an old froglok  

Quest NPC

Uploaded July 24th, 2007

In Upper Guk: Enchanter; spawns as about 1280, 220, -95

In the Formal Dining Hall: Part of the anniversary task "Lucky 13" (see this quest entry for details).

In the Tower of Frozen Shadow: Part of the third encounter within the Tower of Frozen Shadow anniversary raid (see this quest entry for raid information).

Category: EverQuest
This page last modified 2012-03-23 03:54:46.

Level: 35
Expansion: Original
NPC Added: 0000-00-00 00:00:00
NPC Last Updated: 2022-01-22 18:44:20
Items Given:
icon Elf Essence Recipe

Known Habitats:
  Upper Guk
Factions Decreased:
  Frogloks of Guk -5
  Crown of Deceit

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# Mar 03 2012 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I sat in front of the placeholder for 28 minutes and ***POOF** the Froglok Ton Shaman despawned. 30 seconds later she was replaced by...........

a Froglok Ton Shaman...

Smiley: mad
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Faction problem ?
# Sep 18 2008 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
375 posts
His location is : 1281.93, 218.19, -94.22

In the north part of the zone (upper guk) there is a big "swiming pool" with an "island" in the middle and 3 frogs on it.
From the center, take the "bridge" to the south, jump down of swiming pool and go head.
You must see a lamp in the first corner with no frog in this corner.
Turn to the right and just befor the stairs there is another lamp in NW corner with a frog near it.
This is the place !

You dont have to kill it, this is not a "PH" but the place where the old frog pop every 40 min for 30 min.
You just have to wait and she will pop, YOU DONT HAVE TO KILL ANY FROGS !

Copy and paste this into the bottom of your guktop_1 map for his spawn point.
P -215.8420, -1267.6025, -97.9667, 0, 0, 0, 1, Old_Froglok

I am a dark elf from innoruuk (Evil race).
I have max my faction by killing undead frogs in lower guk.

Evil race + Scalp + faction maxed = Kindly
Good race + max faction = Ally

Then if you are an evil race, you MUST use "Scalp of the Ghoul Lord" from "the ghoul lord" in lower guk AND a light race illusion.
Cookie, Antonius Bayles rangeress
Faction problem ?
# Dec 12 2022 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
14 posts
Comment: I believe that deity affects faction too.

Gnome worshiping Bertox and max faction can only get to kindly (501, require +249 to warmly). With Scalp (+250) gets you to Warmly. No illusion required.
Faction problem ?
# Nov 23 2009 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
6 posts
OK first off ... you rock ... perfect location and directions.

Just maxed my faction, read your post, checked and he was there.

Went to get the stuff out of bank to do turn ins and such ... come back and he was gone ... so waiting him out ....

**A note on faction.

I am an Ogre ShadowKnight of RZ.

Max'ed faction + Scalp brought me to Ally.

But as soon as he pops again ... still going to use a wood elf illusion potion.

Not takeing any chances.

Again ... thanks for the info.


OK ... took him a little over an hour to re pop ... mob in his place just disapeared and 10 sec or so later ... Pop ... there he was.

WOOT!!! An now the proud owner of a CoD

Edited, Nov 23rd 2009 6:25pm by Sepcieulus
Faction problem ?
# Sep 01 2009 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
18 posts
thanks for the info! i was under the impression that the other frog was his PH. and i didn't even think of using an illusion to help faction, i was max at kindly with scalp (
found answer
# Aug 01 2008 at 2:09 PM Rating: Default
184 posts
found answer

Edited, Aug 1st 2008 10:58pm by Trabik
# Mar 28 2008 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
Ok some useful info would help alot like 1 main thing. whats his PH?? where does he spawn at whats waite timer? everything somone needs to know. ty
# Feb 05 2008 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
40 posts
I can't seem to find him :( Can anyone help? He's not marked on my map.

edit: lawlz nvm i found him :)

Edited, Feb 5th 2008 11:18pm by Voodoman
Still Spawns
# Jul 26 2007 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
I just went there to see if he could be charmed and the loc and timing below seems correct still. He popped after a 5 minute wait. Bard attempted to charm and got message saying "This NPC can't be charmed". Too bad, would have saved a ton of factioning.
Spawn broken?
# Jun 12 2007 at 8:43 PM Rating: Decent
80 posts
I sat at the right spot for 3 hours and he didn't spawn. Went right ot hte right /loc from below and the spot on the map - had the right PH. He just never spawned in 3 hours? he broken?
Feral pack, no more faction mods?
# Nov 17 2006 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
Got all the items for my rogue and headed to Guk. Had a druid hit me with Feral Pack and there was no faction mod at all. Still dubious. Barb Rogue of Bristlebane. Also tried all my illusion masks (Halfling, Vah Shir, and skele) that might help with faction but no luck. Guess its undead frog killing time.
Feral pack, no more faction mods?
# Jan 07 2007 at 10:50 AM Rating: Decent
73 posts
Wolf form had it's faction removed with TSS because of the problems it caused. You can no longer raise faction with wolf form.
Feral pack, no more faction mods?
# Dec 22 2006 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
Feral Pack would NEVER move a good race from Dubious to Warmly. Feral Pack mod raised dark races to the faction of a light race with a light deity. No one could ever go from Dubious (starting faction) to Warmly without faction work. Read the posts below, the evils had to raise faction to at least Indifferently to get it up to Warmly with Feral Pack.
feral pack
# Jul 10 2006 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
145 posts
agnostic ogre, indiff to warmly via feral pack

Ally = 1450 to 2500
Warmly = 1100 to 1450
Kindly = 750 to 1100
Amiable = 150 to 750
Indifferent = 0 to 150
Apprehensive = 0 to -150
Dubious = -150 to -750
Threateningly = -750 to -1100
Ready to Attack = -1100 to -2500
# Sep 07 2005 at 4:19 AM Rating: Decent
Okay, I am a level 70 Iskar necro. I have killed plenty in Lguk during the fabled camps 2 years in a row now, also been all over killing in Old Sebelis for DoN cult armor quests, must have atleast 3000 factions hits and i am still KoS to the damn Frogs in Upper Guk, WTH. ANyway any ideas?
RE: Faction
# Feb 05 2006 at 5:14 AM Rating: Good
If you're still KoS it just means you havent killed enough. Keep killing frogs (I suggest in sebilis) and you should max it out at indiff. Then scalp of the ghoul lord and a good race illusion should take you to warmly (need both). Worked for my troll innoruuk shaman, and trolls are about as hated by frogloks as you can get.

Edited, Sun Feb 5 04:14:56 2006
RE: Faction
# Aug 20 2008 at 7:24 AM Rating: Decent
633 posts
I think what he is trying to say by using the "... over 3000" number is: if you plug it into the faction table he should be well out of the two KoS categories. So his question becomes: Why isn't he? / Does anything else apply?
RE: Faction
# Sep 09 2005 at 5:35 AM Rating: Good
Because you have a deity. The deity you worschip can be indentified by any mob, no matter whyt illusion you wear, and there are certain max faction you can achive in certain combinations, sorry.

This is the main reason, why an Enchanter should be agnostic always.
iksar cazic thule worshiper
# Aug 23 2005 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
19 posts
Today (23rd august 05) i (iksar bst that worships cazic thule) completed the quest.
I was at dubious faction with the frogs and with ghoul lord scalp and wolf form i conned warmly.
Hope that helps some others out there.
Map location
# Aug 09 2005 at 8:30 AM Rating: Default
Copy and paste this into the bottom of your guktop_1 map for his spawn point.

P -215.8420, -1267.6025, -97.9667, 0, 0, 0, 1, Old_Froglok
feral pack
# May 14 2005 at 10:56 PM Rating: Decent
the feral pack spell is a indoor wolf form druid only is bought with ldon points but! You MUST be like halfway through amiable for it to get you to kindly... it is something like 1.5 or 1.7 faction lvls because i tried it only one kill into amiable and it only got me to kindly i spent like 30 more minutes in Lguk... by the way im a warrior lvl 68 and so i cant pull a big train... so i fought maybe 30 minutes and went back to the old froglok... and i was warmly and got my crown... i hope this helps! =P
# Mar 04 2005 at 5:21 PM Rating: Default
here is what i did killed **** load of Lguk mobs *obvious* used cleric and Mage to ae about 10-20 at a time ,would just run around and tag as many as i could--broke the zone into 3 pulls--camp was *safe Hall* Pulled everything from safehall to Frenzy including all mobs withing the tw close rooms by SH that have about 8 mobs total---Pull 2 consests of everything from SH to Ghuol Lord-not as many mobs but they sting a little more-Last pull is the hardest and i aways got a HOT= before starting-next pull is everything left including all mobs up top Assasin ect--From assasin camp keep going like heading out stop when you see the 2 mobs that stand at the steps to the way back to zoneTag the 3 wizzys in corner and drop down right side-Bamm your back at SH--now you'll be at about 20% life lol--you'll have about 30-45 seconds to be healed HOT ONLY or all those mobs will toast cleric// Remember to Loot the * Scalp of Ghoul Lord* Bumbs ya up 1 faction notch--I then tested illusions a bit--Erud-1/2'ing--Human-HE--Dwarf--ALL raised it another faction standing---total time 5 hours on faction---Reet crown-OMG what a PITA -tried get to camp Me and Cleric-Shroom adds galore-woulda been ok but 4 preist all healing eachother--^%$% comon!!after smoked 7 of them we finally ran outa health and mana -* good 30 minute fight* cleric had no c3 just regular mana buffs and FT(mana reg maxed)- ok so summoned bodies in Lobby and rezed--Added some troops *thnx Eritam,Syber,Ninjello,Lilenyia,Sweet,Milloh-was cakewalk got down to near trak in like 15 min..oh trak was up we smoked him aftr clearing--9 Hours on Reet to drop---did make **** load cash and spells bout 4k each. ok got reet-got faction--bought rest of supplies--so hardest part done--wrong 13 hours LFTAILOR found one finally *Flex Physt* 266 ish skill if i remember -***** it i went for it--failed--5k down--he had salvage 3 so only lost 3 furs 4500pp-ran to bazar bought 3 more rinse repeate ** winner** so now ima sitting at guess where--yup Uguk on 5th hour here waiting on Old Wart--ops sec he just spawnd lmao--ok got my crown--done ******** and moaning--anyhoot--if your not a freak like me and dont HAVE to have -I DO NOT recomend this TIME SINK !!!!!!! Oh and i do recomend if ya do decide to do it wait tell 60;s at least--p.s wrote this after 19 hours eq so umm hope some/any of it helps somebody--anybody has question feel free send me tell--always willing to help if i am free --

Romulas warrior 68 *267a
Bugsy Cleric 65 *79
Exodusclan Ench 66 *214a
Exodusfrog Wiz 69 *298a

^^^^^Morden Rasp ^^^^
Promdate Berser 70 *74a
Havdagger Rogue 65 *37a
Jinjuice Shamy 62 *19a gf's
Sweet Cleric 69 *62a gf's

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Edited, Fri Mar 4 17:30:33 2005
LOC on this frog?
# Sep 10 2004 at 10:36 AM Rating: Decent
414 posts
Does anyone know the LOC of this Frog.?

Is he on a spawn cycle or pretty much up all the time?

Thank you for any info.
Tribunal Server
RE: LOC on this frog?
# Oct 04 2004 at 8:45 AM Rating: Excellent
37 posts
1280, 210 is accurate. Here is a picture of my map when I camped him. Map PH was a froglok ton shaman. You don't have to kill the PH, an old froglok will take his place every hour. If you kill the PH you will recieve bad faction. The respawn time is about 30 minutes and is not gauranteed to be the old froglok.

Edited, Mon Oct 4 10:53:47 2004
# Sep 09 2004 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
You faction people are all wrong-I am a 65 chanter-I have Perm illusion AA<allows me to keep an illusion even after i zone or camp> so I always have wolf form on-I dont have run 3 and it alows me to not worry about sow wearing off. I conned indif to the uper and lower guk frogs-when Oldie froggie spawned, I cast COLABORATION on him, making me amiable to the frogs, and he still wouldt talk to me-in fact the **** took my picture book. Off to go kill in Seb
RE: faction
# Oct 23 2004 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
16 posts
Got faction to amiable, got indoor pack wolf form from a druid and that took me to warmly. Got crown no problem.
RE: faction
# Oct 04 2004 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
37 posts
Faction needs to be warmly or above. Warmly is one step below ally. So amiable still means he won't talk to you. As a bard, I sang Cinda's Charismatic Carrilon (alliance song), borrowed a druid friend for 'feral pack' (indoor wolf form) and then used an ornate velium pendant (4 charge "alliance" [chanter spell] clicky). The pendant didn't seem to work. I got no spell cast message at all, yet my charges on the item when down. I thought I would be back in lguk factioning again, but then remembered my puretone discipline. I popped that and it took me to warmly.

Edited, Mon Oct 4 11:04:12 2004
Feral Pack
# Aug 16 2004 at 10:32 PM Rating: Default
It was said earlier that feral pack raises faction. Today, august 16th 2004, this trick worked for me. For my friend it raised from dubiously to amiably, for me from kindly to ally.
# Mar 24 2004 at 10:31 PM Rating: Excellent
71 posts
I am a lizzy war who just spent 4 days ( a few hours everyday ) in LGuk factoning. I had never hunt in both of the Guk zones previously and I very rarely hunt in Seb in my entire EQ career. This made me KoS to the max towards all the froglok kinds right from the start I assumed.

I maxed my faction towards the Frogloks of Guk yesterday, with the message saying my faction with the Frogloks of Guk can't get any better. Here are a couple of things I noticed..

1. I con Indifferent to the Old Froglok without the Scalp of the Ghoul Lord nor any illusion.

2. Once I wear the Scalp, Old Froglok cons Amiably to me.

Now the interesting part:

I took off the Scalp then take a zip of the Essence of Gukta ( Froglok illusion potion ), Old Froglok now cons Kindly to me.

After that, I put on the Scalp again. Old Froglok cons Warmly.

This means that Froglok illusion does help with faction. Some of the posts said it won't work. And better get a Human illusion. Misleading info.

I will try to get a human illusion and con the Old Frog again and see.

Mith Marr
RE: Faction
# Jul 28 2004 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
I'm a Dark elf Necro that worships Innoruuk.

Without Scalp Equipped I am amiable
With Scalp equipped I am also amiable.

I bought a Guktan illusion potion thinking like the above post it would push me to warmly, unfortunatly it only pushed me to kindly with scalp equipped.

I went back again with a human illusion potion. Without the scalp I still conned amiable, and with it I conned Kindly, just like the guktan illusion potio.

So beware if you have an evil deity. I believe we have to work harder hehe.

So back to Lguk hhehe.

Another thing. I didnt want to ruin my faction, so I was sitting at the spawn spot, and running over another character to kill the Place holder. But before I could get my other character there the PH despawned, and the old frog popped even before I killed anything. So maybe it automatically has a chance to despawn every 30 mins.
RE: Faction
# Dec 22 2006 at 6:57 AM Rating: Decent
You must have missed where the Iksar warrior stated that they received the message "your faction cannot possibly get any better" thus meaning they had maxed their faction.
# Feb 08 2004 at 7:29 AM Rating: Decent
Just got my crown today. Whole quest took me 4 days. After I got the crown, I killed that old fool. Ghoul Lord you can have your scalp back, frogs will be killed indiscriminately as usual.

Incredible One 65 Feral Lord VS-server
# Oct 27 2003 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
Anyone have an idea about the best place to increase the faction with this frog ?
Lguk, Seb ? or others places ?
RE: Faction
# Nov 16 2003 at 7:32 AM Rating: Decent
by far its lguk just for the speed you can ae kill the frogs there.
Evil races..
# Jul 27 2003 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
I have killed undead frogs for days.. I finally got my 'Frogloks of Guk' faction topped out, but I am still only "Kindly" with my scalp on and amilable with it off.
I'm a Innoruuk following dark elf necromancer.. is there any hope for me? or was all my factioning a waste of time...

Nura V`Chillis, Arch Lich
RE: Evil races..
# Jul 28 2003 at 10:39 PM Rating: Decent
An update..

I read a related board about rogue using illusions to improve his faction..
I purchased a human illusion potion and it raised my faction to warmly freeing my way to get elf essence recipe..

Now just need reet crown. :)

He do have PH
# Jul 25 2003 at 2:39 AM Rating: Default
He DO have a PH , I went there today and see a shaman frog , I am ally to them so I killed it , after half hr An Old Froglok pop and I got my crown. The Location is right tho. Just dont be confused when u saw something but himself.
# Jul 23 2003 at 6:09 PM Rating: Decent
The position at (1280, 210) is correct. But Old Froglok is not permarooted. Spawm time is correct.

Sneak and Hand in the Book for Crown of Deceit Quest does not work :(
Evil Evil Necromancer
# Jun 10 2003 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
Ok i want to do this quest but i still dont really get a couple things

1. i need faction,cloak, and crown to do the quest?
2.were in seb does the crown drop if i need it?
3.what is the highest i can get my faction to with out ant items??
4.if i get the max i can have and then have the scalp from the ghoul lord and projected illusion of froglok from a chanter will i be able to do this quest!!!
# May 12 2003 at 11:16 PM Rating: Excellent
1,291 posts
an old froglok spawns in Upper Guk at (1280, 210) - a bend in the hallway north of the summoner/priest room. He spawns automatically, there is no need to kill the placeholder. He spawned while I was there, stayed up for 40 minutes, then despawned for 30 minutes before respawning. So it looks like a 1:10 spawn cycle, or about 1 game day, but it is not a specific time of day.

He casts enchanter spells but does not have a pet. He is perma-rooted; doesn't move.

You need warmly faction with Frogloks of Guk to talk to him and do his quest.

Edited, Tue May 13 01:11:03 2003
# Oct 23 2015 at 10:57 PM Rating: Good
30 posts
FYI the spawn is every 25 minutes and the froglok shaman can respawn over and over. I have seen him spawn 3 times and will now kill it and see if thw old froglok will spawn. Will update if true.
# Oct 23 2015 at 11:15 PM Rating: Good
30 posts
Well, I waited 15 minutes and the shaman respawned NOT old froglok. So it looks like it is just a waiting game for Oldie.Don't kill the shaman as it will hurt your faction. You want min. warmly to do quest and if you are close to the faction on low side, you may drop below. -3 per hit BTW
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