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#1 Jul 15 2009 at 2:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Everfrost
Permafrost Keep
Iceclad Ocean
Tower of Frozen Shadow
Great Divide
Eastern Wastes
Velketor's Labyrinth (can you imagine the trains on Mayong?)
Kael Drakkal
Western Wastes
The Ascent
Icefall Glacier
Valdeholm
Frostcrypt

Hmm, I see a pattern here.

Edited, Jul 15th 2009 6:53am by Sippin
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#2 Jul 15 2009 at 2:53 AM Rating: Good
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So chill out of the summer heat and go play in the snow.

Sad to see some of the same old zones however.

#3 Jul 15 2009 at 3:26 AM Rating: Decent
The Ascent and Western Wastes are poor hot zone choices in my opinion. The 65ish crowd is **** out of luck with this set.

Icefall will be great for kiters.

Not really sure why Valdeholm is still a hotzone after being one for 6 months. Why not make some of the TBS zones hotzones.../shrug.

Frostcrypt can still be a tough zone unless you're overgeared for it. Good choice though for the 75-80 crowd.
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Someone at Sony just decided to make all the snow zones "hot." Which wasn't the best formula for deciding. It means GD and Vald are hot zones for the second straight time. Considering the popularity of these zones, this is a bad way to introduce the game to newcomers because they'll get the impression that EQ is all about winter and ice.

Velks is a great zone and super for levelling, even without being hot. It can support 5 groups easily (meaning even halfwits can get to those camps.) Plus I know of at least another 5 camp spots in the zone that players with half a brain can get to. Either way, though, it's going to be train central on a server like Mayong because until players get the hang on moving around on the ice-slick ramps without lev, most are going to want to camp the 2-3 spots on the first floor, including the zone-in. Which means trains, camp-stealing, /ooc wars, etc. But still this is a great zone and anybody returning from long ago will possess fond memories of levelling here.

IC, EW, GD and WW all look the same. Gross overkill to make them all hot zones.

TFS is a fun zone but not sure if the "modern" player has the patience for this, what with the keyed access to each floor and all. Plus it's a thin linear zone so not good for multiple camps.

Kael is a great zone, plenty of camp spots. I do hear complaints about excessively long spawn times in some areas, which may be an issue. I've wandered around Kael many times just for fun and been the only person in the zone. Will be fun to see others whacking giants!

Icefall, great zone, large and with lots of camps. Good hot zone. Vald is good for the same reasons but kinda lame to repeat it as hot. I've spent a lot of time in Frostcrypt and it's not a bad zone but being a dungeon it doesn't support a lot of camps and the zone-in is tiny and cramped.

Everfrost, great noobie zone. Barbs luck out that they can level 1-25 without leaving their first zone. And with Permafrost, if they can handle this tough dungeon, they can get another 10 or so levels.

The Ascent is an offbeat zone well-worth visiting but it sucks as a hot zone.



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#5 Jul 15 2009 at 5:27 AM Rating: Good
Nothing for my 55 paladin 2 AA. Np though enjoying the slow pace of a solo pally no defiant armor no healer terckey.

The orc fort in EW should be good for a 40 to 47 ish toon. Then they could head to the giant fort close to great divide.

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Tower of Frozen Shadow is a terrible hot zone. It's far too easy to outlevel a floor while still waiting for the key to drop.
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#7 Jul 15 2009 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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I agree with Joph about tofs, though I do have keys to most levels.

Disagree about 55 paladin. I would think velks is great for you.
#8 Jul 15 2009 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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The last 2 times I leveled alts in TOFS...they must have upped the key mob dropping rate. The longest I waited was the second ( library ) floor ( always the hardest, it seems) But it only took two sweeps of the level to get the pop.

Maybe I just got lucky twice...Smiley: sly
#10 Jul 16 2009 at 2:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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And when the devs get upset:)


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The level of entitlement some of you show towards things we do to help you out is amazing. Believe me.. I could have used the time I spent setting up the hotzones elsewhere. The zones were chosen based upon a theme. Don't like them? Don't play in them. I'm inclined to recommend we not do them anymore.




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There aren't any this time around. The items guys are WAY too hammered getting itemization ready for beta to throw this on them. I'm hoping to have new augs/stuff for the next set.




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The same level of entitlement you show when you buy a burger or a shirt. You pay for a product and rather than being happy with getting any food or clothing if your burger is cold or the shirt has a torn hem you complain to the person who collects a paycheck for making or selling that item.


Actually your analogy is inaccurate. More correctly this is like you buying a burger, and having them throw in a free order of fries to go along with your burger, and you complaining the fries aren't big enough or are too salty.

There was a time before Hot Zones. They are something the team decided would be cool to throw in as an added bonus.




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Elidroth wrote:
The level of entitlement some of you show towards things we do to help you out is amazing. Believe me.. I could have used the time I spent setting up the hotzones elsewhere. The zones were chosen based upon a theme. Don't like them? Don't play in them. I'm inclined to recommend we not do them anymore.

Makes me glad I don't play any more.

Yeah, there was a time before Hot Zones. Years ago. If a burger joint gives you an order of fries with your burger every day for years, it stops being a "free bonus bag of fries!" and becomes part of the package deal.
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#12REDACTED, Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 7:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just have to be careful is all when we take other's postings as fact when they are quoting off another forum. Just curious though, why do you post here or think your words of wisdom are still up to date and valuable if you don't play any longer?
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Just curious though, why do you post here or think your words of wisdom are still up to date and valuable if you don't play any longer?

Aren't they? Most of EQ hasn't changed much -- especially with the new slower rate of expansion releases. If I tell someone how to get the floor keys for Befallen, that information is most likely still accurate, right? I gave someone advice on where they can level a 46 Mage and no one seemed to have a problem with it. Has leveling a 46 Mage in the past six months changed all that much? Tower of Frozen Shadows is still the same keyed-per-floor zone it was in January?

I post here because I post on the Allakhazam.com forums and tend to wander about. I post here because I can still sometimes help someone or give an opinion on something. No one's required to take them as gospel.

Oh, and I've seen Egnaro posting here for years. She's built enough credibility with me to have me assume her posts are factually accurate. And kept the same avatar, too!

Edited, Jul 16th 2009 10:54am by Jophiel
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#14 Jul 16 2009 at 8:18 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd be curious really how much dev time is needed to "set up" a hotzone, especially if the loot table isn't changed. I mean this involves upping the bonus% for XP, which strikes me as potentially a very quick program edit. I mean I program as part of my living and I'd like to think they're practical enough to have some kind of global variable they'd edit, rather than have to edit some property of every mob in the zone.

With developer attitudes like expressed above, assuming they're legit, EQ's growth is doomed fer sure.
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#15 Jul 16 2009 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
Velks brings back too many memories of being kill stealed and falling off the ramps.
#16 Jul 16 2009 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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Hey I play still and can make mistakes. Joph has seen a lot more of the game than I have and he has a job that lets him post a lot.
SO yeah listen or dont. He can have a good idea or two.

Now joph how about some of that plat you have squirlled away?
Or did you give it all to Mandie?
#17 Jul 16 2009 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
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i totally side with the Devs on this. gamers playing video games today are possibly the most self-entitled generation to ever exist. they're full of the "its all about me" attitude, failing to consider what's actually going on at the developing studios or publishing houses.
so what if there's no new items or augments ? there's zone upon zone upon zone full of drops and augs. go hunt there if you want equipment. you can't always have your cake and eat it too.
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i totally side with the Devs on this. gamers playing video games today are possibly the most self-entitled generation to ever exist. they're full of the "its all about me" attitude, failing to consider what's actually going on at the developing studios or publishing houses.
so what if there's no new items or augments ? there's zone upon zone upon zone full of drops and augs. go hunt there if you want equipment. you can't always have your cake and eat it too.


A-freakin-men brutha

Edited, Jul 16th 2009 9:02pm by madmurr
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Incidentally, a dev has announced that they didn't have the time to put new drops in the new hotzones. No augs. Nothing.


Last Hot Zone update was last December 2008. They must of had a meeting regarding changing hot zone at one point. I would assume that it was understood that with the hot zones came more experience and augs? Hard for me to conceive that they didn't have enough time. Except if all departments were working on Marketing?........................NOT!

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I'm with Elidroth.

Start giving away free french fries with a burger and people are happy. Years later, they start complaining the fries are too salty.
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Years later, they're not really "free fries" any longer. Hell, years later you have customers who never knew you without the burger & fries deal and to whom you're just ******** with their fries.

For obvious reasons, I don't care if there's new augments/gear or not. But Elidroth comes across as whiney and petulant when he stamps his foot and threatens to take all the hot zones away because God forbid people criticize.

That something friggin' Brenlo would have done. And that guy was a jagsack.
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#22 Jul 17 2009 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
How can any casual player complain when they are given the moon in todays EQ? There is no need for any more hotzone augments or gear IMO. Remember Granitesmash in RCoD that drops a 10 ac no drop augment rec level 60. Now kill a few mobs in PoI and bam you get a better one for less effort. With defiant gear and mercs you can actually be overgeared for a zone just making it about grinding out AA at a faster rate over tactics.

That is mostly why I solo now days, as I don't want to hunt with a player with crazy hps and ac even before the cleric buff (my pally just uses Valor atm) only killing in the hotzone for xp as fast as possible. I'd rather build my pally AAs so I can heal myself etc. Yes the defiant player can hit bigger zones, but I'm content with my smaller zones.

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I was in a very similiar arguement the other night in general chat on the server. People were whining about how crappy some of the new Hotzones were and the fact that there were no new items for them. I have come to the conclusion that people wither think they are entitled to the Hotzones/augs and feel they have to right to comnplain when it not what they or want or they have come to expect everything just given to them and they dont recall what its like to have to work for things.

The Hotzones are a great idea, and the fact that they did them for as long as they have, is a gift for us. People forget, that hotzones are an added bonus for us, and NOT a requirement. Many folks who have started playing in the last couple years DO believe its part of the game.

It reminds me of my kids. My 12 year old is the most thankless kid in the world. Last christmas he wanted an xbox. We got him one, he complained it didnt have the part to go online. We buy him games for that and every other game system has, and if its not the one he asked for, he says well "next time, get me this one, its the one I wanted". He never says thankyou, but keeps on asking for more.

So I sit and read all the posts/chats about the new hotzones and it sickens me. When did we all stop appreciating what it is we have/are given as is, and expect everything to be the way we want it? Honestly, it doesnt even just apply to the new hotzones either. Same arguement stands for what people said about the Mayong server, ot when they released info on the next expansion. People complained and griped about what they thought was wrong or what they figured would suck so bad.

People seem to forget, that this is a GAME after, well for most of us it is. If we dont like the road the game is taking or has taken in the past, then quit. If you cannot appreciate the fact that its for entertainment, that it allows you to get out of your daily life drama and associate with friends/family the friggin quit.

As Elidroth stated if you dont like the HZ, dont play there. Simple. I took my pally last night to Crpt of Decay, the last 60 HZ. No one was there. No Camp Stealing, KSing, trains or any ********** Yes, it took me a few more kills to earn that aa, but so what? Im not in any hurry to get said pally to 85. I thoroughly enjoy playing this game. Yes, I am sad there isnt going to be any new augs or new item drops in the new hz, but so what? My world isnt going to collapse...why the hell is yours?

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People seem to forget, that this is a GAME after, well for most of us it is.

For SOE, it's a business. Throwing a public hissy fit and threatening to take your ball and go home because your customers dared criticize is just plain ****** customer service. That sort of petty behavior alone deserves to be criticized regardless of the whole "Are these good hot zones or not?" debate.

There's no such thing as "entitlement" when it comes to business. Any given person either feels they're getting their money's worth or they don't. The business either cares and changes or doesn't care and doesn't change. How much they care will be a direct reflection upon staying profitable. Mocking your customers for being "entitled" is just a cheap attempt to shame them into shutting up rather than dealing with their concerns.

A much better response would have just been "Hey, sorry guys. We'd have loved to throw more stuff in but the team is really busy with the new expansion (which I think you're going to love) and we thought it was better to change up with some new zones even if they didn't have new items than to keep the old zones. Don't forget that the old hot zones all keep their drops so there's plenty of chances to get some new gear and augments as you level up!"

Addresses the customers' concerns and sympathises with them, explains why it wasn't possible and gives a solution. You could easily come up with a similar response for complaints about the zones by saying you wanted to do a theme without resorting to childish "Then don't use them! Maybe we won't do them anymore, huh? Whattya think about THAT??" remarks.
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#25 Jul 18 2009 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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That something friggin' Brenlo would have done. And that guy was a jagsack.


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Unless I am misreading my bank statement I still pay to play this game. That means simply that I have every right to A) expect quality and commitment on the part of SOE in developing and marketing a good gaming experience, and B) receive civil and polite treatment by those who with my monthly fee I have HIRED to create and maintain my gaming experience. I enjoy EQ immensely and frankly spend way too much time playing, but sometimes I wonder if the powers that be realize that they are now in a highly competitive market, one in which their market share has steadily decreased. Truth is the developer is probably correct to a degree... but a good businessman never tells their customers how annoying they are. You would rather have whiney, entitled customers than none at all...


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