Muffin for Pandos  

Quest Started By:Description:
Maximum Level:120
Monster Mission:No
Can Be Shrouded?:No
Quest Type:Quest
Quest Goal:
  • Faction
Factions Raised:
Factions Lowered:
Quest Items:
Related Quests:
Group Size:Solo
Min. # of Players:1
Max. # of Players:1
Appropriate Classes:
  • All
Appropriate Races:
  • All
Entered: Tue Jan 2 21:30:53 2001
Modified: Thu Feb 3 02:23:56 2022
Pandos Flintside may be found at 100, -615 in the Hogcaller's Inn of West Freeport and is on Faydarks Champions faction.. (You can use Find - CTRL+F - on Trissa Whistlesong to help locate.)

You say, 'Hail, Pandos Flintside'

Pandos Flintside says 'Greetings! Please move along. I am not paid to converse with strangers... unless of course you have a muffin or two..?'

Vendors that sell Muffins in West Freeport (7 copper):

Gern Tassel
Innkeep Evelona
Innkeep Palola
Innkeep Rille
Pincia Brownloe
Rashinda Elore

Give him a Muffin.

Pandos Flintside says 'Mmmm. This smells delicious. Oh great!! No milk!! Don't you have any sense?! Just tell me the name of the bakery and I will run and get it myself. I am sure Lady Shae will be safe.'

Your faction standing with Faydarks Champions has been adjusted by 1.
Your faction standing with King Tearis Thex has been adjusted by 1.
Your faction standing with Clerics of Tunare has been adjusted by 1.
Your faction standing with Soldiers of Tunare has been adjusted by 1.
Your faction standing with Crushbone Orcs has been adjusted by -1.
You gain experience!!

If you tell him you got the muffins at the Brownloe bakery, he'll go there. As soon as he leaves, this ward comes out and will talk to you. This dovetails into the Hogcaller's Inn quest.
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Charm pandos
# Sep 06 2021 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Lvl 86 bard tried to charm and hand in muffins but it gave no change to faction. Guess i’m off to crushbone…
# Sep 07 2020 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I just got my Faydarks Champions to ally in just a couple of minutes because you can apparently turn in the muffins in 4 stacks of 20 at a time. Goes by fast like that.
still works...
# Jan 30 2020 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
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I've always found faction a fascinating part of EQ.

I went to buy spells in Kellethin for a friend's new druid. I was shocked to find the spell vendor was dubious (so I had to hide/sneak to buy the spells) and the Guildmaster was SCOWLING! Checking their factions I discovered I was SCOWLING with Soldiers of Tunare. While I've done my fair share of guard-hunting in my days, I don't recall ever killing any mobs on this particular faction.

So I went to EFP to do this muffin quest and was surprised that I was WARMLY with Pandos. Makes no sense if he's on Soldiers of Tunare faction. Maybe he just gives the faction, but isn't ON it? Which isn't the way it usually goes with faction. In any case I turned in 4 40-slot bags full of muffins and fixed this faction in 15 minutes. There's an inkeeper not far from Pandos (Evelona) who sells them for the bargain price of 7cents each so it's a cheap fix too. (No idea why I'm apprehensive with her, but she will still sell me, so no worries.)

And now I'm ALLIED with Pantos (up from WARMLY) so he definitely IS on this faction. Very strange. Can you be scowling with one toon and warmly with another, when both share the same faction? Do the OTHER factions they're tied to negate some of this negativity??

Curiouser and curiouser...
Sippin 115 DRU **** Firiona Vie ****Agnarr
FV: 115 WAR ENC CLE MAG WIZ SHD SHM Master Alchemist ROG Master Tinkerer & Poison-Maker
Master Artisan (300+) * Baker * Brewer * Fletcher * Jeweler * Potter * Researcher * Smith * Tailor
still works...
# Feb 07 2020 at 9:51 PM Rating: Excellent
1,238 posts
Pandos is on Faydarks Champions faction which is Kelethin Rangers.
While Pandos quest does increase Soldiers of Tunare faction (Kelethin Druids), he is not on this faction himself.
still works...
# Feb 08 2020 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
2,929 posts
Hmm... I'll go back and kill him, if he can be cast upon (a big IF with merchants these days) and check the faction hits...

He's dead. And the hits were -10 to Faydark Champions, and -2 each to Clerics of Tunare and Soldiers of Tunare and King Tearis Thex.

So he IS indeed on these factions.

Curioser and curioser...

+2 to Crushbone Orcs. That's pretty cool. In theory you could level a low level halfling or wood elf which could then hang out in Crushbone safely... maybe. Have to check any other orc factions...

Edited, Feb 8th 2020 7:28pm by Sippin
Sippin 115 DRU **** Firiona Vie ****Agnarr
FV: 115 WAR ENC CLE MAG WIZ SHD SHM Master Alchemist ROG Master Tinkerer & Poison-Maker
Master Artisan (300+) * Baker * Brewer * Fletcher * Jeweler * Potter * Researcher * Smith * Tailor
still works...
# Feb 17 2020 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
1,238 posts
An NPC is only on one faction. The other factions are allies and/or enemies of that one faction.

Edited, Feb 17th 2020 7:28pm by nytmare
Multiple Muffins
# Dec 05 2019 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
8 posts
Pally had bad faction in Felwithe Elia the Pure attacked him
Did the muffin quest was able to turn in stacks of muffins 80 at a time and fixed faction quickly.
No Faction for muffin turn ins
# Nov 08 2019 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
My guild just talked me into doing PoG as a HIE Enchanter and my faction dropped like a rock with all the Wood Elf Tunare factions. I was assured that in 15 minutes of turning in muffins, all would be better. I attempted to turn in the muffins and was KoS with Pando. I cast collaboration on him, no luck. I tried mez/memblur then invis, no luck. I then tried mez/memblur/collaboration, still KoS. So I finally charmed him and proceeded to hand in muffins. I got experience and the dialog about where's the milk, but zero faction. No Warriors of Tunare, Faydark's Champions, Clerics of Tunare, Crushbone orcs, Nothing, Nada, Zilch, Zip, Zero. So now I am KoS in Kelethin and with the clerics and Pallys in Felwithe. Not such a good scenario for a HIE Enchanter. Any suggestions on other ways to raise faction or should I just move?
No Faction for muffin turn ins
# Nov 12 2019 at 11:25 PM Rating: Decent
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get a few stacks of Cloudy potions, cast invis on yourself (normal invis, don't waste a potion) and walk up to him while invis. put 20 muffins on your cursor and get real close to him so he covers most of your screen, hover the muffins over Pandos....

with the muffins on your cursor click Pandos TWICE (first click drops invis, second click puts muffins in trade window) and immediately click a Cloudy potion to re-invis. place three more stacks of muffins in trade window for a total of 80.

click trade, check /faction.

EDIT: just tried the above method myself while KOS and it does still work, gotta be quick though and get lucky on server ticks so that he doesn't agro you in between mouse clicks.... that and you need a bunch of cloudy potions which are 10p a pop.

another method that you can try is handing in bat wings to Niola in south felwithe. she accepts 400 at a time (4 x 100 stack) this gives +Faydark Champions and +King Tearis Thex factions which are two of the factions that Pandos is on. however you need to be indifferent to Niola for her to accept the bat wings, she is on Keepers of the Art faction which you should be in good standing with as a high elf chanter, if not Collaboration should put you at or above indifferent. bat wings can be purchased in commonlands from Katha Firespinner

So hand in 2-3 thousand bat wings to Niola which should make Pandos tolerate you, then finish off the faction by handing Pandos a couple thousand muffins.

Edited, Nov 13th 2019 1:12am by Zaztik
I'm completely lost help please!
# Sep 02 2018 at 11:50 PM Rating: Decent
I'm a Drakkin Ranger and I've been giving Pandos multiple stacks of muffins. I spent probably well over 400 Plat on just muffins just none stop giving him them. When I consider him it says he is an ally but I receive no quest. I can't seem to accomplish anything I ran all the way to Felin but when I hail him I don't get the note and he ignores me. Lol any suggestions??
I'm completely lost help please!
# Sep 03 2018 at 12:36 AM Rating: Decent
Update it now says my faction couldn't possibly get better and when I hail him nothing happens still. Smiley: oyveySmiley: oyvey
I'm completely lost help please!
# Sep 03 2018 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
389 posts
NorrathWorldOutlawDanny wrote:
Update it now says my faction couldn't possibly get better and when I hail him nothing happens still. Smiley: oyveySmiley: oyvey

This faction correction quest is used so that another quest, that he does not give, may move forward. Wondering if that is the reason you started the muffin operation.
I'm completely lost help please!
# Sep 03 2018 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
I looked over the Epic and it's pre-quest when you have to talk to Plagus he says something like I still have to prove myself to the guild. I didn't dig deeper into the Epic because I was informed that doing the Muffins For Pandos quest would jump-start the epic from Telin.
I'm completely lost help please!
# Sep 04 2018 at 7:57 AM Rating: Good
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Telin begins the Druid and Ranger epic quests. I would guess that the post you read assumed that one's faction would need adjustment along the way. This may be true; I do remember that someone in my alt family (which includes both a druid and a ranger) did need to offer some muffins. However, this intersession does not otherwise move the quest along. To me, it appears it is time to go back to the beginning and speak with Telin, proceeding as he says.
Gaining faction as a Dark Elf
# Jun 05 2018 at 5:26 AM Rating: Excellent
123 posts
I just tried to do this with my latest alt, a DE (agnostic) magician, partly in preparation for the Courier of Favor quest run through old zones but mainly just trying to gain faction without causing any issues in the old hometown. I left it till she was Lvl 15 with over 900hp and over the 115 AC cap (twinked with the Orb of the Infinite Void as a 35ac shield). Trying to be clever with an enchanter alt was too irritating so I did this the simple way - for any new(old)bies wanting faction here's what worked for me:

Bought about 40 stacks of muffins in PoK, cast invisibility (Lvl 8 spell) and stood behind Pandos, clicked a stack on him twice (the first breaks the spell) and hit the give button - this took a couple to attempts to get right but I could get the 20 faction hits before the ones he dished out. Then hightailed it to the PoK stone with him and the unimpressed Lady Shae following me - as others have said the militia and vendors all ignored this commotion. Recast invis, then back to WFp and rinse & repeat. After about 9 single stacks I was able to hand them in 4 stacks at a time without him taking offence. A total of about 35 stacks got me to max faction.

Then for the next hour I sat on the orc spawn point on the patch of grass just outside and left of the gates with my pet killing DF orcs which spawned about every 8 seconds. About 1 in 5 were centurions (occasionally a blue L10) that gave +1 faction to Commons Residents, Ashen Order, Guardians of the Vale & Knights of Truth. Staggered across to Tenni Kohern in the tents to sell everything except the picks. Took about 10 batches of 4 picks to Tohsan Hallard in EFp and raised Coalition of Tradefolk, Coalition of Tradefolk Underground, Knights of Truth (all +4) & Merchants of Qeynos (+3) The Lottery Ticket.

I'd already killed a bunch of aqua goblins and bandits south of the Butcherblock docks, then using invis to get in to N Kaladin Bone Chips (Kaladim) turned in almost a stack of 1000 bonechips to get max faction for the Clerics of Underfoot, Kazon Stormhammer and Miner's Guild 249 (200 at a time then selling the reward loot).

Next onto Blackburrow to farm gnolls for Guards of Qeynos, Merchants of Qeynos, Jaggedpine Treefolk, & Silent Fist Clan (+1) faction before the HC Heritage started. At 15 I could get lots of XP from the higher gnolls and made a couple of levels quite quickly. If only I could get Wolves of the North faction easily I'd be happy but I'll need a disguise and probably that enchanter to hand in the gnoll fangs in Halas.

Edited, Jun 6th 2018 1:51pm by Gidono
# May 07 2016 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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(You can use Find - CTRL+F - on Trissa Whistlesong to help locate.) <--- False, Trissa is not on find.

Edited, May 7th 2016 3:45pm by dieli
Try it KoS
# Dec 17 2014 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Here's a fun trick if you are KoS to Pandos, don't have sneak and have a goodie friend to help.

Someone tag him and train him outside the city to the newbie area. Nobody seems to help him if he's in combat, but best to have the goodie friend do this in case there are other KoS wanderers.
Memblur (atone, etc) him once he's outside the gate and then hail him when he stops attacking. Alternatively root him and zone out and back in.
He's really aggressive to evil characters, so I had to lull/lament/pacify him in order for the evil player to get close enough to put a stack of muffins in trade without being attacked.
Once you have trade open, have your goodie friend invis you while you are adding more muffins.
You can stack turn-in items in today's EQ, so may as well put up 4 stacks of 20 each time.
After you have 80 muffins in trade and are invis and indifferent, hit trade and watch the faction roll in.

Repeat as needed, remember to hail him every so often so he doesn't walk back inside and keep refreshing lull.

PS I tried to 2 box and time an invis cast with the trade in, but could not get trade open without being attacked on my 49 DE Cleric, that's when I decided to use lull to lower his aggro range enough to open trade without being attacked. Charmed NPCs will take quest turn ins and give exp, but don't give faction, sorry. There are some roamers in revamped freeport that look like casters/paladins so after aggroing Pandos and not having anyone help him, that's when I decided to drag him outside the city. Wolf Form gets mentioned A LOT on faction quests but I think this only helps Iksars because being a wolf instead of a dark elf hasn't gotten a better faction with anyone I've seen. This doesn't hurt any evil factions.
# Aug 23 2014 at 5:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Factions Raised:

Clerics of Tunare 1
Faydarks Champions 1
King Tearis Thex 1
Soldiers of Tunare 1

Factions Lowered:

Crushbone Orcs -1
# Sep 13 2014 at 1:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I have not played my main who is a Halfling Druid forever because of her KOS status. Can i turn in more then 4 muffins at a time and get faction? What is the max amount i can turn in at 1 time?
# Oct 27 2014 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Ladihawk wrote:
I have not played my main who is a Halfling Druid forever because of her KOS status. Can i turn in more then 4 muffins at a time and get faction? What is the max amount i can turn in at 1 time?

You can now turn in as many as will fit in stacks at a time now. I'm not sure how big the muffins stack, but if they stack in 20, you can turn in 4 stacks of 20 at a time and get boatloads of quest turn-ins at once.
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# Apr 09 2013 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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Directly Across from Trissa Whistlesong. Use /FIND. Then buy the muffins from any of the sellers and come right back here ~ with STACKS ~ and turn them in as stacks of 20.

Happy Hunting
You can now turn in stacks
# Dec 23 2012 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Since you can now turn in stacks of quest items, you can get this done unbelievable fast. Just turn in 4 stacks of 20 Muffins at a time and watch the faction fly. It took me less than a minute to get to Kindly, turning in about 20 stacks of Muffins.
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Don't forget Crushbone
# Aug 29 2011 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I am a Drakkin ranger, and I figured I would have to do the faction quest (natch). I noticed the faction hits you get with the muffin quest they are all identical in Crushbone except King Tearis Thex, so go to gfay and forage for your heartfruit, while you are there kill every cotton picking orc you can find, run through Crushbone a few times and slaughter everything ending with Emporer Crush. (Kill D'vinn just cause you bloody well can!)
I started out as apprehensive to the guards in Kelethin & Felwithe, after clearing CB 3x's I was amiable, took maybe a half hour if that. Had to go to Freeport to complete another quest so for kicks and giggles I turned in 200 muffins and conned Pandos, I was kindly.
If you can't handle doing 1000+ muffin turn in, here's your alternative.
The real deal
# Jul 16 2010 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
My lvl 65 ranger conned Telin Darkforest at amiably and he would not speak to her. She did this muffin quest and after 280 muffins stuffed into Pandos Flintside she went back to Telin and still conned amiably but this time Telin spoke. She got the quest.

So if amiably, 280 max seems to be the magic number to get Telin to speak to you. Amiably is the faction needed it just needs to be on the high end of amiably. Cha 283 with Unfailing Reverence buff and 262 unbuffed he still spoke after the 280 muffins.

Now go buy 280 muffins and feed Pandos Flintside till he bursts!
Muffin stuffin the flintside puffin
# Jan 05 2010 at 5:39 AM Rating: Decent
Ok as being a woody it took around 350 muffin's to stuff this fatty. To give me the faction from amiable to Kindly. Come on EQ put some more yeast in them muffins so that it can be done by the stack. Anyways hope this helps you out and your not eating muffins for weeks cause of extra turn in leftovers.
# Jul 03 2009 at 12:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I started as a human ranger level 54, low amibly to pandos on the mayong (51/50) server.I turned in around 10000 muffins, and im not max ally. thats bs! from what ive read, people started at same faction as me, and turned in 5000 muffins and got max ally... right now im low ally......booh
# Jul 02 2009 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Took me around 3000 muffins to reach ally on ranger after being kos. At least I think I was kos cause he attacked me the first time he saw me.
Perfected Invis
# Jun 29 2009 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Time it just right and you can open a trade screen, invis, drop muffins into trade and click trade without getting agro.

Helps to have a chanter standing nearby to memblur if Pandos does agro.

Previous info of 67 stacks = dubious was accurate. I was near max KOS.

EDIT: 1452 muffins and still dubious.

Edited, Jun 30th 2009 7:44pm by jedis
My Faction Was Swift
# Mar 10 2009 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
Well as I previously stated I started Indiffrently with Pados. After my friends lvl 46 Druid turned in 820 muffins, her faction standing is ally, 3/10/2009!!
# Mar 10 2009 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
I went from indiffrent to amiably after 1 stack of muffins. B\Taking forever to gets past amiably lol. His loc I found him at on 3/10/2009 is
106.61, -614.73, -88.91..... Right Inside the Hoginn or bar whatever its called. Inside and to the right. Hope this information helps!!!
muffins to max ally
# Jun 18 2008 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
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For those curious...

Woodelf ranger, Karana aligned.

1760 muffins to max clerics and soldiers of tunare.
1790 muffins to max faydarks champions.
1810 muffins to max king tearis thex.
Muffin for Pandos
# Mar 08 2008 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
Took me 25 stacks of muffins to get to kindly faction on my 49 drakkin druid (appr, indif,amiably, kindly) with the muffin dude. Don't know why but yeah my faction was 1st apprehensively & then indifferent with him...

And 26 stacks for a 46 halfling druid, to get same faction.

Edited, Mar 9th 2008 9:33am by Absolutioness
Found a way to get Non-KOS to Pandos
# May 03 2007 at 6:43 PM Rating: Decent
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My goal here is to fix Tunare Factions from PoG raids. Did some reading here and decided to try this two quest process. The best way to fix those factions is with the Muffin Quest...

So here we begin... Pandos hates me (Scowling) so I can't do the muffin quest to fix Soldiers and Clerics of Tunare. Pandos is also on King Tearis Thex and Faydark's Champions factions. I am ally to the Guards at Felwithe probably from all the orc killing I've done in my youth. but that still did not make a difference with Pandos.
So I figured if I can get two of his factions up to ally I may be able to get to Threatening at least.

I did some killing in Mistmoore to work on the Thex faction but still didn't get that up high enough there...
I killed the DE camp in Lesser Faydark to work on Clerics of Tunare Faction a little as well.. (This may have helped me reach the outcome that I did)

I came back here and read through more messages and found that the batwing quest was a good place to start working on Pandos' factions. so I bought 6 - 10slot bags full of Batwings... (100 per stack now) ane went to see Niola Impholder in the Magician's guild in Felwithe.
I was indifferent with her to start....

OK Here's the run down on Faction Adjustments as I turned these in to her...
I started off as indifferent to her...

200 Wings and I'm Amiable to her (50 Turn ins)
800 More and I'm Kindly to her (200 Turn ins)
500 More and I'm Warmly to her (125 Turn ins)
700 More and I'm Ally to her (175 Turn ins)
I turned in 800 more and factions still aren't maxxed.

I checked Elia the Pure on my way out of Felwithe and she was still Scowling.
I went to see Pandos and I'm now Dubious to him and am able to turn in Muffins.
Cocked, Locked and Ready to Rock!
# Feb 10 2007 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
I am ally now thanks to muffin quest ...bought stacks ...prob 1500 total and in ....and now can do my ranger quest for epic 1.0 ...a note here...when i broke through the barrier to ally.....pandos cast harmony on me....dont think its a coincidence...salute
Muffin Quest
# Jan 20 2007 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
If you look on the page for PoG it states " There is no way to fix Tuna faction" But everyone swears by the muffin quest. Only problem i see is agro from guards, NOW most all people are KoS in freeport, has anyone got any ideas of how to go around this, invis drops the min.. you hand the first muffin in. Crazy thing to do, might have thought about moving quest NPC to a better location.


WOOT! couple thousand muffins and am dubious now. Only two attacks from guards, have tryed this quest in the past and nothing, seems it works if you can stand still that long)>

Edited, Jan 20th 2007 6:14am by pinkysbliss
faction fix
# Feb 10 2007 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
Have you tried the giants quest in so and no ro zones kill the giants 15 at a time or the named ones in ea ro zone and you get faction with freeport guards....its easy and reported to be the best faction fixer avail for guards
Muffin Quest
# Jan 21 2007 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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if you're looking to move freeport militia faction, try the orc scalp collecting quest in highpass. scalps are easy to get in and around crushbone. theupside, it also improves corrupt qeynos guard as well.
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