Plane of Hate: Revisited [The Broken Mirror Version]

I can hardly ever get a populated zone... 9/10 time is just named, is there a trick to getting a populated instance?

Group line-up:
103 Shammy
103 Warrior
101 Pally
3 Jt5 healers on reactive

Any help would be appreciated.

~Joenzair
103 Barbarian Shaman
Nine Eight Niners
Zek server


Edited, Oct 1st 2021 4:25pm by dawgy33

L 101.9763, -131.5714, 98.0020, 115.4307, -209.1129, 98.0020, 0, 0, 0
L 115.4307, -209.1129, 98.0020, 306.8896, -183.1034, 98.0020, 0, 0, 0
L 306.8896, -183.1034, 98.0020, 257.0863, 144.8657, 98.0020, 0, 0, 0
L 257.0863, 144.8657, 98.0020, 311.2884, 253.7571, 98.0020, 0, 0, 0
L 311.2884, 253.7571, 98.0020, 540.7579, 457.9218, 99.9395, 0, 0, 0
L 540.7579, 457.9218, 99.9395, 540.7847, 457.9509, 99.9395, 0, 0, 0
L 141.7305, 181.1495, 98.0020, -131.5898, 175.3384, 98.0020, 0, 0, 0
L -131.5898, 175.3384, 98.0020, -189.1164, -597.2568, 99.9395, 0, 0, 0
L -189.1164, -597.2568, 99.9395, 220.4617, -602.7925, 99.9395, 0, 0, 0
L 220.4617, -602.7925, 99.9395, 220.4617, -602.7925, 99.9395, 0, 0, 0
P 348.0076, 372.3541, 2.3812, 0, 0, 127, 2, SUCCORPOINT
P 63.7239, -21.4224, 3.4634, 0, 0, 240, 2, UP_Second_Zone_Part
P -274.9019, -391.0361, 3.6308, 240, 0, 0, 2, Maestro_of_Rancor_(raid)
P 167.3472, 362.4036, 5.2908, 240, 0, 0, 2, Lord_of_Ire
P -101.0900, 381.1859, 48.6437, 0, 0, 0, 2, Ashenbone_Broodmaster_(upstairs)
P 161.1089, 367.4677, 48.6425, 0, 0, 0, 2, Magi_P'Tasa_(upstairs)
P 64.1651, 116.1296, 48.6414, 240, 0, 0, 2, Avatar_of_Abhorrence_(snare/nukes)
P 317.8363, -92.1501, 26.1377, 240, 0, 0, 2, Coercer_T'Vala
P -293.2932, 73.7695, 3.6310, 240, 0, 0, 2, Lord_of_Loathing
P -220.2410, -338.9656, 49.1483, 0, 0, 0, 2, High_Priest_M'Kari_(upstairs)
P 179.3616, 143.2903, 99.5168, 0, 0, 0, 2, Mistress_of_Scorn
P 454.0076, 58.2333, 101.5284, 0, 0, 0, 2, Grandmaster_R'Tal
P 451.5528, -200.0565, 101.5261, 0, 0, 0, 2, Master_of_Spite
P -366.7115, 104.8450, 1.6416, 240, 0, 0, 2, Hand_of_the_Maestro
P -57.5549, 305.9250, 47.0332, 0, 0, 0, 2, Hand_of_the_Maestro
P -9.0934, -229.8181, 146.6295, 0, 0, 0, 2, Innoruuk,_Prince_of_Hate_(2nd_Level)
P 194.4183, -351.2607, 145.0332, 0, 0, 240, 3, Inny_pre-charge_point_(safe)
P 99.8345, -112.2566, 98.0020, 0, 0, 240, 3, This_way_to_SE_trash_camp
P 540.7847, 457.9509, 99.9395, 0, 0, 240, 3, SE_trash_camp_2nd_floor
P 182.3056, 182.9327, 98.0019, 0, 0, 240, 2, Path_to_Inny
P 220.4617, -602.7925, 99.9395, 0, 0, 240, 3, Inny_setup_camp
P 175.3206, -395.7020, 98.0020, 0, 0, 240, 2, Inny_building_ent
P 182.5339, -291.5406, 98.0020, 0, 0, 240, 2, Safe_to_go_up_ramp
P 51.6917, -16.9135, 98.0020, 0, 0, 240, 2, 1st_floor_spiral
P 155.8425, -124.5152, 0.0020, 0, 0, 240, 2, Trash_Camp_2nd_floor
P 96.7465, -56.6722, 0.0020, 0, 0, 240, 2, Fountain/Maestro_Trash_Camp
P -118.5265, -427.0466, 0.0020, 0, 0, 240, 2, Camp_and_kill

Edited, Feb 2nd 2016 7:55am by iZealot

You optain the raid tasks for Hate and Fear btw from:

Amalissa Dawntender (Plane of Tranquility)

Spawn points and interesting spots to include in your map (e.g. HatePlane_2.txt or in HatePlane_3.txt) in the maps-folder:

P 348.0076, 372.3541, 2.3812, 0, 0, 127, 2, SUCCORPOINT
P 63.7239, -21.4224, 3.4634, 0, 0, 0, 1, UP_Second_Zone_Part

P -9.0934, -229.8181, 146.6295, 240, 0, 0, 2, Innoruuk,_Prince_of_Hate_(2nd_Level)
P -274.9019, -391.0361, 3.6308, 240, 0, 0, 2, Maestro_of_Rancor_(raid)

P 167.3472, 362.4036, 5.2908, 240, 0, 0, 2, Lord_of_Ire
P -101.0900, 381.1859, 48.6437, 240, 0, 0, 2, Ashenbone_Broodmaster
P 161.1089, 367.4677, 48.6425, 240, 0, 0, 2, Magi_P'Tasa
P 64.1651, 116.1296, 48.6414, 240, 0, 0, 2, Avatar_of_Abhorrence
P 317.8363, -92.1501, 26.1377, 240, 0, 0, 2, Coercer_T'Vala
P -293.2932, 73.7695, 3.6310, 240, 0, 0, 2, Lord_of_Loathing
P -220.2410, -338.9656, 49.1483, 240, 0, 0, 2, High_Priest_M'Kari
P 179.3616, 143.2903, 99.5168, 240, 0, 0, 2, Mistress_of_Scorn
P 454.0076, 58.2333, 101.5284, 240, 0, 0, 2, Grandmaster_R'Tal
P 451.5528, -200.0565, 101.5261, 240, 0, 0, 2, Master_of_Spite

The spawn point of Hand of Maestro is not fixed. The second time he spawned in the upper area, the third time down again, the fourth time upper area, here are some spawn points:
P -366.7115, 104.8450, 1.6416, 240, 0, 0, 2, Hand_of_the_Maestro
P -57.5549, 305.9250, 47.0332, 240, 0, 0, 2, Hand_of_the_Maestro
P -94.6215, 23.9770, 0.0020, 240, 0, 0, 2, Hand_of_the_Maestro
P 229.0556, 435.6261, 146.7023, 240, 0, 0, 2, Hand_of_the_Maestro

There are a bunch of red con mobs all about level 110-111 standing around the Minster of Bertoxxulous in one of the real big buildings at the 2nd floor, upper area:
P -276.8076, -122.1715, 150.2206, 127, 0, 0, 2, Level_111_Mobs_(Minister)

(correction: more spawn points 10th Jan 2016)


Edited, Jan 10th 2016 5:57pm by Fayman

Raid mobs:

Innoruuk, the Prince of Hate (110, wizard)
Maestro of Rancor (110, warrior, vampire)

Hunter Achievement:

Hand of the Maestro (109 warrior, reanimated hand)
Magi P'tasa (109, magician, vampire)
Avatar of Abhorrence (109 rogue, gargoyle)
Ashenbone Broodmaster (109 necromancer, dragon)
Lord of Ire (109, shadow knight, ghoul)
Lord of Loathing (109, wizard, spectre)
High Priest M'kari (109, cleric, dark elf)
Mistress of Scorn (109, mistress of scorn, zombie)
Master of Spite (109, shaman, golem)
Grandmaster R'tal (109, monk, zombie)
Coercer T'val (109, dark elf)

There are other red con mobs on track, with assumptions of level (correction 10th Jan 2016):

a Minister of Bertoxxulous (110-111, shadowknight, gnome)
a Craknek Emissary (110-111, warrior, ogre)
a Heretic of Odus (110-111, shadowknight, erudite)
a Kotiz Ambassador (110-111, necromancer, iksar)

a Greenblood Emissary (109-111, shadowknight, ogre)
a Nightkeep Warder (111, shadowknight, troll)
a Seeker of the Dark Truth (111, necromancer, dark elf)

a Greenmist Diplomat (110, shadowknight, iksar)
a Dismal Rager (110, shadowknight, human)
a Basher captain (110, warrior, troll)
a Steel Warrior (110, warrior, human)

thought destroyer (109, bard, zombie)
an Evangelist of Hate (109, warrior, dark elf)

Thought destroyer wandering the bottom area, others are in the upper area, but despite their name they are no named.

Plane of Hate (Revisited, TBM) has not the same Layout like actual low level Plane of Hate, but it is the same like the original Plane of Hate which got a revamp.

Hand of the Maestro seems to spawn in different places, sometimes down and sometimes in the upper floor. Third time he was in the middle of the big building with Lord of Ire and blocked the way to the named. Happy to catch him and nearly no real add present we pulled him and he aggroed clerics from the upper floor which didn't phased through the rooftop down but tried to happily care a really big bunch of friends all along the odd pathing way to the big building. The choice to pull the exodus trigger or hope to kill the hand while the adds cycling through the zone was easy...


Edited, Jan 10th 2016 5:58pm by Fayman

First try in that zone does not make much fun. It is not the current "old" zone, they changed the layout so it is a kind of new zone, only with old look and feel like current low level PoHate. There are many obstacles for groups which makes that zone really nasty.

- Aggro goes through houses/walls and mobs seem to have a wide aggro-range
- INVIS: works on most trash (didn't find one where it didn't work
- SOS: rogue invis works like a charm up to maestro of rancor and the minis
- Respawn: Mobs should not respawn but they seem to do it. Rebuffing after a wipe should be fast. Maybe it was a only a glitch or mobs are phasing around or they take very odd paths after trains (s.b)
- Safety at Succor: got 2 adds while rebuffing at the succor point. Use the farthest corner in that house, it seems safe for quite a time
- Fellowship: does not work in the zone :(
- Hunter: all in a raid get the Hunter Achievement, like usual
- Drops: they are the usual T2-Drops, some could be very interesting because they complete the sets/Items for different classes which are partly missing in the rest of the group zones, if bugfixed (e.g. Warrior-Aggro-Sword)
- Trash: the mobs are not really strong, most have very little hp but some have special features according to different sources (phase, mezz, fear (!)) but until now I have not had any single spell which stuck on a member of the crew (perhaps these features are only on named, but to have fear in that zone will really spoil your day as long as the aggro range is so wide and goes through walls!)

If you dare to come invis close to minis like "Lord of Ire" then he will not phase through the wall like most mobs, he will simply run through the whole area and bring half of the zone with him, so running around invis can wipe the group very fast.

Magi P'tasa, Avatar of Abhorrence, Ashenbone Broodmaster and Lord of Ire are all in one big house with larger areas. Use a rogue to explore the area.

Maestro of Rancor is invulnerable (first raid encounter in the big house) and he is assumably only attackable after killing 100 mobs. He has fellows around and above like High Priest M'kari at the balcony.

Lord of Loathing in the same building like Maestro has on the outer side of the wall possibly Hand of the Maestro waiting. Sending Pets down to Hand of the Maestro while standing high over him at the steep wall killed pets fast because adds came out of nowhere (through the odd pathing which also the pets seem to make) and healing was not possible because distance or better the height in that zone prevented any spells from landing. If group is fast enough close to spell range then crowd control from the Enchanter could handle it as long as Lord of Loathing would not aggro through the walls (which is likely but we couldn't check that, Druid pulled the Exodus-trigger as the last pet went down).

If you dare to group or box then prepare on many rebuffing breaks if you wipe. Some things perhaps of interest:

- Preprare always for adds because one aggro through the walls will bring other friends.
- Going around invis will keep you relatively safe as long as you don't come close to a named and then prepare for a named (perhaps more) AND adds.
- Exodus/Succor is a lifesaver here, while a rogue in SOS can get the corpses. Finding a good spot to not get aggro except the corner of the succor point house is another task to do.
- An excellent puller could make that zone fun.
- Crowd control rescued more than once the group.

If you are ubah or raid equipped than you surely can zerg throught the trash content. If you group or even box then prepare because without backup merc healing you have to react very fast.

Drops seem only really interesting compared to group zones for raiders. The equipment are perhaps from more interest if the BUGS are gone. Some might be interesting like:

- Shields for Caster/Tanks/Hybrids
- Enhanced Minion Earring
- Warrior Aggro Weapon

But as long as the focus is really crappy compared to TDS and the Aug5 is not possible to use, this zone seems pretty a waste of time for groupers or boxers except as a kind of testing area for their ability. If you want to do Hunter Achievement, have fun and expect a necessary interesting learning curve and provide a very good group combination which can cope with the above.

Group Layout for reference if you are boxing:

Once mastered, the zone can be quite fun. Imagine a dungeon crawl without seeing any cave walls. We do that whole stuff as a 7-people-raid (completely lvl 105)

Group:

Druid, 105, 15,8kAA
Cleric 105, 12kAA
Enchanter, 105, 15kAA + Pet (with Mage Toys)
Warrior, 105, 12,5kAA (completely maxed)
Magician, 105, 12,8kAA + Earth Pet and Air Pet (depending on trash or named)
Beastlord, 105, 13kAA + Pet (with Mage toys)
Rogue, 105, 9kAA (outside of a group, healed via Extended Target Window)

Gear:

TBM T2 + some T1, rest is TDS.
The group is balanced and it is able to do the most content in TBM so far.


Edited, Jan 2nd 2016 7:52am by Fayman

Edited, Jan 4th 2016 12:55am by Fayman