Silver Whip of Rage
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Scars of Velious
Usable at level 1 and procs at level 1.
How does aggro work with this thing? When chanters use rune they get some nasty aggro. But invulnerable people don't get as much aggro. Is the a hate reducer or a hate increaser?
casting hp absorbers gives you agro yes.. but a mob isnt stupid enough to spend its time attacking an inv. player if it has more than 1 person on the hate list. When a person becomes inv. they are not removed off the hate list but it gives the caster enough time for the MT "hopefully" to gain more agro so when it wears off hes higher on the list. So by procing this i believe it will generate more hate.. just not sure how much hate a 150 absorber produces...
i dont understand why this ir LORE, because i just saw a guy in Icewell Keep lvl 60 Ogre Warrior duel wieling these. was it nerfed? o well i dont care im only lvl 41 so it might be a fw more months before i make my first trip to ToV, ut i did get somma dat sweet Royal Velium Frosted Armor..including the BP!!!! thanks Mr. Ogre and the group who helped!
Mebonk shortystuff
41 warrior dwarf of Rallos Zek
Belc Helc
24 rogue halfling of Bristlebane (i think thats the right god)
Povar server
<Arbiters of the Apocalypse>
Mebonk shortystuff
41 warrior dwarf of Rallos Zek
Belc Helc
24 rogue halfling of Bristlebane (i think thats the right god)
Povar server
<Arbiters of the Apocalypse>
As far as I know, it's always been lore. Are you sure he wasn't using this with Dagarn's Tail, which is also a whip out of North?
get some nice dex to proc it alot and youll have some hardcore shielding :)
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Something of note. I see below a formula that calculates max damage by factoring in str, plus skill lvl, etc. As a ranger, we get spells that do not increase str, but do increase our atk rating. By increasing the attack rating, all else equal, the max damage does appear to go up. One prime example is when I am in wolf form (about +35 to attack) and have Str of Nature buff on (another +25), I see my max hits go up from somewhere around 57 or 58 to about 66 or 67 (jagged blade of mourning). Anyone have any insight on the true affect of increasing attack rating versus increasing str?
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I can't give you hard facts, except as my experience playing a 49th level Iksar Monk.
Strength increases your attack rating to begin with, so I do not know 100% for sure if the max damage increase I receive with the buffs from a 49th level shaman friend of mine is from the attack increase, or the strength increase. Judging by the higher average damage output by Ogre Warriors I've grouped with using comparable weapons, I would have to guess that it is the strength stat that most influences maximum / average damage in melee combat.
And yes, Rangers do get strength spells. =)
Strength increases your attack rating to begin with, so I do not know 100% for sure if the max damage increase I receive with the buffs from a 49th level shaman friend of mine is from the attack increase, or the strength increase. Judging by the higher average damage output by Ogre Warriors I've grouped with using comparable weapons, I would have to guess that it is the strength stat that most influences maximum / average damage in melee combat.
And yes, Rangers do get strength spells. =)
attack rating > strength. The attack rating is factored in once you look at AC mitigation. I'm not going to go into details on this since it's complex and there are numerous posts on this subject on various forums.
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Yes Virginia, Rangers do get spells to increase str...it is called Storm Strength. However, not as good as line of Shammy buffs.
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Actually, well perhaps poorly written I didn't say Rangers don't get Strength spells AT ALL. Rather, Rangers have spells that don't have a strength component, but do have an attack component. Guess I should have said it that way the first time.
Anyway, since I have posted this I have drawn the conclusion that the attack rating is what ultimately determines your damage output. Try for example and equip a 2hb or 2hs, if your skill is very low compared to your main weapon, after equipping your main weapon and note the difference in the attack rating. My attack rating when I tried this with dual wield was 1092, when I switched to a 1hp in primary slot(with skill 1) my attack rating was about 572 if I remember correctly. My point is that anything that ultimately effects an increase in your attack rating (i.e., makes it go up :) ) will increase your max damage output.
Anyway, since I have posted this I have drawn the conclusion that the attack rating is what ultimately determines your damage output. Try for example and equip a 2hb or 2hs, if your skill is very low compared to your main weapon, after equipping your main weapon and note the difference in the attack rating. My attack rating when I tried this with dual wield was 1092, when I switched to a 1hp in primary slot(with skill 1) my attack rating was about 572 if I remember correctly. My point is that anything that ultimately effects an increase in your attack rating (i.e., makes it go up :) ) will increase your max damage output.
Better version of the second link
http://www.geocities.com/copelandeq/meleestats.html
http://www.geocities.com/copelandeq/meleestats.html
The Power of Hate conquers all foes.
Leader of The Silent Minority a Rathe Guild
Leader of The Silent Minority a Rathe Guild
The following 2 sites are very good at explaining things
http://forums.castersrealm.com/cgi-bin/eq/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=123&t=000082
http://www.geocities.com/copelandeq/
The first doesn't take into account the damage bonus on 2HS weapons because it was done before that came out. By my understanding the formulas should now be.
Magic number (most hits are for this)
[(2 * DMG) + (Level Damage Bonus)] + weapon bonus
1 + (Level Damage Bonus) + weapon bonus (note lvl damage bonus and weapon damage bonus are 0 for offhand)
Max damage
[((Weapon Skill + Strength)/100) * (DMG)) + (Level Damage Bonus)] + weapon bonus
Level damage bonus is:
for 1 hand weapons
Level Damage Bonus = (Level - 25)/3
for 2 hand weapons
below 51st lvl
Level Damage Bonus = (Level - 25)/2
above 51st lvl
Level Damage Bonus = (Level - 7)/3
Haven't seen a good formula for max Crits and crips
The second link is a program that does take into account the weapon bonus and your lvl. It doesn't do individual hits but gives what your average Damage per minute(DPM) should be if your skills are maxed (can adjust that in the program). It also allows you to add the various haste items but not spells to see what the effect is on DPM.
DPM should be the real factor in deciding what is the best weapon.
http://forums.castersrealm.com/cgi-bin/eq/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=123&t=000082
http://www.geocities.com/copelandeq/
The first doesn't take into account the damage bonus on 2HS weapons because it was done before that came out. By my understanding the formulas should now be.
Magic number (most hits are for this)
[(2 * DMG) + (Level Damage Bonus)] + weapon bonus
1 + (Level Damage Bonus) + weapon bonus (note lvl damage bonus and weapon damage bonus are 0 for offhand)
Max damage
[((Weapon Skill + Strength)/100) * (DMG)) + (Level Damage Bonus)] + weapon bonus
Level damage bonus is:
for 1 hand weapons
Level Damage Bonus = (Level - 25)/3
for 2 hand weapons
below 51st lvl
Level Damage Bonus = (Level - 25)/2
above 51st lvl
Level Damage Bonus = (Level - 7)/3
Haven't seen a good formula for max Crits and crips
The second link is a program that does take into account the weapon bonus and your lvl. It doesn't do individual hits but gives what your average Damage per minute(DPM) should be if your skills are maxed (can adjust that in the program). It also allows you to add the various haste items but not spells to see what the effect is on DPM.
DPM should be the real factor in deciding what is the best weapon.
The Power of Hate conquers all foes.
Leader of The Silent Minority a Rathe Guild
Leader of The Silent Minority a Rathe Guild
so then i guess you start getting bonuses at lvl 27(1) and then every 2 lvls you get 1 more point at lvl 45 you should have a 10 point bonus. For 1hs you got to be lvl 29 to get a 1 pt bonus. So what this means to use lowbies is: damage bonus is not a big factor until your like lvl 40 =/
oh well i guess i got some lvling to do!
thnx for clearin that up
oh well i guess i got some lvling to do!
thnx for clearin that up
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does the 0.0 weight on this mean that you can't get fatigued??
Answer to that is absolutely
while that is technically true, you can become fatigued from a prolonged battle, though it takes a lot, and i mean about 100X longer to start dropping stamina then if you were using say a wurmslayer
9 posts
as far as i can tell its the same as its always been, just increases the amount of damage after you hit the mob by x amount, only now it is displayed on the weapon.
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Hallelujah! All gods be praised! someone who finally gets the damage bonus! Check it out people: in all the recent damage bonus related patches, the only time verent ever said they were making a modification to damage bonuses is a while ago when they added an extra one for 40+ delay 2 handers. All the recent damage bonus is just making it display. That's right, the damage bonus showing up on all the toys is yer regular old level based damage bonus. Which for all us melee classes is (level -25)/3. Or: 1 one 28, 2 on 31, 3 on 34, 4 on 37. This formula only applies to 1 handers where delay isn't a factor. I don't know what the caster formula is (like you guys care anyway), but plug yer level in and find oout! bet it matches the bonus displayed on yer weapons. Point is, there is no new bonus, only new information displayed on weapons.
i dunno about you guys, but this whole dmg bonus thing seems confusing! so i see no its not 24/19 and yes it is, then no then yes.... so WHAT IS THE TRUTH????????
Ok, the truth on damage bonus from what I can tell, is this.
Damage bonus doesn't affect the "DMG: xx" on the weapon. What it is, like for this, you would add 11 damage to what you deal (for the class and level of person who sent this in, because it changes class to class and level to level).
For instance, if you hit and did 20 damage without the damage bouns, you would actually hit the mob for 31 damage. It's just a bonus to actual damage dealt, if you understand what I mean. That's what I understand, and that's what would make sense, because just making it a bonus to the damage displayed on the weapon would be stupid because you'd see SOOO many weapons that had more damage than delay, and Verant has only done that on like 4 weapons so far.
Hope that explains and helps you, if I'm wrong could somebody please correct me and not flame me? Thanks
Damage bonus doesn't affect the "DMG: xx" on the weapon. What it is, like for this, you would add 11 damage to what you deal (for the class and level of person who sent this in, because it changes class to class and level to level).
For instance, if you hit and did 20 damage without the damage bouns, you would actually hit the mob for 31 damage. It's just a bonus to actual damage dealt, if you understand what I mean. That's what I understand, and that's what would make sense, because just making it a bonus to the damage displayed on the weapon would be stupid because you'd see SOOO many weapons that had more damage than delay, and Verant has only done that on like 4 weapons so far.
Hope that explains and helps you, if I'm wrong could somebody please correct me and not flame me? Thanks
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Then how do you explain hitting for 1 with 1hs and 2hs weapons, it's happened to me on more than one occasion.
Vamp
Vamp
Damage bonus is based on one thing: Level.
The one that these weapons are now showing is entirely level based. It ONLY applies to level 51+ players and only is SHOWN to level 51+ players as well.
On the other hand there are other damage modifiers for skill and strength, but those are NOT this damage bonus.
The one that these weapons are now showing is entirely level based. It ONLY applies to level 51+ players and only is SHOWN to level 51+ players as well.
On the other hand there are other damage modifiers for skill and strength, but those are NOT this damage bonus.
Correction: Dmg bonus is based on TWO things: Level and Delay.
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Not so sure. I am a lvl 30 war and see dmg bonuses on most if not all of my weapons, 1h inclueded. Admittedly, I have no idea what these mean or do, but I did see and increase in average dmg output once they appeared.
Kugg
lvl 30 war
Bristlebane
Free your mind...
Kugg
lvl 30 war
Bristlebane
Free your mind...
You will see a damage bonus on every weapon you have when you look at it, but the only time you will actually get that damage bonus is when you are using that weapon in your primary hand, or using a 2h weapon (since you can only use one 2h weapon at a time).
One of the most important things to note is that you will see people who do not know that your damage bonus increses every 3 levels past 29(?) or so auctioning weapons off, saying "Damage bonus 3 (etc)". The damage bonus is completely dependant on WHO is using that item, in the hands of a level 1 the damage bonus will be ZERO, so don't let that fool you into buying something.
Safe Travels
One of the most important things to note is that you will see people who do not know that your damage bonus increses every 3 levels past 29(?) or so auctioning weapons off, saying "Damage bonus 3 (etc)". The damage bonus is completely dependant on WHO is using that item, in the hands of a level 1 the damage bonus will be ZERO, so don't let that fool you into buying something.
Safe Travels
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That would be because it is your offhand weapon, the damage bonus only effects your mainhand. =P
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Nice weapon but i got a different question...you know everytime you see the posts telling about the effects and such and what the msg you get says when its casted on you or on someone else why is the person being casted on usually soandso? why cant it be freddy or jimmy or george huh? huh? huh? =) thats mah 2cp
My hunch is that 'Soandso' was the name of the first mob in the game - the character that they used to test everything with - and perhaps they just left this name as the default for a lot of things (most of which they've since changed). If you've ever used the 'Test Everquest' feature (the EQ Tutorial), or EZE (Everquest Zone Explorer - a zone exploring tool based on the tutorial), you might have noticed that the character which you control is named just that: Soandso.
Just my theory - with some credit to Dogdog.
- Paghk
Just my theory - with some credit to Dogdog.
- Paghk
I think your reading soandso as Soandoso... and not what it really is So and So... meaning any name.... lol if you slurred the whole thing together, and congratz on seeing it if you did.
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that's the names of the characters in the EQ tutorial ;)
#REDACTED,
Posted: Nov 14 2001 at 4:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Verant Fooked up again! putting dmg bonuses on 1 hander weapons which basically disrupted the balance of the game! but i've heard that dmg bonuses on 1 hand weapons do not use the dmg bonus since people who have a dmg bonus on some weapons can still hit below what the dmg bonus says.. and btw YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL THAT A DMG BONUS IS NOT SPECIFIC FOR ONE WEAPON FOR ONE PERSON! its different for each lvl!
Well we should thank Verant for allowing us to see who the stupid ones are.
The bonus is the same for every weapon of a type for your level, it is weapon skill/level bonus. So weather it is a 7/21 or a 17/27 weapon if it's the same type it gets the same damage.
Example: the MoSS 19/29 has the exact same damage bonus as the Ebon Bace 19/24 which for me having all skills maxed is exactly the same as the Sword of Skyfire 10/22 and the Gnole Hide Lariate 3/21.
ONLY 2 HAND WEAPONS HAVE AN ADDITIONAL DAMAGE BONUS ADDED BASED ON DELAY OF THE WEAPON!
So basically ignore the damage bonus listed on 1 hand weapons and the bonus on 2 hand weapons is relative based on level.
Neptunis
lvl 54 DE Reaver
The bonus is the same for every weapon of a type for your level, it is weapon skill/level bonus. So weather it is a 7/21 or a 17/27 weapon if it's the same type it gets the same damage.
Example: the MoSS 19/29 has the exact same damage bonus as the Ebon Bace 19/24 which for me having all skills maxed is exactly the same as the Sword of Skyfire 10/22 and the Gnole Hide Lariate 3/21.
ONLY 2 HAND WEAPONS HAVE AN ADDITIONAL DAMAGE BONUS ADDED BASED ON DELAY OF THE WEAPON!
So basically ignore the damage bonus listed on 1 hand weapons and the bonus on 2 hand weapons is relative based on level.
Neptunis
lvl 54 DE Reaver
i am Not a Flame so i am Gonna be nice about this.
the Bonus damage to any particular weapon ... i will use my weapons for example.
7/18 (master Wu's trance stick)
11/25 (cane of the Tranquil)
they BOTH have a Damage Bonus of 5 for me as a 41st Monk.. and yes it Does add the Bonus to the Damage DEALT...NOT the base damage for the weapon..
Because if i had a 12/18 weapon with effect Smite <83DD> (master Wu's) i would not have a Normal damage of 25-35 i would be Hitting far harder than that with an added 5 points on my base bamage of a weapon, more like 35 - 45.
need to update my sig..43 monk now.
the Bonus damage to any particular weapon ... i will use my weapons for example.
7/18 (master Wu's trance stick)
11/25 (cane of the Tranquil)
they BOTH have a Damage Bonus of 5 for me as a 41st Monk.. and yes it Does add the Bonus to the Damage DEALT...NOT the base damage for the weapon..
Because if i had a 12/18 weapon with effect Smite <83DD> (master Wu's) i would not have a Normal damage of 25-35 i would be Hitting far harder than that with an added 5 points on my base bamage of a weapon, more like 35 - 45.
need to update my sig..43 monk now.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Nov 14 2001 at 4:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm guessing that you don't play a melee character. If you did, you'd know that the damage bonus has always been on a weapon in the primary hand, they just started showing that little number after the put the bonus rating on 2h weapons recently. Of course, the bonus isn't applied until the 50+ levels, I believe.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Nov 15 2001 at 10:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) "I'm guessing that you don't play a melee character."
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*edit*
Never mind,
Just re-read the post ;)
Never mind,
Just re-read the post ;)
I'm afraid you are mistaken sir, your primary hand does indeed have a built-in damage bonus. If not, they you are a very strange case indeed.
actualy it starts taking effect somewhere in levels 25-30. however, it doesnt have a significant impact until levels 50+
Spell Effects:
Silver Skin
Increase Absorb Damage by 150 (L1)
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Classes: None
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Skill: Abjuration
Allowable Targets: Self
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Range to Target: 100 feet
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Resistance Check: None
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Spell Duration: 360 ticks (36.0 minutes)
Duration Formula: 3
Spell Recovery: 2.25 seconds
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Spell cast on you: Your skin takes on a silvery hue.
Spell cast on someone: Soandso's skin takes on a silvery hue.
Spell fades: The silvery hue fades.
With the damage bonus, it's a 24/19 weapon, and the effect absorbs damage. Not a lot of damage, but it's better then nothing.
This is one of the more interesting weapons I've seen coming out of ToV.
Silver Skin
Increase Absorb Damage by 150 (L1)
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Classes: None
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Skill: Abjuration
Allowable Targets: Self
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Range to Target: 100 feet
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Resistance Check: None
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Spell Duration: 360 ticks (36.0 minutes)
Duration Formula: 3
Spell Recovery: 2.25 seconds
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Spell cast on you: Your skin takes on a silvery hue.
Spell cast on someone: Soandso's skin takes on a silvery hue.
Spell fades: The silvery hue fades.
With the damage bonus, it's a 24/19 weapon, and the effect absorbs damage. Not a lot of damage, but it's better then nothing.
This is one of the more interesting weapons I've seen coming out of ToV.
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Sorry, but the damage bonus isn't added to the base damage of a weapon. It's still a 13/19 weapon, but the damage bonus (based on the lvl and class, and hand for that matter) is added onto the actual damage inflicted.
Tienshihan
Cleric of Innoruuk
Ayonae Ro
Tienshihan
Cleric of Innoruuk
Ayonae Ro
2 posts
The proc's effect is a rune like effect. So in basically every time it proc's you get a 150hp rune shield.
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