While this is the best root you can get at lvl 70, it is not always reliable with higher level mobs. I have killed many 100s of efreetis (73 - 75)in Jewel while pling alts and while it is rarely resisted, mobs break root early very frequently, sometimes as soon as it is cast. When you have kiting room it is generally not a problem, but in tight quarters like fighting in the pyramids of Jewel, along with its short range it can be risky. I have also used this with the skeletons in LP (77 - 79) with a little better results, and given the large kitting area have not had any problems.
You are better off however getting Vinelash Cascade II (III would be better but Sony has an irritating habit of defining rk III spells that no one can find). It has a shorter duration but is generally reliable against higher level mobs.
Maybe we will get a serious root in next expansion, although what we have is serviceable if you use them carefully.
Edited, Aug 16th 2008 1:38pm by RFHarris
Elddar's Grasp
| Quick FactsScroll:Spell: Elddar's Grasp Spell: Elddar's Grasp
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The thing all these posts have overlooked is that this spell come with a knockback effect that is even aimable to a lesser degree. This spell is very hard for mobs to resist and it holds very well, in fact I cannot think of a time where it broke before it's duration wore off.
A great example of where this spell really comes in handy is the DPoB Devlin Rochester event. Usually 1 or 2 rangers will be in charge of locking down the unmezzable red skeletons that spawn 1/2 way thru the fight. The knockback is great at keeping them away from the clerics and rez camp, and keeps them glued in their corner. The fact that it doesnt break right after you cast it is not only helpful, but will prevent the raid from a wipe. If you really think the lower level roots are better than Eldarr's Grasp - please, try them on the Devlin event and find out for yourself.
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples where this root is clearly supperior, but that's the one I have the most experience with. While in some situations it may benifit you to use a lower level root, this root is irreplaceable in others.
A great example of where this spell really comes in handy is the DPoB Devlin Rochester event. Usually 1 or 2 rangers will be in charge of locking down the unmezzable red skeletons that spawn 1/2 way thru the fight. The knockback is great at keeping them away from the clerics and rez camp, and keeps them glued in their corner. The fact that it doesnt break right after you cast it is not only helpful, but will prevent the raid from a wipe. If you really think the lower level roots are better than Eldarr's Grasp - please, try them on the Devlin event and find out for yourself.
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples where this root is clearly supperior, but that's the one I have the most experience with. While in some situations it may benifit you to use a lower level root, this root is irreplaceable in others.
I ran a few tests on our ranger roots, and made a few notes that I hope will be useful.
Please note that hybrids get innate spell haste for detrimental spells with a cast time of 3 seconds or more. In otherwords:
1. Earthen Roots has a 1.75 cast time, and we cast it in 1.75 seconds.
2. Elddar's Grasp has a 3 cast time, but we cast it in just 1.6 seconds.
1. Elddar's Grasp is is overwritten by Vinelash Cascade II.
2. Vinelash Cascade II is overwritten by Elddar's Grasp.
3. Elddar's Grasp knocks back a mob exactly twice the distance of Vinelash Cascade II.
1. Every time Vinelash Cascade II landed on him, his cast was interrupted.
2. All but one time Elddar's Grasp landed on him, his cast was interrupted.
3. He resisted Vinelash Cascade II and Elddar's Grasp every time when his resists were all around 400
4. He resisted about 40% of both casts when his resists were around 250.
Even though Elddar's Grasp has twice the knockback, it didn't seem any more successful in interrupting casts then the knockback of Vinelash Cascade. However both were very good at interrupting spells when they landed.
1. Vinelash Cascade them all.
2. Elddar's Grasp one
3. Entrap it while the refresh timer is ticking
4. Elddar's Grasp the next.
5. Entrap it, etc.
If a mob breaks roots, use Earthen Roots to quickie root it, and overwrite with Elddar's Grasp to knock it back to the rest of the mobs.
2. When resist rate, the knockback, or spell interrupting is important, I will cast Elddar's Grasp.
3. When a mob absolutely must stay rooted, I will alternate casting one after the other.
I keep Earthen Roots, Elddar's Grasp, and Vinelash Cascade II perminently memmed in my spell list.
*Update* Vinelash Cascade and Elddar's Grasp both do now overwrite eachother. Up until a month or so ago Elddar's Grasp overwrote Vinelash Cascade but not vica versa.
Edited, Apr 10th 2009 2:07am by dafdaf
Please note that hybrids get innate spell haste for detrimental spells with a cast time of 3 seconds or more. In otherwords:
1. Earthen Roots has a 1.75 cast time, and we cast it in 1.75 seconds.
2. Elddar's Grasp has a 3 cast time, but we cast it in just 1.6 seconds.
- Knockback Test
1. Elddar's Grasp is is overwritten by Vinelash Cascade II.
2. Vinelash Cascade II is overwritten by Elddar's Grasp.
3. Elddar's Grasp knocks back a mob exactly twice the distance of Vinelash Cascade II.
- Knockback Spell Interruption Test
1. Every time Vinelash Cascade II landed on him, his cast was interrupted.
2. All but one time Elddar's Grasp landed on him, his cast was interrupted.
3. He resisted Vinelash Cascade II and Elddar's Grasp every time when his resists were all around 400
4. He resisted about 40% of both casts when his resists were around 250.
Even though Elddar's Grasp has twice the knockback, it didn't seem any more successful in interrupting casts then the knockback of Vinelash Cascade. However both were very good at interrupting spells when they landed.
- Roots As Crowd Control:
1. Vinelash Cascade them all.
2. Elddar's Grasp one
3. Entrap it while the refresh timer is ticking
4. Elddar's Grasp the next.
5. Entrap it, etc.
If a mob breaks roots, use Earthen Roots to quickie root it, and overwrite with Elddar's Grasp to knock it back to the rest of the mobs.
- Summary
2. When resist rate, the knockback, or spell interrupting is important, I will cast Elddar's Grasp.
3. When a mob absolutely must stay rooted, I will alternate casting one after the other.
I keep Earthen Roots, Elddar's Grasp, and Vinelash Cascade II perminently memmed in my spell list.
*Update* Vinelash Cascade and Elddar's Grasp both do now overwrite eachother. Up until a month or so ago Elddar's Grasp overwrote Vinelash Cascade but not vica versa.
Edited, Apr 10th 2009 2:07am by dafdaf
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Got this today with the release of the 7 yr anniversary patch. Tried it out while soloing in Kod'Taz. So far, I'm not impressed.
It was still getting resisted a lot, which can be a bit of a pain. I was hoping it's "very hard to resist quality" was going to help out.
What really sucks about this is:
1 - Range is greatly reduced, from 200 with old roots to 100. Effectively, you are well within harms way when you start to cast.
2 - Cast time, 3.0 seconds instead of 1.75. So,now you not only have to be closer to the mob, but once you start casting it's going to take longer to cast. ie lots of time for the mob to notice you and send you back to bind. : (
3 - Mana, up to 180. Still not a lot, but that's a big jump compared to the other root and snare spells.
Its one redeeming quality... at least it doesn't do damage when it does land. ie. Chanter friendly!
Oh, btw, I tried out the 60 and 63 roots as well, using same mobs I had been hunting for the past couple weeks (damn Ixt tongue!) It was probably my imagination, but it seemed as if they were getting resisted a lot more than they were before the patch.
All-in-all, while an improved root spell could have been beneficial, I know a good number of us would have preferred an improved dot and/or an improved harmony. Thanks for listening yet again SOE.
Pinaddarr, on Saryrn. Member of Collective Assault.
Edited, Wed Mar 15 18:20:35 2006
It was still getting resisted a lot, which can be a bit of a pain. I was hoping it's "very hard to resist quality" was going to help out.
What really sucks about this is:
1 - Range is greatly reduced, from 200 with old roots to 100. Effectively, you are well within harms way when you start to cast.
2 - Cast time, 3.0 seconds instead of 1.75. So,now you not only have to be closer to the mob, but once you start casting it's going to take longer to cast. ie lots of time for the mob to notice you and send you back to bind. : (
3 - Mana, up to 180. Still not a lot, but that's a big jump compared to the other root and snare spells.
Its one redeeming quality... at least it doesn't do damage when it does land. ie. Chanter friendly!
Oh, btw, I tried out the 60 and 63 roots as well, using same mobs I had been hunting for the past couple weeks (damn Ixt tongue!) It was probably my imagination, but it seemed as if they were getting resisted a lot more than they were before the patch.
All-in-all, while an improved root spell could have been beneficial, I know a good number of us would have preferred an improved dot and/or an improved harmony. Thanks for listening yet again SOE.
Pinaddarr, on Saryrn. Member of Collective Assault.
Edited, Wed Mar 15 18:20:35 2006
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its better that spell has a 3.0sec cast time then gives us the hybid bonus Detrimental spells of 3sec or more making the spell a 1.6 cast time for rangers where all other class fastest root is 1.8 that I know of
Our old one (Earthen Roots) was a 1.75 second cast time with a 2 second recast, compared to Elddar's Grasp's 3 and 6 seconds. That means it'd take us 12 seconds to cast Elddar's Grasp, be resisted and cast again (2 attempts). In 13 seconds, we could have cast and recast Earthen Roots 4 times! (I have ignored the hybrid reduced delay time since it effects both spells at the same %).
In times where a mob absolutely must be rooted first time, this spell is very useful. In times where the mob needs to be rooted and kept rooted, then it'd be useful to have this and Earthen Roots up, allowing us to fill the recast time of Elddar's Grasp up with Earthen Roots attempts (which happens to work pretty well - one fail of Earthen Roots, recast timer, and a second attempt). For casual rooting such as emergencies (mob heading somewhere it shouldn't and you need to stop it), ranged soloing, crowd control, I think I'm always going to prefer the shorter timers of Earthen Roots. One thing I want to stress though is that root spells are like stuns in the sense that you do benefit from having a few that you can use in conjunction.
In times where a mob absolutely must be rooted first time, this spell is very useful. In times where the mob needs to be rooted and kept rooted, then it'd be useful to have this and Earthen Roots up, allowing us to fill the recast time of Elddar's Grasp up with Earthen Roots attempts (which happens to work pretty well - one fail of Earthen Roots, recast timer, and a second attempt). For casual rooting such as emergencies (mob heading somewhere it shouldn't and you need to stop it), ranged soloing, crowd control, I think I'm always going to prefer the shorter timers of Earthen Roots. One thing I want to stress though is that root spells are like stuns in the sense that you do benefit from having a few that you can use in conjunction.
Obtained after completion of the Skylance arc of missions. This arc is received from Ao in Arcstone. They just fixed it so that Ao will hand out the spell after the arc is done. If you have already finished the arc all you have to do is hail Ao to receive the spell.
As the spell info points out it is a single target root with a 1minute duration and a chromatic(-30) resist check.
As the spell info points out it is a single target root with a 1minute duration and a chromatic(-30) resist check.
3 posts
how do u get this spell what PoR is needed.
Oo guess were checking out a new better root for us and hopfully no damage so when we head to time we can keep a nice long root vz
Scholar
19 posts
Could this be a new "Trap " spell or skill from PoR mission? If so where can thia mission be found or /and started?.. more info plz...=-)
Edited, Wed Mar 1 16:28:46 2006
Edited, Wed Mar 1 16:28:46 2006
Caltrops were also used in feudal Japan by ninja. It does sound more like a rogue ability to me, but im guessing it will be a AE dmg/snare that you place in an area like priests wards.
Tal,
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Caltrops were used to put in front of infantry-in particular in front of the archers to keep calvary from overrunning them-they were made kinda like the jacks lil girls use to play except sharpened points-often just wire twisted together. Kind of a medival pungi stick. 5 points so that 4 were down and 1 pointed up. Any way you throw them there is a sparp point up. I suspect it might be sort of a autoroot or aggro loser if the mob gets too close.
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4 posts
Maybe its a trap.
They were talking about setting up
traps for mobs and like Kwixx said
they were used to flatten the tires
of vehicles. so cast the spell watch
the mob run through it and they get
snared or something
They were talking about setting up
traps for mobs and like Kwixx said
they were used to flatten the tires
of vehicles. so cast the spell watch
the mob run through it and they get
snared or something
If this is something to stop mobs from following us this could be awesome.
<crosses fingers>
Except the cast time is a little long for that. Wonder what they're planning for it.
Guess it could be like a ward. I'm rooting for the losing aggro idea though.
Edited, Tue Jan 31 05:09:58 2006
<crosses fingers>
Except the cast time is a little long for that. Wonder what they're planning for it.
Guess it could be like a ward. I'm rooting for the losing aggro idea though.
Edited, Tue Jan 31 05:09:58 2006
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jan 25 2006 at 1:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Looks like this is a new beta spell for Prophecy of Ro. I suspect it falls under the new category of player-set traps. Hope this clears at least something up for y'all.
Not sure what they have in mind for this. However Caltrops are a spike dropped on the ground ment for someone to step on, Or if you use to watch the A-Team in the 80's it was used to flatten tires of vehicles. sounds more like a Rogue-esq item to use...and self only, Unresistable?? um...hope these arent your "typical" Caltrops
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what is this in beta for expansion? or is it new as ranger 70 Dod spell?
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