The Great Caiman Issue  

Quest Started By:Description:
Maximum Level:120
Monster Mission:No
Can Be Shrouded?:No
Quest Type:Task
Quest Goal:
  • Experience
  • Faction
  • Money
Factions Raised:
Factions Lowered:
    Related Creatures:
    Era:Prophecy of Ro
    Group Size:Solo
    Min. # of Players:1
    Max. # of Players:1
    Appropriate Classes:
    • All
    Appropriate Races:
    • All
    Entered: Tue Apr 4 22:45:15 2006
    Modified: Thu Feb 3 02:23:56 2022
    Find Dimwicket Middifoodle in the Southern Desert of Ro at location +2483, -2661.

    You say, 'Hail, Dimbwicket Middifoodle'

    Dimbwicket Middifoodle says 'No, No, No! I don't have time to sit here and chat with you _____! I've come here to help the city of Freeport but I can't get to the city! Do the people of Freeport not realize the [caiman problem] that they have around here? '

    You say, 'What caiman problem?'

    Dimbwicket Middifoodle says 'What caiman problem? Look up the beach and tell me that you don't see a caiman problem! Enough of this chatting Murril. Can you help [clear the beach] of this problem so that I can make it to Freeport safely?'

    You say, 'I will help you clear the beach'

    You have been assigned the task 'The Great Caiman Issue'.

    Dimbwicket Middifoodle says 'Get to it _____ and come back and let me know when it's clear!'

    This task involves killing caiman, which are common spawns along the coastline.

    Upon completion, return to Dimbwicket and hail him.

    Dimbwicket Middifoodle says 'Thank you very much but I need to be going now!'

    You have cleared the beach for Dimbwicket and have helped the great city of Freeport!
    Your faction standing with Citizens of Freeport has been adjusted by 20.
    Your faction standing with The Freeport Militia has been adjusted by 20.
    Your faction standing with Coalition of Tradefolk has been adjusted by 20.
    Your faction standing with Knights of Truth has been adjusted by 20.
    Your faction standing with Priests of Marr has been adjusted by 20.
    Your faction standing with Dismal Rage has been adjusted by 20.
    Your faction standing with Steel Warriors has been adjusted by 20.
    You receive 1 platinum.
    You gained experience!!

    A giant caiman named Razortooth will then chase Dimbwicket up the coastline.
    Submitted by: Murril Merryweather, The Rathe Server
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    Faction hit values:
    # May 31 2014 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
    350 posts
    For anyone curious about faction hits:

    Your faction standing with Citizens of Freeport has been adjusted by 20.
    Your faction standing with The Freeport Militia has been adjusted by 20.
    Your faction standing with Coalition of Tradefolk has been adjusted by 20.
    Your faction standing with Knights of Truth has been adjusted by 20.
    Your faction standing with Priests of Marr has been adjusted by 20.
    Your faction standing with Dismal Rage has been adjusted by 20.
    Your faction standing with Steel Warriors has been adjusted by 20.
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    Faction hit values:
    # Feb 24 2016 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
    Confirming Arkadykappa's post for faction values.
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    20 faction to The Freeport Militia
    # Aug 30 2008 at 7:39 PM Rating: Good
    262 posts
    This quest gives 20 faction to The Freeport Militia.
    Note for Rebby and The Frikniller Family give only 1 faction to The Freeport Militia each. So this quest goes much faster.
    At level 80 the XP is only about 1 percent of an AA... which is more than I expected; it's no doubt very good XP at low levels.
    # Jun 02 2007 at 1:00 AM Rating: Good
    451 posts
    Starting at Max Knights of Truth, max Militia KOS. Will count the number of quests to get to max ally Militia.

    -sidenote, once Razortooth (NPC, un-engageable) chases Dimbwicket off, he runs to North end of beach (N.Ro ZL), then both depop. Dimbwicket instantly repops back at spawn at this point. (est ~2-3min run).
    Militia faction
    # Oct 25 2006 at 2:06 PM Rating: Decent
    I'd helped a paladin friend kill Lucan and after doing this quest 110 times I have reached dubious to the Militia as an Iksar Monk. Of all the factions affected by this quest, I am not currently maxed with Steel Warriors, Militia, and the Tradefolk.

    Edit: 162 times and Militia is kindly. Others maxed somewhere around 130.

    Edit #2: 197 times gave me the message of being unable to raise faction any higher with Militia. Close to my initial estimate of 200. =\

    Edited, Oct 26th 2006 at 4:02pm PDT by sourcream

    Edited, Oct 26th 2006 at 7:15pm PDT by sourcream
    Group for faster missions
    # Jul 30 2006 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
    110 posts
    Great quest for raising faction. Im a shaman and grouped with a mage, we tagged every creature on beach with pets as we rode up and down. Each kill counts to both players, so much quicker grouped. Also you can rehail the guy as the giant caiman is chasing him and use a hotkey for the last saying to get another mission. You can complete it in 3 mins but respawn will lag you.
    # Jul 19 2006 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
    PoR required now..
    i did this a few weeks back without PoR, and now it wont let me get the task..
    # Aug 27 2006 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
    I'm currently doing this quest without PoR, no problems.
    # of caiman to kill
    # Jun 27 2006 at 11:20 PM Rating: Decent
    It took me 101 tasks to max ally in all factions, as a dark elf inny shadowknight. No prior positive or negative faction hits. 1515 caiman total.
    [75 Shadow Knight] Duke Klotar (Dark Elf)
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    # Jun 11 2006 at 2:08 PM Rating: Default
    I've been doing this for faction alot... I still get half blue AA at 63 every time I finish it. =D

    Note that you can get the quest again as he starts getting chased by Razortooth, you can just say "I will clear the beach" again instead of waiting for him to run the path all the way to Nro.
    Good Xp at low level
    # Jun 08 2006 at 3:21 AM Rating: Decent
    47 posts
    As a 19 shaman, i still got 20% xp for completing this quest...
    I started at level 14 i think, and it was like 30+% xp!
    Very nice to build up faction and level fast!

    Edited, Thu Jun 8 03:12:43 2006
    # May 27 2006 at 12:07 PM Rating: Default
    Being a lvl 70 paly...and just loving my soulfire's 5 ch's (max 7500 pts still?) It's necessary to ***** up my militia faction continuosly, to get a fresh copy of soulfire for its clicky heal....unless that's been nerfed too? Anyone with info pls post if killing sir lucan still maxes neg militia faction (hoping to return to game soon!)...but either way this is an excellent and quick method of going from scowl to indif....if you have the patience!

    Edited, Sat May 27 11:59:44 2006
    # May 11 2006 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
    For those of us who are /loc disabled...its the south end of the beach.
    # of mobs to kill
    # Apr 17 2006 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
    You need 16 caiman or deepwater caiman to complete quest.

    Rinse and repeat.
    # of mobs to kill
    # Jul 20 2006 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
    77 posts
    You need 15, not 16.
    Faction increase
    # Apr 06 2006 at 4:28 AM Rating: Decent
    I just tested this and it gives about +25 freeport militia faction every time you do it, and probably the same for the rest, pretty nice.
    RE: Faction increase
    # Apr 06 2006 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
    that would mean it would need to be repeaded how many times to fix bottomed out faction? =0)

    Edited, Thu Apr 6 11:02:09 2006
    Task Info
    # Apr 05 2006 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
    218 posts
    I've done this Task at least 40 times. It takes roughly 5 mintues to complete and results in positive faction adjustments to most, if not all, Freeport factions.

    Make sure when you do this task that you kill all the gators on the beach regardless of their type. They are all placeholders of the caiman you need.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they nerfed this task since it gives such huge faction hits and is remarkably easy.

    One additional note... When you complete the task and hail Dimbwicket, a giant croc will spawn and chase him all the way to the North Ro zone line with him screaming the whole way. As soon as he reaches North Ro he despawns and then immediately respawns in his old location and you can get the quest again. You can target the croc, but cannot engage him in combat.

    Edited, Wed Apr 5 07:51:56 2006
    RE: Task Info
    # Apr 24 2006 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
    I highly doubt they will nerf this quest. I think the reason they put it in is so that people with bad Freeport faction can fix it in order to do the new Freeport quests with Prophecy of Ro.
    RE: Task Info
    # Jan 25 2007 at 3:54 AM Rating: Decent
    132 posts
    Personally, I worry that they will nerf it, and here is why.

    1. A character right out of the tutorial will gain great exp killing the caimans... and when he hails Dimwicket again, will gain nearly an ENTIRE LEVEL of experience just for completing the quest! Crazy.

    That's: Caiman kills + quest exp = level 11 to 24 in one afternoon.

    The amount of exp does drop off over time of course, since the exp gap between the levels grows ever larger (and caimans become grey cons). At level 25 though, a character will still get nearly one yellow bubble from doing the quest once!

    2. But, I have some alts at nearly level 30 that are still happily doing this quest - they never have to leave the zone and do other things. Which is the second major reason I worry about this being nerfed - there's simply no reason to group, go to other zones, even buy spells or better gear - nothing! You can do this damn quest to your heart's content till after level 40.

    Yes, as you level you will need to do the quest more and more times to reach new levels, BUT, since you can kill the caimans faster and faster (because you're becoming a badarse) it's not as much of an exp drop-off as you would think.

    The original purpose of the quest was to get people Freeport faction so that they could go to the Academy of Arcane Science in Freeport and access Arcstone. I'm not even sure why experience was even included in the quest - it seems waay out of whack for low level characters. I always chuckle when peeps insist the best leveling for lowbies is Paludal Caverns.

    Again, just my 2 cents.

    If you can't do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly.

    My Rathe / Prexus characters:

    Bigbronze Bloodyaxe, 62 Ogre Berserker
    Verbeeg Bearfang, 62 Ogre Beastlord
    Glabrezu Spiritcaller, 62 Ogre Shaman
    Zirumkin Zenomorph, 62 Gnome Wizard
    Korgulon Soulwraith, 76 Ogre Shadowknight <Shining Alliance>
    Incarnadine Summoner, 65 Drakkin Magician

    Bristlebane characters:

    Zalkahriz Ebonscale, 64 Iksar Necromancer
    Gnomorre Gniceguy, 55 Gnome Rogue
    Whytfire Lonewolf, 55 Woodelf Ranger
    RE: Task Info
    # Apr 05 2006 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
    ive done this task 5 times but im still kos to the militia. also ive done the giant leader quest once, and kill the elite task 3 times. and i was still kos after doing all those. thats from a bottomed faction level though.

    what is your faction at now?

    Edited, Wed Apr 5 12:02:09 2006
    RE: Task Info
    # Apr 20 2006 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
    If you were max KoS, and you do indeed gain +25 faction hits, then you will have to do the quest 70 times to become dubious.

    Ally = 1450 to 2500
    Warmly = 1100 to 1450
    Kindly = 750 to 1100
    Amiable = 150 to 750
    Indifferent = 0 to 150
    Apprehensive = 0 to -150
    Dubious = -150 to -750
    Threateningly = -750 to -1100
    Ready to Attack = -1100 to -2500
    RE: Task Info
    # Apr 24 2006 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
    By using my faction spells as an enchanter, and doing quests where I had figured out the exact faction hit, I have been able to calculate the table of factions as this:

    Scowl ready to attack: -751 and below
    Threatening: -501 to -750
    Dubious: -101 to -500
    Apprehensive: -1 to -100
    Indifferent: 0 to +99
    Amiable: +100 to +399
    Kindly: +400 to +649
    Warmly +650 to +999
    Ally: 1000+

    Now if you are max kos I am not sure of how low that is exactly, but it also depends on your class, race and religion. For example, if you are a high elf cleric of tunare max KOS with the Felwithe cleric guild, bottom KOS would be roughly -2300, whereas a shadowknight iksar who follows Cazic-Thule, max kos would be more like -4750. The faction table works on a scale of roughly -2500 to +2500, then is adjusted by your race, religion, and class. So for my previous example both characters actual faction number stored on the server would read as -2500 since they are both bottomed out. The cleric would then get roughly +100 for following tunare and another +100 for being a cleric, with 0 adjustment for being a high elf. The Iksar SK on the other hand gets roughly -1000 for being an iksar and I am guessing roughly -1000 for following Cazic-Thule. I am not sure on the class adjustment for the SK, but I am guessing it would be roughly another -250. So in this case even if the iksar maxed his faction at +2500, he would still get -2250 for his race/class/religion, meaning he would never get higher than amiable even with max faction. I hope this helps some of you with faction questions.

    Edit: It appears they have changed max factions. Now as a high elf I can once again gain faction with legion of cabalis. I am up to warmly, whereas before I was apprehensive and my faction could not possibly get any better. So I would guess that you can now reach at least ally with most factions. My factions that were already maxed at ally are still maxed, so I am not sure if they made max factions higher only for those factions that previously capped below ally, or they made it so your racial/religious/class modifiers are added/subtracted to the number stored on the server, making max kos a lot easier to fix than before and allowing factions to raise higher in many cases.

    Edited, Thu Apr 27 14:32:52 2006
    RE: Task Info
    # Aug 24 2006 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
    Amiable has a span of 400 points.
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