using mana gives the bard a magical ability like no other class.
What are the strengths and weaknesses of the bard? Can they solo, and if so how? How should they best contribute to the group? What is the best strategy to develop your bard? What skills and songs are the most important for you to master? What equipment should you be trying to get for your bard. Post your strategies on how to best play and develop the bard and read, rate and comment on what others have to say. |
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O.K. I know this is a stupid question, but I am very interested in making a new bard. Whats the way you go when starting from scratch? How do you choose the best race for you and what do you dump the bonuse creation points into? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Race doesn't matter, ever.
Diety only use is for diety specific armor, many go Agnostic so they can access areas with illusion masks that you would otherwise be kos at.
The only stat that matters to a new bard is WISDOM, it is the ONE stat you will NEVER need. The rest do as you please, it's impossible to make a bad bard, how you play it is what makes or breaks you. For more info, eqdiva.com.
Diety only use is for diety specific armor, many go Agnostic so they can access areas with illusion masks that you would otherwise be kos at.
The only stat that matters to a new bard is WISDOM, it is the ONE stat you will NEVER need. The rest do as you please, it's impossible to make a bad bard, how you play it is what makes or breaks you. For more info, eqdiva.com.
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Okay, I was wondering how the person responding to the posted question would say that base stats were not important? According to castersrealm, at creation dexterity and charisma play a huge factor with a sub factor of strength, depending on race chosen, dexterity effects how well you learn your weapons and also is the determiner in how much you miss notes (fizzle) your songs...Charisma is going to play a role in several things including, sell price, how npc's look at you and how well you can lull/charm a mob. So I guess although I do not claim to know everything I had to put my 2cp worth in on this.
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Casters Realm is so out of date it is not funny.
Want real info on the class see EQDIVA.com
We have discussed this particular issue to the moon and beyond. With the exception of wisdom, you can put your points anywhere you want and it won't matter. They are all good, and your gear will make up for deficiencies as you go.
The biggest part of the bard class is the person playing it. I know someone who just started playing the game 3 weeks ago now who is already getting close to 50 soloing, from the info he got from EQDIVA.
Want real info on the class see EQDIVA.com
We have discussed this particular issue to the moon and beyond. With the exception of wisdom, you can put your points anywhere you want and it won't matter. They are all good, and your gear will make up for deficiencies as you go.
The biggest part of the bard class is the person playing it. I know someone who just started playing the game 3 weeks ago now who is already getting close to 50 soloing, from the info he got from EQDIVA.
NO! NO! NO! NO! My goodness folks check your facts beofre you post!
WIS never did squat for any bard. Bards need STR, DEX, and CHA.
STR because bards are a plate class. You need the STR to carry around all that armor. DEX because it reduces the frequency of missed notes (bard equivelent to spell fizzles). CHA is needed for harmonizing/pacifiying mobs. If you fail and the mob resists your CHA will determine if the mob will get pissed off enough at your attempt to want to come and attack you or not.
As for race it really doesn't matter. Go with what looks cool.
Religion is a different matter. Agnostic would be a better choice since it is easy to overcome faction problems due to race but almost impossible to overcome faction problems due to religion. Bards have a strength in that with illusion masks and agnostic faction they can, eventually, travel to any city safely.
Castersrealm is very outdated. I would not rely on them at all. They are not on my shortcut list anymore. I don't think they've been updated for EQ in 2 yrs except to add the new classes. Go to www.eqdiva.com for all the latest info on bards.
WIS never did squat for any bard. Bards need STR, DEX, and CHA.
STR because bards are a plate class. You need the STR to carry around all that armor. DEX because it reduces the frequency of missed notes (bard equivelent to spell fizzles). CHA is needed for harmonizing/pacifiying mobs. If you fail and the mob resists your CHA will determine if the mob will get pissed off enough at your attempt to want to come and attack you or not.
As for race it really doesn't matter. Go with what looks cool.
Religion is a different matter. Agnostic would be a better choice since it is easy to overcome faction problems due to race but almost impossible to overcome faction problems due to religion. Bards have a strength in that with illusion masks and agnostic faction they can, eventually, travel to any city safely.
Castersrealm is very outdated. I would not rely on them at all. They are not on my shortcut list anymore. I don't think they've been updated for EQ in 2 yrs except to add the new classes. Go to www.eqdiva.com for all the latest info on bards.
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Slipskin, like so many others, you did not READ with Comprehension, what I posted. Try again. Read the entire sentence.
It says, and I paraphrase myself here, "Wisdom is the most important stat to remember, because it is the one you will never use." Which is just another way of saying don't bother with it.
IMO, if people won't take the time to read and comprehend what is in front of them, then it is on them when they ***** up and do the wrong thing.
Scanning is fine for reading novels, not fine for reading guides and the likes. You'll miss something thinking you understand what was already said.
It says, and I paraphrase myself here, "Wisdom is the most important stat to remember, because it is the one you will never use." Which is just another way of saying don't bother with it.
IMO, if people won't take the time to read and comprehend what is in front of them, then it is on them when they ***** up and do the wrong thing.
Scanning is fine for reading novels, not fine for reading guides and the likes. You'll miss something thinking you understand what was already said.
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I would have to say Wood Elves are a very good place to start
out moainly because it is a very good hunting ground. You can
get up to a very high level without really leaving the area.
Tons of people to group with to
out moainly because it is a very good hunting ground. You can
get up to a very high level without really leaving the area.
Tons of people to group with to
I would have to agree with Bdfoster, it doesn't matter which stats you put your points into. Because we come back to the fact that Bards are a little of everything, so you could make a sound argument for all the stats except wisdom obviously. I would avoid putting too many points in Charisma though, most bard gear ends up usually having a bit of charisma (as well as dexterity) on it. Plus, since you'll rarely end up with a chanter in the same LDoN group, you get the CHA augs by default. My bard has never bought gear for the charisma, and his is still about 160.
59 Bard Yzuki Stromm
"...and one time at bard camp, I put my troubador's mace up my ***"
59 Bard Yzuki Stromm
"...and one time at bard camp, I put my troubador's mace up my ***"
There no longer is a "best race" for any class. There is enough gear/twinkage out their that any race can handle any class, especially at high end. Race is only a factor with two things:
1) Appearance--Remember, your character's appearance is largly what you are stuck with. Yes, you can tweak it, but you can't change your looks completely.
2)Low lvl game-- During the first 10 levels or so, the starting are can impact you. Not as much now that anyone can use PoK to get to alternate areas, but it still has an impact.
Once you get outta the low lvls, race is eye candy and/or for roleplayers.
1) Appearance--Remember, your character's appearance is largly what you are stuck with. Yes, you can tweak it, but you can't change your looks completely.
2)Low lvl game-- During the first 10 levels or so, the starting are can impact you. Not as much now that anyone can use PoK to get to alternate areas, but it still has an impact.
Once you get outta the low lvls, race is eye candy and/or for roleplayers.
U can never go wrong with a little STA though...
Class is no longer an issue but for first few levels its nice to have a little Dex just to get your twisting going from the start.
I will however say that Agnostic may help with KoS zones but I rarely need to go to such zones with my bard and to be honest i think KoS zones are all part of the fun and the roleplay. I personally took a Half Elf Bard and followed tunare, twinking her with imbued koada'dal mithril armour and later moving to the blessed. Great ac, nice stats and light. The prices for Deity armour is far cheaper too.
I will however say that Agnostic may help with KoS zones but I rarely need to go to such zones with my bard and to be honest i think KoS zones are all part of the fun and the roleplay. I personally took a Half Elf Bard and followed tunare, twinking her with imbued koada'dal mithril armour and later moving to the blessed. Great ac, nice stats and light. The prices for Deity armour is far cheaper too.
Uhh.. class is an issue for the whole game. Race is what becomes irrelevant. ;)
(I know, its probably what you meant, but still had to point it out.)
(I know, its probably what you meant, but still had to point it out.)
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Myself, I am a Wood Elf Bard. This is a good race because kelethin is a great starting city with plenty of bard newbie quests you can do. Some ever to get you a nice weapon, shield, and a full suit of armor. Half Elves & Humans also have the armor quests in Freeport and Qeynos, but they do not have the weapon quest, or so Ive heard. But they best race (In my opinion) Is a Vah Shir. They have decent starting strength and dexterity. Meaning the only thing u might have to work on is charisma. But since u get 25 starting points I suggest these (The stats below are based on Wood Elf Starting stats)
STR:70 + 10 =80
STA:65
AGI:95
DEX:90 + 10 =100
WIS:80
INT:75
CHA:85 + 5 =90
That will set your character on a good path. The adding for stats can be used on any race, this is just what it would look like if you were a wood elf. Good Luck, and happy hunting =)
Bard of the 58th Season
Cazic-Thule
STR:70 + 10 =80
STA:65
AGI:95
DEX:90 + 10 =100
WIS:80
INT:75
CHA:85 + 5 =90
That will set your character on a good path. The adding for stats can be used on any race, this is just what it would look like if you were a wood elf. Good Luck, and happy hunting =)
Bard of the 58th Season
Cazic-Thule
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Myself, I am a Wood Elf Bard. This is a good race because kelethin is a great starting city with plenty of bard newbie quests you can do. Some ever to get you a nice weapon, shield, and a full suit of armor. Half Elves & Humans also have the armor quests in Freeport and Qeynos, but they do not have the weapon quest, or so Ive heard. But they best race (In my opinion) Is a Vah Shir. They have decent starting strength and dexterity. Meaning the only thing u might have to work on is charisma. But since u get 25 starting points I suggest these (The stats below are based on Wood Elf Starting stats)
STR:70 + 10 =80
STA:65
AGI:95
DEX:90 + 10 =100
WIS:80
INT:75
CHA:85 + 5 =90
That will set your character on a good path. The adding for stats can be used on any race, this is just what it would look like if you were a wood elf. Good Luck, and happy hunting =)
Bard of the 58th Season
Cazic-Thule
STR:70 + 10 =80
STA:65
AGI:95
DEX:90 + 10 =100
WIS:80
INT:75
CHA:85 + 5 =90
That will set your character on a good path. The adding for stats can be used on any race, this is just what it would look like if you were a wood elf. Good Luck, and happy hunting =)
Bard of the 58th Season
Cazic-Thule
race is not really an issue depends on what you want for starting stats i chose vah shir for the str bonus, but any bard race is good. I do agree that agnostic is the way tgo go, I wish i could go back and change my monk to agnostic. my main is a lvl 66 necro and jsut toying with my bard i leveled him to 40 in now time. casters realm although in its day had great helpful info EQDiva is a must for any new bard tons of stuff to read that will help
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I recommend putting all your starting points into stamina,it is the hardest stat to raise with equipment by far.and also is the most vital one as well ,being your hit points and all.remember
the more stam you start the game with,the more stam you gain per lvl,the more hp you have at end game and throughout.
DEX is sooooo easy to buy equip to get it raised.<cheap>
Str almost as easy!<cheap>
charisma - not quite as easy but still very doable <cheap>
infact if your in a guild just get them to help you get a mask of deception,it has dark elf illusion and a +13 to charisma right there!,and it's free <no drop>
you picked a fun class! enjoy
the more stam you start the game with,the more stam you gain per lvl,the more hp you have at end game and throughout.
DEX is sooooo easy to buy equip to get it raised.<cheap>
Str almost as easy!<cheap>
charisma - not quite as easy but still very doable <cheap>
infact if your in a guild just get them to help you get a mask of deception,it has dark elf illusion and a +13 to charisma right there!,and it's free <no drop>
you picked a fun class! enjoy
I recommend putting all your starting points into stamina,it is the hardest stat to raise with equipment by far.and also is the most vital one as well ,being your hit points and all.remember
the more stam you start the game with,the more stam you gain per lvl,the more hp you have at end game and throughout.
DEX is sooooo easy to buy equip to get it raised.<cheap>
Str almost as easy!<cheap>
charisma - not quite as easy but still very doable <cheap>
infact if your in a guild just get them to help you get a mask of deception,it has dark elf illusion and a +13 to charisma right there!,and it's free <no drop
i would pick either a cat or a half elf for a bard.althouggh no a days any of the races will do just fine.
the more stam you start the game with,the more stam you gain per lvl,the more hp you have at end game and throughout.
DEX is sooooo easy to buy equip to get it raised.<cheap>
Str almost as easy!<cheap>
charisma - not quite as easy but still very doable <cheap>
infact if your in a guild just get them to help you get a mask of deception,it has dark elf illusion and a +13 to charisma right there!,and it's free <no drop
i would pick either a cat or a half elf for a bard.althouggh no a days any of the races will do just fine.
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