The Human

race logoThe Human starts off in either Freeport or Qeynos/Surefall and has various options for where to go from there. What is the best strategy for playing a Human? What zones and cities should you take him to and which ones should you avoid? Which factions should you work on improving, and which factions should you be wary of decreasing? What are the best quests for the beginning Human? Where are the best shops? How should you role play your Human?

Post your strategies on how to best play a Human, and read, rate and comment on those posted by others.
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#REDACTED, Posted: Apr 02 2003 at 11:29 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i play a human paladin on sullon zek, im dead sexy
hmmm
# Mar 01 2003 at 9:57 PM Rating: Default
last few posts have just been dumb, after this post i hope to see something intresting/helpful...whatever...

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Come Join Me
# Feb 25 2003 at 1:33 AM Rating: Default
Let me tell you about an idea i had one day. I was running through Grater faydark and i had accedently attacked a nexus at the wizzy spires. Needless to say that i was killed Instantly. I was extreamly mad because i lost my exp. Through my hatered i studied the creature and i devised the most extravagant scheme ever. I was wondering if my fellow Citizens of norrath would aid me. Darkies and Lighties come together in a mass horde to take one down. "What's in it for me" a person might ask. Well i think that not only the feeling you get from uniting with all of the inhabitants of norrath to squash a common evil but a great possibilty of an uber pay off and Extream exp or maybe nothing just a cold hard defeat.I am not really sure if they drop anything or if they even give exp.They are most likely the least killed Npc in the game. I have heard of one or two being killed but to my knowlage no loot has ever been identified. There are only a couple of reasons why i have not been able to find the loot items either 1. The uber guild who took one down came up with an awsome item that they dont want to get nerfed because of 1000000 crying lowbies saying its too powerfull so they did not add it to new item lists 2. None of them have ever been killed 3. Normal Loot for lvl of mob 4. No loot :( Now i am not really sure yet of the master plan but i am thinking along the lines of a massive head on attack group attack at random with no aperant stratagey.A person could even make a mule char and lvl to 5 or 6 toe just for this battle.Toe to Toe with the Unchecked Evil of the world. Or i have got a more methodical aproach. Either way i could be just stupid or really tired but that is my idea and i am willing to set up shop on any server. e-mail me at massive_nexus_strike@YHAOO.COM if you have any ideas, you want to join (( lvl is of no importance 1-65 doesnt matter Class either warriors clerics shaman monks i am in need of warm bodies :) )) or you just want to flame about how stupid i am either way i will welcome your emails and i will try my very best to email you back .No matter what it says. More information on nexus is always welcome. E-mail me and give it a chance.



Happy hunting and good luck.

"When the horde comes there will be no escape" Ode to Nexus
RE: Come Join Me
# Feb 26 2004 at 4:30 AM Rating: Decent
Interesting, kindda dumb but still interesting, but you alone couldnt gather enough ppl to beat one, if anyones gonna beat them its gonna eb a high lvl uber guild. lvl1-6? what would be the point they wouldnt be able to hit it and theyd die in a hit, 60-65's and alot of them would be the only way and probably happens from time to time but for now, i would just leave it, and i even tho this post is old i jutfelt like replying to it

Raijin Silverarm
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#REDACTED, Posted: Feb 15 2003 at 5:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I would like to know what the best race would be.Any suggeastions would be nice thanks.
RE: best race
# Feb 15 2003 at 7:12 PM Rating: Excellent
What kind of dumb question is that? If there was only one best race, what's the point of having any other? Use your brain.
Humans as they are
# Jan 28 2003 at 6:05 PM Rating: Excellent
Right, the game is not only based on how powerful you may be able to get your character, but also the roleplaying aspect incorporated in the game. Many people choose to be ogre's and trolls because they want to be able to talk in the Troll and Ogre Dialect associated with the race. The same is for the Human race. I picked the Human race to start my warrior because I always invision myself as "the Human warrior mercenary who roams the lands causeing havoc or maintaining peace". The restrictions or benefits in skills should not motivate or detur (check spelling) anyone from chooseing their race, but should only be different based on what the fantasy world would have if the world of Norrath were acctually a real place. And yet it is in some aspects. I think this is what Verant was also trying to achieve in creating this game.

Yet, I could be way off. either way, it just makes sense to me.

Intricase
RE: Humans as they are
# Oct 13 2003 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
I aggree

I made a Gnome warrior just cause i wanted to...but other people say that it is the worst warrior race...lol i think its alot more fun than some of the other warriors ive played.. prolly jus cause its fun a gnome melee tanking all cb


jus my opinion
RE: Humans as they are
# Feb 02 2003 at 7:54 AM Rating: Default
err sorry bout spells just got up =/
RE: Humans as they are
# Feb 02 2003 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
spelling rather....
RE: Humans as they are
# Feb 02 2003 at 7:53 AM Rating: Excellent
i have something to sya about that ''the game is not only based on how powerful you may be able to get your character'' not really, but yeah a big part and almost everyones goal to reach the top, but the point of the game is to help each other (it was the main one too),i was told this along time ago and i think ppl just dont know it or have just forgotten it, ppl need imagination to play this game and i think many have just lot that now.
All Classes?
# Nov 18 2002 at 6:36 PM Rating: Default
Shamans- I have the EQ strategy guide made by prima, in it, it says that monks aren't witch doctors, BUT thats NOT true some humans ARE witch doctors
Beastlords- im thinking that humans CAN be beastlords because humans have pets in real life so why can't they have pets in the game?
Just my 2cp
RE: All Classes?
# Nov 25 2002 at 3:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Humans can be enchanters, magicians, bards, shadow knights and necromancers - all of which can have pets (via summoning or charm).

In EQ humans were meant to be a more 'culturally advanced' race. Barbarians, trolls,iksar, ogres and vha shir were considered to be more 'primitive' races. Since the shaman and beastlord are 'primitive' classes humans cannot be shaman or beastlords (unlike real life). Monks require a more sophisticated culture so humans can be monks.

This is based on feedback from Sony-EQ/Verant. I just repeat it. I don't plan it. Like it or not that is the pat answer.

Edited, Mon Nov 25 15:03:58 2002
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# Nov 12 2002 at 10:46 PM Rating: Default
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# Nov 12 2002 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
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trying something.

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# Nov 12 2002 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
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humans are just a chalenge that is why there fun
# Nov 03 2002 at 9:52 PM Rating: Default
ther just a chalenge
RE: humans are just a chalenge that is why there fun
# Nov 12 2002 at 10:49 PM Rating: Decent
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RE: humans are just a chalenge that is why there fun
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shut up
# Oct 25 2002 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
masticor have you played a human monk up to sixty (not saying i have)? If you havent then you cant compare how much better one is than the other
hmm..
# Oct 25 2002 at 6:57 AM Rating: Default
i dont really think humans should be the ones able to be the most classes :( i dont like to play humans at all :) i play the dark elf and wood elf and high elf is all i play :P i wanted the wood elf or darkelf to be able to be most classes :)
RE: hmm..
# Aug 26 2003 at 11:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Personal bias shouldn't effect class. The one strong advantage Humans have over other races (even in typical fantasy) is their flexibility and ability to adapt.
RE: hmm..
# Nov 29 2002 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
dont agree with you AT ALL on that one, humans are totaly average (as i have said befroe) therefor suited for most races, for example one class might need high INT for it and a ceratain race might have great INT but crap STR, plus, there are 3 (4 if you include half elves) types of elves and all have classes that another elf race dosent. so when you put all the classes of each elf race you have a fair few
Humans are average
# Oct 14 2002 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
Exactly, humans are JUST average. For rangers, they are a good choice, because their downsides can be outweidhed in other areas.

I like Skulreaver's style, he's persuasive.

As for Monks? There is no middle of the road - there are 2 choices, and Iksars are the best.
RE: Humans are average
# Nov 16 2002 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
Actually, if your looking for Attacking power Humans outdo the Iksar till 65 which then I believe that there basic fists are both equal (15/20), but till then humans have better attack, they may have less AC, but they have A LOT better faction, they regen for less, and have worse eye-sight, It all depends on what you like doing attacking harder or defending better, just my 2cp
Humanies
# Oct 09 2002 at 3:02 PM Rating: Default
Well, Humans (in my opion the best) are totaly the average race of the game, they get there reputation from ppl saying for e.g. they have bad night vision, but why isnt it that its just the other raceshave the advantage of seeing better in the dark, i'm making the same point of one of the posts (cant remember which one)already but Humans have NO disadvantages, and thats for the reason of having no advantages,well, onto the point of looks, ppl say Humans look gay, i kindda thought that, i mean my guy looked liek some corny mexican **** star but when i got the luclin armour my human along with all the others looked kick *** (but then again with the graphics tuned up on all the other races modles they all look good). anyway i better finish this post before i start to repeat myself and go over the top like i usaly do, average all rounders about sums humans up...
P.S. OGRES ALSO RULE!
RE: Humanies
# Oct 09 2002 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
on that post i didnt mean when i got the luclin armour i meant luclin expansion....erm...anyway thats all , oh and ignor all the other typos i always do them. Raijin = typo master
humans
# Sep 29 2002 at 6:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Pick what race you like most, everything else will fall into place. Choosing any race will not inhibit you whatsoever in later levels, but chosing a race merely to level the fastest will. This is a role-playing game, and there is no end to it. Enjoy it. My personal preference when creating a ranger was a human. I was partial to this choice nly as there are very few human rangers I found pride in that. Also I was an Airborne Ranger in the US Army, and found it fitting. What I liked about the human for my ranger is that stats where very stable all across the board. My main reason for choosing a human ranger is the human ranger walks the path less chosen, and that is what a ranger is all about; the path less chosen. Yeah, I couldn't see in the dark, but I still fought, with no complaints! I am a ranger! Plus I get an infravison spell at 30. IMHO halflings could never be rangers. Too short to draw an arrow. Halflings, yeah, but they are are mix, and I want to be pure. Wood elves, a good ranger. I just prefer human. But that is just it. A preference.
So, choose what you like most, and the rest will follow. Your satisfaction in your race will bring you way farther then playing a class based on what others say is the best. Enjoy and roleplay. Good Hunting.
RE: humans
# Oct 24 2002 at 7:49 AM Rating: Decent
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/em nods

Many folks don't pick humans simply because they want to be different. In real life we are all humans. But EQ is fantasy. Be something you are not. Enjoy it. Perhaps certain hard core power gamers may not like humans as a choice for certain classes but a good role player will find a human very satisfying to play; if that is what they want. I fall in to the role player category. Making level 65 ASAP with the biggest and best gear is not important. Having fun by interacting with the environmet and other players is what I do. I highly recommend it to others. Humans can be a lot of fun.
RE: humans
# Feb 02 2003 at 8:04 AM Rating: Default
so basicly your saying because i'm a human in real life i cant have as much fun being one in the game as any other race? wrong mate thats your opion my main a human and i liek the stats to humans i like how they look in plate i like how they fight i like what classes they can be i like whewre they start in the game, adn i like how i roleplay with humans, i dont have to be a diffent race just to be diffrent in the game.
#REDACTED, Posted: Sep 21 2002 at 4:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Louzer, for honest advice, I'd remake your warrior. Humans aren't very fun to play as your first character, as they have a lot of crappy stats and disadvantages (vision). I'd make an Ogre warrior, very nice stats and they can't be stunned fron the front. Iksars are also a viable choice as they have innate regen and an AC bonus, but at lower levels are difficult due to not being able to wear plate. Trolls are also good with incredible stats and regen to boot, your choice. But all in all.. Humans should be the "twink" race, imo - the race you play when you have gear to compensate for your suckiness.
RE: Races
# Dec 24 2002 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
I love humans as druids at the higher levels. They are definitely a twink class. They have very good stamina and strength compared to the other druid races. So you can carry more and get hit more. With a full set of elysian gear, potc earrings (nature and solstice) plus druid str buffs my str is 171. My ac is 935 and my HP self buffed with potc is 2081. Will we melee? I don't. I get hit when quading and stunned so I am getting hit by many a mob. So for strength and stamina human druid is good. Wisdom is 255 with kei btw. In summary: Human druid at low lvls untwinked down right bad. At the high lvls very good HP and STR. Me likey!
#REDACTED, Posted: Sep 21 2002 at 4:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Iksars are better warriors too, fyi.
I can see why.....
# Sep 18 2002 at 9:39 AM Rating: Default
humans are not the most popular character to play. I'm a 9th level human warrior. They're slower than everyone else, can take less hit points, and seem to take forever to heal or level. Right now, I'm TRYING to play blackburrow, and am getting REAL tired of getting killed every 3-5 minutes. *sigh* I understand now why people twink. Any suggestions on how to get some REAL armor, when you have no money??? I've been killin everything in sight, but can't seem to make enough even to buy a few pieces of decent plate armor. Right now, I'm decked out in ruined gnoll gear. looks cool, but somehow, I don't think is helping me too aweful much. Any suggestions on how to get my defenses up, or people willing to twink me, I'll be forever grateful. Email me at hall442@yahoo.com. Thanks! -Lou-
RE: I can see why.....
# Oct 05 2002 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
If you put all but 5 points into stamina you wouldn't die that much
RE: I can see why.....
# Sep 18 2002 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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Humans get experience faster than any other race other than halflings. At 9th level you may just be going too deep into blackburrow for your own good. Get out onto the West Karana plains. You might do better. Or get a larger group. A full suit of banded armor will cost you around 60pp from a player that has decent smithing skills. You should be able to do your Warrior Quest armor in Qeynos at this level. Also, see if you can get another player to sell you fine steel weapons to upgrade your bronze or rusted ones.
Human vs Iskar
# Sep 17 2002 at 7:20 PM Rating: Decent
I have to agree with the iskar, iskar are much more suited to be monks than humans. humans are the WORST class in the game IMO because they are SO average and blind. Iskar also have a higher regen rate, which makes them better melee classes, but i'll even admit the faction thing is a MAJOR downfall. I like elves... i want a dark elf monk!
humans suck
# Sep 10 2002 at 10:07 AM Rating: Default
Humans look gay, and they suck.
Hahahahaha.
# Sep 03 2002 at 5:25 PM Rating: Default
Zuule, the theatre called, they need some fresh meat. You have more class than me? Because you play a Human? Haha. Firstly, this has no relation to the topic at hand, and is in every way false. If you want me to give you a one up, let's say you're more classy than I. Ok... Iksars are still better, and you look like an idiot for posting a response revolving around a personality dispute rather than a character dispute (no pun intended). You help the little ones? Wonderful. Iksars can help people too... hahaha. You're arguments are so...powerless, and completely devoid of any logic.

You're an overly dramatic idiot. Let's look at this logically. EverQuest is a game, so whatever makes the game most fun for you should be the course of action which you choose. If you honestly enjoy being the lesser race, the race that performs on a lower level than it's iksar counterpart, the race that SUCKS, then by all means play a Human Monk. I can't stop you.

Chances are, however, the majority of EverQuest players actually like making the most of their character. After all, the only point of EverQuest one can really grasp - the only purpose - is to advance a character and make him / her / it powerful. What better way to make a character powerful than to... gasp ... choose the most powerful race.

You mention challenge in your very confusing, clunky, and poorly written satire of a response. You want challenge? Humans aren't challenging to play. Just because they lack regeneration, 100 swimming, an innate AC bonus, and the Forage skill does not mean that they are inadequate for killing monsters, they are merely less effecient than Iksars. Perhaps a human monk would be challenging on a PVP server, because once on a PVP servere, the human's weaknesses shine through like a beaken. Regeneration is quite powerful in pvp when fighting players that do not nuke or deal immense amounts of fast damage.

Let's get right to it Zuule. In all probability you're mind was not able to even comprehend the previous posts I made, and I wouldn't give it to you to even read more than a paragraph of any of my analysis. But case in point - Iksars are better than Humans as monks. They simply gain more benefits, and the benefits that humans get are not currently very pertenant to the main aspects of EverQuest as it stands now, i.e. being Non KoS in freeport. Who cares? As a Monk you can just Feign Death around any zone in the game for the most part. And at this stage in the game most people are hanging out in indifferent zones such as Velious faction zones or Luclin (the Bazaar, etc.)

I don't know about you, but I'd much rather gain Regeneration, an AC bonus, Forage, 100 Swimming skill, some good shackle quests which yeild some powerful items at mid-high end levels, and infravision then some improved faction and one delay off of fists, which no player ever uses either (and you know that's true.) Humans are blind as bats, which granted is easily fixed with an item or spell, but no less is just another con to the Human race as a Monk.

You also mention appearence. This is where it becomes a matter of opinion rather than factual attributes or mathematic explainations and statistics. You like the way the Human looks better? More power to you; many people will tell you if you don't like your look in EQ you won't be happy, and that's what EQ is about - being happy. I, on the other hand, love the look of the Iksar. They look fit, powerful, fast, and aggressive. Humans look... idiotic. Of course that is just my opinion, and should not hold a baring on the choices of new players as to which race of Monk they choose.

If you wish to argue with me about this, bring it on, I thrive on the idiocy and ignorance of people who try to prove their own knowledge only to find it severely lacking. I will gladly debate this topic until the forum doesn't exist anymore, and when that happens I'll create a new one. The undeniable fact is that, in EverQuest's current state, Iksars make the most powerful (from a stistical and balancing point of view) Monks. As time goes on Humans may gain more benefits, but hell, time is running out, EQ2 is just around the corner.

I play a very experienced level 60 Monk, and contrary to what seems to be the popular belief of many of the fools that respond in this forum, I sure as hell know what I'm talking about. I wasn't powerleveled or twinked. I played my Monk at all levels of the game and noone has ever played my character. I know my Monk, and I know how he matches up to humans. There is not a person on this forum who has yet to make an intelligent argument, let alone an accurate one.

Bring facts or don't bring anything. You'll simply look foolish, otherwise.


Oh and P.S. Zuule, you don't need to go on a tangent about you loving not being uber, enjoying the "ghetto life." Just save your breath, we only need to hear a few words from you before the word "newb" flashes through our minds. At least that's my take.

RE: Hahahahaha.
# Jul 30 2003 at 6:08 PM Rating: Decent
You are stupid Mastikor. Okay I will give it to you Iksars do have some better starting stats but so what. I like my Human. Some people say that this is a roleplay atmosphere so you should be something either that humans, No, I have never seen a real human cast a magic spell to kill things, I have never seen a real human In full armor, I have never heard of a real human worshiping Mithaniel Marr or Ralos Zek, This game takes place on a different planet, This game is more of a medival atmosphere, They still talk different and act different back then. e.g. thou art not to go there. see, you can still rolepklay easily as a Human and I personaly don't give a hoot about stats, the Human Is not the best or the worst. i think its the best you may not, many people here have said,
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Play what you like, don't worry about stats.
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# Sep 29 2002 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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/////////////the only problem Mastikor, is that you are a slimy, filth-ridden lizard! That counts for several points in my book. Ha ha ha. Have shame, you slimy reptilian puke!!:p
#REDACTED, Posted: Aug 23 2002 at 7:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Haha, I'm being childish? I'm "flaming?"
RE: Childish?
# Aug 24 2002 at 2:04 AM Rating: Decent
RE: Childish?
# Aug 24 2002 at 2:04 AM Rating: Good
your argument is flawed young one, iskar are lizards, and since when does it matter that you might be more baddass than the rest as an iskar, when you look stupid most of the time, o revel in my humanity, there is more challenge, i have more respect for the human players then you, i never beg, in any of my forms, i have rarely been twinked and never been uber, i stand by my actions, iskar are not beter than humans, this is not a race, there are no winners.. i would guess you to be one of those gamers always playing the baby dragon, i play the outcasts, cambion, tiefling and so on, sure they can be powerful, so can a goblin, play them too, we that never complain are never uber, i spent one day in the bazaar, came away with some coin, and some armor, not uber, but enough to get by, i have been given gifts by players, i am the one struggling, always in /role, and doing my best with what ive got, and i help the little ones, sure, i will never be uber, but i have more class than you.
Enough already
# Aug 22 2002 at 12:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Considering that there is this discussion, i think the humans are well balanced enough to fit in well with the game
GAAAAH
# Aug 20 2002 at 10:00 PM Rating: Good
I know I am going to be flamed for this, but I have to say it. Mas and slip, you BOTH are being stupid and childish. I came here for information, not bickering. There, I've said it, and in laymans terms, SHUT UP!!! Everywhere I look, allakhazam discussion forums are turning into mindless bickering!!! If your going to argue about the monk class, at least do it in the monk forum!!!

/rant off Flame away

Edited, Tue Aug 20 22:48:38 2002
RE: GAAAAH
# Aug 23 2002 at 3:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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I didn't think my approach to be stupid or childish. Errors? Perhaps. I'm not perfect. But I also don't flame people with sensless name calling. Discussions and debates are good. Flaming is bad.

Edited, Fri Aug 23 16:23:49 2002
RE: GAAAAH
# Aug 22 2002 at 12:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Almen. Also, they both had errors in their arguments. If any post a reply, i will not be replying so dont bother to ask what the errors are- if you dont know them you havent played enough.
#REDACTED, Posted: Aug 17 2002 at 3:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No, what's obvious is that you cannot handle someone else being blatently more knowledgable about a certain topic than you, especially a topic which you preofess incessantly to be a master of.
#REDACTED, Posted: Aug 09 2002 at 11:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You say that level 60 is not the level to be considering the class balance of Iksar Monks / Human Monks. Let me ask you, oh knowledgable one - when you play EverQuest, what is your goal? To **** around like a fool at level 20 killing Desert Madmen and snivvling like a dork at the patch changes that don't affect you in anyway? No, most likely you have aspiriations of hitting level 60, we all do. 60 is the endgame, the goal, if there were any sort of "Game Over" type achievement for EverQuest, it's dinging the final level and at last being able to say you made it.
RE: Hmm...
# Aug 14 2002 at 11:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Obviously, you cannot engage in intelligent debate without name calling. So, I am done with you. Call me when and if you grow up.

/ignore Mastikor

Edited, Wed Aug 14 12:42:16 2002
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# Jul 25 2002 at 8:53 PM Rating: Default
I would like to correct you in a few ways.

First of all, at level 60, a very well equipped person of any class can solo quite well, to tell you the truth.

Using a fungi tunic any melee class can solo in Fungus Grove for perfectly fine exp. The mobs hit for almost nothing and have horribly low HP there. Wizards and Druids can quad kite, but in short, a level 60 character can usually solo quite easily with good equipment, Luclin only made it easier. So there's that argument.

As for pitting a 60 Iksar Monk vs. a 60 Human Monk, not only would the Iksar Monk win, but he would win a completely unrealistic fight. What you need to understand is that no monk I have ever seen, be it level 20 or level 60, has ever, and I mean ever, used their fists (non epic.) Therefore the ONLY clear advantage that Humans would have (there 1 damage extra fists) is completely negated.

Did I mention Iksars start with 100 swimming skill?

FUN!
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# Jul 30 2002 at 3:53 PM Rating: Good
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Well this leads to my next point: Class and race balancing start with the assumption that the class/race combo being compared is either naked or is equipped with gear that is considered by VI to be average for the character's level. Naturally, what you and I might consider average is probably quite a bit above average in VI's opinion. Based on notes I have seen I don't think they expected this trickle down effect (which we call twinking). This is why EQ2 will have item decay. I digress...

I suspect that when class/race balancing is checked by the VI developers its not just at level 60. It is examined at various levels in the game. This is why certain class/race combos receive various skill bonuses and unique abilities (it also adds uniqueness to the race/class). [BTW, how often do you really use swimming anyhow? Or do you live in Kedge Keep? :-)] Some of these abilities dont arrive at the same level (ie tail slap vs dragon punch). My point is that level 60 is not the best place to make a comparison between human and iksar monks or any other class/race combo. You have to do it at several different levels throughout the life of the character.

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