Scars of Velious
Honestly i think that this item should go to whom ever the guild that killed him wants it to go to so what differense does it make if people post stuff about who this should go to, it won't change peoples minds )
Gregg of Prexus
"Everdays a Good Day"
Wurm Claw Pauldrons
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Let the person willing to spend the most DKP get the item. Pay for it what it is worth for you, if it is worth more to someone else, or they have more points because they raid more, or not got much recently, then they deserve it. You get out of aguild what you put in, in it's truest form.
No political BS of a NBG system.
and Random just sucks
Dai
Edited, Fri Dec 20 04:10:07 2002
No political BS of a NBG system.
and Random just sucks
Dai
Edited, Fri Dec 20 04:10:07 2002
13 posts
This item can benefit anyone, that is why it is all/all. Everyone should have a chance at this item. It is true it would benefit hybrids the most, if you get statistical with it, but on raids like this, everyone that participates will want a piece, simple =)
Actually once you are in a guild that can take DtD this is an item that most will think about before "wanting" it thru what ever loot system is used. I have yet to see a pick up raid take NToV and take ouy DtD. Unless you are a loot ***** you do not go in on items that has a lot of stats that will not benifit you if some one else in the Guild can be better benifited by it.
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Renaan, your a gimp, its people like you that give monks a bad name on thse boards.Ralistah your a gimp too, why do enchanter need ac, they will get rapped no matter what they try to cast spells on, ***** enchanters, they are just as bad as whiny *** monks, they see a peice of all/all armor and they claim it like newbies. most of you gimp newbies that post on this board will get any of this stuff so just do us all a favor and shut the $%^& up, your comments make us all a little dumber.
60 grandmaster
veeshan
60 grandmaster
veeshan
All I can say is, well said.
Kom, well for one renaan does know his stuff ;p and the reason why you will see so many posts on items with low weight that are good for monks saying monk item is because THEY ARE monk items, they DO go to monks first.
Not like it matters, anybody who is distributing loot for an NToV capable guild doesn't come to allakhazams to find out how to hand out loot, they know what items go to who from the stats.
And I HIGHLY doubt anyone is gonna think badly of monks because of a few posts on boards, but if anyone was making them look bad, it would be you with your ****** flames.
Not like it matters, anybody who is distributing loot for an NToV capable guild doesn't come to allakhazams to find out how to hand out loot, they know what items go to who from the stats.
And I HIGHLY doubt anyone is gonna think badly of monks because of a few posts on boards, but if anyone was making them look bad, it would be you with your ****** flames.
The only things that ARE monks are items that have monks listed as the only class. It is assinine to assume that every NToV capable guild distributes loot the same or everyone does it from a powerleveling viewpoint.
Ccraxtd Skullz
50 Shaman
Tallon Zek
Ccraxtd Skullz
50 Shaman
Tallon Zek
42 posts
ROFLMAO, now thats comedy at its best hehe. Always nyce to see pple call others gimps and denounce them as giving us monks a bad name.
BTW they are giving us a bad name
BTW they are giving us a bad name
16 posts
It's "you're" btw.
10 posts
Good to see someone needs to spell check these ... Cheers!!!!
44 posts
And I'm a gimp because?
I know of what I speak, these goto monks first :)
Monks like me :)
I know of what I speak, these goto monks first :)
Monks like me :)
renaan what is your site?..
Ohh, id love to see her magelo profile :P their website is www.enlighteneddark.org :P
UBBAH, they woke up kara ... :BOOOO!!
UBBAH, they woke up kara ... :BOOOO!!
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 21 2001 at 5:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes, most loot Dagarn goes to monks :)
Welp, I notice that Denalo is wearing a pair of these, too.
12 posts
As a level 56 warrior, I would bow to int casters on this item. My AC (and that of any other tank high enough to kill this mob) is well over 1100. Yet many level 60 casters are still suffering with 600 or so AC. Clearly they (especially enchanters) need the protection more than a tank does.
All I can say to that is THANK YOU. That is one of the most selfless, wise posts I have ever read. I have both melees and casters, and it is rare to hear someone actually say something like that.
Safe Travels
Safe Travels
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 16 2001 at 1:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah, why would they make something with WIS *AND* INT? Like all those stupid Dragon items, and that darn Primal Velium! I HATE how they give me stats I dont need!!!
I think Verant is just lazy... Obviously, no class needs both WIS and INT, especially since tradeskills only matter with whatever stat is highest, ( contrary to popular belief )... This only leads to items that drop for people with bonuses that EVERY Class is going to want...
I would like to see more Class specific armor, and perhaps some more Deity specific armor... it would make less quarreling over items, and more interesting items IMHO... like Shroud of Zek (Warriors only), or Cloak of the Tranquil (Prexus only)
I would like to see more Class specific armor, and perhaps some more Deity specific armor... it would make less quarreling over items, and more interesting items IMHO... like Shroud of Zek (Warriors only), or Cloak of the Tranquil (Prexus only)
Pain Lord Darknyss Grimscale
92 Iksar Crusader of the Greenmist
92 Iksar Crusader of the Greenmist
Class/race/diety restricted armor can be incredibly frustrating. Ever been on a planes raid where stuff for one class dropped and there either there was no member of that class on the raid or else the class members already had the item? Meanwhile, there were no drops for another class that could actually loot some of the items?
The more no drop armor is restricted, the more it rots. And of course, if the mob always drops, for example, 2 items, one of the spots was just wasted.
Back when NPCs would still accept anything you gave them some of the uber guilds like to hand in NToV loot to Mort and Gage just to see people's reactions upon reading messages like: Mort says "Thanks for the Tolan's Longsword of the Glade, Soandso."
Edited, Sat Sep 28 01:06:00 2002
The more no drop armor is restricted, the more it rots. And of course, if the mob always drops, for example, 2 items, one of the spots was just wasted.
Back when NPCs would still accept anything you gave them some of the uber guilds like to hand in NToV loot to Mort and Gage just to see people's reactions upon reading messages like: Mort says "Thanks for the Tolan's Longsword of the Glade, Soandso."
Edited, Sat Sep 28 01:06:00 2002
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come on do you really have to ask a question like this ? who cares if they are lazy or not? so what if they make a good deal of items in ToV to be non class specific? There are still things that are class specific as well. they items that can be used by all classes, its a nice item , but not everyone is going to want it either , but it still leaves the option open of the item to be balanced amongst any user and not be super twinked all at the same time.Int casters can use it for the AC and the Int, Wis casters can use it for the AC and the Wis, tanks can use it for the AC and the Str/sta and hybrid tanks can use it for the AC int/wis/str whatever. The fact that they made the item so usable by any class does not make the lazy, just learning to be more FLEXABLE in there higher end items. You make the arguement that it should be more class/race/religion specific or whatever, but why ? do they not have plenty of that in other hunting areas in the game for you ? there are a VERY large amount of items in the game that are for certain classes/races that have terrible stats that they DO NOT need and other people that need them can just sit there and drool wishing they can use them. They start making open end items that is wearable by anyone and you have to complain ?
i am truely sorry you feel this way
i am truely sorry you feel this way
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you are forgeting, that some trade skills such as smithing use both wis and int to determine success rate ( Wis ) and rate of learning ( int ). Its nice not to have to carry a set of wis and int items for us of those who craft.
Actually that is a big misconception that is entirely untrue. There have been some information straight from the horses mouth on this (I don't have the link for it handy, but you can head to the actual everquest site, or I *think* even castersrealm, do some digging, you will find it). Just worry about INT or WIS, not both. Only the higher of those two stats matter. There are suppsed to be secondary stats that effect individual trade skills (STR for blacksmithing for example) but I will whole-heartedly admit I am not positive of the effects of those secondary stats.
The WIS/INT one-or-the-other makes a lot of sense if you think about it. Why would you penalize a WIS caster on his learning just because his/her class uses wisdom as a primary stat? Or why would you penalize an INT caster on his sucess rate for the same reasons? I have taken a few characters, both WIS and INT casters, to Grand Master (250) or master (101-249) in every skill, and I can tell you from my experience at least that only your HIGHEST, either INT or WIS, seems to effect your skill ups and sucess rate. If you don't believe me, dig around and you will eventually find the post from Sony/Verant that relates to this subject. (Sorry for the off-topic post)
Safe Travels
The WIS/INT one-or-the-other makes a lot of sense if you think about it. Why would you penalize a WIS caster on his learning just because his/her class uses wisdom as a primary stat? Or why would you penalize an INT caster on his sucess rate for the same reasons? I have taken a few characters, both WIS and INT casters, to Grand Master (250) or master (101-249) in every skill, and I can tell you from my experience at least that only your HIGHEST, either INT or WIS, seems to effect your skill ups and sucess rate. If you don't believe me, dig around and you will eventually find the post from Sony/Verant that relates to this subject. (Sorry for the off-topic post)
Safe Travels
Scholar
16 posts
I guess the thought is that at least its possible to walk away with an item after a long raid. Nothing worse than spending 6-8 hours on a raid only to have none of your class specific stuff drop. If it's all/all theoretically you should have a chance at it unless you've got some leader who thinks everything with ac should go to the tanks regardless of how many items they already looted that day.
15 posts
Not to mention, looted all day over their whole careers.
I agree, but wouldn't it be nice to have 3 items drop, something with WIS, something with INT, somthing with Other stats... I mean, when they add an item with WIS and INT, it almost seems like they just didn't feel like coming up with 2 items... seriously... who needs WIS AND INT?
Pain Lord Darknyss Grimscale
92 Iksar Crusader of the Greenmist
92 Iksar Crusader of the Greenmist
A better question to ask, is "Who -doesn't- need INT /and/ WIS?" I mean, why complain, when you're getting two things? Maybe they were lazy, probably not -- a cleric AND an enchanter could roll on this, have the chance. My thought is that if it's extra, don't complain.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Aug 16 2001 at 3:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) me dun want dis tings. me wan da class spechific tings dat i can wear. led dem oddas roll for it. i dreamd las nite dat i was in kael killen dem giants jus so dat i can ged me stubb dat i need for mychelf. me gunna play dis guy where he get da most hp and str. he deal sa dmg and taunt...all da oddas just attack and dun taunt. led me be da man who can help yue get yur tings yue like. and me tink dat casters need da ac too if da dumb tankies not gonna save dem in time dey too need da gud stubb to help dem out. ib yue need me help contac me at 555....oh waid der minute.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 15 2001 at 10:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) man all i know is this thing would be sweet for my monk at 33 ac is nice and 10str would make a diffrence
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 15 2001 at 9:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) People just need a place to brag about their infinite knowledge of Everquest. It only gets them flamed and wastes their time...sorta like I just did :)
48 posts
Sorry had to do it.. nobody ever claims items for the lonely beastmasters.. might as well start somewhere :P.. j/k
3 posts
Man that was funny :)
Anonymous
Ok, i'm sick of all the people posting about "This item should go to ----" .. "No, moron, obviously this is a ---- item!" Thats lovely, really, but its up to the raid/guild leader who wins what items. So if your raid leader decides that monks aren't allowed to roll, no amount of posting here will change that. I'm also sick of all the people here posting "I hate when people argue about what item should go to who.. blah blah blah." For once it would be great to see some questions about the item, and maybe some answers too. Lets get some data up here like how often the item drops, strats to kill that mob, what to do and what not to do, etc. I'm not talking about this one item but all items in general. /rant off
59 ranger of tunare
mith marr
please flame me below:
59 ranger of tunare
mith marr
please flame me below:
23 posts
"I'm also sick of all the people here posting "I hate when people argue about what item should go to who.. blah blah blah.""
Isn't that what you just did?
Isn't that what you just did?
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 16 2001 at 9:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I hate when people say i hate about someone saying I hate something.
14 posts
I'm starting to get a little upset at all the posts about what classes should get such and such item, I end up wasting a lot of time looking for actual information. Out of all the posts I saw, ONE had useful information concerning this item. Just one. Does anyone else see how pointless and old these arguments are, or is it just me?
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 15 2001 at 9:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok guys I read all your comments and I think let me point out that this is probably a melee armor
As a cleric, I wouldn't want these given to me.
At this point, most clerics have the weight of the gods already, or even the quest shoulders from Sky. Less AC yes, but better overall stats and WotG has a sweet save vs magic. The quest spauldrons from sky have 12 wis if I remember correctly.
Keep in mind, this is ToV. There's alot of loot for everyone and there's no point taking a minor upgrade for yourself that might be a major upgrade for another class.
At this point, most clerics have the weight of the gods already, or even the quest shoulders from Sky. Less AC yes, but better overall stats and WotG has a sweet save vs magic. The quest spauldrons from sky have 12 wis if I remember correctly.
Keep in mind, this is ToV. There's alot of loot for everyone and there's no point taking a minor upgrade for yourself that might be a major upgrade for another class.
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by the time you are hunting this guy its for guild loot so all you do is hope its your turn i would be glad to have these on one of the rangers or pally's in front of me my warior buds have maxed thier str and ac in this slot long befor now. the mana and wis and int is definatly to help the hybreads come up to snuff, as a shaman i will sacrifice the ac for prayer shawl or some other wis gear as long as the meat sheild in front of me is happy and well protected but if i could have them then thanks boss and i will send the cash in the mail tomorrow.
mystic 51
crimson tempest
nameless
mystic 51
crimson tempest
nameless
Lemme just remind some folks of a few little things. First, stat bonuses are nice for ALL classes. It would appear the the high AC and STR bonuses earmark this for a melee type. Further, considering that it takes magic shoulder pieces to make slam happen against resistant mob, I'd say a LARGE melee or caster... perhaps a shaman.
Bottom line here is if Verant wanted a set class to have exclusive claim to an item they would make them useable by that class alone...
Thayn
Bottom line here is if Verant wanted a set class to have exclusive claim to an item they would make them useable by that class alone...
Thayn
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 15 2001 at 4:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Can't even remember rangers. Bahh, to hell with you all! Rangers would own everyone if they made them more by the d&d rules, which they fashioned most of their classes from.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 15 2001 at 4:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) when ur hunting in veeshans peak, the melees SHOULD already have something better than 25AC...
#Anonymous,
Posted: Aug 15 2001 at 5:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok...if you'd bothered to check, you would have noticed that this is the highest (recorded) ac shoulder...so obviously, no one would have higher ac shoulders.
36 posts
umm dude you do realise that places like VP and ToV are really the only places where 25+ ac shoulder slots drop....would make it hard to have them before you get there
2 posts
Hell, I wouldn't mind these for my cleric, sure they don't compare to the epolets, but 25 ac and 10 str is hard to pass up, and I'm to the point where I'm starting to trade wis gear for resist gear anyhow.
And of course my Sk would just scream for these.
And of course my Sk would just scream for these.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 15 2001 at 9:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Before everyone flames him.. let me!
Anonymous
Actually, Clerics are HEALERS.. not normal Casters.. IE Mage, Necro, Chanter, Wiz. The major point here is healers need AC too.. Like when the Tank flubs up and breaks the wrong mez. I'm a 56th Shaman, I have 198 Wis without Form of the Great Bear. And my current shoulders are. Reinforced Dragonwing Mantle: AC 12, 35 HPs, 35 Mana. My point is, overhealing causes NASTY agros sometimes. Slows cause Nasty aggros nearly EVERY time. I'm currently considering dropping my Wis 10 points just so I can get better AC.
Also, I've heard it stated that there may be an AC Soft cap of 1100-1200, meaning you receive diminishing returns afterwards. My unbuffed AC is 910. Do you HONESTLY think that for 1 second I wouldn't be extatic with such nice shoulders? The problem is sir, you are being greedy. You don't want anyone to claim a right to thi lovely item when/if you EVER get a shot at it. You are trying to eliminate potential competition from an item that several classes would obviously benefit from. Who gets the most benefit??? I'd say most likely Hybrids. Al of it's stats are perfection for a hybrid. Really it's incosequential what any of us say on this board about WHO gets an item. In the end, the whining reduces us to children throwing a tantrum in a store. MAMA I WANT THAT *sob* BUY ME THAT! *cry*. Just think it over a bit. And 1 last thing. Do you think tanks REALLY need to worry about their Strength at these levels? I mean how often are they going to go without Focus, etc on these big raids.. ROFL
-Horaxe Dreamwalker, 56th Barbarian Luminary, Tarrew Marr
Also, I've heard it stated that there may be an AC Soft cap of 1100-1200, meaning you receive diminishing returns afterwards. My unbuffed AC is 910. Do you HONESTLY think that for 1 second I wouldn't be extatic with such nice shoulders? The problem is sir, you are being greedy. You don't want anyone to claim a right to thi lovely item when/if you EVER get a shot at it. You are trying to eliminate potential competition from an item that several classes would obviously benefit from. Who gets the most benefit??? I'd say most likely Hybrids. Al of it's stats are perfection for a hybrid. Really it's incosequential what any of us say on this board about WHO gets an item. In the end, the whining reduces us to children throwing a tantrum in a store. MAMA I WANT THAT *sob* BUY ME THAT! *cry*. Just think it over a bit. And 1 last thing. Do you think tanks REALLY need to worry about their Strength at these levels? I mean how often are they going to go without Focus, etc on these big raids.. ROFL
-Horaxe Dreamwalker, 56th Barbarian Luminary, Tarrew Marr
I have to agree on the Agro part of this. I was the healer in a 3 person cat group in IC Monday, we had 3 cats at one time. Now most of the time, when we had a multi-pull, when I would heal our main tank, ONE cat would agro onto me. Not a big problem, I can mele one cat and hold my own, only taking 1-2 bubs of hp loss until one of the three could taunt it off. Well to continue, I cast a GH on our tank, and ALL THREE cats decided to eat me for lunch! These were Blue to Yellow to me, but proceded to munch away. And no matter what, the tanks could not pull them off of me before ...LOADING PLEASE WAIT...
So, saying that Clerics, as a caster group, should not worry about AC is bunk. The more AC you have, the better you can fend off that multi-agro you just created when you heal your tanks.
So, saying that Clerics, as a caster group, should not worry about AC is bunk. The more AC you have, the better you can fend off that multi-agro you just created when you heal your tanks.
I would definitely give clerics a shot at this because I like to live. Giving to a pure caster makes less sense since they can't get AC anywhere near a clerics so they will die when attacked anyways unless the tanks can taunt off them within a few seconds.
From a Cleric standpoint...by the time a Cleric would be seeing these they had better be at or over the soft cap of 200 wis. And if you're not worried about maxing out wis, these would make a hellacious upgrade to Adamantite Epaulets...from a Cleric standpoint. There are other classes that would probably benefit more from them though...
Esrevatem Dlareme
43rd(for the moment) Cleric
Drinal
Esrevatem Dlareme
43rd(for the moment) Cleric
Drinal
#Anonymous,
Posted: Aug 16 2001 at 11:15 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, i wouls say, and i am a wiazrd of proficien,
#Anonymous,
Posted: Aug 14 2001 at 7:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) There is a PH for him that actually drops better shoulders than these. Sad really.
Anonymous
ROFL... Dagarn does not have a PH, he's a weekly spawn wurm. The only shoulders better than these for melees are off Vulak, but casters/priests can get better ones off other dragons.
That's the problem with all these newbs arguing about how great the items are for class X. They don't see all the items and realize that there are items more suited for some classes than others.
For example, if you aren't a melee, you don't ask for these shoulders when there's another item that drops nearby which is AC 15, 10 sta/wis/int, 30 hp/mana, 8 sv all but is caster/priest only.
You have to have perspective, which comes from actually killing the dragons for yourself (or spending an awful lot of time tracking down the stats on it all).
That's the problem with all these newbs arguing about how great the items are for class X. They don't see all the items and realize that there are items more suited for some classes than others.
For example, if you aren't a melee, you don't ask for these shoulders when there's another item that drops nearby which is AC 15, 10 sta/wis/int, 30 hp/mana, 8 sv all but is caster/priest only.
You have to have perspective, which comes from actually killing the dragons for yourself (or spending an awful lot of time tracking down the stats on it all).
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 14 2001 at 6:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) To bad shoulder pieces dont show up on the character these would look awsome im shure. hehe
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 14 2001 at 11:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't say this often but.... these are monks =P Monk, Warrior, Shadowknight, Paladin, Ranger.... no one else
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 15 2001 at 12:23 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't see how a druid could pass on these. Wisdom, Mana, AC, not to mention a slew of other nice to have's. Perfect for a druid.
An Obulus Death Shroud is a better shoulder item for a druid. Personally I would not roll on this item even if I was allowed.
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