Phylactery Will Get You Nowhere  

Quest Started By:Description:
Maximum Level:120
Monster Mission:No
Can Be Shrouded?:No
Quest Type:Quest
Quest Goal:
  • Loot
  • Tradeskill
Quest Items:
Related Zones:
Related Creatures:
Related Quests:
Era:Lost Dungeons of Norrath
Group Size:Solo
Min. # of Players:1
Max. # of Players:1
Appropriate Classes:
Appropriate Races:
  • All
Entered: Tue Oct 21 15:32:26 2003
Modified: Thu Feb 3 02:23:56 2022
If you are a good race the quest starts in West Freeport at the Paladin guild where you seek out Sir Artanis in the Halls of Truth at +820, -520, -125. If you are an evil race it starts in Neriak Third Gate cleric guild with Qrixat Du'voy in the cleric guild at +425, -810. The key trigger phrase for the quest-givers can be found within the EQ RPG GM Guide book.

Note that you must turn in the books in the proper order or you will get a message saying you should be careful with your valuable property.

Beginning of Quest (Good Version)

You say, 'I have received your summons.'

Sir Artanis says 'Yes ______, thank you for responding with such haste. The Knights of Marr recently captured a Teir'Dal wizard who under intense questioning revealed a variety of disturbing matters. First, he worships Solusek Ro, which is no crime, but considering the nearby temple's past associations with the Burning Dead, specifically Marnek about whom you recently delivered revelations, then his other information seems even more dire. Secondly, he has admitted that he was in Freeport attempting to contact the leaders of the Dismal Rage for he understood that they have nearly completed a phylactery, a device that holds the mortal soul of a lich. In light of this, we ask that you visit the Oracle of K'Arnon in the Ocean of Tears to learn whatever you can about the nature of these phylacteries, including the means to create one so that we better know how to destroy them. This letter will serve as proof that you come in the name of the Knights of Marr.'

Beginning of Quest (Evil Version)

You say, 'I have received your summons.'

Qrixat Du'voy says 'You have performed admirably in the past, so I shall overlook your tardiness responding to my call. One of our own has heeded the call of Solusek Ro over that of Innoruuk and is conspiring with that other traitorous cur, Opal Dark Briar. The wizard Salarz is a Teir'Dal now in the hands of the Knights of Marr in Freeport, but we have good information connecting him with the Dismal Rage and the Temple of Solusek Ro in a plot to create a phylactery. Somehow, this is connected to the news you brought from Befallen about the resurrection of Marnek. One who might know the answer is the oracle in the Ocean of Tears. Seek him out and learn what is required to create a phylactery so that we will remain one step ahead of any others. Go now and take this letter for the oracle with you!'

Meet the Oracle

At this point you receive a Letter for the Oracle. Take the letter to Oracle of K`Arnon at -20, -6730, -200 (updated revamp) in the Ocean of Tears. If you are KOS to the Oracle, you may charm him to turn in the letter. You may also raise your faction with him by completing the Book of Turmoil quest.

Oracle of K`Arnon says 'You walk a dangerous path if you seek to construct a phylactery. I can indeed assist you, but you must both pay my price of knowledge for knowledge and prove to me that you are capable of controlling the forces you might unleash. I seek six volumes of magical power and knowledge that are spread across the commonly known lands of Norrath and even beyond, in the planes. For each you bring me I shall instruct you on the next step in the process and provide you with one of the required pieces. Completing each step will require acquiring even more items. The process is time-consuming, but the power of a phylactery is such that it will benefit even a bearer who does not aspire to lichdom. When you are certain you are ready to begin, talk to my assistant, Jeyular and hand him. . . hmmm, where shall we start? I think it would be fitting to begin with a tome by the great lich himself, Miragul.'

You need to obtain a Tome of Miragul from An Ancient Construct in the Ruins of Old Paineel, a.k.a. The Hole. Give it to Assistant Jeyular, who stands next to the Oracle.

After the Tome of Miragul (Book 1)

Assistant Jeyular says 'An auspicious beginning. To reward your start, I will enlighten you with the secret of palatable mana, which is required to create a phylactery, but also has independent uses as well. Brew it like wine, but include a vial of mana as created by the ablest enchanters plus a pinch of this special sugar as well as grapes that can be grown only by the halflings of Rivervale. When you are ready to continue with the next step, return with the history of the Di'Zok and give it to me.'

You receive Sea-Foam Sugar. Now you need to obtain the History of the Di`zok from Loremaster Piza`tak in Chardok. Give the book to Jeyular.

After the History of the Di`zok (Book 2)

Assistant Jeyular says 'Excellent work. This book is not easily come by. This next step is the first of creating components for the phylactery itself, the silk insert. This is the base inside of the box and it must be made of durable stone silk to withstand the energies within a phylactery. When you are ready to continue with the next step, return the long-lost Journal of Aataltaal to me. His tomb is rumored to be in the Hills of Shade, and while I doubt this is true, rumor depends on some truths so somewhere nearby is where to discover this book.'

You receive an Insert Pattern. The Journal of Aataltaal is found in Kedge Keep off of Estrella of Gloomwater. Give the journal to Jeyular.

After the Journal of Aataltaal (Book 3)

Assistant Jeyular says 'Impressive, young one. I truly did not believe you would locate this volume. My instructions for constructing a phylactery shall continue. The third step requires the construction of the soul net -- the silken binding for inside the lid of the phylactery. This requires delicate and balanced threading that only the ablest fletchers can perform. To create this mystic mesh, you'll need the silk of a spider that itself deals with the immaterial as well as shadewood clips to attach the soul net to the lid of the phylactery. You must also use the glue I have given to you. When you are ready to continue, bring the book guarded by yet another spider, this one found in the Planes of Power.'

You receive Incorporeal Bond. The book is the Firebone Notebook off of Aramin the Spider Guardian. Give the book to Jeyular.

After the Firebone Notebook (Book 4)

Assistant Jeyular says 'My, my, you are serious about this effort, aren't you? This book is a excellent find from the Planes of Power and has earned you instructions for the fourth step in the process of creating a phylactery. A spellcaster may willingly give his soul to a phylactery to become a lich, but the process will not hold unless the phylactery can keep hold of the soul. The net snatches it, but a crucible of containment secures it. This sketch will help you get started, then you need merely follow similar, well-documented methods such as are used for a Crucible of Escape. The modifications should be obvious to one as talented as yourself. Also, the penultimate book I require is a bloody tome from Antonica.'

You receive a Crucible Sketch. The tome is the Sanguine Tome found in Cazic Thule. Give the tome to Jeyular.

After the Sanguine Tome (Book 5)

Assistant Jeyular says 'Thank you for this addition to my library. You're drawing close to the end of your quest. Only two more steps to complete and you will be glad to hear they are no more complicated than the first ones. The lids of the phylactery must be hinged and as no portion of the item can be of ordinary manufacture. You must fashion clasps of sealing. This mold will help you, but the Velium bits used must be enchanted and combined with a seemingly mundane object that yet holds great powers over the soul of an undead and weighs it down, anchoring it to this world. Undead elves especially are held here in this way. The results are then carefully filed smooth. Finally, the volume I require from you in exchange for the last information you require is the spellbook of the greatest living wizard on Velious.'

You receive a Clasp Mold. The final book is Velketor's Spellbook from Velketor himself in his eponymous Labyrinth. Give the book to Jeyular.

After Velketor's Spellbook (Book 6)

Assistant Jeyular says 'I am impressed by your efforts. The deeds are truly no less outstanding than my own when I stole into Miragul's Menagerie and stole a most unique tome and learned much of what I am passing along to you. The last step required of you will demand as much attention as all the prior travels and efforts to this point. Here is a decorated box I found in Miragul's laboratory that will form the substance of your phylactery. Once you have acquired and lacquered a precious garnet with the blood of a vampire, then apply the garnet and the five other pieces you've created to the decorated box and you'll have your prize. But remember, a precious garnet can be gained only from a god. As I find it unlikely you shall succeed in crafting a phylactery, and despite my payment in advice, allow me to thank you for your services in another [way].'

You receive a Decorated Box and a Token of Service. At this point you have all the recipes for the Phylactery which requires high tradeskills. If you don't have high tradeskills and are an int/wis caster you can continue on as follows to receive the robe or the tunic.

The Other Way

You say, 'What way?'

Assistant Jeyular says 'Look for Raotin Teawel, I believe he can be found on an island somewhere nearby where you would acquire a robe or tunic of Kael, Skyshrine or Thurgadin manufacture. Take one of those items and my token of service when you are ready and he shall share with you his newest creation, a robe or tunic of great power. If you are not satisfied with your robe or tunic, hand it to the Guardian of K'Arnon and he will exchange it for you.'

Raotin Teawel is on Aviak Island in Ocean of Tears at +1550, +4100 post-revamp. He didn't respond to hails or any sort of trigger phrase that I could think of, so I bit the bullet and handed him my Beguiler's Robe and the Token of Service from the assistant.

Raotin Teawel says 'Your promised reward.'

Int casters receive the Grand Robe of the Oracle and Wis casters receive the Grand Tunic of the Oracle. If you receive the incorrect reward (if someone has only partially completed the quest before you), you may hand in your reward for the alternate reward. The Plane of Growth Robe would not work for the quest.

Details on the tradeskills portion of the quest will be added as they become available. Assistant-given quest items appear to be returned if you fail the recipe.

Palatable Mana (Tradeskills Step 1: Brewing)

Quest item from assistant: Sea-Foam Sugar
Additional quest item: Moon-Harvested Grapes

The halfling mentioned by Assistant Jeyular after you hand in the Tome of Miragul is the "epicurean halfling," which may be found in Misty Thicket outside the wall at +885, +85. You must hail him during the daytime.

You say, 'Hail, epicurean halfling'

epicurean halfling says 'Hmmm. . . What? Oh sorry, I was snoozing. I was up throughout last night harvesting my [grapes] by the light of the moon.'

You say, 'What about your grapes?'

epicurean halfling says 'Why, my magic moon-harvested grapes, of course. I will give you some to sample if you would [help] me.'

You say, 'What help do you need?'

epicurean halfling says 'The specially-prepared soil that grows the vines for my grapes is becoming muddy again. I need more of the magical sand from the deserts of Ro to mix with my soil. Bring me that and I will give you some grapes.'

Give him Sand of Ro.

epicurean halfling says 'Thank you so much. Here are the grapes I promised you. They may not look like much, but master brewers tell me they are required for many magical wines, including some sought by the most powerful magic-workers.'

You receive Moon-Harvested Grapes. Note: you can still give him Sand of Ro at night to receive the grapes.

Experimentation has produced the following brewing recipes. Note that the sugar and grapes are NOT returned on combine.

Combine: Yeast + Moon-Harvested Grapes + Sea-Foam Sugar + Vial of Viscous Mana
Result: Vial of Palatable Viscous Mana
Effect: Palatable Viscous Mana

Combine: Yeast + Moon-Harvested Grapes + Sea-Foam Sugar + Vial of Cloudy Mana
Result: Vial of Palatable Cloudy Mana
Effect: Palatable Cloudy Mana

Combine: Yeast + Moon-Harvested Grapes + Sea-Foam Sugar + Vial of Clear Mana
Result: Vial of Palatable Clear Mana
Effect: Palatable Clear Mana

Combine: Yeast + Moon-Harvested Grapes + Sea-Foam Sugar + Vial of Distilled Mana
Result: Vial of Palatable Distilled Mana
Effect: Palatable Distilled Mana

Combine: Yeast + Moon-Harvested Grapes + Sea-Foam Sugar + Vial of Purified Mana
Result: Vial of Palatable Purified Mana
Effect: Palatable Purified Mana

Silk Insert (Tradeskills Step 2: Tailoring)

Quest item from assistant: Insert Pattern
Additional quest item: Stone Silk

Combine: Spiderling Silk + Spiderling Silk
Result: Silk Thread

Combine: Insert Pattern + 2 x Stone Silk + 4 x Silk Thread
Result: Silk Insert

The Stone Silk is an uncommon drop from Stone Spider in Nagafen's Lair, a.k.a. Sol B.

Soul Net (Tradeskills Step 3: Tailoring and Fletching)

Quest item from assistant: Incorporeal Bond
Additional quest items: Phase Spider Thread, Shadewood Clips

Combine: Phase Spider Silk + Phase Spider Silk
Result: Phase Spider Thread
Skill: Tailoring

Combine: Shadewood Bow Staff + Whittling Blade
Result: Shadewood Clips
Skill: Fletching

Combine: Incorporeal Bond + Phase Spider Thread + Shadewood Clips
Result: Soul Net
Skill: Fletching

Phase Spider Silk comes from phase spiders in Dragon Necropolis. The Shadewood Bow Staff and Whittling Blade are both storebought.

Crucible of Containment (Tradeskills Step 4: Pottery)

Quest item from assistant: Crucible Sketch

Combine: Crucible Sketch + Heavy Clay + Celestial Essence + Sculpting Tools + Spell: Bind Affinity
Result: Crucible of Containment
Skill: Pottery

Lid of the Phylactery (Tradeskills Step 5: Smithing)

Quest item from assistant: Clasp Mold
Additional quest item: Spiritual Anchor

Combine: Spell: Enchant Velium + Coldain Velium Temper + Small Piece of Velium + Small Piece of Velium
Result: Enchanted Velium Bits
Skill: Smithing

Combine: File + Clasp Mold + Spiritual Anchor + Enchanted Velium Bits
Result: Clasps of Sealing
Skill: Smithing

The Spiritual Anchor drops occasionally from the Ghoul of Takish-Hiz, a ghoul that wanders the Oasis of Marr and South Ro.

Blood-Lacquered Precious Garnet (Tradeskills Step 6: Jewelcrafting)

Quest item from assistant: None

Combine: Precious Garnet + Vial of Vampire Blood + Jar of Lacquer
Result: Blood-Lacquered Precious Garnet
Skill: Jewelcrafting

The Precious Garnet drops from Allizewsaur in the Ocean of Tears. The Vial of Vampire Blood drops from A Glyphed Ghoul in Mistmoore Castle. The Jar of Lacquer is storebought.

Complete the Phylactery

Quest item from assistant: Decorated Box
Additional quest items: Results of six previous tradeskill steps

Combine: Decorated Box + Palatable Purified Mana + Silk Insert + Soul Net + Crucible of Containment + Clasps of Sealing + Blood-Lacquered Precious Garnet
Result: Phylactery
Additional Result: Mana Crystals

There is no known use for Mana Crystals.

If you give your Phylactery to Assistant Jeyular:

Assistant Jeyular says 'Excellent work. There is only one slight error that I have now corrected for you.'

You receive a Dark Phylactery.

If you give your Dark Phylactery to Assistant Jeyular:

Assistant Jeyular says 'Ah, you wish to perform your own alterations? Very well.'

You receive the original Phylactery back.
Submitted by: Tiatiah Mariposa, KyrosKrane, numerous EQTraders people
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# Oct 22 2003 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
Anyone got a loc on dartain the lost in the hole?
RE: loc
# Oct 22 2003 at 10:08 PM Rating: Decent
As far as we can tell (we being the dozens of people working on this and posting on eqtraders) he no longer spawns, at least not in his old spot. Current theories floating around are that the Tome of Miragul is now a ground spawn somewhere in the Hole, drops off something else, or there is a line of text to trigger Dartain to spawn in his old spot. Play around with it and post your results here~
RE: loc
# Jun 07 2004 at 2:02 AM Rating: Default
had the tome drop on the way through the hole of a construct or one of those tin cans wasnt named that i could tell
Iksar start?
# Oct 22 2003 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
Okay where does an Iksar start without having to do faction?

Are we being put on the side again?

Karana Server
RE: Iksar start?
# Oct 23 2003 at 2:21 AM Rating: Excellent
385 posts
The only faction you need to be concerned with for this quest is the Oracle of K'arnon faction. I'm not positive, but I think that starts out as indifferent for everyone -- it would need to be tested. Head to the Ocean of Tears and con the Oracle. If you've never killed him, it's likely you won't have starting faction problems.

If you need to raise your faction with the Oracle, you can do the Book of Turmoil quest over and over and over, ad nauseum. Turn in the book to the Oracle, and you'll get a faction hit. If you're KoS to the Oracle, you can pacify him (using any of the high-level Pacification / Harmony / Wake of Tranquility line of spells) and do the turn in that way. You can trade with him from max range and he won't aggro on you. You'll still get the faction hit. If you charm him, you can do the turn in and get the reward; but you don't get faciton hits when doing a turn-in to a charmed mob.
Sir KyrosKrane Sylvanblade
Luclin (Veeshan) Server
Lord, Lightbringer, and Redeemer in the service of Erollisi Marr
Master Artisan (300 + GM Trophy in All)
Master Fisherman (200 + 5%) and maybe Master Drunk (2xx + 20%, too drunk to tell!)
possible value
# Oct 22 2003 at 12:26 PM Rating: Default
I look at it this way: You can use your normal robe/tunic during fights and then swap that out with this quest item for the FT4 during down time. As a hybrid, I carry a few different weapons to swap depending on the situation. Why can't others do the same with this armor?
RE: possible value
# Oct 22 2003 at 2:20 PM Rating: Default
Mana is the source of all power for casters. FT is very valuable, and I don't see any reason to swap this with anything, unless there's a clicky that must be worn to use. Then It would only be swaped long enough to use the clicky, then swaped back for the mana.
Every tick counts.
RE: possible value
# Oct 22 2003 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
Agreed. FT4 (lest folks forget) represents 40 mana/minute which in terms of LDON (easy benchmark) -- where fights last 30-60 seconds and are usually spaced somewhat evenly apart by about 30 seconds -- this would mean an extra nuke or heal every 5-10 fights. That ups damage or damage mitigation by a measurable amount.

In raid or LDON situations, I'll take that little bit of extra thank you very much! :)

Soloing, I might go for stats, but that's about it.
Plate or Chain Version?
# Oct 22 2003 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
Anyone know if there is a plate or chain version of the hand-in part of this quest? Just wondering if a melee class finished this quest and said "What way?" would he tell you to find a breastplate or chainmail from the stated areas instead of a robe or tunic??? I don't know about the rest of you but a bp or chainmail with FT4 on it would come in pretty handy, even if it only had 20ac....

Edited, Wed Oct 22 12:04:21 2003
RE: Plate or Chain Version?
# Oct 23 2003 at 1:59 AM Rating: Good
385 posts
As of yet, no melee class (or even a cleric, which is a plate class) has reported completing this quest. The text from the Oracle suggests that melee and hybrid classes do not get a robe-equivalent -- but that has yet to be tested.

Simply put, there aren't enough Tomes of Miragul floating around for everyone to start the quest now, let alone enough of the other books to complete it.

We still need a melee or hybrid class to complete the turn-ins and see what they get for the robe (if anything). We also need more work on the tradeskill combines to narrow down the missing recipes.

Edited, Thu Oct 23 02:44:58 2003
Sir KyrosKrane Sylvanblade
Luclin (Veeshan) Server
Lord, Lightbringer, and Redeemer in the service of Erollisi Marr
Master Artisan (300 + GM Trophy in All)
Master Fisherman (200 + 5%) and maybe Master Drunk (2xx + 20%, too drunk to tell!)
RE: Plate or Chain Version?
# Nov 19 2003 at 1:25 AM Rating: Good
385 posts
UPDATE Nov. 19, 2003: We've had multiple reports now suggesting that melees and hybrids do not get any reward from the robe turn-in. Clerics do get the Grand Tunic if they turn in their plate breastplate.

Edited, Wed Nov 19 01:26:01 2003
Sir KyrosKrane Sylvanblade
Luclin (Veeshan) Server
Lord, Lightbringer, and Redeemer in the service of Erollisi Marr
Master Artisan (300 + GM Trophy in All)
Master Fisherman (200 + 5%) and maybe Master Drunk (2xx + 20%, too drunk to tell!)
# Oct 22 2003 at 9:16 AM Rating: Default
Only part that needs to be changed is the books, i think. Says you have to give them in order or you dont get anything. What if you fail on a combine and you need piece from book again? Will have to collect all of them up to it.

And whats this other way? How do you get the token of service? =)
RE: .
# Oct 22 2003 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
As I find it unlikely you shall succeed in crafting a phylactery, and despite my payment in advice, allow me to thank you for your services in another [way].'

The Other Way

You say, 'What way?

That's the other way. The real reward for this quest is the recipe for making the phylactery. But the Oracle says he doesn't think it likely you will be able to succeed, so he also gives you the "other way" of being rewarded for all your work. When you say "What way" to him he then gives you the Token.

Also I *think* this quest operates on a kind of flag system. I think that's how they handle combine failures. That would be the one thing that would actually make this quest suck, if you had to re-do all the books to get back any part you failed on. Also, there is some though (actually I think it's been verified now that I think about it) that you get the no drop part from the Assistant back on a failed combine.. go check the message board at for details and the ongoing thread as this quest is worked through.

Edited, Wed Oct 22 11:48:19 2003
RE: .
# Oct 23 2003 at 2:11 AM Rating: Excellent
385 posts
Also I *think* this quest operates on a kind of flag system.

This is sort of correct. You don't get explicit flag messages like you do in the Planes or in Gukta (for the newbie quests). However, if you try to turn in a book ahead of schedule, you'll get a message from the assistant basically saying, "I haven't asked for this yet." He will hand back the book. If you turn in a second copy of a book you've already turned in, he'll accept it and presumably give you another no-drop component. The one person who tested this, though, still had the original component on him, and since the components are LORE, we can't tell whether the assistant tried to give him another one.

Also, there is some though (actually I think it's been verified now that I think about it) that you get the no drop part from the Assistant back on a failed combine..

Thus far, two of the steps have been failed. In both those cases, the no-drop component was returned on fail. We can presume (though, of course, it would be better to verify) that the no-drop component is always returned on a fail.
Sir KyrosKrane Sylvanblade
Luclin (Veeshan) Server
Lord, Lightbringer, and Redeemer in the service of Erollisi Marr
Master Artisan (300 + GM Trophy in All)
Master Fisherman (200 + 5%) and maybe Master Drunk (2xx + 20%, too drunk to tell!)
Patience grasshoppers
# Oct 22 2003 at 8:33 AM Rating: Excellent
Two things about the Tunic/Robe some of you folk seem to be focusing on:

1) The Tunic/Robe are said to be bugged, given FT in any form is an Effect, and not a Focus Effect. I believe this will be fixed in an upcoming patch. I would expect some alteration in the stats as well.

2) The Tunic/Robe ISN'T the point of the quest, merely the side reward. The point of the quest is the recipe for the Phylactery.

Wait till the quest is completed please before you start slinging around pomposity (is that a real word?).
RE: Patience grasshoppers
# Oct 22 2003 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
Actually other than the fact it is still broken, there is nothing wrong with this robe...yes, it's somewhat hard to get to, but so is your epic right? what's the difference, I would actually consider this a great item that is attainable easier to smaller guilds than many planar items. Questing is also respected, as it does take time. Some people don't care to just grind their way to rewards (aka LDoN)...questing can at least be somewhat fun. I know I'd love one of these (soon as bugs are fixed).

53 Dark Heretic
Company of Wolves

Edited, Wed Oct 22 12:03:17 2003
RE: Patience grasshoppers
# Oct 22 2003 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
The only part of the robe that is quested is getting your class specific Thurg, SS, or Kael armor. The rest is just handing it in to the npc in OOT. Once the get the effect fixed this will be a nice addition to my collection. Can't wait to see what the end result of the trade skill quest is.
#REDACTED, Posted: Oct 22 2003 at 7:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Total waste of Time. Unless there is more to it.
#REDACTED, Posted: Oct 22 2003 at 8:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I agree completely.
RE: What a Joke
# Nov 17 2003 at 8:47 PM Rating: Default
wth are you guys talkin about? this is a good chest piece, about your little "Dream" vindi bp it is 2hp a tick, this is 4mana a tick, you would get more mana per 60 seconds with FT4 than you would using cani and have 2hp regen
# Oct 22 2003 at 7:22 AM Rating: Decent
Has anyone tried to have one character hand in the chest item, and have another give the token in hopes that they would recieve the reward? I am going to try this today, will post result for anyone interested.
#REDACTED, Posted: Oct 22 2003 at 6:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) complete time sink, the rewards are inapropriate for the efforts needed
# Oct 21 2003 at 10:20 PM Rating: Decent
Props to whoever found all this stuff out =)
RE: yay
# Oct 22 2003 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
The original links to the discussions can be found

and here
...much thanks must go to KyrosKrane =D

Good luck all. =)

Edited, Wed Oct 22 20:49:35 2003
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