Sivrn #3: Order Squared  

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Level:70
Maximum Level:115
Monster Mission:No
Repeatable:No
Can Be Shrouded?:No
Quest Type:Task
Quest Goal:
  • Experience
Quest Items:
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Related Quests:
Era:The Buried Sea
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Group Size:Solo
Min. # of Players:1
Max. # of Players:1
Appropriate Classes:
  • All
Appropriate Races:
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Entered: Tue Feb 20 20:20:23 2007
Modified: Sun Jul 21 00:06:24 2019
This solo task becomes available by completing 'Atiiki Tongue Twisting'.

Upon completion of the previous task:

Noble Sivrn says 'You have done well to learn correct pronunciation of the sphinx names, I am sure that you would be honored to speak with them. Or, perhaps, to [play] a game with them?'

You say, 'I will play a game with them'

Noble Sivrn says 'Many of the sphinx enjoy various games, riddles, and puzzles... I believe that Mahatototarit is looking for some challengers for his puzzles North of the Great Pyramid, if you are [interested].'

You say, 'I am interested'

Noble Sivrn says 'I wish you luck in solving the puzzle, I understand it is quite difficult.'

You have been assigned the task 'Order Squared'.

You say, 'Hail, Mahatototarit'

Mahatototarit glances away from the game board, do you not find [puzzles] fascinating?

You say, 'Yes, I find puzzles quite fascinating, I solved Noble Sivrn's task, afterall!'

Mahatototarit says 'I enjoy puzzles of all types, and often at the same time... Perhaps I could interest you in a game of [alignment] or [order]?'

You say, 'How about a game of order'

Mahatototarit says 'Bring me a Token of Order, and you may attempt to bring order to my Southern game board.'

The tokens drop in the pyramids from random Efreeti mobs. They are marked as QUEST ITEM and are tradable.

Mahatototarit says 'Once I reorder the board you may begin, return to me when you are [done] ordering the board... To bring order you must remember that Azia loves the South as much as Dena loves the West, while Meda despises Dena, and Paza has has deserted the Northeast leaving it barren.'

Speak with Mahatototarit about puzzles
Solve the game of order
Report your success to Noble Sivrn

((SPOILER))

Order the board by placing it in alphabetical order on the board with A (Azia) being in the southwest Corner and M (Meda) being in the southeast corner. The southernmost row should look like M, I, E, A, from East to West. and the Westernmost row should look like A, B, C, D, from
South to North.

If you face west the order will be (with the corresponding number underneath for the puzzle solver) with top row being furthest from you.

A B C D
1 2 3 4

E F G H
5 6 7 8

I J K L
9 10 11 12

M N O ( )
13 14 15

You say, 'I'm done'

Mahatototarit says 'Quite impressive, very few have managed to solve that puzzle.'

You say, 'Hail, Noble Sivrn'
You gain experience!!

Experience was ~116% AA at level 75 with 100% towards AA.
Submitted by: LordAdam (Amberdina of Povar)
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Reset quest on zoning
# Jun 15 2019 at 11:20 PM Rating: Good
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Not sure if it has been said but zoning makes it so you can't move the players.
facing west using puzzle solver
# Jan 30 2017 at 3:34 PM Rating: Good
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if you face west the order will be (with the corresponding number underneath for the puzzle solver) with top row being furthest from you.

A B C D
1 2 3 4

E F G H
5 6 7 8

I J K L
9 10 11 12

M N O ( )
13 14 15

Edited, Jan 30th 2017 4:36pm by zdrastvicha
facing west using puzzle solver
# Feb 01 2017 at 12:13 AM Rating: Excellent
zdrastvicha wrote:
if you face west the order will be (with the corresponding number underneath for the puzzle solver) with top row being furthest from you.

A B C D
1 2 3 4

E F G H
5 6 7 8

I J K L
9 10 11 12

M N O ( )
13 14 15

Edited, Jan 30th 2017 4:36pm by zdrastvicha


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Puzzle broken / impossible
# Feb 14 2014 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Did this Quest today and its working.

Important: Your Positioning when attempting the puzzle, be it with a solver programm or by solving it without help: You have to face WEST and look at the puzzle. The Quest dialog is VERY missleading.

If you face WEST and stand below the puzzle every puzzle solver will solve it. If the solver says that its impossible you are facing to the wrong direction ingame and thus, use the wrong numbers....like i did for about 3 hours.




Edited, Feb 14th 2014 8:30pm by Kenshuij
Task info
# Jul 28 2009 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
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TASK #3 -- ORDER SQUARED

1) JEWEL OF ATIIKI: Head back to Noble Sivrn, if you aren't all ready there.

Hail him and follow along, or just try saying, "I am interested" to get the task called, "Order Squared."

This entire task takes place in this zone.

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2) You now need to acquire at least two Token of Order (Magic, Weight 0.1), one (1) for this task, and one (1) for the final task.

This is a random drop in the zone (mostly inside the Pyramids).

They are tradable and you do not have to loot it. You just need it for a hand in.

You only need one. However... if you mess up step three (below), you will need another one to restart Step 3 (you do not have to start the task again).

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3) You are looking for Mahatototarit (Level 80) (same one from the first task).

Hail and follow along or just try saying "Order."

Mahatototarit will ask for a Token of Order. Hand it over.

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4) Just south, are a number of "Efreeti" type NPC's standing in a four-by-four section of rock squares (much like a checker board).

There are fifteen Level 75 Efreeti and sixteen squares.

The goal is to put them in the right order (in the right row and in the right square).

This is accomplished by simply hailing any one of them (they can be hailed from a good distance) and they will move to an open square.

However, if the open square is not up, down, left or right of them, they cannot move (no diagonal moves allowed).

The best way I can tell you to win this (move them about), is by working in circles and rotations.

So, take your time... and you will need to get them in the following order (position yourself west of the board and face east):

<Empty> Ozah Neza Meda

Lena Kala Jaka Izah

Heda Geza Fana Ena

Dena Caza Beza Azia

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5) After you figure this out, go back and say "I am done" to Mahatototarit.

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6) Head back to Sivrn.

Hail him to complete the task and get about 1 AA in XP!
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Impossible
# Feb 10 2009 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
This is the most impossible quest ever invented , just plain dumb .
order
# Feb 03 2009 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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as tradesman posted:

If you're facing east,


[ ] . O . N . M

.. L . K . J .. I

.. H . G . F . E

.. D . C . B . A

getting them in order is cake. took 5 to 10 minutes. just think ahead a bit. :)



Edited, Feb 3rd 2009 6:44pm by starwhisp
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order
# Dec 22 2012 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
starwhisp wrote:
getting them in order is cake. took 5 to 10 minutes. just think ahead a bit. :)


Way to take credit for being lucky. This puzzle sucks.
OMG!!!!
# Nov 18 2008 at 5:54 PM Rating: Decent
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How the heck do you do this????????????? Can some1 please help me or send me a WALKTHROUGH that will help me please i have no clue and right now i am wikid stressed out with a pounding headache................
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SOE, a 5 year old could do better.
# Aug 07 2008 at 5:23 PM Rating: Default
Mahatototarit says 'Once I reorder the board you may begin, return to me when you are [done] ordering the board... To bring order you must remember that Azia loves the South as much as Dena loves the West, while Meda despises Dena, and Paza has has deserted the Northeast leaving it barren.'

Really good grammar there SOE. They must have 5 year olds working for them.
SOE, a 5 year old could do better.
# Aug 10 2008 at 4:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Yea, 5 year olds. So I am assuming you've never made a typo in your life? Get over it, it happens.
SOE, a 5 year old could do better.
# May 15 2009 at 11:48 PM Rating: Default
I have made plenty of them actually. However I am not a multi-billion dollar company with thousands of employees either. Many of whose jobs it is to proof read and fix these things. It's called professionalism. Learn it.
I am dumb
# Jun 27 2008 at 3:00 PM Rating: Decent
I got it solved, was totally putting htem in the wrong spot, i had the whole board rotated a quarter turn counter clockwise which is why i couldn't sovle
Unsolvable
# Jun 27 2008 at 1:29 AM Rating: Decent
I get it..

1,2,3,4
5,6,7,8
9,10,11,12
13,15,14,X

Which is unsolveable, have gotten this way every time so far.
Unsolvable
# Jun 27 2008 at 1:24 AM Rating: Decent
I have got an unsolvable variation everytime...
Unsolvable
# Dec 20 2010 at 12:45 AM Rating: Decent
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wrong thread. meh.

Edited, Dec 20th 2010 1:48am by Tegerwen
Bugs bugs bugs
# Jun 26 2008 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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gaaaa

took the puzzle generator after having no clue how to solve the last part. Puzzle generator said what I supposed: riddle is unsolvable!

So wasted "Order of Token", so take care and check it if there is a solution. SoE should work a bit on their algorithms!

Don't know so far how to change it again, assuming that I have to spend again a "Token" for mixing the Djinnies again :(

I hate these bugs
Bugs bugs bugs
# Dec 20 2010 at 12:47 AM Rating: Decent
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The writers of that puzzle solver should work on their algorithm. It said mine was unsolveable, too, but I solved it. The truth is, you can't make one of those 16 square puzzles unsolveable. It's impossible. There is always a way. It can be tricky, but it's there.

Edited, Dec 20th 2010 1:49am by Tegerwen
For those that still can't get it, like me
# Jan 02 2008 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
After trying 3 times and getting the same result each time, I gave up, downloaded a solution generator from http://www.ic-net.or.jp/home/takaken/e/15pz/index.html , fed it my 4th arrangment and followed the steps to complete it.

Edited, Jan 2nd 2008 3:17pm by Jinae
wee
# Jul 25 2007 at 2:11 AM Rating: Decent
took me 26 minutes, very proud, try to move then in circles, and get things like, A and B next to each other, and rotate them in a circle together, already in place, that's the tactic i used and it seemed to have worked very well
wee
# Jul 27 2007 at 2:16 AM Rating: Decent
Ok now if anyone else is like me and dislikes spending a lot of time on puzzles like this, also known as push tile puzzles, I reccomend you go to the following: http://www.geocities.com/abcmcfarren/math/tile.htm
This site is the solution to the 15 square push tile puzzle. This is precisely the same puzzle here. Just think of A-O as being the numbers 1-15. This should help any who are having problems immensely.
wee
# Aug 31 2007 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
THIS WAS PERFECT. If you look at the puzzle with your camera near the pyramid next to it, and replace the numbers with the letters, its perfect.
wee
# Aug 23 2007 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
At first I thought this was helpfull, until I got to 13-15, M-N-O. Everytime I got to this point 2 of the letters were reversed and has caused me great annoyance trying to get them reconfigured

Further research shows that this is an unsolvable variant, bad luck of the draw when Mahatototarit randomizes the board.

Edited, Aug 24th 2007 1:45:53am by Kylerion

Edited, Aug 24th 2007 2:15:38am by Kylerion
wee
# Aug 26 2008 at 8:02 PM Rating: Good
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Not the case... there is never an unsolvable version, though I can tell you you where standing on the wrong side of the board. I did this my first time and you can get into an unsolvable situation that way, but on the same puzzle if you move to the side you are to be on (standing on the east side of the board, to where if you are looking at the board your back is to the pyramid and you are facing the sand wall, sphinx off to your right) the puzzle is then solvable.
wee
# Jul 27 2007 at 2:16 AM Rating: Decent
reply if no help

Edited, Jul 27th 2007 6:18am by Beuterly
omg, this task is making me crazy
# Jul 19 2007 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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im having so much trouble with this task, i know the correct place for the npc's, i just cant get there, ive spent over an hour there on my first attempt, on my second now going on 50 mins, this is making me so crazy, any advice plz
Just did this and...
# Apr 14 2007 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
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If you're facing east, on the hill with the Djinn in front of you with the pyramid behind them you want them in Reverse alphabetical order

Ignore the dots below, they are there to help with formating.

. . E
N + S . <-- Compass
.. W

[ ] . O . N . M

.. L . K . J .. I

.. H . G . F . E

.. D . C . B . A

Use the first leter of the mobs name as the letter above, you hail the npc and they move to the empty spot, it takes some time and effort but keep playing with them and you'll get it. Once they are in this order go back to Mahatototarit and say 'Done' and it will complete that part of the task and send you back to Noble Sivrn.

Hope this helps some.

Edited, Apr 15th 2007 3:50am by Tradesman
Kudos
# Apr 01 2007 at 9:34 PM Rating: Decent
Just a moment for kudos to everyone who actually figured it out from the clues.

And Thanks Latan for answering my question
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# Mar 30 2007 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
Don't leave until you're done, or you'll have to turn in another token to move the Efreetis.
HUH ?
# Mar 25 2007 at 1:02 AM Rating: Decent
How do you move the djinnis about ?
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HUH ?
# Mar 28 2007 at 11:36 PM Rating: Decent
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you have to target and hail them.. can only move them to squares they stand next to, and cant move diagonially
Puzzle solved
# Mar 22 2007 at 9:39 PM Rating: Decent
ABCD
EFGH
IJKL
MNO() <---- Last square blank
X

(stand at the X, its on the East side of the board, facing West.)

Yup... Its the alphabet...
Puzzle solved
# Nov 09 2007 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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This post made it very easy. Prolly took me 15-20min to move the pieces :)
Puzzle solved
# Mar 29 2007 at 1:12 AM Rating: Decent
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thanks that worked like a charm. took me a while to finish this but i was never good at puzzles

i made this picture for people like me who are slow and might need some visual help
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a163/trajhver/Puzzle.jpg

Edited, Mar 29th 2007 3:58pm by DukeLatan
Here it is if you cant under stand the above
# Mar 15 2007 at 9:16 PM Rating: Decent
|DHL#|
|CGKO|
|BFJN|
|AEIM| {is what you should see if you stand where X is }
x { X Being Looking North from the South of the Bored}


Edited, Mar 16th 2007 1:21am by EQJore
PUZZLE
# Mar 15 2007 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
mispost

Edited, Mar 16th 2007 1:15am by EQJore
alignment
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Has anyone completed Alignment yet? I do not understand the goal, align in what way? I have tried three combinations and was told it was incorrect each time.
perhaps this is what is being said?
# Feb 25 2007 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
Azia loves the South
as much as Dena loves the West
while Meda despises Dena,
and Paza has has deserted the Northeast leaving it barren."


M N O #
L K J I
E F G H incorrect
D C B A

O N M #
L K J I
H G F E incorrect
D C B A


# L H D
O K G C
N J F B
M I E A

correct?(as per the spoiler)
#=blank but needed a character so when it squished it down didnt mes up the visual

Edited, Mar 2nd 2007 2:53pm by tynkgnomegod
perhaps this is what is being said?
# Feb 26 2007 at 5:42 AM Rating: Decent

yes but the A is in the southwest corner just to make the orientation clear...making the D in the northwest corner and the M in the southeast
perhaps this is what is being said?
# Mar 01 2007 at 12:09 AM Rating: Good
Mugzie... That makes perfect sense to me, and I haven't tried it yet, but surprised I guess that I hadn't seen it before. I wasn't thinking laterally, Contained in my theory that it had to be A in the SE corner. A in the SW corner. Thanks. I'll try it.
perhaps this is what is being said?
# Feb 26 2007 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Maybe this quest accepts multiple solutions. I'm pretty sure that the one I succeeded with yesterday was:

ONM_
LKJI
HGFE
DCBA

Which seems right for the A, D, and E 'rules', but not for the placement of the empty P spot.
So how does this riddle work?
# Feb 25 2007 at 3:05 PM Rating: Decent
"Once I reorder the board, you may begin, return to me when you are [done] ordering the board... To bring order to the board you must remember that Azia loves the South as much as Dena loves the West, while Meda despises Dena, and Paza has has deserted the Northeast leaving it barren."
(yes, the text actually says "Paza has has deserted")

So if this these are the clues, how do you go about ordering the board? I've tried alphabetical starting with "azia" in the southeast (loves south) going west to Dena on the west side (as much as dena loves the west), Ena just north of Dena ordering back east to Heda, Izah just north of Heda ording west to Lena, north to Meda (opposite corner as Dena?), then back west with Neza and Ozah, leaving the northeastern square empty, so that it looks like this:

M N O
L K J I
E F G H
D C B A

This was unsuccessful. When I had attained this, I returned to Mahatototarit, said done, and she responded with:
"Your solution is incorrect, perhaps you should give up..."

What am I doing wrong?

Edited, Feb 25th 2007 5:06pm by Kifael
So how does this riddle work?
# Feb 25 2007 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Close, but your EFGH and MNO rows are going west to east, when they should be going east to west.
So how does this riddle work?
# Feb 25 2007 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
If that's the case, how does "P" end up in the northeast "vacant" location? If you're correct, that would mean that P would be in the northwest corner, and he's supposed to be in the northeast.
So how does this riddle work?
# Feb 25 2007 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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uh, because there isnt a p djinn?
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