There is a bard song, somewhere in the mid 40's, called Katta Song of Sword Dancing. The song raises most fighter's dex to max. It affects the bard's entire group.
Further, any melee affected by the buff has a chance to have a proc vs. the mob being attacked and the proc strips the attacked mob's dex. This is separate from any proc that their weapon might effect - you can get both procs on a single hit, rarely.
Most high level bards have it but they don't play it as part of their melee mix - my standard melee mix is (in a group) haste, more haste, and snare/slow. If there is a snarer and a slower, this might be next. Or a rune or DS might be right. The bard haste songs come in a bunch of different flavors - 45% pure haste, or 15% haste and a DS and buffs. There are tons of choices - and if there is a chanter or other haster in the group the 45% song is not the one to play.
(In a raid, I play raid regen, raid resist, and 25% overhaste for the melees in my group - if I want to try a 4 twist, this might be the fourth.)
But if you have something that procs well, and you are not already 255 dex, talk to your friendly bard. That dex buff might well be what you need to hold aggro if you are a MT. Or it might allow you to plan on 4-6 procs per fight as opposed to one or two maybe - and that might be 10-15% of the mob's health, which becomes significant.
Now, especially if you have a slower and a snarer and someone to haste the group, the bard might be happy to put this song in the mix, as it will likely result in more DPS than, say, a poision dot.
Ward of Nife
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Try getting a Chanter to keep Boon of Garau (sp?) on you or the upgrade (Night's Dark Terror?). Boon provides +100dex, and Night's gives +120dex. On top of this, they both provide a LifeTap proc (Not impressive at 35HP, but, hey, its just an added bonus). After that, Haste up, I'd get a Shammy to add the rest of the Dex (saves a Bard's sanity to not have to twist an extra song).
Still, good point the Bard song works quite well!
Still, good point the Bard song works quite well!
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Here's my out look on this spell ; it's a crappy upgrade but I tear up undead anyways so a lil damage could never hurt ! It takes 2 tanks to do about the same damage as me on Undead ! I have a Dex of 195 & i can't tell you how much this procs for me & i have a Longblade of Vitality ( 26/25 ).
I also Have Slay undead AA ability . So my Point is even though this is a crappy upgrade , you should still be the man/woman when it comes to Undead ! & When it comes to LDoN adventures I'm always stuck being the puller & MT no matter what class is in the Group ! I have more AC & Hp's & Have a High Damage output (even when NOT undead) Than most melee's at my lvl or close to !
Sir ZFerg Battousai
59 Knight (Erudite) !
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=218172
I also Have Slay undead AA ability . So my Point is even though this is a crappy upgrade , you should still be the man/woman when it comes to Undead ! & When it comes to LDoN adventures I'm always stuck being the puller & MT no matter what class is in the Group ! I have more AC & Hp's & Have a High Damage output (even when NOT undead) Than most melee's at my lvl or close to !
Sir ZFerg Battousai
59 Knight (Erudite) !
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=218172
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BTW your full of crap on your Magelo if any Paladin saw that you have your Holy Steed he would know you also have to have more than 17 AA's. That ability is for anyone with 23aa's + 6 for General 12 for Archtype and 5 for Holysteed its self in Class thats a total of 23 not 17. Too boot im sorry if i could id rather have a warrior tank than me anyways but i would never say im better than anyone else.
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Maybe you just need to update your Magelo. If it is current then how can a level 59 Paladin with only 12 AA's have "Slay Undead" AA or even use this spell as it's suggested in your post. For that matter even have the title "Sir" in front of his name. Like I said maybe your Magelo isn't updated is all. But yes proc should be higher to enable Paladins to stay on top of the undead mobs where we should be.
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Inconsistant to say the least
49 Divine might proc 63 upgrade: 65 to 150 130%
54 Undead DD 62 upgrade: 273 to 651 138%
39 Undead proc 62 upgrade?: 243 to 300 28%
This proc should have been at least a 100% increase, consistant with the other lines to 486.
Note that this is a level 62 spell, not a level 65 spell, not a AA increase. Lets not mix apples and oranges here. At level 62, pally dps still sux. Proper upgrade of this spell would have made us more group friendly. No, it wont save us, but it would have helped.
49 Divine might proc 63 upgrade: 65 to 150 130%
54 Undead DD 62 upgrade: 273 to 651 138%
39 Undead proc 62 upgrade?: 243 to 300 28%
This proc should have been at least a 100% increase, consistant with the other lines to 486.
Note that this is a level 62 spell, not a level 65 spell, not a AA increase. Lets not mix apples and oranges here. At level 62, pally dps still sux. Proper upgrade of this spell would have made us more group friendly. No, it wont save us, but it would have helped.
I have to agree with this, especially since you put in terms of numbers... A spell that you have to wait 23 levels to upgrade (versus 14 for DM and 8 for DD undead) should be slightly better than a 33% increase, but oh well.
49 posts
As a 54th level Paladin I must say I'm disappointed with this. If it was say a proc of 400 or 450 it would make sense to buy. Somebody said something about the game getting harder to take one-on-one....and you're right. But since when is that reflected in you getting **** poor spells? From what I understood, that's why PoP mobs have so many HPs. A Pali with a proc of 450 STILL couldn't solo an undead planar mob, but would be much more useful in a group. Just my ideas from playing a Pali for so long.
49 posts
As a 54th level Paladin I must say I'm disappointed with this. If it was say a proc of 400 or 450 it would make sense to buy. Somebody said something about the game getting harder to take one-on-one....and you're right. But since when is that reflected in you getting **** poor spells? From what I understood, that's why PoP mobs have so many HPs. A Pali with a proc of 450 STILL couldn't solo an undead planar mob, but would be much more useful in a group. Just my ideas from playing a Pali for so long.
2 posts
this is stupid a level 39 one procs for 243 and the level 62 one procs for only 300, a huge level diff and it only procs for 57 more points, Woopde Do.
7 posts
Dammmmmmmmm!!!! 
Instrument of Nife at lvl 30 do 243dd max!
And you tell me, at lvl 65, the proc vs undead is 300dd max!!!!!
At this lvl, the undead are very strong and the paly is like a moustiquos trying to bite it!!!
Oulalala!!! Vade Retro!
Paly looks gay now infront of the undead.
Edited, Tue May 20 09:01:47 2003
Instrument of Nife at lvl 30 do 243dd max!
And you tell me, at lvl 65, the proc vs undead is 300dd max!!!!!
At this lvl, the undead are very strong and the paly is like a moustiquos trying to bite it!!!
Oulalala!!! Vade Retro!
Paly looks gay now infront of the undead.
Edited, Tue May 20 09:01:47 2003
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yes but this is UNRESISTABLE. and if you think a proc is gonna save your but you are sadly mistaken
This spell is "UNRESISTABLE" because you do not resist the spell when you cast it on yourself, the proc however can be resisted.
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Sorry bro, but the spell lvl 39 said the same thing, UNRESISTABLE... and sometimes, the mob RESIST the proc... And I dont think the proc will save my but, but if you are a player of AD&D, you maybe know paly have an inate power for undead. The message I try to say about the spell lvl 62 is why it exist??? For some little more damage, it's ridiculous. I'm remember when I've got my lvl 39, I was strong vs undead, and it was cool, now at lvl 62... nothing to say!
What kind of ungodly damage would be more appropriate for this level? I'm sure you've noticed that the high end game gets harder and harder to match mobs one on one no (meaning grouping or better solo tactics/gear continually are required). I think this is a nice touch up to the instrument and am glad anytime I can do more damage (even if just a small bit more). Throw this in with spell casting fury and the huge amount more dex that you should have as compared to level 39 and it will output a lot more damage than 243 once a fight, I promise
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I agree with Jonny..the spell SHOULD reflect the level of the spell and the difference in levels from ward of nife...300 hp dd against any mob near level 60 is like pissing in the ocean...and for that level it is a big disapointment!!
how bout we say pissing in a small pond? /agreed then. But you have slay undead? So that's like dumping buckets of **** in this lil pond. Then you also have the dex/haste to proc like mad so we'll say your pissing really hard too. SCF and you get some nice eye candy crits (I reiterate, sorry). Add it all up and no your not going to yellow the water alone, but get some folks together to dry the pond a bit as you go (the kind of folks that are expected to do the real damage) and you're "golden".
Sure it isn't a "huge" upgrade, but is anything at this point? Small touch ups to your buffs, slightly more efficient healing, little bit better offense thourgh AA's etc, so sure it's just another drop in the bucket but it all adds up no?
Sure it isn't a "huge" upgrade, but is anything at this point? Small touch ups to your buffs, slightly more efficient healing, little bit better offense thourgh AA's etc, so sure it's just another drop in the bucket but it all adds up no?
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Aye, maybe w/ all that pissing and what not u might do it, but its sad when every other class, even warriors and rogs who dont even have magic, have better DDs, dots, and heals then a pally, ive worked my butt off and still im the one waiting on others, put in the back, no im sorry but they need to make some pally spells that are worth getting. proc should be more like 450 to 500, and better undead DDs. EQ has put pallies at the bottom of the pond w/ that ****, it needs somthing new, so i agree, the spell is crap.
Baron Newbon Kneechopper
61 pally of brell
bristlebane 1017 server
Baron Newbon Kneechopper
61 pally of brell
bristlebane 1017 server
243 once per fight eh? Your dex must have been way low. With my dex at 131 I get on average 3 per fight, has been as high as 6 procs in a fight. Now that is only counting a normal fight, I am not counting light blues that only take 3 or 4 hits to kill anyways.
That depends, I run a 255 dex almost constantly (easy with shamy buffs or garou) and still only get about one rodcet on average a fight (full group dropping say Highborns in veksar in 45-70 seconds a piece). Sure I'll proc a good pile more than that taking down a DB in 4 minutes. Actually this is in line with what the truly max dex palys say about procs in general, that they go off about ever 45 seconds on average.
I'm not just running off at the mouth here, I have parsed a good 30 hours and the rodcets are just a few lower in number than the total number of mobs killed (this balanced though by the fact that 10% of the mobs may have been live and 10% of the time someone forgot to keep my dex up)
I'm not just running off at the mouth here, I have parsed a good 30 hours and the rodcets are just a few lower in number than the total number of mobs killed (this balanced though by the fact that 10% of the mobs may have been live and 10% of the time someone forgot to keep my dex up)
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WardOfNifeEffect
Classes:
None
Description:
1: Decrease Hitpoints by 44 (L1) to 300 (L65)
Details: Raw spell data
Spell Type: Detrimental Skill: Innate
Mana: 0 Target Type: Undead
Casting Time: Instant Duration: Instant
Recast Time: 0 Resist: Magic (0)
Fizzle Time: 0.00 Range to target: 100
AE Radius: 0 Interruptable: No
Location: Any Time of Day: Any
Messages:
Cast on other: Soandso staggers.
Classes:
None
Description:
1: Decrease Hitpoints by 44 (L1) to 300 (L65)
Details: Raw spell data
Spell Type: Detrimental Skill: Innate
Mana: 0 Target Type: Undead
Casting Time: Instant Duration: Instant
Recast Time: 0 Resist: Magic (0)
Fizzle Time: 0.00 Range to target: 100
AE Radius: 0 Interruptable: No
Location: Any Time of Day: Any
Messages:
Cast on other: Soandso staggers.
7 posts
How much damage do procuration on undead?
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