Greetings and salutations my fellow mages. This may have been addressed in a much earlier post, but its too aggravating to wade through the flames and stupid comments to find it; plus much has changed over time. My question is this: what should a mage choose as his/her specialization, evocation or conjuration? In the late game which is more important to a mage generally? are there certain high-end spells that dictate specializing in one over the other? Your advice would be most welcome. I am also very interested in the "why" behind your answers/opinions. Thank you in advance.
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A tricky question. It depends on how you want to play your mage. Now if you're after max nukage, evoc is probably the way to go as it gives you a nice hefty boost to Bolt of Jerikor and FBoT, which are still two of our best DPS spells. Specialization in Evoc makes them cost less, meaning you can chain them more effectively. Really that's the one advantage evoc has over conj, but it's a bigun.
Now conjuration spec is a bit different. Our main conjuration based spells are pets, heals, and certain nukes. I should say that I'm conjuration based, but I try to remain unbiased. The advantages that it offers are more efficent chain summoning, more efficent pet healing, and very mana efficent nuking.
So really it depends. One could argue that Conjuration adds more utility to the skills that make us a unique class, but at the same time for max DPS you can't beat evoc spec. Really, it's up to you.
Faelawen, Starfyre, the Mad Mage of Povar
Now conjuration spec is a bit different. Our main conjuration based spells are pets, heals, and certain nukes. I should say that I'm conjuration based, but I try to remain unbiased. The advantages that it offers are more efficent chain summoning, more efficent pet healing, and very mana efficent nuking.
So really it depends. One could argue that Conjuration adds more utility to the skills that make us a unique class, but at the same time for max DPS you can't beat evoc spec. Really, it's up to you.
Faelawen, Starfyre, the Mad Mage of Povar
I know the old school thought is that Conjuration is the best, due to the nature of mags and spells that where available. I specilized mine this way.
with allot of the new nukes out there now allot of people have gone to evocation.
I still like the way I have it but if you go one way and don't like it you can always perform the quest to undue you specialty. I think its out of the temple of solsek ro.
I know that this isn't exactly advice but I think with Mags, specialization is still a real close call between the the two.
with allot of the new nukes out there now allot of people have gone to evocation.
I still like the way I have it but if you go one way and don't like it you can always perform the quest to undue you specialty. I think its out of the temple of solsek ro.
I know that this isn't exactly advice but I think with Mags, specialization is still a real close call between the the two.
There is always Rageing servant i bet conj spec serves useing rageing well
My 53 Mage has conjuration since I wanted to be more efficient with pet heals. IMHO, I think that keeping Joboo up and running in a group takes precedence over DPS, but then that's my style. If you're more the 'nuke it till it stops moving' type, then Evoc is probably a better bet.
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Personally, I prefer conjuration. Here are my reasons:
* Chain casting -- summoning pets is conj.
* Healing -- healing is conj.
* Magic DD -- our best magic based DD is conj.
* Fire DD -- This is where many people part. Personally, I use the lvl 70 Ancient spell Nova Strike which is conjuration. I prefer it over bolts for a few reasons.
1) It casts faster and is good for when I need to toss heals in. If I'm needing to heal pet then I definately don't have time for my bolt spell to cast.
2) It draws much less agro. Technically, it probably draws the same agro per hp damage. However, if you have agro reducing AAs then that agro is spread out pretty evenly where the bolts would come in spikes. During raids I'm lucky to empty half my mana tank before drawing agro with bolts. However, I can get down to 25 percent, sometimes an empty tank using DDs. And my dps is really not that much lower if at all.
3) Specialization aside, I find the Nova Strike just as mana efficient if not more so. IMO bolts are only more efficient on paper. In practice they are no more efficient than the DD. I seem to get fewer resists with the Nova Strike. Also, if I'm raiding and some wizard kills the mob before my cast finishes then I'm not charged the mana; however, with bolts I do get charged unless I'm not on mount and can duck in time. There are many other similar things like bolts already in the air when mob dies, bolts getting hung up on tracking or something, etc. Don't get me wrong, there are a few encounters I can think of where bolts rock. And for those fights it's still an option for me. I just loose a hair more mana is all.
Bottom line, if you feel you have a shot at getting an ancient rune then I think it leans in the favor or conjuration. However, if you feel you won't see an ancient rune then I feel it's a coin toss.
* Chain casting -- summoning pets is conj.
* Healing -- healing is conj.
* Magic DD -- our best magic based DD is conj.
* Fire DD -- This is where many people part. Personally, I use the lvl 70 Ancient spell Nova Strike which is conjuration. I prefer it over bolts for a few reasons.
1) It casts faster and is good for when I need to toss heals in. If I'm needing to heal pet then I definately don't have time for my bolt spell to cast.
2) It draws much less agro. Technically, it probably draws the same agro per hp damage. However, if you have agro reducing AAs then that agro is spread out pretty evenly where the bolts would come in spikes. During raids I'm lucky to empty half my mana tank before drawing agro with bolts. However, I can get down to 25 percent, sometimes an empty tank using DDs. And my dps is really not that much lower if at all.
3) Specialization aside, I find the Nova Strike just as mana efficient if not more so. IMO bolts are only more efficient on paper. In practice they are no more efficient than the DD. I seem to get fewer resists with the Nova Strike. Also, if I'm raiding and some wizard kills the mob before my cast finishes then I'm not charged the mana; however, with bolts I do get charged unless I'm not on mount and can duck in time. There are many other similar things like bolts already in the air when mob dies, bolts getting hung up on tracking or something, etc. Don't get me wrong, there are a few encounters I can think of where bolts rock. And for those fights it's still an option for me. I just loose a hair more mana is all.
Bottom line, if you feel you have a shot at getting an ancient rune then I think it leans in the favor or conjuration. However, if you feel you won't see an ancient rune then I feel it's a coin toss.
i specialized in conjuration myself. there are just too many good spells that use conjuration to pass up. pet summoning, pet heals, pet kits, magic based dd.
evocation is good for the dd. but its ultimately your call
evocation is good for the dd. but its ultimately your call
Scholar
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Ahhh, didn't know that pet healing spell at higher levels is conjuration...my mage is only lvl 37 and those are alteration. Definitely gives me something to think about, as well as the other reasons you all listed. Might just have to check into that quest to change my specialization.
it realy depends on the situation, but as far as the high end goes there is a new aa out that allows you to pic up to one extra specilization and there for you can have both, i personly on my 63 mage have evocation and on my 51 mini mage that im pling up i have conjuration, most of your spells especally the fire based are evo, but a lot of the nice aoe spells are conjuration, its realy what you like to use, while the evo spells are typicaly faster casting and more direct dammage the conjuration spells typically are aoe or have a 1/2 second stun on them, (59 magic based dd spell acutally has more hate on it then the level 61 bolt flame spell due to the stun) if you plan on doing a lot of raids i would say deffently evocation as being able to pump out the dps is nessary if you plan on grouping or soloing and haveing 2 mobs on at least every other pull the aoe's can help you greatly but like i said the new aa makes this all up to you as you can eventually get both.
I'd like to bump this and ask how the Mages feel about this topic with the new Mana Regen during down time. With the ability to get mana back so fast when you aren't in combat, summoning and utility doesn't seem like it would have much if any impact on your mana pool anymore. If you had to pick now, with the new system, would you still want Conjuration, or would you switch to Evocation?
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Zeyl
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28 Vashir Beastlord
12 Drakken Mage
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I donno, I am debating myself what to specialize.. I see people saying that pet heals are conjuration but mine (renew summoned; I'm only 22 at the moment :P ) is defenitely alteration..
I see no difference in mana regen, in combat or out of combat. I am defenitely leaning towards evocation because nuking is what I do the most in a play session. Setting up myself (summoning pet/gear) is usually a one time thing at the start.. Magic nukes aren't as powerful as the fire nukes either, I only use magic when aggro becomes a problem.
I see no difference in mana regen, in combat or out of combat. I am defenitely leaning towards evocation because nuking is what I do the most in a play session. Setting up myself (summoning pet/gear) is usually a one time thing at the start.. Magic nukes aren't as powerful as the fire nukes either, I only use magic when aggro becomes a problem.
Specialize in what you use the most now, and for the next 10-20 or so projected levels. As you level & obtain spells, this will change. So too, can your specialization via simple quest.
Having the right spec for the spells you cast most essentially increases your mana pool. This allows you to kill longer before medding, or even grant the capacity to kill mobs you otherwise couldn't - or at the very least allow you to contribute more to your group before you are forced to med. Imagine getting penalized an extra 10% mana cost for your favorite nuke...it's like that if you don't spec right. It's all about being more efficient - just like crit aa & pet focus & spell focus & SCM aa, etc.
I don't feel OoC regen has negated the benefit of specialization, just as I don't feel it has negated the benefit of having an extra 300hp or 300mana - both just a tick of OoC regen. But who cares about being Out Of Combat? I like being in combat, personally. Having a higher base Mana is still king, and having the right specialization is the same thing but just not displayed.
Having the right spec for the spells you cast most essentially increases your mana pool. This allows you to kill longer before medding, or even grant the capacity to kill mobs you otherwise couldn't - or at the very least allow you to contribute more to your group before you are forced to med. Imagine getting penalized an extra 10% mana cost for your favorite nuke...it's like that if you don't spec right. It's all about being more efficient - just like crit aa & pet focus & spell focus & SCM aa, etc.
I don't feel OoC regen has negated the benefit of specialization, just as I don't feel it has negated the benefit of having an extra 300hp or 300mana - both just a tick of OoC regen. But who cares about being Out Of Combat? I like being in combat, personally. Having a higher base Mana is still king, and having the right specialization is the same thing but just not displayed.
Conjuration for chain casting pets,heals,toys who cares about Evocation thats for a Wizard.My job is to summon rods,toys,malise mobs,ds shields and throw in 2 rain nukes per each mob ingaged anything more and your mana will not be enough for endless pulls so thats my 2 cents.I forgot to mention while in groups if cleric gets in trouble i send in pet to stun npc get cleric a chance to root or heal and move out there let pet off tank until chanter mezzes it if possible.I can`t tell yea how many times i had to chain heal pet in those situations so yea conjuration owns.
Edited, Dec 2nd 2006 2:06pm by Ghostlessss
Edited, Dec 2nd 2006 2:06pm by Ghostlessss
I know it is a bit late after the original psot but, just get the aa to get two specialized skills, can't remember what it is called but it is either in the GoD tab or the PoP 2nd tab. hope this helps anyone interested.
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