C'mon people! It is so old reading all this BS about who should/shouldn't get a certain drop. I see the facets of the NBG issue and think that is just plain bunk. In all raids (Save guild raids), all items should be rolled upon if your particular class/race can use it...period! Takes out all of the whining and justifying. Everyone that is on the raid does their own particular thing for each battle and accepts risks so enough of the crying!
i would love this shield, any priest class that says otherwise is fooling themselves, as a cleric though, i do not play the role in CHain of first cleric, therefor i rarely get agro in Ntov, the first cleric rarely get's agro. when she does, she DAs and passes on next CHeal chance.
when we are fighting non nameds, the shaman get's agro more than we do.
this should go to the shaman. they get the privelidge of gettting agro and dying more than anyone else.
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Posted:Mar 10 2003 at 11:08 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) this shield is not the best in the game, its maybe 4th or 5th depending on stats your looking for, 2nd all you bantering back an forth feeding on the we are better then druid get a damn life, sorry to burst your bubble shamans but pop did make our classes different, We have more then enough healing to replace a cleric in exp, and to stand in cho incase of emergancy. Clerics your lovey hp buffs, have fun memming symbol/ward i dont know a single tank that wants virtue of Bot9/symbol/ward on raid. Sorry to break it to you but the druid is no longer your *****. now we out solo you and are useful on raids.....search aegis, or seashell to find a better shield btw
I'm a 59 druid. And I'd love this shield, naturally. Who wouldn't? But while I appreciate the sentiment of the anonymous poster that a druid could use these to evacuate...the fact is, when I'm on a raid, I will never have evac loaded. Or rarely. I have occasionally loaded an evac ONLY if every group in the raid had an evaccer in it. If we are able to evac the entire raid, then it might be useful. But generally, there is no evacing in a raid situation. In experience groups, sure. But on raids, we have a cleric camped out and ready to rez in emergencies.
However, while I would LOVE this shield, I would default it to a cleric first. Now that they do some meleeing, and also are responsible for the majority of healing in a raid, they will get attacked more than I will. If the clerics pass (which would be unbelievable), I would then suggest the shamans roll on it. With their slows and malo lines, they will also take a lot of hits and need it more. With the new healing spell for Druids, Tunare's Renewal (2900 heal), I will occasionally get aggro also, but not to the extent of the clerics and shamans. If I'm getting aggro, then it's a fluke. Any druid worth their salt in a raid knows to wait until the MT has aggro before they let loose with DD's. And by the time the clerics are OOM, my little 2900 heal should not be able to compete with the damage done to the mob by the wizards and meleer's.
So, even though I would like to have this item for the mana and resists, the AC makes it much more viable for the Shaman and Cleric classes in my guild IMHO. For soloing, this would be very uber. But I must consider the good of my guildmates first. This is a raid item that could make other encounters easier. Which means more successful raids for all. Which means more loot in the end. And we druids will get our share.
I mean, it really would be nice if they doubled or tripled shields def bonus (dont flame, keep reading). It would also make more sense. I mean think about it. A meleer with 2 swords or a 2hder is making himself excruciatingly open to all attacks. He gets massive damage and REALLY pisses off the mob, but he is putting his life on the line. In the game though, the loss of ac/stats is almost nothing compared to the damage bonus the meleer would obtain.
Also, it would give caster classes more of a reason to use a shield. I mean come on! who uses a frikkin book or bowl for gods sake, whatcha gonna do, teach the mob or feed it maybe? I mean, casters by definition wear cloth-based stuff. It might seem to fit better that they just stand there and blow the **** out of mobs in the face of danger, but how realistic is it really. Wouldnt it make more sense for them to crouch behind a shield, praying to finish their incantation before a beast rips out their heart?
It would give a benefit to pallies, 1hd sk's (wyrmy/shield :P), shamen, clerics, druids, etc. basically all but rogues, monks, and warriors. Well...those classes OBVIOUSLY give up a ton of defensive power in the way they go all out. In practice, a warrior gives up that power to keep the group alive, but he also deals a nice bit of damage while he's at it. Monks...i mean come on, what do you expect, you attack something really hard really fast while half naked...wtf do u expect to happen when they turn around lol. a sheilded monk would be somewhat of an oximoron (oh god i think i mutilated that word lol). And rogues...they are supposed to be all sneaky and stuff. They dont need a shield when they are effectively invisible, although i bet the high lvl dragons are wondering wtf is stickin somethin sharp up their asses.
This really seems to be common sense imho. if something hits you REALLY hard on your helmet, its definately not gonna feel good and it could kill you. If they hit your shield really hard then you might fly back a few yards, but otherwise your straight. In diablo II for example (awe shuddup), a shield can block up to 75% of all physical attacks. Meaning with one of 2 or 3 shields (or like 50 for pallies), you can effectively avoid damage 3/4 of the time! Most barbs go 2hded with ub3r weapons trying for the 1-3 hit kill, and the rest usually choose sword/shield instead of duel weapons.
Ok, if you've read this whole thing i pity you. peace bizitch!
The omission of druids on this shield is a good one. If a druid gets agro on a raid of this level, s/he deserves to die, and if the druid lives, shoot him. Clerics and shaman draw agro due to their main reason of being on the raid in the first place, debuffing or healing(in most cases the main tank). Giving this shield to a druid so he can kite better is a joke. Let the clerics and shaman soft cap their AC, an max their mana pools, so you can goto ssra and spend 25mins+ killing the emp, without your clerics dying because a druid is the one with 1100ac.
I'd agree with Kothall on most points except the healing. Shaman are better secondary healers because Nature's touch = 987 or so HP's for 400 mana and Torpor's = 1200 hp's for 200 mana with only .5 sec more casting time. I'll agree that the snare/slow of torpor's can be a pain but if a druid can cast NT 5 times on a full bar of mana (just for an example) that's just under 5k of heals. A shaman with the same mana pool could cast Torpor 10 times for a total of 12k hp's healed. I'd call that a lil bit more healing power. ;)
lol okies NT is 400mana and i have a total mana of 3600. so before you take into account spell casting mastery and specialization i could cast NT 9 times. In reality i could probably chain NT 12 times on one bar of mana. Anyway guess that really doesnt matter anyway, shamans slow/debuff/Buff, druids heal/nuke/dot. Also torpour is a heal over time focus effects and aa dont effect it, as where I have a improved healing IV hat and improved healing aa so my 990point heal can go up to about 1200hp's(instant not overtime). Anyway druids breed like mice so theres piles of us out there so let us patch heal while U shamans stick to slowing/debuffing. Besides once the shaman slowes the mob hes generally busy eating himself to have mana to slow the next mob.
And out of this the only fact that really matters is...... you cant have 3 shamans torpouring you at the same time, because torpour is a buff, where you could have as many druids as you want NTing the MT at the same time.
Edit: BTW i wouldnt take this sheild from a cleric or a shammy
You resists the Pox of Bertuxxulous spell!! http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=572179
Any guild that loots this shield will always give it to a cleric. Clerics make your raid period. Sure pallys can rez but when was the last time you were happy at high 50's with a none 98% rez.. noone. Everyraid needs a cleric, your clerics die, hope ur pallys are awake. You lose both no rezing ability... raids over port the fux out. Druids don't need the shield, Clerics and shammys have better buffs then them anyway. Give the shield to ur cleric.
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Posted:Feb 19 2002 at 4:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) anyone who posts on this site or any site like it, is a *****. excluding me, because i am only here to notify you of your pussiness. i have spoken. now hit yourself. harder.
First off, this IS the BEST shield in the GAME, and speaking I cant use it. Now for everyone complaining. Im sure that the magority of the complainers are Druids because you are used to getting the 'Preist Items.' This item would be increadably hard to get in the first place... Now look at what you have over the poor 'Real Priests.'
Druids have many restrictions on weapons, but you can use Flachions/Scimitars, so you have more options than them, you also have Ports, which they dont, and better DD spells including your last 2, which totally outdo their best DDs. While you do spend a lot of time buffing and healing, you can very easily Kite things, and you can also Nuke when you get bored. These races spend their whole time Buffing and Healing, if they arnt buffing and healing they are trying to save themselfs from insanity but arnt really helping the group too much... hehe.... In the end, also, Clerics have less HP than you, although Shamans do usually have more and have pets... We now return to your regularly scheduled programing
And seriously, have you ever seen what happens to a shaman when they slow a quad attacking uber mob? and when it gets resisted? how about a cleric when they cast complete heal? clerics and shamans need the AC a lot more than the druid. why would i want a druid to take this uber shield and go quad kiting?
Do you know how difficult it would be to get this shield now?
Going off what I've seen on the various uber websites, the Ring of Vulak is THREE HOURS LONG, to be able to be in a position to loot this shield you have to have GOTTEN to the lair to do the 'ring' event in the first place, if you're in this position, then you are in a RAIDING guild, plain and simple, you're not a druid who goes quad-kiting raptors anymore, you're a PART OF THE TEAM, and as such if you can use the item (which we know in this case we can't), you have just as much right to be awarded, or bid on this item as the an_other_class01.
The only thing that upsets me with druids not being included in it's usage, is they changed our class defining uber item from Vulak`Aerr, Rowyl's Metal Armguards from being druid only, to Druid, Shaman and Cleric usable, without adding other classes to other of his loot-table.
1) Shaman and Clerics have more AC than Druids. 2) Shaman and Clerics have more HP buffed than a Druid. 3) Shaman and Clerics have far more items of power available to them than a Druid. 4) Shaman and Clerics solo far less than a Druid so take far less risk. (solo they do but nowhere near as much as a Druid does) 5) Shaman and Clerics are both far higher in demand than Druids/Taxis are for Raids. 6) Calling a Shaman a "real priest" while a Druid is not considered one is inaccurate. We have equivelent heals to any shaman and our Regrowth ability has no downside while providing 30 per tick regen for 3 solid minutes.
Your statements are wrong on every point for why druids shouldn't get to use it.
As for this not being usable by a Druid, so what. If I can't use it then I just let it go as a "bummer, such is life as a Druid".
Congrats to the guy who gets this and sympathies to those that don't -- the groups required (6 to 10 groups) and time to clear ToV (min probably 6 hours) to get this to drop means few of these will ever see the light of play. Just to much work to keep that many groups running for that long to do this consistantly.
Ciao for now,
Kothall Landrunner 56th level Druid Stormhammer Server
Clerics ha' less HP than druids? Pffft. Perha' dem sissy **** pale elfs o' dem inkie bastages ha' less HPs, ba' ta say tha tree-hug'n pansie ha' more HPs than meh a' tha bes' clerics en tha game (Dorven Cleric a'course) es ig'nat. Tha on'ly re'son clerics can't sola es 'cause when a bastage see a Cleric come'n dey run en fear frem us! We ne'd a tankie ta hid' b'hend so by tha time dey see us, 'tis ta late Har har har har!
dont forget shams slow, mal on occasion, and CAN solo just as good as a druid if not better imho... they got the disease and poison dots... usually land easier then fire/magic. Have slow's, buffs and... a pet which is hastable. druids get snare fire/magic dots (and manaless dot/snare/root which is a big +) dunno if shamans have any manaless dot/root gear or not but theres an item that summons the 34 pet mana free (whoop for the higher shaman)
I don't generable like to flame...but when I see a post with blatently wrong information I feel I must. /flame on First, I won't contest that shamies can solo, I've seen it done quite effectively and yes their DoTs are pretty impressive BUT If you think that the druid magic based DoTs are often resisted then you need to start a druid and get your facts straight. Truth is the magic based DoTs almost never fail (assuming the target is not 10 or so levels above you). Second, I've yet to see a shaman quad kite, druids do. I'm done /flame off
you Know you REALY need to lvl more before you spout off like that this is NOT a solo gear item you local shammy will get poundings in grp and raid situation so AC is very important second with high wis items it opens slots for resist gear i would pass for a cleric butt id be pissed if i lost this to a druid you just dont need it if you get pasted during a raid you REALY F'd up or... the camp got trained so get back to learning you class more
plz i have a druid and drones was resisted by a blue (very rarley) but the fire dot sux nuts... always resisted... (druids can only lower resistances on fire... but those have to stick...)
You dumb sob, the reason is the class balancing issue of not letting Druids have high AC, and this shield has more AC then just about everything in the game. This is also the reason why you dont see any INT casters on the list. There are no melee or hybrids on the list because it would overpower them.
Imho, I think Clerics have no right to complain that their role is boring. If they think their class is boring, they should have quit back before level 10 and made a Rogue.
This item has nothing to do with class balance. The mob that drops these, drops super high AC items for all classes.
Cleric/shamam--75 ac shield Druid beastlord--45 ac arms sk/pally/war---80ac axe 50 ac helm many classes can wear 40ac gloves that even druids can wear. 45ac arms casters can wear Just to name a few.
Vulak'Aerr is all about high AC items for all classes. At the level 60 and the amount of uberness you need to get these items, not much is going to unbalance the classes.
its better then every single epic cooombined. This shield should be called masters shield. now time for RE:wow. /em faints and wishes he had it and would give everything on him for it iincluding weapon. now time for another post. its called if it wasnt no drop. if it wasnt no drop it would be worth around 650k, yeah thats sounds about right. This is the most amazing item in the intire game. and thats the end of my post
First, I think the 75 AC is important for a cleric, at least. You are correct that it is only a negligible improvement in survivability, BUT it is a significant improvement in channeling.
Second, as for druids -- well, druid simply is conceived as a fairly fragile class. You get dots and snare and sow, you don't get a ton of AC/HP. There's nothing so terribly unfair or whatever.
I will never understand why people think that flames are ever read in a logical sense...
facts are facts but these forums are meant for information of the nature of the game not complaints of counter complaints.
I believe that Verant did a very good job in creating this shield it would be considered a metal shield perhaps a tower shield and thus the olde druids could not use it
in fact druids could not use anything that was not wooden or leather strangely though metal comes from the earth they walk on.
very interesting how the ac is extremely high
the name strikes a bell as well shield of crafting seems like this would be good for trade skills even perhaps a hint on what clerics/shamans use to up trade skills even though verant said that for wis casters wis is primary they never tell the whole truth cuz they are less than trusting or something...
Some one mentioned lvl 60's who will never raid NToV is so very true. The epic argument saying the wisdom isnt that good. Well as equipt now my wisdom is at 229, and i have a infinite void orb (+5 wisdom) so i really dont need the 10 more wisdom but the 25 more mana is welcome.I also have full Kael armor which isnt to generous on the resists bonuses. The true reason to have this shield is the awesome resists! with epic and this i would have +25 to everything! Thats huge! My one concern is, does it look like some rediculous newbie shield i had at lvl 12?
Well, this item is a number of orders of magnitude harder to get than any epic you might care to look at. That might seem unreal to you but it honestly is.
There are a large number of level sixty folks who will never hunt in NToV, in fact the majority. Of those who do, a small fraction will be part of the groups that take down good old Vulak and of those, some will get loot of this nature. It is well within what should be expected of encounters of this nature, namely head and shoulders above the dross that most of us contend with.
To be honest though, do you really think that 75AC raw means all that much at this level? It sounds like it should but it really does not to a non-tank class. Sure, the Cleric might survive a moment longer (a good thing) but it isn't like adding raw 75AC to a level 55 in OS. The MOBs that are being fought at this level sneer at ACs in the 1300-1400 range more often than not. Getting a Cleric to 1200 means not that much. To the Shaman who likes to solo occasionally though, this is an item of some interest indeed =) Oh, and the saves, mana and HP are kinda nice indeed.
Palladuses axe of slaughter has 80AC and its a 2hser drops of Vulak'Aerr as well and has a very good dmg/delay ratio and nice +stats so if your a 2hs class just roll on that if your there and your in the raid which most likely your aren't most of the people posting here are never gonna see Vulak for a really long time like me.
Plain and simple here folks. I don't think there's anyone out there who couldn't use the stats and AC on this puppy. Figure it out.... Yeah, would be nice if Druids were included in that the fact that the other two classes here are considered priest classes, but hey... why not throw everyone on here? My main is a druid, but I'd love this on any of the classes I play even *gasp* "dare I say it?"
Weird, you don't see any clerics whining because druids got excluded, but as soon as there's ONE item they can't use (see earring of travel) they whine like crybabies
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Posted:Oct 06 2001 at 2:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah, that would be useful for a monk. We all know that monks don't dual wield or use 2HB. If I was a monk, I would deffinatly want to greatly reduce my damage output for this.
Monks are cool I like monks I have a monk but monk posts I can't stand I'm gonna hit the next person who posts anything about monks using an item. BTW this is so a BITEME class item
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Posted:Oct 05 2001 at 10:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) it drops in tov with about the same stats but is ezer to kill so IHGYUing shut up
it is from Vulak'Aerr. having 75 ac on a shield from him is not unreasonable, as he is the second hardest mob in the game. He is as tough as they come, and if you kill him he better drop some amazing loot.