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Runed Bolster Belt  
 

MAGIC ITEM
Slot: WAIST
AC: 5
STR: +10 DEX: +10 STA: +10
Haste: +31%
WT: 0.1 Size: SMALL
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Item Type:Armor
Stackable:No
Merchant Value:55 pp 0 gp 0 sp 0 cp
Tribute:9297
Lucy Entry By:Hob
Updated By:Lyratrix
Source:Live
Updated:Thu Oct 9th, 2008


Average Price: 35,000pp Pricing Data...
Rarity: Ultra Rare
Level to Attain: 45

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DreadlandsEmerald JunglePermafrost KeepSkyfire MountainsTimorous Deep


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Runed Bolster Belt
# Aug 02 2006 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Dropped off Faydedar tonight on Bertox.
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a thought for dessimus
# Aug 08 2005 at 12:45 AM Rating: Decent
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u said u would never go on a raid unless u could loot. and that u need the pp for spells. why dont u try to get into a good raid guild. most good raidguilds have most all high level spells stocked up for the members who need it and not only that but the items that are droping are much better then anything naggy could possible drop. just a friendly suggestion from a friend of all who play eq or eq2 peace love happiness.
Minimum Level?
# Mar 14 2005 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
OK May be a stupid question but, ... what level does the Haste Effect kick in? 45? Just picked this up for my Rogue and love it, but dont "feel" a difference in attack speed.
RE: Minimum Level?
# Feb 16 2006 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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not sure if this is still the case but... the level required for the haste effect is the same as the haste %.. so runed bolster belt would be 31...
Woot
# Feb 22 2004 at 5:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Just got this nice Item for my Bard.. Altso Red Dragon Scales for my epic from Talendor!!

One **** of a nice item!!

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there are much better
# Jan 07 2004 at 8:59 PM Rating: Default
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Spike Seahorse Hide Belt is much better,an extra 3 % haste better,not to mention the hp's and mana.
My two cents worth
RE: there are much better
# Apr 14 2004 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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does 3% haste difference really all that
RE: there are much better
# Apr 30 2004 at 9:03 AM Rating: Decent
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3% haste is 3% more swings and is not noticeable unless you have a fast weapon and you are fighting a LOOOOOOONG time.
RE: there are much better
# Apr 30 2004 at 6:30 AM Rating: Default
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Hehe prolly won't notice the diff...Ihave an RGB, borrowed a Soul Scream just to see the diff, I couldn't tell...but then, my Paly is a Dorf so he kinda dumb Smiley: grin
Vox Raid Last night
# Dec 05 2003 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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I got one of these last night on a vox raid 12-03-03

four of them dropped, thats right four. And the paladin epic. Ultra rare, yet 4 dropped? WTF
RE: Vox Raid Last night
# Dec 21 2003 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Its not a rare drop, its rare in the sense that u can only get them once a week from a raid event. 4 droping is rare however.
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Drop
# Nov 16 2003 at 7:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Does RBB actually drop from all 4 dragons listed above?
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31% haste
# Sep 17 2003 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
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this belt has 31% haste according to lucy and magelo. I say it's a better buy than the broken drivebelt which has 34% haste due to the fact that it's stats have no recommended level and it has better stats. Great belt, highly recommend it.

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crud
# Aug 06 2003 at 8:18 AM Rating: Default
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been trying to get one of these bad boys for some time now but no vox or gore raids been happening Larynx Throatchop 58 monk Ayonae Ro
RE: crud
# Aug 31 2003 at 7:56 AM Rating: Default
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No vox raids?! Thats unheard of on Innoruuk, that blue dragon ***** never lives longer than 24 hours after spawning. Became a weekly event of killing her until I finally got my pally epic piece from her.
lkbjhgloiho
# Aug 03 2003 at 2:12 PM Rating: Default
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Hello,whats haste percent on this amazing item??

THAMKS
RE: lkbjhgloiho
# Aug 18 2003 at 3:48 AM Rating: Default
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Haste is, I believe, 36%.
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RE: lkbjhgloiho
# Aug 18 2003 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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RBB is 31%

The 36% haste items are Cloak of flames, cloak of crystalline waters, cowl of mortality, and custom cowl of moratlity.

Might be some no drop ones, but those are the ones you'll see in the bazaar.
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Raiding for haste
# Aug 03 2003 at 10:33 AM Rating: Default
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If you are after this drop on a Naggy raid, <<novel thought>> go on a guild NBG (Need Before Greed) raid and not just a <</shout need help with naggy 45-52 PST>> raid. I have found that my guild tends to be pretty conservative about rolling and allowing rolling. I (a pal44) have never rolled on a FT item that a caster has wanted--there was a FT2 item that i lost a roll to another paladin on that no caster/healer wanted. NO caster or healer has ever been allwed to roll on a haste item. Maybe play to have fun instead of for just <<k331 l33+>>?
Raiding for haste
# Jun 28 2006 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
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if casters get to roll on the belt, I want to roll on your spells.
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RE: Raiding for haste
# Sep 16 2003 at 9:59 PM Rating: Default
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**** that... i never go on a need before greed raid unless im there to loot something specific... as a 58 chanter, i would roll on this and i would make sure that i could before i went... who cares if i couldn't use it... i could **** sure use the money to buy my expensive *** spells and gear... the way i look at it is unless it's no drop im rolling on it... and for those of you who say that's greedy, well i say it's pretty greedy of you to tell me i cant roll...
#AeroBLASTER, Posted: Dec 22 2003 at 3:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You roll on my 31% haste belt, I'm going to roll on your +20 int +80 mana helm. Because I could use the money.
RE: Raiding for haste
# Nov 22 2003 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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By your own arguement dessimus, I would love to be in your group when a rogue wins the roll on a glyphed rune word when you're still trying to scratch up 80k to buy Voice of Quellious and Vallion's Quickening. My guess is you would be screaming NBG in that case. But hey, at least you might be able to sell the haste item you deprived a melee class of a few levels earlier.

Do the work, get to 65 and grind out about 100 aa's. Then farming stuff becomes quite easy and you won't have to ***** another player out of an item they would actually use.

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RE: Raiding for haste
# Oct 05 2003 at 10:46 PM Rating: Default
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Please stay in PoK and do what you do best Dessimus, hand out C like a good little chanter. But thanks for giving us melee class a green light to roll on pure caster gear.

/group Sure I want in on the /alpha for that sweet INT caster item please =).

WEEEE !

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Why shouldn't casters roll?
# Jul 10 2003 at 3:20 PM Rating: Default
What's the pricetag on Ageo, KEI... even some bard songs are over 20k...

Roll on everything and F em all
#GambitTheGreatt, Posted: Dec 30 2003 at 7:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Or, you could only roll on stuff you'd use...Then maybe ppl wouldnt hate you.
RE: Why shouldn't casters roll?
# Jan 04 2004 at 2:28 AM Rating: Decent
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There are 2 opposing and valid points of view. If you are with your guild - then NBG is sensible since what helps your friends will harm your enemies and help you (in the long run). However, if you are on a pickup raid - then yes people should roll on all drops - esp on a raid like this. Why else would casters want to come? XP in raids is not good, and the Dragons (well Naggy & Vox) do not drop very much caster gear - and that gear is no where near the quality of the fighter gear.
As for all roll on all - yes it can be harsh to watch class xyz get the item you wanted - but in the long run it may be more equitable.


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Hybrids
# Jul 08 2003 at 5:44 PM Rating: Default
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First of all druids are not hybrids...... and second of all I know a lot of Rangers, including myself, who are hybrids, that want this belt rel bad and have gone on raids to get this belt


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#JudaBenhur, Posted: Jul 08 2003 at 11:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Will you Hybrids and Casters please post what server and guild you are in? I just want to make sure I avoid joining your guild.
#JudaBenhur, Posted: Jul 08 2003 at 10:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you hybrids want to roll for the belt so you can give it for your alts, let us melees roll for all those wonderful spells and caster stuff that drops so we can twink our alts. What idiots !!!
RE: Ok..let's be fair then..
# Jul 30 2003 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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Hybrids are melee, that's why they're called "hybrids" - they both melee and cast spells. Just about any hybrid would kill for an RBB.
#Lord Helpnot, Posted: Sep 08 2003 at 9:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ahahaha. I rolled a 98 ahhahaha. ahahahha... WHAT 99!!! Lol
#Ocelotez, Posted: Jun 11 2003 at 6:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Does it really matter who the gets the item? If some caster gets it MAYBE he or she has an alt melee and would really want it for him or her? I have a 52 druid as a main.. and participate in Vox and Naggy raids as much as i can!! I have an alt warrior at lvl 30 and i am trying to get the RBB to use for him... from my point of view alot of people have casters as mains and melee as alts.. casters make more money hands down so they can support melee's better.. just ease up a little when some caster wins RBB.. its not the end of the world
Druids
# Jun 08 2003 at 6:59 PM Rating: Default
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Guess what? I'm a druid, and sin of sins I solo. I personally keep all my combat skills up every lvl, off, def, 1hs, 1hb, 2hb. And guess what? I don't just root/snare/dot, rinse repeat. I actually *gasp* get in there and MELEE! Yes it's true. I'm lvl 39 and enjoy soloing about 50% of the time at least. Almost every haste item is for melee classes exclusively. So what's wrong with the occasional haste item going to a *gasp* non-melee class? I would love to find a haste item. Flame away, been to lots of pages and I've seen how everyone seems to think that druids are worthless for anything other than ports and buffing newbies/lowbies that are just starting out.
RE: Druids
# Sep 09 2003 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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I have a 54 druid, and can assure you that druids have their uses. However, meleeing isn't one of them. Your weapon skills cap so low, and your offense and defense skills are capped, making meleeing rather pointless.

Perhaps you enjoy doing it, and it is nice to keep defense capped, thru a little meleeing while soloing. However, your damage output from meleeing is going to be minimal, and therefore having a haste belt is a waste. You'll kill the mobs faster just sitting back and casting some dots, then going in and meleeing with whatever weapon you have handy, just to up your defense.

I honestly cannot think of many classes that need melee haste LESS than a druid, except perhaps the pure int casters, and i'd really call that a tie.

Edited, Tue Sep 9 10:10:32 2003
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#Slifer, Posted: Aug 24 2003 at 4:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Druids are worthless, go kite.
RE: Druids
# Sep 03 2003 at 9:21 PM Rating: Default
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A F'in men. You do not need haste.
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RE: Druids
# Sep 22 2003 at 3:16 PM Rating: Default
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Druids dont need haste items? Im a chanter i dont need a haste item when i get board and wana swing the malet i own a bit i give my self haste and c the 200-500 dmg i do in a fight. pretty worthless but fun all the same. It gets boring just casting some times its fun to get in there and hit. Druids cant cast haste so i guessing that a haste item would be nice. NTM Druids are great healers in the new zones ,if we doing a slaughter or collection which is what most want cause of ease and drops, but they do way more dmg then cleric and keep up heals just fine. so i would prefer a druid
#graveyard, Posted: Jun 29 2003 at 4:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) actually druids are worthless for anything other than ports, sow, and buffing newbs/lowbies
#Tlueril, Posted: Apr 11 2003 at 7:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lost this to a bard today... i had the highest roll til he rolled a 900 something the very last roll. a bard, are you kidding me? they have haste songs, rogues get no songs, no spells. IMO he shouldnt have even rolled. this is garbage, the one item i can use from the Vox raid and i get shafted. thanks Rrosh! you rule!
RE: Vox gone bad
# Jun 16 2003 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Or better yet try joining a guild with DKP . .. then things like this dont happen.
RE: Vox gone bad
# Apr 15 2003 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Bard songs stack with item haste. Quit crying over a lost roll and suck it up. Few things are worse than a sore loser...
RE: Vox gone bad
# Apr 13 2003 at 4:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I have one on my main a ranger currently... but as soon as I get a better haste item for him it is going to my bard... BTW Bard Haste Stacks With Item Haste so quit whining he won the roll. End of story.
RE: Vox gone bad
# Apr 27 2003 at 8:57 PM Rating: Default
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(quit whining)...

no doubt! he won the roll! maybe he just wants to sell it for 40,000 plat (going rate on Quellious server). it doesn't matter what he uses it for... he won the roll.

he helped in the raid to take down the mob just like everyone else did. he's entitled to share in the loot, regardless of whether someone thinks he is the one that can get the "best usage" out of it.

now, if the item were NO DROP and unusable by the person rolling, that would be a different story.

Edited, Sun Apr 27 21:21:47 2003
RE: Vox gone bad
# May 07 2003 at 4:45 AM Rating: Decent
Exactly, i got this of Sev the other day, i won the roll by 1 point (how close??). Anyways I went to try and sell it since I could use the profits to upgrade a **** of a lot of armour, or alternatively i could just have a 30+ haste item?

Obviously i went for the upgrades and peeps who were there when it dropped saw me selling it and started to flame my BL in tells. I told them about it being used to buy upgrades, and not caring what they thought. Anyways managed to get Storm rider leggings, Earring of Tempests, Valorium rings x2 and 6K towards my new waning Light Katar. Tell me all that isnt worth selling an RBB??

Gratz to all those who do get this though
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RE: Vox gone bad
# Jul 17 2003 at 9:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Hhmmmm, this sounds like the Sev kill where my lvl 57 warrior at the time, now 60, and still wearing a Silvery Belt of Contention because I can't afford better, lost the RBB to a BL that beat my roll by one point. The BL then turned around and had it up for sale within minutes, even though the raid leader had said that only those that actually needed and were going to use were to roll. That is the reason you got flamed in tells.

Edited, Thu Jul 17 22:43:17 2003
RE: Vox gone bad
# Feb 23 2004 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Sounds to me like the BL had a need and a use for that belt, and used the belt to fulfill his need.

Just because his needs and uses aren't the same as yours doesn't negate his needs or his uses.

If the belt were NO DROP and it just sat in his bank, I could buy your argument, in that he really has no great need.
Melee only
# Mar 16 2003 at 6:29 PM Rating: Default
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umm...do you see any caster related stats on this belt? i dont...wait im getting something...maybe its for melee!
Haste %
# Mar 12 2003 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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# Mar 08 2003 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Any guild who is going to allow their caster or priest to take haste over a needy melee class should just /guilddelete and save the embarassment. Any raid leader who is going to allow a caster or priest take haste over a needy melee should just /delete character to save embarassment.
#Anonhelo, Posted: Apr 03 2003 at 5:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok my 2cp to you I group with alot of "battle clerics" a priest class and with a parser they are doing more damage per second (this is including there proc) then our main tank in groups so if you can use the haste to do damage you get in on the roll imo. as far as problems with your server and guilds that play on that server say it to them not to the rest of us that really dont care about your petty BS.
RE: Noobz
# Apr 03 2003 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Um, if your guild is doing dragons to get dragon haste, there is no way your clerics will out-damage a melee class. We're not talking level 5 and 6 here, sonny.
grow up
# Jan 30 2003 at 2:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Lead your own raids, make your own descisions about who loots what and enjoy the game.
Just do this..
Start your chat channel before you go kill mr_big_mean_dragon_01 explain who is allowed to loot role on what according to whomever is running the raid. Then everyone that attends will understand the rules of the raid, and the petty ******** can stop. Where it should have. In the game, not on the Allakhazam message boards.

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Learn to spel, and other issues.
# Jan 11 2003 at 10:20 PM Rating: Default
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Read the below posts, note the word "melle". Check Webster's dictionary for such words. No such word can be found within it, be it a program, or a book. Well, there happens to be this little word, melee. And try, just try, spelling everything out. When you can't, you will see that your intellect is about the same as those of your "melle" character. After actually reading through quite a few of these pages, on many topics, I have found that people don't know how to spell, then go off and take the spelling from some 4th grader, who has no idea of the structure of the English language. Take care. Most posts that are around that actually use sentences, spell correctly, and concisely convey their point, have good-excellent ratings, provided of course on the accuracy of information, and whether or not it is a controversial issue.
My second point to make here, is that people should make a point, not flame. If you wish it be that all melee types only get the belt say so, don't go into hypocrisy, as most items do, eventually, get sold. I'm for seeing both points of view. I can see where the divine/arcane/melee division, hereby referred to as "the division", leads, and it detracts from the game. People here don't realize that you can, in fact, have multiple views. I can see the pros of having open rolls on all non no-drop class specific items, but I can also see the cons. Example one: The Runed Bolster Belt, hereby referred to as "the belt", does sell for more than Torbin's Mystical Eyepatch, hereby referred to as "the eyepatch", and is therefore more use to all classes, as one could simply sell the belt, and use the accrued value to purchase both the eyepatch, and another item. This effect is more economical, and "fair" in a sense, but gives less chance for a melee type to acquire the belt. The other view I see is that neither the belt, or the eyepatch, would have any applicable use to the other class. Why allow a useful object to one who would make little to no use out of it? This is another "fair" method, yet not economical.
But therein lies the problem. What form of compensation should be given to a large group of melee classes if the eyepatch does in fact drop in the multiplicative? Such would favor a single class-set, and therefore be neither fair, nor economical. Contrariwise, the problems with the other solution are, in their own way, just as obvious. The "more deserving" class-set has a less probability of acquiring the item, of which they were the intended end-user.
The thoughts of both groups, were there any, could, possibly, be something along the lines of: If I were to get this, I would be more able to help the group, should it be a multiple exploit society.
Both ways are, in application, flawed. The right directive applies to the right situation. For non-no-drop items, one should look at the group involved. Is it a guild? Is it a one-time group? Was this just for a specific item? Was that item dropped? For non-guild, non-specific items (items like epic pieces, when the group's point was to get them), it would, undoubtedly, be best to use the philosophy of everyone gets a chance, as they all participated. For guild raids, it would be best to go on use. For no-drops, based on class. And, lastly, for specific items, for the creator of the raid, who should be excluded from other rolls.

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Edited, Sat Jan 11 21:56:09 2003
RE: Learn to spel, and other issues.
# Feb 23 2004 at 5:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Wow, watch out! this guy knows how to use spelling and grammar check in MS Word! Oh.. Melee is the actual spelling of the word. It is pronounced "mey-ley" as well if you were wondering. In my honest opinion, this Fistandantlus guy can get off his high horse and stop ******** so much. I think I read 3 sentences and then decided to post this so ****** off if you ever read this reply. Some people take games and especally this one way to serious.. I just got a "RBB" today on a pick up vox raid, actually the raid was being run by a prominent guild on the server. They clearly said NBG raid, I had a 20HP belt on. I was allowed to roll on this belt, I won. A few monks were inspecting me, probably furious.. but I won. I am a Beastlord, and I can use *** kicking haste as much as anyone. :)
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RE: Learn to spel, and other issues.
# Jan 12 2003 at 3:47 PM Rating: Default
I see you knew what he meant by melle. Get over it.

Edited, Sun Jan 12 15:21:01 2003
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RE: Learn to spel, and other issues.
# Jan 11 2003 at 11:18 PM Rating: Default
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Ahh the bitter irony that I post a typo in the title...
how often
# Jan 10 2003 at 12:49 PM Rating: Default
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does this drop from gore?
RE: how often
# Mar 08 2003 at 9:50 PM Rating: Default
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yes sir E
ME ME ME ME
# Jan 10 2003 at 12:06 AM Rating: Default
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GRRR, most of you people make me sick, note i said most not all. I have been to about 15 Vox raids now, some guild, some open to all ( usually a level requirment for these tho, not gonna let a silly lvl 30ish get a roll if all they cant really contribute to the dragon slaying) and have more often than not left with no loot what so ever. Its not always about whats in it for me this time, but will I be included next time for another chance to win some loot. If your ****** that you got no loot the first 2 or 3 times, SO WHAT, get over it, your time will come. Your experience in the raid makes it go all the more smoother. And those who can do the raids will be sure to include you in the future. Oh and if you really really want an item, ask your guild if you can schedule the raid for you specifically just to try and obtain that item. If it drops, GREAT, if not, let the other items go to everyone else who was willing to help you try to obtain your item. They deserve a reward for just being there. Most guildies would be happy to help, unless your stuck in a whats-in-it-for-me guild, If thats the case, get a new guild.


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dropping Vox
# Dec 16 2002 at 6:47 PM Rating: Default
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Just a quick note to say MoY and AoW took out Vox this past weekend, only 4 deaths total and 2 of these belts dropped, an eyepatch and a spear. WEll danged if the first roll on belt didn't go to a caster, and then second roll on eyepatch was won by me, a warrior. We simply agreed to exchange the items and were both quite happy. There were several casters I would have bestowed this treasure upon if my warrior hadn't really needed this item, so if you go into a raid with agreed upon rules what does it matter if supposedly the "wrong" class wins an item. They are marked as all/all right?

I was stunned to win and have either item as it is my first raid item roll win...whatever, it was cool. Big rush dropping Vox - funny, that's why I went to begin with and got a bonus as well.

Pugillistt
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Severlous
# Oct 16 2002 at 7:16 PM Rating: Default
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We (2 grps) dropped Severlous today on Tholuxe Paells. He dropped 2 RBB's, a Bard instrument, Green Scale (Gratz Fiddic), and 4 spells. Came to this site for some info on the % of haste and see 31, 32, and 40%. No definitive numbers on the haste but a lot of peoples opinion ;>.
RE: Severlous
# Oct 22 2002 at 6:40 PM Rating: Good
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Iíve noticed a lot of confusion about haste percentages too. I have found that the charts at the link below were very helpful in figuring it all out. It has stats for Songs, Spells, Weapons and other equipment and some information on how it affects combat. I hope this is as helpful to you folks as it has been to me.
RE: Severlous
# Oct 22 2002 at 6:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I forgot the link for the post above :) Hope it helps. :)

http://cloud.prohosting.com/~talone/HasteData.htm
what about the item?
# Aug 13 2002 at 10:11 PM Rating: Decent
I read every single pos under this item and see that every single post is everyone arguing about who or who shouldnt get this item. Where' the talk f how you managed to get this item? That's the reason people visit this site. Where is the info on the aste perentage of this belt? Where' the melee stories of how they saw Vox's claws slashing through the air towards them? Where's the reason we visit this page? All this arguing makes me sick.
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#miyew, Posted: Sep 29 2002 at 1:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lol
#LordNitnoBaggins, Posted: Aug 18 2002 at 8:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The Haste is 31%, Vox is a woman as i was meleeing her with my Sorcerous Bowl, and of course on my last raid it is believed that this dropped as the leaders left their groups and ninja looted 2 unknown items...both were later banned >=) bastards...anyways, this is probably the best item off of vox
Plain n' simple...
# Jul 28 2002 at 6:25 PM Rating: Default
...anyone helping take down a MoB should have a chance to win the item less it's no drop or class specific quest related. If my druid won a roll for this belt.. wouldn't make sense for me to equip it as I can barely smack a MoB I've feared --> BUT I could sell it allowing myself to but an item that would greatly help my druid AND the buyer would probably one of those melles who never won a roll on this item n' decided the ONLY way they'd get it relativly soon was to buy it from a caster who had no other use for it other than to sell it. That way the melle gets their belt n' I get to go shopping! Everyone gets what they want in a round about way.

*secret* It's a GAME, everyone enjoys playing differently, don't flame on anyone because they won an item they have no use equiping, it's still a thrill to win items everyone wants. If a person's good enough to let melle's roll on a melle item they just won, fab, if not life (for some) goes on.

Life's not fair unless you're the one who always wins aye ;)

Ok.. extra thought.. say the Tobrins Eyepatch droped n' there was a free rolling on it.. a melle wins it YAY for him/her.. they sell it/trade it for what they really want.

Edited, Sun Sep 22 02:03:49 2002
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RE: Plain n' simple...
# Aug 19 2002 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
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It's kinda amusing how people interpret whether it is a melee or caster only item or if it be a free for all. Unfortunately, these items take a raid force. Either by a guild or a public raid. Either way, the loot will have been decided by the head of the guild or the raid leader on which way it is going to go. It is usually stated ahead of time. That way, if you dont like what you see then don't attend.

I have attended many naggy and vox raids. Sometimes the drops have been good and other times quite poor. The chances of it dropping an rbb is one in eight. ( Not sure, but I believe that the dragon can drop up to 8 items from it loot list. ) The loot list for dragons usually have the potential for all classes but like any mob drop it is totally random. Example= 2 weeks ago on E'ci, Vox dropped 3 scales for bard epics. Made bards quite happy that attended but very little else for the other classes. It is just the luck of the drop. It will eventually drop for whatever item you want. Then there is the random roll for it but in the end, if you want it bad enough you either attend the raids or gather enough coin to purchase it.

That is my 2cp

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51 Rake
Honor Knight of E'ci
RE: Plain n' simple...
# Sep 22 2002 at 1:26 AM Rating: Default
Well said =)
As I've yet to obtain the level to be involved in any raid where uber items drop it's easy to think along the lines of.. everyone helped bring it down, everyone should roll. I'm sure when it comes time I'm able to go-a-raiding my line of thinking might swing entirely the other way.
Of course after reading through all the arguings over raid rolls n' so on I think I'll skip out on the whole ordeal & just save up for what I want =)
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#DracoFox, Posted: Aug 04 2002 at 2:27 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) people like you that reallllly tick me off. if a drood only ubbber peice of equipment dropped, and you were the only drood in the group, you would throw a fit if me a 51 monk rolled on it and won. thats crock and you know it. class specefics go to that class, end of story. if not then you have no conception of the phrase common courtesy.
RE: Plain n' simple...
# Aug 09 2002 at 10:48 PM Rating: Default
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I think that casters should have the same opportunity to roll on melee items b/c the dragons don't really drop something extremely useful to them, however they are there helping nonetheless, and if they take it only to sell it, then that's good for them, b/c casters need better gear just like the rest of them. The pp really goes a long way. Just my 2cp (as usual).
#Tevlin, Posted: Aug 15 2002 at 12:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) no no no, if you want to argue that they dont need to be there, then fine, no one will ever go on raids but large bands of monks sks and rangers cause they can heal themselves and they dont need anyone else, that jsut dosent make sense...
Just got this!!!
# Jul 28 2002 at 8:32 AM Rating: Default
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EARLY THIS MORNING!!!! like 2:30 A.M. we completed the Vox raid. After all were rezzed and everybody we settled down the raid leader called out the loot. Since i have been on the most raids I was honored with the Runed Bolster Belt!!! I was sooooo happy and being a bard the more haste the better :) Well lemme just tell you this item is fantastic and it helps me hit FREAKIN fast with my haste song and all never sell one of these if you win it...it is truly a great item :)

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# Jul 23 2002 at 7:11 PM Rating: Decent
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CHEERS! There is a man..woman? doesn't matter, that is truly wise. If all the greedy pr*cks in game would get over whatever it is that compels them to act like some do, we would all have more fun. Don't take it out on us cause your mommy didn't love you. I see both sides of the fight, certain items are better for certain classes, that's just the way it is. Wouldn't have much use for that eyepatch on my pally, just like that rbb would do little good on my shaman. You want to get rich?, me too, work together to do it.
Cliche of the day: Good things come to those who wait. It's true, your patience will be rewarded. Uberness isn't all there is to it.
Flame me if you choose, just not Debany(she pays for this thing)

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#ariakass, Posted: Jul 21 2002 at 12:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Lots of people have lots of nasty things to say to each other here LOL. I'm a paladin and I just got this belt last night and let me tell ya...I ain't sellin! this belt rocks. As far as looting it on dragon raids, yes it should be NBG the only people that don't think it should be are greedy casters who want it all. I've never seen a dragon raid that wasn't need before greed and If I did I certainly wouldn't help. I saw someone post further up about why don't mellee's try killing these mobs without the casters...well here's one for ya, why don't you try it without mellees
#phiber, Posted: Sep 14 2002 at 11:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) try it without the melees? all i can say is kunark dragons+team manaburn=melee free farming.
#Fyrewalker, Posted: Jul 21 2002 at 4:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Worse than anything is seeing a bard win this. CoF too. Bards get self haste to like 40% starting at like level 6 or something.
#Thommus, Posted: Jul 24 2002 at 6:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I've seen a druid win CoF twice *boggle*
Woot!
# Jul 18 2002 at 10:27 PM Rating: Default
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Woot Just got mine today, level 48 warrior, killed Vox in about a minute, no deaths, entire raid was timed at 1hour 25minutes (including chat room). I was Super lucky to get this, second Vox raid ever, and last time it didnt drop. Dropped a little AC but gained 10 haste from my SCHW. I already knew my guild was awesome... but Tuatha De Danann is AWESOME!! WOOOT <7/18/02>

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looting
# Jul 10 2002 at 8:26 PM Rating: Default
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I agree with Heldor ...It is nt no drop therefore everyone gets a crack at it .
#Fscknetworks, Posted: Jun 09 2002 at 6:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is really a melee item. I HATE seeing this go to a cleric or other pure caster class, the following classes should roll if only ONE drops. Bard, ShadowKnight, Paladin, Warrior, Ranger, Monk and Rogue. IF one of the classes listed here has something EQUAL OR BETTER ( Stats not included, only haste ) they do not get to roll. IF 2 happen to drop, any casters that carry a WEAPON ( not a epic ) get to roll WITH the pure melee classes that have no haste item/worse haste item on the SECOND one, this way people that will actually use the belt will get it. not some wizard you hasn't meleed for 45 levels.
#Drienne, Posted: Jul 29 2002 at 2:49 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have to agree with the peeps talking about melees selling this item, since it has, does, and will happen. Also, you have to consider this: let's say this drops, but the eyepatch doesn't. What are you going to do? Melees roll and the casters get shafted? Obviously, the same goes for the eyepatch. Now, if both the eyepatch and RBB drop, then I'd say melees roll RBB, casters roll eyepatch. But barring that, everyone should get a roll.
RE: Melee Item
# Feb 10 2003 at 5:51 PM Rating: Default
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You, my friend, are an idiot.
RE: Melee Item
# Jun 24 2002 at 10:04 PM Rating: Default
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Guy a caster should be allowed to roll, he helped keel it. And besides it NOT no drop so everyone has an equal chance to get it. If you dont like it, go solo one of the dragons for the belt
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#Fscknetworks, Posted: Jul 23 2002 at 6:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hmmm, if thats your opinion, so be it. but when you go on a Vox raid and the loot is FFA'd you're not going to be too happy when a Tobrin's Mystical Eyepatch goes to some melee, now are you? the eyepatch isn't no drop. its got perma see invis, why shouldn't i get it? (note sarcasm preceding this note) /sarcasm off BECAUSE 15 int 15 wis is useless to me. a caster with an RBB, whats he going to do with it? miss more? as it gets more towards the high end game mr Heldor the shaman, you aren't going to be meleeing(unless of course you think you can whack something with insane AC(Ssra temple stuff) and doubles for 400(Wiz epic mob)) eve if you have to melee. some of the AE next-to-unrestistable dots are nasty on those critters. you want not so fair loot centric type gaming, go play another game.
RE: Melee Item
# Jul 15 2002 at 12:05 AM Rating: Default
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Every dragon raid I've seen, on my server at least, goes by a NBG basis so only melee(including melee hybrids) would roll on this item, while on the other side only casters would roll for the eyepatch.
#GegolianBadbain, Posted: Jul 19 2002 at 4:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You know what i hate...when magi users say that they should be able to roll on an item like this...if u are ina **** guild u are hepin one another. So what are u doing by rolling on this and selling it? NOTHING. you don't increase guild power or anything...... Pls do be quite...if uc an roll on this i should be able to roll on your rez stick
RE: Melee Item
# Jul 20 2002 at 10:19 PM Rating: Decent
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heh, last time i saw one of these, it went to a melee. Within a week he had sold it. If a melee can roll on it and then sell it, why should a caster?
#peatmoss, Posted: Jul 20 2002 at 2:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm gonna put this arguement to rest right now. I'm a caster...a shaman. And no mob hits me without getting hit back...hard. I'm lvl forty and I use a frostgiant femur in my tough battles. With that I hit for 64-100 damage...because of my str buffs and the Yaulp 2 effect. So don't go telling me that because I'm a caster, I shouldn't role for this item. I've taken out level 45 melee's by combining my magic with my hitting power, and haste always helps.
RE: Melee Item
# Mar 28 2003 at 8:03 PM Rating: Default
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You're job is to heal and buff. Leave the damage to the melee/hybrids regardless if you can do 64 damage which isnt all that good in the first place.
#WonderWeevil, Posted: Jun 18 2002 at 12:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Edited, Tue Jun 18 01:31:33 2002
#survo, Posted: Jun 15 2002 at 11:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah your just insane, and quite dumb you left off monks
#Fscknetworks, Posted: Jun 16 2002 at 10:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) There we go, Monks are there :)
#GegolianBadbain, Posted: Jul 04 2002 at 10:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) /rant
#Asheran, Posted: Jul 16 2002 at 6:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yep you go work and get your VT key at lvl 40, then go to VT with FoH or AL or something and then also convince them that they should random the drops and you should get to roll on a no drop item that your cannot use and then you actually win the drop...if you can do that then I will agree with you. Otherwise, let everyone roll on this, half of the melee that say they NEED it to use will just sell it any buy other stuff anyway (yes I know many that did that, they just sold this, bought RBG for its spot, and got other stuff)
#Galaneny, Posted: Jun 11 2002 at 3:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) BTW...u forgot about the monks!
#Sir Davien, Posted: May 25 2002 at 6:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just won this on an open raid today... I had NO idea that it was such a big deal. Lol, 55k? Wow. I ain't selling it just yet methinks though :-)
And BTW...
# May 15 2002 at 5:02 AM Rating: Default
eamil -
"Why don't you melees just take Her on without us healers. What else drops that we can use you DA's. You expect us to sit back and keep you alive then let you guys loot the uber stuff?"

Why call us DA's when you dont even realize a 15INT 15WIS face piece drops here? Why dont YOU check yourself before slandering Tanks and make SURE uber loot dont drop for you. "What else drops that we can use you DA's." We'll I think THIS tank just told you, so check yourself and clear that hot air outta your greedy little head before you flame us Tanks. BTW, when was the last time you saw a pack of Clerics and Druids take on Vox...<Hears crickets chirp>.

**** I hate it when noob's claiming to be 46+ post /shrug

Hey, if you wanna pass up a 15INT 15WIS face piece to roll on this item you'll never use, I'll GLADLY give it to my 11 Wizard when I win it on my Tank =P

Trevelain Dor'Seth, 52 Shadow Knight
Mulabi Dor'Seth, 52 Necromancer
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#AlligatorRex, Posted: Jan 09 2003 at 11:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why dont you healers take her on without us tanks. You d be all dead within 2 minutes you no-HP having nOObs. Those who take the most damage are the ones putting the most at risk. Im not saying a caster tossing major nukes or Heals from the back lines isnt important, on the contrary in fact. But to aquire an item that will not be used in the fashion it is intended is just plain stupid. ( ie a cleric getting an uber mellee item, since most know a cleric almost never fights over the lvl of 20, unless their group dies which is the sign of a bad cleric anyway, or a train GRRR). And if a melle wins it on a roll with the sole intention of selling it is just as stupid. I am positive that there is someone at the raid who will be greatly improving their gear with it. Oh, and IMHO, if you have your epic, let the uber gear go, we are already jealous of you enough. P
RE: And BTW...
# Jun 27 2002 at 6:19 PM Rating: Default
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This haste items sells for 50k The Eyepatch for 20k. Nuff said.
#optisoft, Posted: Nov 22 2002 at 3:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well... Melee are dumb enough to pay 50k for an item that drops off a mob that a flock of lvl 52s kill - while casters are smart enough to not drop more than 20k on this tier of items.
The Final Word
# May 13 2002 at 4:52 PM Rating: Default
Okay, I play both a 52 Shadow Knight as my main and a 52 Necromancer as my alternate. Yes, their the same levels. So HERE is MY saying from a tank/caster perspective.

Having raided with both toons on Vox multiple times, it's always heart-wrenching to see the RBB go to a Caster who cant use it. I think to myself "If I had 55K I might be able to get it off them..." This is such a Tank item and what are we about? Aggro. Yes, even SKs. How can we get aggro? Smacking faster. Now how often do you precious Enchanters need aggro? I thought not.

Now the CASTER side. I always hate seeing Tobrin's Mystical Eyepatch go to a Paladin or other Melee who has no use for it. That +15 Int + 15 Wis item is by DEFAULT made for us casters <Remember, necro is my alt>. You KNOW their not really going to use it, either. They'll take it and twink some alt who has no practical use for it after we've expended our mana helping in slaying the beast.

See? No matter which side you come from somebodies going to whine and cry. Do I hate seeing the RBB go to a Caster? CERTAINLY. Do I hate seeing the Eyepatch go to a Tank? YOU KNOW IT. Theirs loot specifically for Casters (Eyepatch) and specifically for Tanks (RBB). So, the next time a Tank wins the eyepatch just remember how eager YOU were to roll on the RBB. And I will sit back and continue to laugh as I auction <WTS Tobrin's Eyepatch - PST!>

Belt for Tanks, Eyepatch for Casters. And I hate it when a 35 Shaman strolls in and is allowed to roll on the Eyepatch as well. Nothing a train of Goblins cant handle...

Trevelain Dor'Seth, 52 Shadow Knight (Main)
Mulabi Dor'Seth, 52 Necromancer (Alternate)
East Commonlands, The Rathe

Edited, Wed May 15 05:56:04 2002
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#dwyvneth, Posted: May 08 2002 at 1:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It seems to me all of you whining greedy fools should go play the game and try to have some fun. I come here to see what this is worth and now just want to sell it knowing that so many of you are crying so hard about this thing. Log on, play your character to level 60, make some friends, and maybe you'll see the game in a different view. I am not looking at this post again so flame away it will only make me happy knowing you noobs who feel you need to whine should and are going to. It will keep you off the game that much longer while I am there having fun. No offence to the true players who know what I mean out there. I hope you all find your uber gear and have many days of fun. All you noobs out there can bite me and yes you will post just to show your noobieness.
RE: Flame this
# Jul 24 2002 at 6:02 AM Rating: Default
definetely agree. I aint no high lvl. my main is a 43 ranger. altho i have got some really great gear hehe. sum 50 rangers have worse. but anyway. i joined a new guild (gave up being leader of my old one for it) and hopefully when i get to 48 we will all be able to do sum dragons. as we have a lot of 50 averages in guild. I would LUV this Runed bolster belt. Not to sell. but to use. and on this site i am sick of ppl sayingthey are lvl 60 when they might not even play game at all. or just lie about there lvl. i cant wait to do my first dragon raid. Altho i'll most probably die hehe. but this RBB would be nice.

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My Thoughts
# Apr 22 2002 at 8:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ok, first thing I am all for NBG. Secondly, I will give all you people who think casters should win this a scenario:

You go to a Vox raid, RBB drops, they say only tanks roll, u fight ur way into the roll and win it. Tanks are outraged, ur guild is outraged and automatically you /join auction WTS RBB -- 55k 32% haste OBO.

Your guild heres it, don't make any notions about it but they here it. 3 weeks later you are ready to get into the big boys of your epic.
/guild Hey guys could you help me with <epic mob name here> plz?
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Of course they won't, they'll say "go buy MQs with all that money you sold" or something. And I can betcha NONE of those tanks will help you out. So now what, your stuck with no one to help u with epic mobs? No one invites u on raids. Join a new guild? I don't think so, no ones going to let someone in a guild who is disrespectful, greedy and arrogant.

Buy your new spells, eh?
Work on trade skills, eh?

Oh well, do it like the people who have come before you, make your own money doing what your class does best. If you're an enchanter, make some jewelery, druid, make some hand made backpacks or reinforced acrylia, cleric, make some armor.

People, this game is EVERQUEST. It never ends, but come on, why take away a tank's greatest dream for haste. Only items better then this are Cloak of Flames, Cloak of Crystalline Waters and ToV items.

EVERQUEST=TEAMWORK
TEAMWORK=GIVING YOUR TIME FOR OTHERS

Sometimes you may not want to go to CoM for a druid epic raid because you don't want anything that drops there, but I can betcha if you don't come no one is going to jump up to help you.

Little things gain respect, learn it now.

Little things can help when a brother of the leader of the best guild on your server asks you for a weapon so he can duel wield and you give him a Sturdy Grimling Mining Pick and next week you are invited to a WW raid.

Just please, when this item drops and you are sitting there, remember that just like you the tanks need good things too. We can't enchant jewelery, we cant have 255 INT and master 8 tradeskills in a day with 4kpp. And, we cannot solo things at higher levels.

Making someones day is a better reward then making your own.
RE: My Thoughts
# May 13 2002 at 9:04 PM Rating: Default
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Droppable/sellable item
Guild raid = NBG
Pickup raid = Open lotto
Exp Group = Open lotto

Why do I want to come to a pickup raid if it does not benifit me. You'll keep aggro and do massive damage with it but how is that going to benifit me if we don't raid together? If you form a pickup raid and somehow manage to pull it off it should goto a person that helped. I don't want to be your friend if you are going to exclude me from something that I earned.

You act like /auction is destroying the item when its not. Most likely the item will goto someone that can afford it and can most likely use it. Why should it goto a level 46 bard when it can goto a level 60 warrior that wants it for high level raiding. In turn I will benifit and buy myself some decent equipment and MY guild will benifit from having me.

You should stay at 52 and keep trying to get that belt, that will definately benifit your guild.
Your guild is going nowhere because you are sittin around fighting over an item you don't really need. Get to 60 and buy the belt, **** your guild will prolly help you with funding. You want a haste item before 60? Try your luck in lguk or velks where they are much more common but don't expect to be defaulted a haste item becuase you are a warrior.


On the other hand, if my GUILD raids for this and it does not goto the HIGHEST level WARRIOR I would /guildremove.

I want to be in a guild that raids sleepers tome, not crushbone.
http://www.trysor.com/afterlife/crushbone.cfm,
sorry afterlife =)

Edited, Mon May 13 21:58:06 2002
RE: My Thoughts
# Feb 03 2003 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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Just a thought here, Fistanidu, but don't you suppose that when you join a raid you would be accepting whatever looting rules have been set up by the raid leader? That's just a thought for ya, bud.
RE: My Thoughts
# Jul 10 2002 at 5:30 PM Rating: Default
If your going to /guildremove because your guild only let tanks roll on this item. Why wait? I am sure your guild will be much better off because of your expeditios actions, instead of waiting to see what a greedy ****** you are later.
RE: My Thoughts
# May 13 2002 at 10:58 AM Rating: Default
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this is by far one of the most intelligent posts i've ever read on this website.



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#chestermv, Posted: May 10 2002 at 9:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) this is a very good and good post
RE: My Thoughts
# Apr 27 2002 at 5:39 PM Rating: Default
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This is one of the most intelligent posts I have seen in quite a while... especially from an ogre. LOL. However, there aren't many guilds capable of taking out most of the mobs that drop this that would have rolling instead of some kind of merit system. Lady Vox is the only one where it is likely to be taken down in a non-guild raid, so I guess this only applies there.
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Give me a break
# Apr 10 2002 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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~looking left, then right, then busting up laughing~

I've read every posting on this belt, and I will admit that you have managed to accomplish 3 things.

1.) You have beyond entertained me with your antics and squabbling.

2.) You have definately made yourselves look like nothing more than a bunch of children arguing over who has more ice cream in their bowl. Be glad you have ANY ice cream, children.

3.) You have all missed one serious point that underlies everything.

You see, boys and girls, this is a game. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes, we all pay our ten bucks to log on and go kill the evil denizens of the EQ universe. Big deal. That same ten bucks would get you maybe 3 drinks at a bar, excluding the specialty nights, with lowered prices on certain drinks. And yet, this same ten bucks let's you play a game for a month at a time. Best ten bucks I've ever spent, with very few exceptions.

I firmly believe in need before greed. I have never once rolled on something I couldn't equip on he character I'm playing at that time, simply because it short changes everyone else that could have used it, and might have if I hadn't rolled. I'll pass up the Chetari staff gladly if I can have a shot at something I could actually use. I kinda like killing what has the things I want, which makes me a bit of a strange bird I suppose.

If you don't need it, and can't use it, then you are taking it for greed. This belt has the the 3 most sought after stat modifiers in the game for any melee class, plus it has haste. I won't deny you the chance to roll on it, but at the same time, I will also remind you that I declined a roll on something that I could have simply turned around and sold, instead of giving you a much more fair and equitable chance of earning something you need.

Need before greed is a personal decision, and not something that someone can force on anyone else. Everyone can /rand 200, or whatever else is done at a dragon raid, by simply typing in the command. This game, and I cannot emphasize the word game strongly enough online, is about teamwork. The druid's damage shield is just as useful as the cleric's complete heal, the necromancer's lifetap, or the warrior's melee capabilities. Without a careful blend of all skills in this game, no one, and I repeat no one, will earn the right to own one of these belts.

Any fool can earn platinum, including a warrior, which I play and solo hunt with fairly effectively since the first level. Earning something is a world's difference, at least in my mind.
#Guddlar the Wise, Posted: Apr 12 2002 at 11:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) couldnt be more right
RE: Give me a break
# Apr 10 2002 at 11:27 AM Rating: Default
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This is probably one of THE most intelligent and true posts I've seen on any EQ related board.

Kudo's GreyLoc
Looting, in general
# Apr 05 2002 at 3:54 PM Rating: Default
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Seems to me there is a big difference in looting between "camping the dervs" in NRO and raiding Lady Vox. Camping the dervs can be done by any pick-up group from level 9 on up and is a good theatre for learning class grouping skills. The loot is, however, nothing special and it doesn't take long for everyone to become encumbered. When I play my chanter I rarely loot - she has only 65 STR buffed and would be running to the merchant to sell every five minutes if she looted anything but the auto-split cash. For the derv camps, orc highway, HHK, I let the tanks fill up - when they are full, I sometimes loot.

By the same token, in HHP, grouping with trolls and ogres, everyone in any group I was in there gave the trolls and ogres the orc scalps (or whatever they were) because they needed the faction. I never had a melee type refuse me a "page" when it dropped.

However, in Hollowshade Moor there is a staff that drops from a Grimling Chieftan that is for Druids and Shaman only. It is also worth 2K plat in EC. What do you do about that? It is a fairly rare drop on a fairly rare spawn. The group I am with up there ( as my shaman ) would see to it the the shaman and the druid get the staffs (LORE item) and then stick around until everyone that wanted one had one to sell for stuff they really needed. That is a LONG camp.

Having never been on a Vox raid, I have no idea how many times you can do her in a row, but it seems to me that if it is a Guild raid, then the Guild should determine how the loot is distributed for the benefit of the Guild as a whole. Melee types need the haste - the haste cuts down on damage so there is less healing needed which means the healer may have mana to do some buffs and dots he/she wouldn't normally have the mana to do and/or reduce aggro on themselves which means the melee types don't have to leave the prime target to protect the casters and so on.
By the same token, you need to feed the caster types so they can get their spells and their components and their wis/int/cha items. AND you need to feed whoever in your guild is into tradeskills so they can make some of the excellent crafted items that are becoming available now.
If you are above 50 and guildless and still fighting in pick-up groups, then my feeling is GBN is the rule. Either rotate looting or roll on everything. Members of pick-up groups have no one to support but themselves.

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RE: Looting, in general
# Apr 27 2002 at 10:33 PM Rating: Good
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She spawns every 7 days... She is not part of a camp... She is a raid mob. She takes at least 3 or 4 groups to take down. So no you can't rotate loot. Unless you kill her one week and come back in 7 days...

"less healing needed which means the healer may have mana to do some buffs and dots he/she wouldn't normally have the mana to do and/or reduce aggro on themselves which means the melee types don't have to leave the prime target to protect the casters and so on."

First off, healers in Dragon raids are Clerics (I am one) and we don't have any dots. And second, when fighting a Dragon, if you have more than one mob at a time, you're doing something wrong.

Not trying to be mean, just gain a few more levels (about 20) before posting ideas on how to distribute loot on dragon raids...

Just got back from a Vox raid. This dropped, and a Cleric won it. No one ******* too much because they said from the beginning it would be open-rolling. "Need before greed"? sometimes. But in many cases "Equal risks, equal rewards" is fair too. And a Cleric in a dragon raid is a very risky job.
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melee only
# Mar 24 2002 at 6:34 AM Rating: Default
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ok here is one thing that i do not understand: everyone says this is for melee classes, all but bard that is. what type of class is a bard then? why are bards so inconsiquential that they are not welcome to roll on this? do you believe a bard can not use this? you think this is not an upgrade for almost any bard? what have you against bards????
RE: melee only
# Jun 23 2002 at 10:32 AM Rating: Default
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Our guild killed her tonight and 3 RBBs dropped. All melee classes were able to roll on the belt. IMO ANY melee class on the raid should be able to roll on this. I'm tired of hearing that casters were allowed to roll because the only thing they would do with it is sell it or twink it out. If a caster even thinks about rolling on this then he's a greedy *** and probably has no friends. Either that or he's a little kid that just doesn't think or care.

By the way, Bard and two warriors won the belts. Casters were NOT allowed to roll, other stuff dropped for them.
RE: melee only
# May 14 2002 at 12:30 PM Rating: Default
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It isn't because bards don't benefit from haste items. It's because of what it drops off.

Vox has the scale, which is the rarest part of the bard epic, and bard instruments. So it's worth it for a bard to come even if they aren't in on the RBB roll.

In any case, loot rules should be clearly stated beforehand.
RE: melee only
# Apr 07 2002 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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Main argument people bring up in regards to items like this is the haste effect. Bards have their own haste song whereas melee classes need items to give them haste so it's kind of pointless to give this to a Bard for any reason other then stat value.
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RE: melee only
# Mar 26 2002 at 10:46 AM Rating: Default
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My experiences, the scale is the first thing to be rolled on. Whatever Bard walks away with it, does not get to roll on any other item that drops (why should he, he should be happy as **** to have gotten the scale). Next thing rolled on is the Book, then the RBB. All melee's roll on RBB, including Bards that lost the roll on the scale. Not really sure why they would not be included.
RE: melee only
# May 16 2002 at 9:55 PM Rating: Default
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I play a Bard on Drinal...And nobody ever said, Let the bard have it... Hey, I can sell that for up 30k. That's the shout's and ooc's going around in 7 Vox raids I've been on, and I still do not have it... greedy greedy greedy. It looks like the only way I'll get scales is to get rich on the market...

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Disappointed bard....

#Xainette, Posted: Mar 24 2002 at 9:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is a very funny point that you bring up. All throughout my vox/naggy raiding days, I fought for bard's rights to roll on haste items. Not that I was really interested in a CoF or a RBB, but I felt that a bard should at least be considered. Well, it now seems that beastlords are having this problem on our server. On a very recent Vox raid, one RBB dropped, all melee classes rolled, and the one beastlord there won it. I have never seen people make such a big deal. I am glad that bards are not the only class now to have this problem =0P
#muman, Posted: Mar 19 2002 at 9:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I just won the roll on this belt.Let me tell you it ROCKS .
My Two Cents
# Feb 23 2002 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I know this topic, the whole who should loot thing, has been killed, and will never be resolved, but...
I play both a warrior and a druid, and several other classes, both melee and casters. I may not be lvl 60, or have played EQ since Beta, but I can say I can see both sides of this argument. I personally prefer need before greed. My first experience with anything valueable enough to bother rolling on was a Gnoll Hide Tome in Paw. I'm told it is something like +10 Int, +5 Wis, blah, blah. I was also told it can sell for up to 3k. Although I knew, and still know it is INCREDIBLY hard for a warrior to make any kind of money (no soloing, I'm not a loot hog, and no higher lvl char to twink me), and I knew I could really use the money to help buy me some better weaps and armor (I still wear a lot of banded and have crappy weaps, all I can afford), I let the casters roll for it, because it only seemed fair. If it was an obviously awsome tank item, I would expect the casters not to roll. Well, we ended up getting two that day, and when one of the lucky casters proudly admited he would sell it for the cash, yeah, it really irritated me, because my thought was "Hey, I could use the cash a lot more than that guy who can make money selling his buffs/gates/whatever". But, heck, what are you going to do?
Honestly, playing a warrior can be the most depressing class. You are at the mercy of others, you depend on them for everything. And, if you're too poor to twink the crap out of yourself, you can't take the hits like a tank is supposed to, and you can't do the damage (thus getting agro) like you're supposed to, and then you find it hard to get groups, because people say that you're a weak tank. Then one day you notice you never play your tank.
At this point in time, I'm badly underequipped compared to others at the same lvl/class, since I can't buy the better things, and most of the things that I need to upgrade are either too high lvl for me to get, or I need to wait until someone want's to help me get the things I'm after. Right now my warrior is parked in SK, waiting for someone to give me a hand killing some dang Aviak Avocets, so I can get crafted gauntlets, because they are dark blue to me, and I can't even solo them. I've been waiting for a week now. And, when I finally get the Aviak Charm I need, I don't have the money to buy the 2 star rubies I need. In contrast, at lvl 14 my druid made over 150 plat in 5 hours selling buffs/sow/binds/etc at the gates in FP. Just some food for thought, but it would take me days to make that much with my warrior at lvl 35, in SK killing gnolls for example.
Just my two cents, from the sympathetic point of view.
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RE: My Two Cents
# Jan 07 2003 at 8:45 AM Rating: Default
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GEEZ, I just wanna know the % of haste, sheesh, I agree, melee should only roll, they need the attack speed. Now can somone tell me the haste on this?
RE: My Two Cents
# Mar 21 2002 at 1:08 AM Rating: Default
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maybe you need to fine a better place to fight...

i wan a 35 warrior and teh money doesnt roll in compared to a wiz or druid, but there are some place that lots of nice loot drops.
like downshroud peaks on the moon. go camp tribals witha grp adn you amy get a polished steel ulak or some thing like that... they are very common saw 3 drop in one hour
RE: My Two Cents
# Feb 26 2002 at 4:36 AM Rating: Default
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Maybe if you haven't noticed.. but in EQ just about all of the classes depend on eachother. It has been a while since I have seen an enchanter try to solo mobs for exp. Please keep in mind that you are the one who decided to become a warrior. I think that you need to take your two cents back, because it sounds like you can't afford to throw around that kind of money. A warrior is only as good as his gear. Just my 2pp.

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RE: My Two Cents
# Mar 13 2002 at 2:35 AM Rating: Default
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i soloed many lvls of my ench (=

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RE: My Two Cents
# Mar 09 2002 at 3:02 PM Rating: Default
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I suggest everyone disregard Whiteshooz comment and reread the original post.
This is a melee Item period. serves no purpose to casters. As long as casters continue with this attitude I suggest warriors go ahead and loot spells and then brag about how they're only gonna sell them.
The number one reason for warriors disenchantment with this game is purely based on the GREED of casters!!!
1.)Clerics have a fit if u loot a periodot, but, we go thru 20pp of arrows when we are the designated puller. 2.) solo??? for a warrior????? hahahhahahaha!!! OMFG!!! LMFAO!!!. 3.)We are the meat shield which often means we are the first to die.
The greed of casters is amazing i think peeps need to start looking into this.
Well i could go on forever about how warriors are really treated in this game... Its as bad as slavery when u gotta beg a lvl 15 druid so u can get sow at lvl 49. and then u got peeps like u takin loot clearly designed for melee in order to keep YOU alive so u can take more loot designed for melee to sell for money.
RE: My Two Cents
# Mar 12 2002 at 6:18 PM Rating: Default
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I don't recall saying that casters should roll on an item like this. Hmmm and for greed, I don't believe I have ever charged anyone for c3 or haste spells. You must have missed my point b/c I was simply stating that if you don't like being a warrior simply make a new character.
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RE: My Two Cents
# May 05 2002 at 5:17 AM Rating: Default
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Charge anyone for C3 or haste? As in the people you group with? Is that like charging to mezz, or a cleric charging to heal or a warrior charging to melee? LOL. What the **** does making a group as effecient as possible have to do with anything. Seems to me, if I were a chanter I'd be jumping up and down to keep melee hasted and chaters with clarity.

If you mean not charging beggers and wanderers, then good for you. I don't mind buffing people that ask either as long as they don't drag it out and keep coming back. Hmm. What the **** does this have to do with anything? I don't know. I always just think it's funny when chanters get attitude about hasting or druids get attitude about sowing. Some of the best spells in the game, shame not to put them to use. btw, I play a druid.
#Kyung, Posted: Mar 18 2002 at 7:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i play a cleric and a warrior, personally i think everyone should roll on any item they want as long as its not not drop. and i'm sorry, clerics lose a lot more money then warriors do, and we do not get loot. after playing 51 levels on my cleric and spending the last 11 almost totaly on raids, i don't think i've been allowed to roll on more then 2 or 3 items.
RE: My Two Cents
# Mar 27 2002 at 8:41 PM Rating: Default
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It would be nice if people would stop being greedy and we would all have good gear. I for one if I can't use the item I don't roll for it if I know that others in the group can. If it is determined that nobody needs the item to wear then we all roll to see who gets to sell. I'm sorry but there shouldn't be any looting for your alt if in a group with people you don't know in RL. There's no reason to fight over a **** game so just relax and let's kill some FP militia and all will be good. :)
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#eamil, Posted: Feb 19 2002 at 8:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why don't you melees just take Her on without us healers. What else drops that we can use you DA's. You expect us to sit back and keep you alive then let you guys loot the uber stuff?
RE: THERE IS NO NBG ON NAGGY/VOX
# Mar 16 2002 at 8:08 PM Rating: Default
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No nbg on naggy/vox? what a ****** moron, what server are you from?
RE: THERE IS NO NBG ON NAGGY/VOX
# Mar 07 2002 at 2:49 AM Rating: Good
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No, we expect you to heal us and congratulate us when we win an UNQUESTIONABLE melee item, which will make us not only happy, better at what we do, and willing to help YOU when you might want to get something...

hmmm... if you're reasoning ruled, looks like nobody could do their epic... why would I tank something for you and let YOU get all your epic pieces.

On a random pickup group, where everybody is a greedy SOB, you're probably right and there is no NBG... but on ANY planned raid, including old-world dragons, there IS a thing called NBG...

How about a +50 wis range item... if someone said NBG and offered it to you, would you turn around and say "No, we should ALL roll on it, it's only fair."

Yah, I didn't think so...
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#aoeinOwnzjOO, Posted: Mar 13 2002 at 7:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) All i have to say is Bam, you just burned him :P
RE: THERE IS NO NBG ON NAGGY/VOX
# Jul 13 2002 at 3:26 AM Rating: Default
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"No, we expect you to heal us and congratulate us when we win an UNQUESTIONABLE melee item, which will make us not only happy, better at what we do, and willing to help YOU when you might want to get something... "

.................. what a dumb statement. spending 6 hours to help someone your never ever going to group with again probably, when that person is a greedy lamo that doesn't want the 2 extra clerics on the raid rolling because he's so greedy 2 extra people rolling when 30 melees are already rolling is lowering his greedy highness' chance of winning is what everyone should do!

you people are dumb, do you realize that 90% of the cof's won on naggy raids are sold within a week to higher level players? what moronic thinking, only allowing melees the right to win this item to sell......... ya makes sense to me, after all. sometime i hope the clerics bolt before rez's are done because the people on naggy raids are so greedy as to not let a few extra people roll on the loot won beacuse it lessens their chances of winning by like 5%. mb your wondering why getting clerics on a naggy raid is so hard?
#janesko, Posted: Feb 18 2002 at 12:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) all you meele babys..tell you what next time you loot a cross il go get some nails and you can nail yourself to it.alwys thinking you save the group.druids clerics and chanters are the ones that save the group...i looted RBB and all you meele cry babys insisted only poor little you should roll on it..anyway it said all/all so its only fair.a cleric friend.and one of you meele crybabys even tried to petition OMG how pethitic.if you help kill you get to roll.i would have loved to see the faces of all you crybabys when she slod it to someone in the zone.or outside the zone im not sure all i know is she got a bunch of money and is a UBER cleric now..see NBG she needed it.just like i did needed it to sell.NBG please no matter what you think were all greedy.have a good day and see you on the next raid =)
what?!
# Feb 18 2002 at 2:59 AM Rating: Good
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to the chanter that said he would never join a need before greed group , i hope that some deisel crazy insane caster item that you'll been wanted for ever drops in a group you're in and some melee wins the roll and sells it for money while yer still in the zone ... this is a item most tanks (and other melees) dream about ... you cant get better then this til the "end game" and you still may never get a better haste item and any person that would loot this and cant use it just for greed is a RL ******* and i hope i never meet any of you in eq or rl... /rude to all you clowns ~~ i play eq to have fun and have never looted i item i couldnt use inless no one in the group/raid could use... i guess its more fun for me to see someone get something that would make them realy happy then to be a greedy cocksmack
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RE: what?!
# Mar 05 2002 at 2:56 AM Rating: Default
well said friend , well said )


Edited, Tue Mar 5 02:56:27 2002
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#Callayene, Posted: Feb 27 2002 at 4:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First point...it's SHE not he, Heddy.
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