Runebranded Girdle

# May 07 2001 at 11:46 AM Rating: Default

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1) In a group of strangers (non guild, non friends): Unless it's a CLASS specific item that drops, it should be randomed by ALL in the group.

2) In a group of guildmates or friends, then it will usualy be NBG on all items, and only roll if multiple chars can use the item.

That is the ONLY fair way to do it. The people that confuse me are the ones that agree that the FBSS should be rolled on by all, yet the RBG should not. When asked why the reply with, "Because it's worth a lot more and is rarer." Who is the REAL greedy person here? So when the item is worth more many folks' true greed shines through, and it's very sad. ANY item is of equal use to ANY class. If it can't be used by that specific char, it can be traded for something that can be of use. Another way to help looting problems is to hold all items till the end then roll, and hopefully prevent some problems by having enough items for everyone to get something. To prevent looting problems PERIOD, your first question should be to any group leader, "How will looting be handled?" If you don't agree, then look for another group. 'Nuff said.

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 30 2001 at 9:21 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hehehheh

#Anonymous, Posted: May 07 2001 at 11:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) NBG ONLY works if you're in a regular group, or camping something specific with friends or guild. Why? Simple...there is literally No way for everyone to camp for everything they need. Whats the one thing everyone needs? PLAT. What's the only way to get it? (realistically, not talking about trade skills, here) LOOT. If something's no drop, hell, only the peeps that can use should roll, sure, but are you seriously going to state that a caster cannot use the 9k that an FBSS can bring these days? What the heck did you think that enchanter was doing in guk, anyway, grouping with you for giggles? I'm part of a guild that started out just a few friends who knew each other in real life, and we group together when we can. It is NBG on certain items, and we roll on others. But let me tell you, the casters in our guild have a tough time....We have no problem getting our younger guildmates basic melee equipment, but for the casters the only way to do so is to sell the extra ry'gor or whatever we've been looting.

PRICE

# Apr 25 2001 at 1:26 PM Rating: Default

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price is wrong sells on Quellious for 70k and up

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 25 2001 at 4:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I saw this lvl 33 warrior wearing cobalt bp, helm, bracers, gaunts and vambs. Mithril greaves, and a runebranded girdle. He also had a lamentation and a scim of emerald dawn. Twink-o-mighty!

Glace 56 shaman

# Apr 24 2001 at 7:41 AM Rating: Default

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ok people think about it a warrior comes to seb for his first time hes weilding 2 yaks becuase hes been loosing all his lotos to casters.(yea bad luck but it happens)the chanter charms a krup the charm breaks and chanter says just kill it> WHO THE HECK is gona tuant this off you the warrior with the yaks? i dont think so! and then the cleric heals and gains agro,now the warrior feals bad becuase he cant tuant the stuff off you...WOW an RBG drops the chanter wins that>>>WOW a lamy drops the cleric wins that...in the mean time the warrior still sux....is it his fualt he never used EBAY? JUST something to think about

P.S. grats gimps!!!

#Anonymous, Posted: May 08 2001 at 11:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) and then you woke up. be for real or atleast make a situation that might happen. we all can make outrageous stories ie... ok ppl picture the enchanter wearing a FBR (his int with all his gear and buffs 193) gets in the disco1 camp grumplenort spawns war wins the bonecaster robe, enchanter still 193int stupid war doesnt listen to enchanter call out LOM so he pulls anyways get 3 mobs enchanter mezzes one mob but goes oom because of a resist on second mob after the first heal the unmezzed mob kills the cleric leading to whole group wipe out. enchanter still wearing his FBR..... is it his fault he never used EBAY? just something to think about

#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 04 2001 at 4:59 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) my friends there is a difference between casters and tanks for rolling for gear....anyone who played a warrior as their first character hears me....as a caster even with mid lvl gear has 200 int by lvl 40, wis casters are harder to "max" still not tramatic....and well after that it's all pretty, they don't hafta care bout gear much....warriors do, better gear = better warrior...and all warriors have pain realated to bad gear and seeing drops go to the other classes, and in turn will never roll on the caster's "Robe of Uberness, Wand of Neener Neener"

IMAO

# Apr 24 2001 at 7:35 AM Rating: Default

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hey for the 47 SK who won the mana robe DUDE your 47 ill bet you have never even seen trak! anyone that would invite a 47 SK on a pickup trak kill is retarded! thx EBAY for creating more noobs like this.....

Loot Wars

# Apr 20 2001 at 1:50 PM Rating: Default

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I am sorry, but if a class specific item drops and I have that class in my group and the item that drops is better than what they have, they're gonna get it. We're all adults here (or should be but from a lot of posts and interaction in the game some of you have to be kids or just really socially immature) and I would rather help someone out who can use it than let someone hoard it to sell later. Furthermore, if an item does drop usuable by more than one person, I also believe that only those that really need it should roll. Each situation of course should be evaluated seperately of course, such as pickup groups and what not but if I am camping Gems in CS and someone shouts for a group and I invite them in well then heck no yer not gonna roll on my armor gems if your a caster just so you can turn around and sell it back to me! Those type of people are gonna die in my group rather then me waist my LOH on em cause hey, I might need it for myself later right? Greed is not a nice thing for anyone.

Caste/Tank loot war

# Apr 19 2001 at 9:36 PM Rating: Default

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Well well well..... There are A LOT of different perspectives to take when it comes to who thinks they should get what item, or wether or not you think they should get to roll. I myself play a 51 Dwarf Warrior on the Innoruuk server which i am very proud of. I have seen Lamentations drop and pass me by...Cobalt Boots drop when I, the only warrior in the group of casters, was made to roll along side them and enevitably lose.... I was extremely pissed at first to see how me being level 51 and in need of the boots, class specific with great stats and effect i might add, had to roll on them, and a 55 cleric won them in the end. I mean in some aspects I should have gotten them, atleast in my perspective and many other tank players out there. But also many casters say they they get screwed when it comes to loot, so all is fair , even when they cant use the item... I dont know if I was a caster if i would think the same though.... but I do know that 99.9% of the time I am grouped with casters, and tank equip drops wich i am made to roll for , they usually win.. How this is i have no clue. I hardly see a caster that doesnt have the best equip they should have at that level and enough to go around for a few twinks..They I myself as a tank know it is damn hard to get equip I need. I mean I am 51, have 0 cobalt, use a guardian sword adn mudman enforcer for my weapons, and never seem to get what i need. Most of the tanks I see that are decked out usually have a caster as their main...I guess the point I am trying to make is that even though casters say they get "loot screwed" when it comes to drops, they usually win the tanks items and trade them for an uber caster item or two. Maybe the solution is to make a caster so i can also sit back and win the random on the tank loot I really need. But when it comes down to it, casters easilly get better equip than tanks, even if they dont realize it..So all the complaining about them never getting to random because none of it for their class is crap, because they always GET to random and most of the time WIN the random...

-Tabias Sunderfury- <Fortress of honor>
51 Warrior on Innoruuk

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 28 2001 at 11:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) yes there is a big loot war going on and mainly because zones are unbalanced on loot

Greed

# Apr 16 2001 at 3:41 AM Rating: Default

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I am disgusted by how greedy people are in this GAME. I play a warrior, and unless every caster in my group has a caster item dropped, I would never even TRY to roll on it. I think EverQuest is a wonderful game, but 99% of the time people and their greed ruin any fun I am having. If you are grouping with someone, they are most likely near your level. This means in the future you could very well end up in another group with that same person. On a large raid, the chance of seeing them again is even greater. You are going to feel pretty stupid when an uber mob with something YOU need slips away from your raid party because you took an item someone else needed for a quick profit. A tank lasting one more round of combat, doing just a little more damage, or a cleric casting one more heal can be the difference between success and failure.

#Anonymous, Posted: May 07 2001 at 3:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Think about it. Why does the caster want to make a "quick profit"? So HE can buy/trade for something equally wonderful that he happens to be able to use. Your argument that the caster taking a tank item lowers the overall effectiveness of likely future group mates is silly. If it's tank equip it's gonna end up on a tank somewhere, maybe after a trade or two. You only think it's greed when someone else happens to get something you want.

RE: Greed

# Apr 24 2001 at 12:38 AM Rating: Default

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There are 5000 people on my server, and maybe 20K characters.

Maybe I'll group with any given one of them again, and maybe I won't. Will I be sorry if I won a zillion pp item instead of awarding it to them? Uh, no.

They can elect not to group with me in the future if they don't think that my class ought to have had a chance to get an item for which everyone fought. That will be the price I pay.

I can live with that.

Geez

# Apr 13 2001 at 8:32 AM Rating: Default

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Geez.... emotoins run high I guess with you all.

you all need a valium.

Deivas LVL51 warrior
Bristel Bane
Sylver Gryphon Brotherhood

Hey have a great day...=)

RE: Geez

# Apr 13 2001 at 8:32 AM Rating: Default

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Doh....type "O" sorry

pffff

# Apr 13 2001 at 2:44 AM Rating: Default

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FYI: If someone is good enough to die to get an item, they're good enough to roll on it. I can understand NO DROP and class specific items, but gimme a break, everyone has to wait for what they want, why should anyone be excepted from that?

NBG rules before not after

# Apr 10 2001 at 4:10 PM Rating: Default

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As many posters have said here before...Need Before Greed rules agreed on before the first pull or EVERYBODY gets a roll on the items. This is nothing new. I am a warrior and I have 3 other characters, some twinked. If I join a "pick up" group in Seb and that group was already there fighting, I expect absolutely zero except a fair chance at good stuff regardless of whether it benefits me more or not. Ask what the loot and roll rules are BEFORE engaging NOT after somethin drops and then have the balls to complain that they didn't give you somethin you need more than they? HA! The only thing you needed or deserve is a CHANCE by roll!

Now as for the person that stated that warriors got new equipment as opposed to casters. I agree but have you seen what needs to be accomplished to get this new equipment? I don't think you have. I said "seen" not "read". Alot of times reading doesn't put things into perspective.

Hasta, RW

Interesting exchange on NBG versus All Roll here...

# Apr 08 2001 at 1:17 AM Rating: Default

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If you want the rights to loot best in class items, adventure with:

1. Your friends.
2. Your guild.

If you are a melee in a pickup group with five strangers and a very valuable melee item drops that is unarguably best for your class, should you expect the strangers to give it to you? They don't know you. In fact, they may never fight alongside you again.

People who *expect* items to be awarded to them among strangers when NBG hasn't been established when the group forms are frankly, IMHO, out of their gourd.

Yes yes, in an ideal world we would all treat each other as brothers and sisters, and would be happy to give items to those who can best use them. This is *not* that world. Get over it.

If you're worried about the RBG being wasted, ninety nine times out of a hundred it'll end up being used by a melee. It just won't be you, it'll be the caster's twink or a guildy. They fought for it too, they earned the right to roll for it and they *won the roll*. If you had won the roll, you wouldn't be whining here. Go win the roll on a herio cloak and trade them, you know you roll on those ("but they're nice for melees too, waah").

It's greedy for them to want to roll. It's greedy for you to demand the item. Move along, nothing more to see here...

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 10 2001 at 12:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I won $21 million in the Texas Lottery today! Wooohoooo! (Well, actually, there were 8 people who got all 6 numbers, but the state decided that I needed it most, so instead of dividing it equally, they gave the entire jackpot to me.)

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 09 2001 at 4:10 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Dude ya need to go into counseling. You way too wrapped up in thinkin youre mister fix it .

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 05 2001 at 12:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Okay just read a lot of threads with caster classes, especially clerics, saying yes I deserve a shot at this item because I will use it woo!

A shame!

# Apr 05 2001 at 6:27 AM Rating: Default

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Wilene 57 warrior on karana

my group war (me)
cleric
chanter
druid
wiz

i have lost the lotto on it, the cleric got it, they don't even let me switch i have a sash of the dragon born another very nice item but low ac (2) and no stats.
The cleric asked me minutes before to help her for her cleric epic quest, my answer was yes of course, i know her since a long time (18 months).
she lottoed to give it to her ranger, the druid another ingame friend rolled for her lvl 30 monk!

If i begin to roll items for my remaining characters i should roll for ALL items!

but i will not of course...

I have lost a belt and 2 friends

Makes you wonder about people

# Apr 03 2001 at 1:29 AM Rating: Good

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Just tongiht my friend was in Seb and a Bonecasters robe dropped. 2 casters in group, the other caster already had a Bonecaster on. Group gave the robe to my friend, 53 chanter who was wearing a Crystalline Robe. They didn't blink, he could and would wear it and didn't have on yet, he got the item. One hour after he tells me this, I am in Gfay and I see someone auctioning robe for 11k. 11000 is not chump change. These people who had never met my friend before let him have an item that made him more effective, it is much simpler than rolling and trading. You see, a good group can move about, and not have to 'camp' an item. You kill things, you get loot, people who need it use it, you move on. I think there was a ranger in the group, he said they were moving down to where Tolans Bracer would drop. You get what you give, pure and simple. I will tell you what, I drooled when the Maestro of Rancor dropped the Shield of the Stalwart Seas in hate the other night, there were no Erudite Palys there. We had an open roll for a tradable item worth 15k, I of course lost, with nearly 30 people there, oh well, it was fun. It was a pickup raid too, but you better believe if there had been someone who could use it there, he would have gotten it, no question. Just because it only took 6 people to get something, doesn't mean you have MORE rights to something that you won't use for yourself. Just because you don't know the other 30 people you are with, doesn't give you any more right to other classes loots either. When NO DROP loot drops, pay attention, if you are rolling so you can get 2 more ac or whatnot, but your planar gear is better etc, but someone else wants in on it and it is nearly the best item of that type they will EVER see (for their class), then you are being selfish. The self does not do these things, it is the group, and even if you do not know those in your group tonight, you are always in a group, and you should treat that group with dignity and respect. On my server, if a Shadowknight rolled for a Manna Robe and won, he would be blacklisted by all of the major guilds. Think about it.

Feliciana Whisperleaf 51 Wanderer
Feliciahna Whisperkatt 52 Champion
Rodcet Nife

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# May 09 2001 at 6:05 PM Rating: Default

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From the standpoint that the best guilds SHOULD be comprised of the best players, and good players behave as they SHOULD, then yes, I agree with this guy. I believe loot SHOULD work like this:

If the item is no-drop, then everyone who can equip it SHOULD have an equal opportunity for it. Guilds sometimes use a point system, and groups sometimes use a random roll, but however it is done it should be fair.

If the item can be equipped by only one person in the group who helped to get it, then that player SHOULD get to equip it. Yeah, maybe everyone else could sell or trade the item for something they can equip, but that is something I would not do because I would not feel right about it.

If the item can be equipped by more than one person in the group, then those people SHOULD have an equal opportunity for it.

If an item can NOT be equipped by anyone in the group, then that person or persons SHOULD NOT even consider trying to get it.

In other words, taking an item to sell or give to a twink is something that SHOULD NOT be done if someone in that group can equip the item right then and there. It is just not right. If anybody can simply not understand this concept, then you are indeed placing greed before need.

In any case, you should understand the loot rules of the group you are with before any item drops. If you can't abide by the group decision then just go somewhere else.

RE: Makes you wonder about people

# Apr 13 2001 at 7:37 PM Rating: Default

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#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 13 2001 at 7:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If all the guilds on your server would blacklist someone for winning a roll on an item they dont need than your server is a PoS filled with a bunch of f&$#ing morons who forget this is a game....

#REDACTED, Posted: Mar 31 2001 at 3:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Come on.. name me ONE tank.. who can stand there an solo this.. without pulling the whole room.. you NEED others.. others need cash.. you need item.. it's a group effort... therefore a group reward.. only way you will get roll by need basis is if you camp it with ur guild.. if you dont have a guild willing to help you get such an item.. then ur in the wrong guild.. and please do not shout that I am just a caster.. cuz I'm not.. I am a Shadow Knight lacking any haste items.. and have lost on this 4 times to casters.. yeah I get upset.. but it is such sweet revenge when they they open lotto caster gear.. and I walk away with a mana robe.. (Oh did I say that outloud???) Funniest thing to do a Open raid on trak where it's not just one guild.. I swear they was going to kill me.. :P

RE: OMG this board is hilarious

# Apr 13 2001 at 1:49 PM Rating: Default

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I would like to say... That in groups yes its fine to do that and random it for all for group effort.... BUT something like this.. that is just TERRIBLE... i mean come on you need 55k? wtf for.... the MAIN warriros need it to USE not to sell or give to twink... if they become more powerful your *** is saved me... IMO I am a caster and would GLADLY rather a warrior in need get it than my greedy ***... need before greed HAS to start in groups more often... its sad to see so many warriors lose a FBSS something that every twink has... but still sad a main cannot get it cause one of us is there camping it... and go ahead and solo for it i dont care... but if a warrior needs i say it should be theirs or roll between the wars and etc.... so peace out

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 05 2001 at 6:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you are a cleric and a warrior want to roll for a cleric BEST item you will be mad and sad...

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 16 2001 at 10:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL...looks like some people didn't win their roll and are now having a pity-party!

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 15 2001 at 11:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Does it say "no drop"????...NO! it doesn't. If an item drops why leave others out...caster, melee...everyone puts in the same amount of effort...so everyone should get a chance to have it...now you assume that i am a caster...sure..at first...but now i have a rockin tank...but i still wouldn't want to take an item just because i am a tank...now who is being greedy? I know many of you don't like twinks...but till it says "no drop"...Twink on! Oh, remember...just a game.

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 04 2001 at 3:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok, I am one that doesn't side with either arguement. The smartest thing that i can see any group doing is decide BEFORE camping an area whether its need before greed or free for all rolling. If anyone has a problem with the rest of the group, then its an easy fix to boot them out and find a replacement. If you all decided beforehand, what's to argue about?

bah

# Mar 29 2001 at 6:17 AM Rating: Default

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look, i fully believe that if a peice of gear drops the people who can and will use it should get to roll and no one else. Why? Because they would use it. Casters ***** a lot about not having the cash to buy whatever and want to roll on melee items. They get mad ans say stuff like, "well how am i supposed to get money?" A necro said that, I told his dumbass to go make 5k a day camping ice giants and back up off my jade mace. Whoever can use an item should get to roll on it and no one else. If someone claims need and then sells that item then they suck but you have to live with that, sucks? yes it does....but remember...just a game

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 04 2001 at 6:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 5K a day...hmmm, if the posted price is correct, that would be 13 DAYS of camping ice giants for the value of this one item. Many of "my" items cost in this range and are rare drops. I have to agree, all in on raid get to roll (unless no drop). I am a 51 necro and i have never been able to make close to 5k a day. Need vs Greed? look at the loot tables for any given zone 2:1 or more in favor of mele. Some zones have nothing but sellable loot for casters...e.g City of mist.

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 10 2001 at 5:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) All you tanks out there saying I get this first, I have to agree with the casters saying camp and roll. Just because you can use it, doesn't mean that its yours, I put forth a hell of a lot more then you do. I gotta blow out thousands of damage and keep a pet in line, while you hit hit hit hit ***** about not getting a buff, bust the casters chops when a pet dies because your tankin ain't up to snuff ...all you tanks out there say "Well I'll just click my lil gate potion and go byebye, let those damned casters fend for themselves!" Well, let me tell ya something. I can solo my way down to the jail, I can solo the zone out, I can take out most of the frogs and such, but I've NEVER seen a tank do it. EVER. So yea, you can say I'll just leave them damn casters, but when it comes to it you can't beat a pet. They don't ***** about dying, don't ***** about loot, don't ***** about heals and buffs and damn well don't ***** when you NEED an item and want to get 1 item to trade for another. Everyone busts their **** to get things, and not very much caster gear drops anymore without needing 3 huge groups to get it, so we take 1 thing trade it for another. Can you honestly say you have NEVER taken a caster item from winning the roll, and then sold for that new piece of armor you wanted? Same from a casters point of view. But hey, if your gonna whine about me busting my **** and having to say "Hey! Look I don't know you, I just grouped with you for some exp, maybe some loot but HERE!!! Take this nice 70k item and hell with me, who cares if I want this item, or that item, its yours man! No crap! Just have it!" you better share the crack your smoking, cause it must be some good shiate. Group of 5 casters and a bard can take most areas. Guardian Jail D1 and cook/chef/armorer being some of them. Later, time for bed

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wow, after reading that entire thread, the one phrase i can really agree with is the last sentence. it sure as hell is time for bed, you grouchy guy, you
im guessing this was posted about 10 seconds after not being aloowed to roll off for this belt, eh? join a guild, bro

#REDACTED, Posted: Mar 28 2001 at 9:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I for one, agree with the poster. I have seen more warriors insist on rolling on caster only gear, and then later whine about casters rolling on tank wearable gear. If you don't like it you greedy @$$ tanks go get a group of 6 tanks and camp your spawn (yeah right, good luck).

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 14 2001 at 2:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The guy who started this thread seems to be the greedy one. Maybe if he wasn't such an A$$HOLE things would work out better for him. I wish he'd put his name so I'd know not to group with him. LOSER!

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 14 2001 at 2:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The guy who started this thread seems to be the greedy one. Maybe if he wasn't such an A$$HOLE things would work out better for him. I wish he'd put his name so I'd know not to group with him. LOSER!

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 13 2001 at 8:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Haste to a tank is like clarity to a caster. hypothetically speaking, if there was a belt that was 7 ac +8 str/dex/sta +25 hp/mana effect clarity, would you let a tank roll on it?

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 16 2001 at 2:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ummmm yeah i would

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 19 2001 at 1:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yea those stats would help anyone out, but they do SO much more for a tank. The haste on the Tola Robe was just a joke. You're saying that the rbg would benefit you a lot? ********* there are a lot better belts out there for casters.

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 27 2001 at 6:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think he's saying the selling price is what will benefit him.

#Anonymous, Posted: May 08 2001 at 12:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well i hate to break it to you but a mage pet even when he is playing main tank is 10 times the tank you and all your gear can ever dream of ill bet every dollar(or plat ) i have that there isnt a lvl 51 tank out that can solo a lvl 51 mage earth pet(coincidentaly PvP pets only do 60% dmg)the only thing you there for as a tank is to pull and to taunt(and do what little dmg you think you could do even with a RBG)maybe you might wanna look at more of what a mage is actualy doing hes medding and casting a 810 point dd so maybe he isnt chain casting (wich will out taunt any tank)but he is doing way more dmg then you dream of doing," dont hate the player baby hate the game"

#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 12 2001 at 9:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 10 times the tank a "tank" is? right .. maybe for large rats and ork pawns - with the HP an AC pets have any tough higher level mobs will just rip trough it in 2 rounds and then go for the caster - let me see how you get your 810point DD off when Cazel starts beating you up - you tink you can get it off 20 times (mean guy has 15k HP) before he got you? 1 root that doesn't hold and your minced meat without a *real* tank - 1 overpull of 2 high level mobs and you and your pet can call it a day

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 27 2001 at 2:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) yea ya know i like the dudes point on (what if the effect was clarity) then your but would be singing a new tune about need before greed,only thing i think is sadder and makes peeps look more greedy is when they say (but i need it for my twink so i should get to roll) RBG = mellee type live with it or dont camp it !! or if u do camp it do it with a buch of casters no tanks haa,

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 12 2001 at 1:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, I for one go either way. Need before greed or open roll, what ever the grp thinks is fair. What has to happen, though, is BEFORE the item drops, all have to agree. Can't change the rules after the drop. If you don't like the way the grp has decided to divide loot, then get another grp. You don't have to grp with tanks who want need before greed. That is how they wanna play, fine, don't grp with em. Find a grp that does open role. But save your flames for the smoking lounge...this is an old tired song..

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 12 2001 at 11:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well in part i agree with ya. Caster most definatly should be in on the lotto's. It makes me laugh when people go some place with expectations of looting a specific item without the lotto. But, as far as casters doin what ever, no sorry. If that was the case we wouldnt have shouts for tanks so much. I personally hate wasting my mana on spells that could easily be saved when a tank is present. I do sympathize with casters cause any one who serfs these boards will notice that their is a million swords and plate armor that drops, but very few (in comparison) caster items that drops. All i can say is if you complain about "tanks" you complain about all of them, and i know for a fact there is plenty of very fair players out there no matter what the class.

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 15 2001 at 10:41 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) the person who said that about the belt with clarity, is their one? no and if their was it would drop of some lvl 80 dragon that would take half the server to take him down this haste belt is our way to get items, i dont agree with the first guy either you cant solo anything in seb so shut up, open roll is good but i never care cause nothing ever drops i just want to get the exp and go on raids for drops.

31% Haste

# Feb 17 2001 at 12:23 PM Rating: Default

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The RBG is 31% haste...5% less than Cloak Of Flames. the mana is not intended for casters. but for hybrids.
Very very excellent item.
good luck finding one

RE: 31% Haste

# Mar 05 2001 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent

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What do you base this haste % on?

Castor punks F*ck off

# Feb 12 2001 at 5:47 AM Rating: Default

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Okay this is the best haste belt out there, and although it is all/all only tanks should be allowed to roll for it.

Dont even begin to tell me that a castor would wear this, that would be ridiculous and a huge waste. the only reason a castor would roll on this is for CA$H.

"Need before Greed" remember that phrase, play by it. if a sweet castor item drops, why would i, as a paladin, roll on it? thats right i wouldnt. 10 Levels spent soley grouping in frenzy i saw 7 fbss' drop. Who do you think walked outa there with every last one of em. Castors.

You can keep your fbss' but dont even begin to tell me that it would be fair for castors to roll for the RBG, unthinkable.

its got 27% Haste by the way, kicks **** over fbss

51 Paladin of Fennin Ro

RE: Castor punks F*ck off

# Jun 13 2005 at 7:37 AM Rating: Decent

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It really is about greed. An item this valuable, anyone will use any logic they can dream up to increase their chances of owning it.

Idiotic arguments.

My 64 Magician has worn one of these since I made him. In fact, he went through Gloomingdeep wearing one. He wears it to this day.

Before you start cryin and snivlin about how it's wasted on a caster, just stfu.

I used it on my 56 BST before I made my Mage, and used it on my Ranger and Paladin too.

Just because people got a Caster ALT don't mean they can't use this on all their toons. Your the greedy dillrod, that wants casters to get the shaft.

RE: Castor punks F*ck off

# Feb 14 2001 at 11:25 AM Rating: Default

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WORD, as a 47 Monk (currently in Lower Guk attempting to get a Fbss) nothing bugs my *** more when a level 52 magician walks in for 15 minutes and then walks out with a fbss! while as I have been there since level 41, and roughly about a month. I know it would **** me off even more so if I saw one of the BEST melee items in the whole game walk off in the bag of some caster for sale. Anyways, i feel better now =D

RE: Castor punks F*ck off

# Feb 15 2001 at 7:56 PM Rating: Decent

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Well I'm happy to say that every single Sebilis group I've been in has been Need before Greed, but you're quite right those rules don't seem to apply in LGuk. I had to "go back" there and get myself a runed cowl, although 7 of them dropped in my time in the exe room. Melee got em all LOL.

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 06 2001 at 9:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What really annoys me is the small minded approach that loot dropped is for a class etc, only no drop items fit this, everything else should be rolled for. Everyone else at the frenzy camp for eg deserves the right to good loot, why else are they there? Just so the melee types can get a nice item and they get nothing? Has any tank ever been able to get to the frenzy and solo it? NO he needs help and expects the helpers to go for totally selfless reasons? Be real if as a caster I won this item I would trade it for something some tank won in a caster camp :)

RE: Castor punks F*ck off

# Feb 17 2001 at 1:46 PM Rating: Default

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Actually my level 57 wizard wears one of these. When you're maxed out on int like most of us casters are by level 50 we actually do use mana/ac/resist item in most slots.

Tanks not rolling on sweet caster drops. Don't remember seeing many of those in the game. Tons of great new gear for tanks, and virtually nothing for casters. The few things in game are usually rare drops off mobs that take a large guild raid to take down...and those almost always drop just things for tanks. I do remember things like losing bonecaster robes, spells, and other gear to tanks. They had no problem rolling on those.

Personally, I think the guy that started this thread needs to go to an anger management class.

- Balk

RE: Castor punks F*ck off

# Apr 13 2001 at 7:48 PM Rating: Default

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FAYI on CT the frenzy room is done by list not random..whoever there longest gets the Fbss..order of people joining determines the order of who gets sash.. just thought i would mention :P

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 13 2001 at 8:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) aye everyone should roll on items like a fbss, but when ya start hitting items like this it should move to need before greed. most likly once your at the level you need to loot one of these, you know the people your huntting with very well and would step out of the way for them when caster items drop. If ya dont work this way you wont have meny friends at level 50+, and remember this is a game and shuold be fun, Be happy for your tanks when they loot one dont be pissed you cant roll and sell it

#Anonymous, Posted: Feb 28 2001 at 8:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That is not the point... I mean if the tank does not have it... he needs it WAY more... now if everyone in the group has one in the group besides the caster.. i dont care give it to him because my *** is happy that i am hitting 31% faster then i was without it.. just my two cents peace..

RE: Castor punks F*ck off

# Feb 21 2001 at 8:17 AM Rating: Default

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Well, I have one of these, and I got it playing my enchanter. We agreed from the get-go that if you CAN use something, and you want it, you could roll for it. This is all/all, so it fit the criteria, and no one ******** since we all agreed to the rules up-front.

That's the main thing: get the looting rules spelled out up front, then there are rarely any disputes. And the fact is, I *would* be wearing this except that I have a rogue as well (L53) and he's wearing it. If I decide that it's my enc (L56) that I will take to 60 first, then I will wear this and be quite happy doing so. As an enchanter, I get hit a LOT. An extra 25 HP and decent AC, and light weight, and 25 Mana, plus the extra strength (I'm very weak), would indeed help me stay alive a little better. And often when I die, that's it, everyone dies, and no one wants that.

This is simply one of those items that everyone should roll for; it's simply too valuable to just say, 'Hey stranger, you look like you could use 70,000 pp, enjoy!' If you aren't gonna wear it, my guess is you'd be able to trade it for something dynamite that you would, and that applies to everyone.

I've seen SMRs go to tanks while playing my enc, and I've seen FBSSes go to casters while playing my rogue. I don't ***** about it one iota. That's the whole point of having an economy, to trade things you can't or won't use for things you would use; it brings people together. And anyone who argues against the principle that equal effort should result in equal chance for reward is simply a selfish and greedy *******. Period.

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 05 2001 at 11:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Maybe some of us would rather be out hunting then wasting time trading items.

RE: Castor punks F*ck off

# Mar 01 2001 at 8:09 PM Rating: Default

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Your arguement has some merit, but it's off on one particular point. Drops like the RBG are rare and incredibly hard to get. An item like this, that is pretty specifically tank oriented (more specifically monk oriented) should be made available first to those who the item is aimed at.

Allowing casters to have this item before tanks who do not own one is just pure greed. You can get 70k plat anywhere if you work hard enough. An RBG can only be found in one place. Your talk of a free economy smacks of self-interest. As long as the free economy is benefitting you, you're all for it, but wait till a druid wins a roll for the robe you've been camping weeks for and have only had drop once and you'll change your tune.

Lastly, If I was in a group that allowed casters to roll on a RBG, I would leave said casters to tank for themselves. Anyone that greedy does not deserve my protection

Prybutok
41st Warrior of Agony
Vazaelle

#Anonymous, Posted: May 08 2001 at 11:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) hmmm lets see without that enchanters haste buff and clerics hp ac buffs(not counting heals) you wouldnt be protecting your own **** let alone the casters of your group. NBG is a great thing but its abused way to often mainly by tanks(mostly because there are so many tank items out)i have seen a jaded mace drop 6 times everytime its been called NBG once by a war duel weilding lammies claiming he needed it for his 1 hand blunt skill and pointing out that JM was faster then a lammy and 2 other times i seen the mace offered up for trade by the ppl who won the item not more then a week prior . thats 50% of the time that NBG has been abused in my presence of just one item . im certain there was alot more but i was blinded by my own honesty and didnt start paying attention to the tanks claiming NBG until the day that dumb assed duel weilding lammy war decided to NBG a mace(thank god the cobby gaunts didnt drop or you know who would have claimed NBG again)needless to say after the jade mace situation the captn group was shouting for a new enchanter because this one decided "let that tank mez his own mobs"

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 09 2001 at 11:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ""Allowing casters to have this item before tanks who do not own one is just pure greed. You can get 70k plat anywhere if you work hard enough. An RBG can only be found in one place. Your talk of a free economy smacks of self-interest. As long as the free economy is benefitting you, you're all for it, but wait till a druid wins a roll for the robe you've been camping weeks for and have only had drop once and you'll change your tune.""

RE: Castor punks F*ck off

# Mar 09 2001 at 4:08 AM Rating: Default

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Which is just what I did when one of these dropped in Kitchen and the group leader said it was "too good to default to a tank....besides! I could use 25 mana!" (she being a wizzie). She said all roll, and a cleric won it....while I still wear a hangman's noose. Click that CT gate potion! Cya, bye! BTW...I saw that cleric later that day auctioning it in FP....so who's greedy?

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 04 2001 at 6:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What did you offer the cleric? See Mar 15 post RE cleric role in group. This price prolly just offset the gems she has used on symbols over her career.

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 09 2001 at 3:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Greedy? That would be you. You see an item that everyone in the group will greatly benefit from and you say "MINE!!"

RE: Castor punks F*ck off

# Mar 12 2001 at 11:23 AM Rating: Default

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My god people, First and foremost this is a GAME. can you remeber that? Now, i play a shaman and a warrior, not on one account i play two accounts at one time. So that said i can say i play both caster and melee. I have lost lottos before but that is part of the GAME. If you get so upset over losing a lotto on an item maybe you should try riding a bike and getting a pet or something to help you cope with your obvious anger problem. . Best suggestion is what he said, make the rules then when lotto time comes theres no crying(like the one who started the thread).If 6 people kill a mob then 6 people roll the lotto unless, like mentioned above, the lotto rules agreed apon specify that class specific items go to those that it applies too. Casters are extremely important to a group and without them you probably would never have even seen this item.

P.S. to the guy who started this thread *HINT* everquest is a game. If this scares you seek help imediatly! and good luck i hope you get better.

Odd thread

# Apr 02 2001 at 10:59 PM Rating: Default

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What I've seen:
You all are greedy!
No, YOU'RE greedy!
No, YOU'RE greedy!
Fu** off, you suck and are greedy!
No, YOU'RE greedy!
Everyone in here is stupid and should shut up!

Hmm... Okies. Interesting thread. I mean I do agree that it's just a game and not something to get worked up, but this think can be up to like a five f***ing month camp so you'd be kind of pissed if some mage walked up and took your RBG.

RE: Castor punks F*ck off

# Mar 30 2001 at 1:17 AM Rating: Decent

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Well, from what I've seen this isn't usually a problem in OS or the other high level kunark dungeons, or on high level raids. Reason being...reputation. Having a good reputation at high levels, even as a coveted cleric or enchanter, is important...if I (as a paladin) grouped with a caster that rolled on and won a rbg, I'd be damn sure to remember that person as someone I would not reinvite into a group, and let my guild know as well. There are far better caster belts out there than 25 mana, not to mention the rbg is a haste item, and the ONLY haste item casters should random on is the tolapumj robe in my opinion. Same goes for melee types...for example, I would LOVE to have a Lodizal shell shield (as a back item), does that mean I ask to random on it? Nope, because there are better back items for me in the game, and that is definitely something geared towards wisdom casters. LGuk, Solb etc. are old world dungeons, and use old world "looting rules"...try to insert those into the new high level dungeons and you will become very unpopular.
Something to think about...what good is 70k gonna do you if you're labeled a loot-*****.

-Cyani Stormherald, paladin
emarr

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 27 2001 at 2:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL I HALF TO REPLY TO THIS MORON WHO IS WEARING IT AS A CLERIC U ARE A ****** there are many cleric belts way better and dont even start this waa waa waa i buy jems and heel you guys so i deserver ITS YOUR JOB AS A CLERIC U FOKIN ****** % HOLE

#Anonymous, Posted: May 08 2001 at 11:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) NOTICE THIS IDIOT IS ANON BECAUSE HE WOULDNT WANT TO UPSET THE CLERIC COMMUNTIY AND NOT GET A REZ AGAIN, MAKING HIM THE "FOKIN ****** % HOLE"

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 27 2001 at 2:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL I HALF TO REPLY TO THIS MORON WHO IS WEARING IT AS A CLERIC U ARE A ****** there are many cleric belts way better and dont even start this waa waa waa i buy jems and heel you guys so i deserver ITS YOUR JOB AS A CLERIC U FOKIN ****** % HOLE

RE: Castor punks F*ck off

# Mar 15 2001 at 11:39 PM Rating: Default

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I gotta say i got one of these and igave it lots of thought.

First things first.

I play a cleric and to that guy that says you can get 70k anyhwere i say

BULL <insert word here>

not without farming or whatever i have neverdone that. Nor does it bother me that people do it. I came across this fairly. I rolled on it and i won. i kept the whole paryt alive for 9 hours spent countless amounts on gems like i have for 53 levels. You know what my belt was befor? +6 stamina

ARE YOU TELLING ME THIS IS NOT BETTER FOR ME THAN A +6 STAMINA BELT????? Your freaking nuts

do i need str? Yes
Do i need stam? yes
can i use 25 mana?? your damn straight
can i use 25 extra hps? hell yeah
Can i use haste? sometimes but no not really
Can i use the extra dex? HELL YES

So lets see 5 out of 6 things really really improve my charachter that i have worked my butt off to get up here to level 53

so how can you try to convince me that this is worthier on a tank? Most i play with all have a haste item sure they do and this would help them i am sure. But so would the coldain gloves i lost out on or the Black ember i lost out on or the black ember gloves i lost out on. Am i bitter ?? no

I just realize that this belt really does benifit my char a lot

so i keep it. I don't sell it

And if i find something better will i sell this No i will give it to a tank in my guild. Its part of being in my guild i think and its part of the game. but .... it better be a damn good belt that i am switching for heheh

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 06 2001 at 12:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The answer to your question as to why this is worthier on a tank is that the tank will do a better job keeping you alive wearing this, and will be able to go with you places to get more uber gear while wearing this, than he will without it. This makes you a little more effective (don't BS me my wife plays a 55 cleric and those stats have only a small impact on her ability to be a cleric) but it makes a tank a LOT more effective.

Need > Greed

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I noticed that someone mentioned the fact that casters would not roll on items that were clearly tank items, if the item was No Drop. I think that that really explains the whole issue here. Why are the words "No Drop" so important? Obviously, the only reason a caster would have to obtain this item would be to sell it, but if it were no drop, then they wouldn't bother rolling. Why is this? Because the tank NEEDS this item - the caster does not. I think that droppable items should be treated the same way. Are you guys so money-hungry that you would ***** the tanks in your group out of a CLEARLY tank-oriented item, just so you could take the money for yourself? Now I play a druid as my main, and I for one know that I would not be rolling on this item unless EVERY tank in the group asked me to for some reason, or every tank already had one. In the same way, I would not expect tanks to roll on an Elder Spiritists Breastplate - what use do they have for it, other than profit? Besides - I think that most of the people commenting on this thread have not experienced the different style of play that happens at the level required to obtain this item. Hopefully they will have opened their eyes by then.

The simple fact is that NEED should come first, especially on items of such magnitude.