Ruins of Old Paineel (The Hole)

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40 - 65

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The Hole is also known as Old Paineel, the first stronghold of the Heretics, and has long been taken over Elementals and their ilk.

For the longest time, the Hole was rumored to house the entrance to the Underfoot... This is, of course, no longer a rumor.

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where is the key???
# Dec 22 2001 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
Ok I am frustrated...went to suppiour supplies and they dont have the Hole key for sale. How do I get it????

Is it a quest?
Do I ask questions??

I am at a lose please help!
RE: where is the key???
# Dec 29 2001 at 1:34 AM Rating: Good
In the merchant building in front of the bank in Paineel. The key looks like a bag, so use the ALT key to see what everything is. Only 1 of the 2 merchents sell it.
RE: where is the key???
# May 18 2002 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
FYI, the key is sold in Paineel at/near vendor #10 on the EQAtlas map:

The key looks like a bag, named "Hole Key" and sold to our necro for 135pp.
Quest Item?
# Nov 26 2001 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
While hunting Ratman warriors in the Jail are our group looted an item call Copper Medal of War. Anyone else found this item.

MM Server
Just My two copper
# Nov 14 2001 at 4:44 AM Rating: Decent
I think Verant should seriously consider making this dungeon drop some better items... Its not as difficult as ToV or VP ect ect... However this zone is a big time pain... Much more difficult than dungeons like KC and Velks... and its just not worth the pain in the butt to go way over to Odus to get good exp with only a few Ok drops.. From my experience, people would prefer to fight in a zone with Ok exp. and a chance at a good drop than a zone with awesome exp. and pretty sorry drops for the lvl of the mobs... The only reason people ever go to this zone is if they're doing Epic pieces...

Just my 2Copper
Hindad Aesir
Mystic of the 54 Season
# Nov 28 2001 at 4:29 AM Rating: Decent
68 posts
I agree, tho the Imbued Granite Spaulders are quite nice
# Nov 12 2001 at 9:14 PM Rating: Default
I am an Erudite Cleric who does not travel much. I was hesitant even to go into the warrens at first (I was killed on my first try). Can I hunt in The Hole or are there guards there? If so, are they undead or what? Also, do I need to travel through Paineel to get there? And are there things that will kill me there as well?
Thank you
# Jan 19 2002 at 10:57 PM Rating: Excellent
22 posts
Get out. See the world. Have fun :)

type / all CLERIC (your level) and find out what other clerics your level are up to. I don't know what level you are but it sounds as if you are probably too low for the hole.

You should not be KoS in a lot of places Qeynos, Freeport, Shadowhaven, a whole lotta cool cities.

Good luck. Have fun. Leave Odus, there's not a ton of stuff to do there.

Jiblet 45 Wood Elf Ranger
Gibba 34 Wood Elf Dr00d
Kanuuk 20 Erudite Wizard
Jibsey 19 Dwarf Warior

Edited, Sat Jan 19 22:59:48 2002
uh, lookin fer exp
# Oct 17 2001 at 8:27 PM Rating: Default
could a 49 druid solo the ent? Interested in exp, can always kill the eles in water, but if I snare one will it aggro the others? And could I kill one solo?
RE: uh, lookin fer exp
# May 03 2002 at 12:45 AM Rating: Decent
No way no how a 49 drood lives here. They hit for 120 quad and come in pairs. Less joo got the cahones to quad (or duo) in that pool :P.
hole cr 101
# Oct 14 2001 at 10:33 AM Rating: Excellent
I did it got my corpse thanks to posters, but some things werent clear so i am going to list how to do it step by step.
1)create halfling rogue of brell
2)get his butt to paineel
3)bind him as close as possible in paineel
4)enter through crack, its in the room with large pond inside the area that leads to the warrens, instead of going left to warrens, go strait you will find steps that lead down to large pond.
5)go into the water, you will see a crack just below water level use duck (d) right and left will lead down to underwater entrance to hole zone
6) swim to shore in hole zone then hide/sneek
7)successful if say you hidden from view/stalking like cat.
8) use eqatlas map to get to docks, swim to waterfall, keep in water and follow it (underwater) till you fall into large pond at bottom.
9) consent and start dragging corpse through tunnle to the left till you get back to the ledge you first dropped down in large cave. get corpse close as possible to the ledge.
10) let you thief die (attack anything )
11) go back into the hole to the top of ledge and pull corpse all the way to the water you entered zone at.
12) take character is really cring and go through crack (is large enough to even fit barbarian) and loot corpse and leave the same way you came in.

i hope this helps all who fall in, believe me i know how much it bites )
Difficulty of MOBs
# Oct 10 2001 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
I have a 45 cleric who´s really, really tired of DL. I´m thinking of bringing him here, but I have a question.

Since this is a new zone, do the mobs act like Velious or Kunark mobs (HP and damage wise) or are they, since the zone is located in the Old World, like other mobs on Antonica, Odus and Faydwer?
RE: Difficulty of MOBs
# Feb 11 2002 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
Comparing Hole mobs to other mobs:

1) Elementals = standard stuff at that level (normal HP and AC for 45+ mob)
2) Flighty Fiends = standard mob of that level
3) Ratmen warriors = tough little bastards, hit hard, high AC
4) Undead = real tough
5) Rock Golems = 3x HP of any mob in zone, very, very hard to mezz, hit like trucks
6) Ratmen Guards = Buckle your chin-strap...

At least 30% of front third mobs will summon and ver 60% of back two thirds of zone will summon.

You must bring a porter or CoH mage to get back out if you go past front drop ledge. You can be less than 50, but I wouldn't recommend anyone else being below 50 and you should have 49 rezz. There is a reason the Hole has a great exp bonus. You have to earn your paycheck in this zone. Here was my last group: 54 WAR, 54 PAL, 52 SK, 51 ENC (me), 54 CLR, 50 DRU, and in the front third (entrance to city courtyard), we lasted through two spawn cycles before two golems and a ratman warrior add forced an evac.

Funnest zone in game for me, though.
yep i fell in the hole
# Oct 08 2001 at 9:51 PM Rating: Default
had a 30 pally fall in the hole lol. thanks for the rouge trick ). but there is a twist i fell in during pk battle on sullen zek. from what i understand in order to make the trick work you need to be bound to paineel. only a higher level nuet can do this on this server (and dont think they would be interested in helping me recover a goodie) is there another way to get corpse out once you got the rogue in to nab it??
A few tips
# Aug 28 2001 at 4:07 PM Rating: Excellent
68 posts
Exp hunting: Some people have had success soloing here at the zone. I think the trick would be being able to handle more than one at a time since they're pretty close together. I've never tried it, but there is a VERY substantial exp bonus in here, so even a single group hanging out at the zone will get fantastic exp and a chance at some nice items. All in relative safety since the zone is very close to the first mobs.

Epic Drops: A hint for those in guilds that need a lot of epic drops. My alliance got four Kirns (for shamans), six Kindles (for chanters), one Keeper (for pallies) and three Jaeils (for rangers) in four days of raids. We did this by making one big raid that took us all the way in on the first day. Then, we had a mage with CoH and a druid bind and camp at the safe spot to the right of Kirn's tower (as you face it) that overlooks the waterfall. Everyone else gated or ported out. The next evening everyone regathered and the druid grouped with the mage and ported out and grouped people to be CoHed in. We managed to fit about 30 people on the safe ledge without agroing anything, plenty for a successful raid here. This way you can get as many epic fights as you need without having to go through the long fight to this point more than once.

Kirn's Tower: The tower where Kirn and Kindle are found has only a very few mobs that aren't ghosts, and those few are quest mobs that are non-kos. We used invis to undead self and group spells and potions to get the entire raid up to Kindle's room without fighting a single ghost. Then because two in that room are quest mobs, only one other agroed when invis to undead dropped.

Maps: There are *fantastic* maps available at which have all of the mobs and their paths indicated, as well as what type they are. I (a shaman) guided a ranger/sk pulling team who had never seen the zone before on what to pull to get us all the way through the zone, based entirely on exploring the zone myself and using the maps during the fight. These maps are amazing!
Venerable Heyokah Verdandi Snowblood, Hierophant of Cabilis, Barbarian Prophet, and Fluffy Pillow for the Celestial Knights
The Rogue with his hand in the air
# Aug 25 2001 at 4:03 PM Rating: Default
Ohhh Ohhh question.
I was in the hole by Master Yael exploring and found fusible earthen Ore Any idea what it is for? It is also a light source.
RE: The Rogue with his hand in the air
# Dec 12 2001 at 5:46 AM Rating: Decent
569 posts
Fusible Earthen Ore is part of a high lvl quest. I don't remember everything needed. It had to do with Al'Kabor's portal experiments. One of the other pieces you needed was coral from Phinney in Kedge Keep. There were 4 things I believe. After you get these items you turn them into an NPC in Warslik's Woods for a GREAT item. I just wish I could remember what it was.
RE: The Rogue with his hand in the air
# Apr 03 2002 at 10:35 PM Rating: Decent
75 posts
It is used in the Fusibility Research quest:

Reward is Strength of Elements, very nice shoulder item:

AC: +15 Str: +15 Fire Resist: +15 Cold Resist: +15 HP: +100 Weight: 2.0
soloing in the Hole
# Aug 20 2001 at 9:38 PM Rating: Default
I'm a 45th level barb shaman with all my spells and decent gear. I'd love to explore this place. Is it possible to actually do any soloing in this place. If so, any suggestions would be appreciated.
# Aug 12 2001 at 3:18 AM Rating: Default
I did it! It truly can be done! I started a halfling Rogue on my roommates computer, gave consent to drag corpse, and headed in to the Hole. Kept Sneak & Hide on the whole time (otherwise the Rats will get you) and followed my trusty map. Didn't have to pay a necro 200pp or anything! I ended up following the other poster's advice on getting to the waterfall and jumping down (very exciting). You have to swim across a pool to get to the top edge before jumping. But then I was able to see a tunnel and hike my way back out, rather than the whole get yourself killed and summon the body from the top, which I couldnt figure out. Good Luck to everyone who tries it! And thanks so much to everyone who posted advice and encouragement!
Dear Tholuxe Rogue
# Aug 11 2001 at 3:13 PM Rating: Default
Pathetic 25 Druid here who tried to levitate over the Hole, heh heh. Would be eternally endebted for your assistance in retrieving my cold lifeless body. I can offer all I have in the world which is 40pp. And my undying worship of course. :) rsvp
RE: To All Those Who Fall...
# Aug 11 2001 at 9:39 PM Rating: Default
Yes Thanks So Much for the tips; I'm on my roommate's computer with a map of the Hole and a level 3 halfling rogue and will soon try to rescue my druid- but i still have LITTLE confidence ). I've read this entire board and am so grateful to everyone for the info. If the Tholuxe Paells Rogue reads this and still offers help; I will mail you presents in RL for the assistance! ;D
# Aug 11 2001 at 4:27 PM Rating: Default
The hole is a very safe place as far as body recovery. Create a Lil Fuzzy footed rogue who is a brell worshiper and he can cruse the hole
non-kos. Except revenants and rats WILL kill you.
Just hide and sneak and you are ok. Just FYI.
# Aug 25 2001 at 4:06 PM Rating: Excellent
Just another helpful tip I left out make a character... go to the character that fell in the hole consent your new characters name and log him in. the consent will stick to the new character even though your old one is logged off. Cool huh?
I got tricked (Ayeriana)
# Aug 11 2001 at 12:07 AM Rating: Default
Yes i already know i'm an idiot.. I am requesting the help of some high level necro that will take pitty on my pathetic corpse and help me get out of the hole... I wouldn't normally care, just start a new character... but i got tricked... i was told "yes its a cliff but there's plenty of water down there" so my dumb rear jumped.. I like my character and i had some cool stuff.. for a newbie... the onlything i can offer is a pathetic 20 plat... any necros wanna do a good deed for the year?
RE: I got tricked (Ayeriana)
# Aug 11 2001 at 11:53 AM Rating: Default
Are either of you on Tholuxe Paells? I was trying to help someone,, but by the time I found Her body she was gone. I didnt know the area to well then, but I do know. I have a rogue ready to help you if you are TP.
# Aug 10 2001 at 12:12 PM Rating: Default
Ummm, my lvl 20 friend just fell into the hole from paineel. I know gm's will not help with recovery. I was just wondering what the best way to get him out would be. I am unfamiliar with the zone but there are a few of us high enough there anyway to help him or is he lost forever?
# Aug 10 2001 at 11:34 PM Rating: Default
did you ever get an answer?
Dismiss Summoned
# Jul 26 2001 at 1:30 PM Rating: Default
Just a quick question, if a lot of the mobs in this zone are summoned creatures, how would a warrior duel wielding Gold Plated Kashintanas dropped from Naggy fair here? The GPK's proc Dismiss Summoned, I'm not sure how this spell works but would it be safe to assume that these weapons would make quick work of the elementals? Probably not but the theory sounds interesting. If it does, well my 2 GPK's just tripled in price!

Food for thought

RE: Dismiss Summoned
# Nov 28 2001 at 2:45 AM Rating: Decent
26 posts
I don't know the stats on the GPK, but Dismiss Summoned is a really nice spell for a weapon proc (maybe not as your primary level, but definitely for this zone).

The PC version of this spell does 92 + 2*level damage, capping at 162. It is a direct damage spell, focusing on one target (in case you're one of those who bought a Skyfire sword and then immediately tried to sell it when you found out it not only breaks mez but it can also harm you along with the mob -- you don't have to worry about that with GPK).

I don't know if that would affect the price of your swords though. I love the Hole, but it's really about the only place for the 50+ crowd where the GPK proc would be very useful. Maybe if they add a Plane of Underfoot with more elemental type mobs, and planar quality items and quests, then your swords would be considerably more valuable.

# Jul 15 2001 at 8:11 PM Rating: Default
OK all now here this....
Possible NEW QUEST!!!
I was in the hole and right under Master Yael were all these chunks of Ore there was like 20 of the darn things. they are called Fusible Earthen Ore. Magic Item No Drop. Any clues folks would help?
#Anonymous, Posted: Jul 15 2001 at 8:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post)
# Jun 30 2001 at 10:40 AM Rating: Default
You can fix or build your faction with the paineelians by killing kobolds in the warrens.
Question as a Brell worshippers
# Jun 28 2001 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
Hi all,

As a Brell-worshipping dwarven paladin, I am concerned about messing up my faction with oh, just about anyone who worships Brell, including my own people in Kaladim.

So, does anyone know if hunting here is like a Tunare follower hunting in Plane of Growth, or is it not quite that bad?

I'd appreciate any insight here, thanks!

RE: Question as a Brell worshippers
# Nov 28 2001 at 2:22 AM Rating: Decent
26 posts
Faction for mobs in the Hole (at least the elemental ones; I'm not sure if the undead Erudites give this faction or not; the ratmen don't) is "Minions of Underfoot." You will steadily lose faction with this group as you spend time in the Hole.

Your starting MoU faction is determined by how much Brell likes you. But when you leave the Hole, no one really cares so much how many of those elementals you killed.

In other words, it's like a lot of old world dungeons, where the negative faction hit is particular to that dungeon only. You won't become KOS in Kaladim just because you slaughtered a few of Brell's little footsoldiers.
# May 22 2001 at 5:22 PM Rating: Default
Anyone know the spawn rate of High Scale Kirn? Hoping to get a few Shammy Epic pieces in one night.

RE: Kirn
# May 25 2001 at 8:44 AM Rating: Default
I read it was between 4 and 8 hours. Not sure of the exact time but you would be there for a while if you wanna get more than one piece. Its also in a very dangerous area FYI even with 20 50+ people.
RE: Kirn
# Nov 29 2001 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
17 posts
Krin has a 4 hour spawn time.
I hear you knocking but you can't come in
# May 13 2001 at 12:44 AM Rating: Default
Please tell me there is someone who knows the answer to this question.... Where do you get a key to the front door of the castle tower???
Have tried lockpick with a capped rogue...bought the key from paineel, it only works for the zone in door. Please help. ...a very frustrated rogue
#Anonymous, Posted: May 30 2001 at 2:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ANYBODY HELLO.....HELLO
# May 08 2001 at 10:23 AM Rating: Default
Anyone have any strategies on getting to / killing Kirn? Anything at all will be appreciated... Any info on him, hp / resistances... ANYTHING! Thank you.
#Anonymous, Posted: May 08 2001 at 10:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Anyone have any strategies on getting to / killing Kirn? Anything at all will be appreciated... Any info on him, hp / resistances... ANYTHING! Thank you.
Spawn time
# May 01 2001 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
39 posts
I've found that the spawn time is somewhat random based on the server reset time here. It is between 20-24 minutes and is set once the server resets
Cennyan Evalion
L60 Enchanter of the Nameless
# Apr 24 2001 at 8:15 PM Rating: Default
what should the min level of the enchanter be to hold his own in a group at the zone? around 45 maybe?

Atno Mindweaver
40th Enchanter
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