the amount of aggro you have on you, coupled with the difficulty of the mobs has a large impact on when you fall to the ground.
there is still a "random" failure chance that was added to make it seem less specific, but the truth of the matter is that you programmatically have a higher chance to fall to the ground on an FD when you have a lot of aggro on you that can kill you.
i tested this by adding a voice trigger to the "fallen" sound. outside of the random times when it fails (not in combat type failures), the only time i heard it was when i had a massive train of darkblue+ on me. while it doesn't always fail, your chances programatically skyrocket.
if you add your own voice trigger to it, you will see just how accurate my statements are. the problem is, "fallen" should be random. it in now way is. that is not what i call balance. these programmers are f*cking idiots.
Edited, Feb 2nd 2008 1:40pm by TooCrooked
Death Peace
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You can mem multiple Feign Deaths (e.g. Comatose, Feign Death) at the same as Death Peace if you feel your first FD has a high probability of failing due persistant, irritating casters putting the wammy on you.
Difference though, is that the recast times come into effect.
With multi FD's, like fd, comotose, and clicky fd's (blood ember legs or quest mask) , having multiples help because of recast times.
Deathpeace however, has a quicker recast, so it's not as useful to have multiples.
Once you get the hotkeyed deathpeace, you won't need multiples ever again.
With multi FD's, like fd, comotose, and clicky fd's (blood ember legs or quest mask) , having multiples help because of recast times.
Deathpeace however, has a quicker recast, so it's not as useful to have multiples.
Once you get the hotkeyed deathpeace, you won't need multiples ever again.
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What the subject says.
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I have used all forms of feign dead since I got my first one. Yeah the first Fd spell sucks and I died many times thinking I was safe when in fact I was not. But for everytime it killed me, I cant count the times it saved my ***** USing FD from early on also taught me how to play my necro and do things like splitting and single pulling mobs etc. I agree with the previous poster, if you dont use Feign deadregarless of which level you have, then you do not know how to play your class and are infact crippling yourself. Stop being lazy and a coward and learn to play!. Oh yeah, and for the ediot (no offence) that thinks running on his horse is better than Fd, you need to re think your position. Not only does it make you look like a gimp *** necro but you will also end of training people like the noob you are, LOL
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38 posts
Grr... hit "Post" button twice on accident. Sorry about that.
Edited, Sat Feb 26 22:02:18 2005
Edited, Sat Feb 26 22:02:18 2005
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38 posts
Of course this forum is about the spell but I figured maybe some of those looking into the spell might wonder about the AA.
1) It doesn't require any mana. (obviously) So, if you are 100% OOM, you can still FD.
2) Same cast time, same recast time. Also shares the same recast timer. So memming Death Peace as a back up to a failed Death Peace AA isn't going to work.
3) You can cast this before your "book" has refreshed. I.e., as soon as you are done casting one spell, you can cast this. Much like a clicky.
4) Seems to have about the same failure rate as Death Peace, in my experience. (VERY RARELY FAILS)
5) Absolutely, positively, WILL NOT FIZZLE. NEVER EVER.
6) For those necros out there who have FD perma-memmed, like me, you basically gain a spell gem. (So now I perma-memm my new pet haste)
Though the AA pretty much does the same thing as the spell, I have found it to be very useful and well worth the AA points to get it. A few of the advantages the AA has over the spell make it feel like an upgrade to me.
1) It doesn't require any mana. (obviously) So, if you are 100% OOM, you can still FD.
2) Same cast time, same recast time. Also shares the same recast timer. So memming Death Peace as a back up to a failed Death Peace AA isn't going to work.
3) You can cast this before your "book" has refreshed. I.e., as soon as you are done casting one spell, you can cast this. Much like a clicky.
4) Seems to have about the same failure rate as Death Peace, in my experience. (VERY RARELY FAILS)
5) Absolutely, positively, WILL NOT FIZZLE. NEVER EVER.
6) For those necros out there who have FD perma-memmed, like me, you basically gain a spell gem. (So now I perma-memm my new pet haste)
Though the AA pretty much does the same thing as the spell, I have found it to be very useful and well worth the AA points to get it. A few of the advantages the AA has over the spell make it feel like an upgrade to me.
33 posts
I probably use feign death 20 times a day especially if I am being stupid and trying to charm those little undead buggers in natimbi. I might fail once in every two to three days. my failure rate dosnt bother me at all except that I fail so seldom that I dont bother to notice right away that it failed, I am usually surprised lol.
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Variat 56th Necro on Brell
17 posts
abjuration was 192 last time i saw it go up, int is 276 or something. being at level 65 now it dosent fizzle AS MUCH but I still get the cool 3-4 fizzles in a row pretty often before it casts, which isnt good because ive been hunting in Vxed a lot now and those 3-4 fizzles cost me my life a lot and its really annoying
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38 posts
Dude, it's not the spell. It is your abysmal abjuration skill.
Spend a little bit of time in PoK or something casting a low level abj. based spell and MAX your Abjuration skill. You should've done that a long time ago. Don't blame the spell because it is NOT the spell, it is NOT something that SOE did, and it is NOT anything other than the fact that your abjuration skill is way below where it should be to cast this spell.
While you are at it you should max those other spell skills that may not be up to snuff.
Spend a little bit of time in PoK or something casting a low level abj. based spell and MAX your Abjuration skill. You should've done that a long time ago. Don't blame the spell because it is NOT the spell, it is NOT something that SOE did, and it is NOT anything other than the fact that your abjuration skill is way below where it should be to cast this spell.
While you are at it you should max those other spell skills that may not be up to snuff.
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Hmm, lotta fizzles, what's your abjuration skill at and your intelligence? (as int. has to do /w fizzles)
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38 posts
Skill, specialization and Spell Casting Mastery AA have to do with fizzles. Int has to do with mana pool and the rate at which you will learn your spell skills, etc.
It's been common knowledge since 1999 that the caster's primary stat, Int or Wis, affects fizzle rates. As of 2009, the character creation screen now overtly acknowledges this when you click on the relevant stat, removing any possible doubt.
I just wanted to clarify, in case someone, someday happened to see this and get the wrong idea.
I just wanted to clarify, in case someone, someday happened to see this and get the wrong idea.
17 posts
wow ive had this spell since I turned 60 im 20% from 63 now and this spell has a HORRIBLE fizzle rate, i use it daily so its not like its the "new spell" kind of fizzles that you get when you cast a new spell for the first time. i would say i have about a 20 % chance of casting this spell with no fizzles, the other 80% of the time i cast this spell i get anywhere from three to EIGHT fizzles before it works. ive died numerous times trying to FD split mobs and having it fizzle eight or so times, and its getting really annoying now. does anyone else have any FIZZLE problems with this spell? not failures btw, i mean fizzles
I did a little experiment using all the FD spells (Feign Death, Comatose, and Death Peace)
NOT counting fizzles these were the fail rates:
Feign Death - 23 out of 100
Comatose - 16 out of 100
Death Peace - 4 out of 100
Just guessing I'd say the real number for failure are:
Feign Death - 20 or 25%
Comatose - 15%
Death Peace - 5%
It would seem the fail rate decreases by 10% each spell upgrade. Hope this experiment was helpful.
NOT counting fizzles these were the fail rates:
Feign Death - 23 out of 100
Comatose - 16 out of 100
Death Peace - 4 out of 100
Just guessing I'd say the real number for failure are:
Feign Death - 20 or 25%
Comatose - 15%
Death Peace - 5%
It would seem the fail rate decreases by 10% each spell upgrade. Hope this experiment was helpful.
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Ok...On the merits and flaws of FD(obviously the spell and not the ability) and Its various upgrades.I discovered the wonders of FD at about level 21...before then I hadn't Needed it.
It and the various upgrades to it have saved both my life....and after hitting late 50's,My entire Raid's life.Why? because lets face it...We necros get ALOT of aggro.The pet/DD/DoT's that we have equal a incredible amount of damage...and unless your Tanks are really on the ball,They are gonna lose aggro.The rest of the casters all have something to deal with aggro reducing...Necros have FD/Comatose/Death peace so we can Burn the heck out of a mob,have 5 Dot's on it and when it summons us...Pop FD(or higher version) and stand up and back away two seconds later with no problems.Yes...FD(and upgrades) Fizzle and fail occasionally.But if yer playing it smart....you should have enough hitpoints to handle getting pounded on for the recast time.Another thing that I have done a time or two,most recently on a Grummus Raid (thanks Bobbette by the way) is we killed Grummus,hailed the Planar projection and all was happy till room respawned on us,8 mobs running rampant when we were still ressing from battle.after watching 60 freshly revived people die again,I hit Comatose.(didnt have DP at the time but should have) But I was stuck there,with nothing but 3 rogues and 2 monks left alive.(rogues hit hide/sneak and monks hit FD) and I didnt have gate memmed...so with the new spell system I readied Gate...and then sat up/Memmed it and recast...All in the time it took the two mobs near me to aggro me and hit me twice.
Then....once Gate recast time expired I stood up and cast,waiting for one of the monks to make a break for the escape.(thanks to the unkown monk that died so i could live...sorry ya didnt make it)
Moral of the story:Always have FD or equivalent up....it will save you a long CR or sitting around being ogled in PoK more often than not
It and the various upgrades to it have saved both my life....and after hitting late 50's,My entire Raid's life.Why? because lets face it...We necros get ALOT of aggro.The pet/DD/DoT's that we have equal a incredible amount of damage...and unless your Tanks are really on the ball,They are gonna lose aggro.The rest of the casters all have something to deal with aggro reducing...Necros have FD/Comatose/Death peace so we can Burn the heck out of a mob,have 5 Dot's on it and when it summons us...Pop FD(or higher version) and stand up and back away two seconds later with no problems.Yes...FD(and upgrades) Fizzle and fail occasionally.But if yer playing it smart....you should have enough hitpoints to handle getting pounded on for the recast time.Another thing that I have done a time or two,most recently on a Grummus Raid (thanks Bobbette by the way) is we killed Grummus,hailed the Planar projection and all was happy till room respawned on us,8 mobs running rampant when we were still ressing from battle.after watching 60 freshly revived people die again,I hit Comatose.(didnt have DP at the time but should have) But I was stuck there,with nothing but 3 rogues and 2 monks left alive.(rogues hit hide/sneak and monks hit FD) and I didnt have gate memmed...so with the new spell system I readied Gate...and then sat up/Memmed it and recast...All in the time it took the two mobs near me to aggro me and hit me twice.
Then....once Gate recast time expired I stood up and cast,waiting for one of the monks to make a break for the escape.(thanks to the unkown monk that died so i could live...sorry ya didnt make it)
Moral of the story:Always have FD or equivalent up....it will save you a long CR or sitting around being ogled in PoK more often than not
Well, I am 61 now and find that DP is head and shoulders better than FD (the spell). It is very fast casting and has a much lower recast time than FD. It also has a much lower failure rate. I am very happy with this spell and use it all the time. It has saved my **** more times than I can count now and is great for making the pet take the agro on a pull.
Comatose is one of those spells you don't NEED because Death Peace is better and only 8 levels away. But Comatose will save your life because it's lower casting time, lower recast time, and lower fail rate. I'm so glad I did my comatose quest (Got 30% normal experience from completeing it too)
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I know this is an older post but wanted to voice an opinion anyways. I never like those "not needed spell" posts. For some people 8 levels might be an eternity. For me, I just did it to get closer to completing my spell book. But also, IMO the quest for Auspice/Comatose is one of the few quests I have done on my necro that was actually fun to do. The small story and the method of obtaining the actual Scroll for Comatose is just really interesting. Seeing as how the necro epic has probably the most retarded story of any epic, doing this quest was actually kind of fun for me.
IMHO ...
Comatose is not necessarily a "needed" spell
However it will help u lvl the 8 lvls u need to get DP ...
W/o it u would die a whole lot more.
ALL spells are not there because you "need" them (there's always a substitute). Spells are there because they are USEful (or more so) at those levels.
Comatose is not necessarily a "needed" spell
However it will help u lvl the 8 lvls u need to get DP ...
W/o it u would die a whole lot more.
ALL spells are not there because you "need" them (there's always a substitute). Spells are there because they are USEful (or more so) at those levels.
30 posts
i never used to keep FD up.. took too long to cast and failed more often than not. with this upgrade i have it up at all times, saves my behind more often than not. also makes me a much better puller, as when coupled with good throwing items i can FD off adds as well as any SK. too bad i cant take hits like one =P
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I don't understand how you guys can be failing FD all the time. I use it constantly and it hardly ever fails, and the recast time is so short that it doesn't really matter if it does fail.
I regularly FD after Loading up DoT's to break agro and prevent pulling the mob off the MT. think about the agro when you have Plague, E-Bolt, Splurt and CD all ticking away on the MoB. And FD lets you sit there and wait while the mob takes a few thousand points of damage (1100 for Ebolt, 2000 for Splurt, 1100+snare for Cascading and 1100 for Plague) without having to worry about getting beat on. If you fail, wait a few seconds and try again. If you started out the right way, you have a self rune on anyways, so you can take a hit or two. I never fail twice in a row. But then again, I make sure all my casting skills are maxed.
Bottom line is FD works, if you don't use it, you are only hurting yourself.
Edited, Tue Oct 28 09:44:19 2003
Bottom line is FD works, if you don't use it, you are only hurting yourself.
Edited, Tue Oct 28 09:44:19 2003
Makes 2 of us smoking then. I also haven't and typically dont put FD up because of it's massive failure rate. I would much rather stay on my horse (since I dont have jboots) and run if things turn sour than to FD and have the mob come up and start beating on me when now I am not even able to escape. I think I will get comatose though since it is a lower level to get and use and has a much lower failure rait than FD does.
Anyone who has both compare comatose and death peace?
Anyone who has both compare comatose and death peace?
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Posted: Nov 05 2003 at 11:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You got some issues if you dont use Fd. Yes it fails when you never use..Hint your skill levels um bad..Like me using 1hb and having skill 1 I don't expect to do lot of damage with no skill.. I am Shadowknight and i never leave home with out Fd it saved me uncountable times and I am the guild puller as well. Guild might not be must uber but we got good 30 65+ and 150 50+ so we not to bad off. We do HoV, Vendi, King tormax, Rumblecrush(hah i tanked an pulled no warriors on)<that was hard core>, doomshade. If you don't put the time into a skill it not going to work.. And if u necro u don't fd when u dot, in my raid i let it kill you before i taunt.. FOr being a Idiot
I use FD more now, but reg FD fails allot and it has nothing to do with the casting. You might hit the ground but the server check on it making or not is what matters. FD has about a 20% - 25% failure rate. This also doesnt have squat to do with um... skill. I think you got us and a monk mixed up. We didnt say fizzle.. we said failure; that is a server check and not based on any casting ability.
I also think you are confused about Feign Death and Death Peace. When I mentioned FD I was talking about the spell and not the ability. Comatose and Death Peace are much better spells than FD is.
Comatose has a much lower failure rate than FD (like 2% or less), and is much better if you have the resources (group) to go get the parts you need to do it. It is also faster casting than FD.
Death Peace however sounds like a good deal and already have it in the bank ready to scribe it when soon as I hit 60 (this week).
I also think you are confused about Feign Death and Death Peace. When I mentioned FD I was talking about the spell and not the ability. Comatose and Death Peace are much better spells than FD is.
Comatose has a much lower failure rate than FD (like 2% or less), and is much better if you have the resources (group) to go get the parts you need to do it. It is also faster casting than FD.
Death Peace however sounds like a good deal and already have it in the bank ready to scribe it when soon as I hit 60 (this week).
Just FYI, the mobs you have to kill to get comotose are not that difficult, they're around level 50. At the level you get the spell, you'd need a group, yeah... or a high level friend to help you out. Hunting in the last room before the end of the caves in dulak, I got all the components for the spell in a few hours, that's all it took. So definately get comotose, it's not a nightmarish camp or anything like that... drops are very common for it.
I invised ran all the way back and soloed them for the parts needed.Entering the last room I was on the right side of the stairs and single pulled from there.Got all -bile etc.. in about an hour.Gives great xp for quest too.
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If you dont have FD up all the time then you obviously don't know how to effectively play a necro. Soon when you get higher in level you will start to take aggro from your pet and after that you will take aggro from a whole raid of people. Without FD to move you to the bottom of the hate list from time to time, when you have 8 DOTs on a mob, you will be toast...quik. When soloing and you pull undead with slow, you sick pet and FD and then stand up and pet has aggro. When grouping and you have mezzed undead in LDON, do you wait for the warrior to taunt him a few times before breaking mez? no.. you FD he breaks you stand up and dont get hit at all. This all on top of the fact that it saves you when the crap hits the fan and your guild may need someone FD alive there to res a cleric. You obviously havent considered these uses and therefore are not a very good necro. But thats just my opinion, I've only played a necro for 4 years.
65 Arch Lich
Hadesborne Soulsifter
Saryrn
The War Council
65 Arch Lich
Hadesborne Soulsifter
Saryrn
The War Council
I repeat.. I said FD and not Death Peace! You guys think FD as in the effect of the spell and not in the spell itself. I GUARANTEE you dont use FD at 65 or you would be dead all the time from it. You use Death Peace.
Of course you would FD (effect) in a pull etc. I do it all the time in LDoN, but fortunately the mobs are still not high enough to smoke me in two hits when FD (the spell) fails the check. When I get Death Peace it will be all the difference in living and dying.
Edited, Tue Nov 18 09:37:36 2003
Of course you would FD (effect) in a pull etc. I do it all the time in LDoN, but fortunately the mobs are still not high enough to smoke me in two hits when FD (the spell) fails the check. When I get Death Peace it will be all the difference in living and dying.
Edited, Tue Nov 18 09:37:36 2003
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