Ruins of Old Paineel (The Hole)

Ok, this dungeon should not be attempted without two full groups of 45+, and a cleric and enchanter are mandatory. The ele's run for help when low, and bring many hard hitting friends. Also the spawn time is 20 minutes or so, meaning once you work your way in, you have to fight your way back if you need to pick someone up. The rock golem is particularly nasty, hitting for 140 with tons of Hp's. Our full group of 45+ took him out, but we were all oom, then got whacked by a wnadering crusader.
Trains are deadly in this dungeon, and many of us died right afetr getting a rez due to people trying to "explore" or solo stuff *LOL*. The loamed stuff that *rarely* drops though (we did about 40 kills and got one piece) is very sweet for casters IMHO.

Saw a Stonemason Grinder or something like that at the bottom of the ramp as you venture past the first locked door...didn't have a chance to see the drop

The ratmen are the only thing that will attack a brel worshiper. I spent about 2 hours last night exploring with a lvl1 halfing rogue. Problem is even if a ratman sees you and cant catch you everything agroes. I found a room with a throne and two blue flames on each side. For some reason the Elemental Crusaders and Rock Golems agroed on me if i staid there too long. I wasn't able to get all the way in because i kept getting jumped by rats and also dont have the lockpick skill. (found a locked grate at the end of a hall under some water) *grins*

Also, sure the rock golem's have a lot of hitpts but a good group of 40 to low 50s can take one out. We got one to half but then some one said "if you think you need to evac do it" and we evac'd cause our druid misunderstood. When we evac'd the golem was at half life, our wizzie was down thanks to a lag spike, but the rest of us all had full life but for our tank. But to fight two of them without an enchanter would be a nightmere unless you had higher levels or more numbers. It's hard to find any one to go into The Hole with you.. hehe.

PS: any one on Veeshan... I apologize for the many halfling corpses of my friend and i on the way to the hole and in the hole. *smirks* HAPPY EXPLORING!

After hearing rumors that minions of Brell Sirilis may walk unhindered here, I went... at level 7, my reborn enchanter entered the hole with ease. The four elemental warriors right up front conned glowering, but most beyond this point conned threatening. However, carrying only a few foods and waters, i ventured forth and discovered that the KOS elementals (some also warriors, but also crusaders and channelers) simply hated me, but though better of attacking me. Perhaps they were envious of my god's approval (hehe.) I passed them with ease, and drew further in. I came upon a place where I needed a key to enter, but in going down the the ground far below, found entryways into the same building this locked door led to. I wasn't in the building long, though, as I ended up in tunnels deep below ground. Once this area opened up, I saw my first ratman and my first flighty fiend. Assuming perhaps a similiar treatment, I ventured forth and was quickly aggroed upon by both the fiend and the ratman. I died rather swiftly. Also, the rather stationary rock/stone golems strewn about the place were also Glowering. Being 7th season and all, I couldn't see what was about, but I may attempt some day to visit the establishment for a fine coating of loam (which no one can say wouldn't be useful at such a young and tender age.)

Well.. :) you take 10000 points of damage hitting the bottom of the hole

I've killed dozens of these guys, and I think they are acutally pretty easy for their level range 48-52, way easier than reavers, some giants, planar mobs, etc. They can crush casters with double 139s, sure, but against even a modestly armored tank they tickle them. Killed them all night with a 46th level ranger as our only tank, being supported by one 47th enchanter and one 51st level cleric.

I know this is one of the only easier to break zones that is around lvl 50 and is not on kunark, but why is the loot so crappy? The weapons are all mediocre for the level they are dropped from, and loam encrusted is not very good, only for mages with so much mana they give up for a while on mana and int and improve their other stats.

ALso, can a good character get here? How do you sneak through Paineel?

Forgot to mention, the necro Lich spell makes them apprehensive to the elementals. The golems still scowl though, so this works for corpse retrievals as long as you don't go too deep. BTW I don't think illusion earth elemental works either.

Ones I saw with my little lvl 1 Cleric following around a group of about 24 lvl 55+ people :)

Elemental Warrior
Elemental Crusader
A Frightly (something, forgot the name, looks like a giant fire imp)
Rock Golem
Elemental Wizard
Elemental (something, forgot name, was in the castle, and it cast an AE spell that had a "you have been struck by gusts of wind" or something to that effect)

I should've written them all down, but the hardest enemies were - by far - the rock golems, takes a VERY good group of 55+ or 2 or more groups of 50+ to take one down, hit pretty hard (most I saw was 145). Pathing seems to be fairly decent here, but watch out for the tower (ramp leads up to it once you hit the open area), everything inside agro'ed for some odd readon. Also, Enchanters, Rogues, and Necros are a MUST here, along with anything that can evac. I saw a group of 10 or so pull 2 rock golems and about 3 elementals, and thanks to the enchanters they survived, keeping everything mez'ed but one golem - fighting 2 of these is suicide unless you have the numbers. Corpse retrieval is very hard unless you're an Enchanter or Rogue (the very beginning of the zone is safe, and Necros can summon corpses there without being jumped). Also - Illusion : Elemental I BELIEVE makes you non-KOS here, so go to Cazic and pick up some potions. Also, worshippers of Brell Serilis (spelling?) are not KOS here initially (faction of MinionsOfUnderfoot goes down per kill).