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Posted:Jun 27 2003 at 8:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I found one of these on the floor in bazaar the other day, didnt cost me a thing and now i am the most wicked level 36 ranger to grace Dawnshroud Peaks... heh, iwish!
I dream of having this weapon someday, do u think It would be good for A troll warrior??? well its my weapon of choice, im on tholuxe paells im Bagkbaz look me up if your there.........I WANT THAT SWORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /cry
Some guy was auctioning one of these on Lany's for 380k. I thought that was a pretty good price. I sent the guy a tell b/c of my curiousity and he said he was taking some time off from the game....<sigh>
Boilerhead Texican 37 Ogre <Disciples of Betrayal>
Likely there is, but I gurantee you anyone high enough to take on the Avatar of War (or heck, even be able to scrape together the plat together to buy this) is high enough to get the proc.
This isn't something people will go around twinking with, hehe.
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Posted:May 10 2003 at 2:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The BoC suks compared to Luclin PoP ubbermobs nocrop weapons but it isnt knoq as they are no drop and are not in market, btw visit this
im thinking if i ever get the opportunity to swing this with a zek crested buckler or stormrider carapace or someother fb shield itd be a good tanking combo for holding agro/ac, but i wasnt sure, has anyone tried this combo?
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Posted:Apr 29 2003 at 5:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) this isnt only good for a warrior but also a pally and ok for a SK i mean warriors are best tanks but pally and SK next and im sick of ppl sayen it should only be given to a warrior i mean yes if a warrior at the raid is a main tank and doesnt have better id give to him but theres a warrior there as MA and pally as Mt pally should get it no question (unless has better)
it should goto wars,cause SK/pallys allrdy got spells 2 get aggro,and the ratio on this wep is low compared to some of the higher end tradble pally/sk 1handers,wars depends on thier aggro procs,while SKs and pallys got some nice spells to draw the aggro.
"... i mean warriors are best tanks but pally and SK next and im sick of ppl sayen it should only be given to a warrior i mean yes if a warrior at the raid is a main tank and doesnt have better id give to him but theres a warrior there as MA and pally as Mt pally should get it no question..."
Understand too, that the mobs you tank at L50 are a bit different than the ones at L60+.../disc defensive or /disc evasive are critical to you not wiping the whole raid sometimes. SK and Palys are good tanks, but when you need aggro control and good damaage mitigation then this belongs in the hands of a warrior plain and simple.
The ratio would be pretty crappy for pal/sks and they also don't have to worry about proc aggro as much due to the fact that pallys can chain cast stun and sks can chain cast dot/snare to easily hold aggro without needing the enraging blow. I'd rather have this go to the guild bank for future warriors joining the guild or for to fund the guild then to any of the other classes listed other than warriors. Due to being hybrids and having utility spells and such 3 of the 5 classes listed shouldn't have aggro problems if they actually want to obtain aggro, warriors on the other hand are very proc reliant and bards should just stay away.
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Posted:Mar 23 2003 at 1:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Someone selling the Blade on Server Solusek Ro ????
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Posted:Feb 20 2003 at 5:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok i have this blade . i use Spectre of Destruction with it . It hits very hard , but not as i would put it "hard" .
Normally, I try to avoid these "This is <insert class of choice> <item>!" discussions. But on this one, I felt I had to weigh in. In my humble opinion, this weapon should go to a warrior. My main is a Warrior, but I also play both a Ranger and a Paladin. I just think this is your ultimate, Main Tank, weapon. Let's ignore the stats and the ratio, any class could and would benefit from them. It's the proc that makes this weapon unique. It is specifically design for the person you want taking the damage. In most cases, only exception being when one isn't available, that is your warrior.
Any guild capable of doing AoW would not be giving a BoC to any other class then a war (most guilds will stop farming AoW once all Wars in the guild have a BoC) no matter the loot policy, merit system, dictation, etc. Giving a BoC to any other class listed here besides a War totally defeats the entire purpose of raiding, of course if you people would play EQ instead of just searching for gear out of your range, you might make it here one day. AoW now a days is a fairly gimp fight. So I dont know why you all are ********* its pointless. I have yet to see anyone other then a war use a BoC for grouping (xp), if someone in my guild was using BoC during a raid there *** would be booted (other then the Main Tank). But what do I know, ive only been there and killed AoW 27 times, I *may* not know anything, really...
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Posted:Dec 05 2002 at 8:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) this is perfect for rangers yea with the low delay and the 700 hate point proc! rangers super best for this item! .. im j/k
Umm, well yes this would be a nice ranger weapon beside the proc, if a ranger is hunting something and this bad boy procs...taking the agrro the ranger would not last but a few seconds against a higher mob. It seems to have been designed for. . .or at least would be most useful to a warrior, with the hate proc, great damage and fast attack. Have fun trying to get the agrro from somebody with one of these.
Yeah, I have a ranger, he would, and i'm sure any other melee would kill for this weapon, but if it came down to it I would hand it to my warrior. He would make the most use of it.
Any other class besides a SK or Pally would umm...not last long with the agrro in a raid. So this weapon would do as much harm as good to a lower armored melee such as a ranger or bard.
great weapon for the solo ranger... aggro doesn't matter when you are solo... Then again i would never hsve this before the warrior so it does not matter anyway.
Also keep in min that the at the high end of the game most rangers, dont melee to much anymore with AM3, and EQ, and therefore damage/delay/proc doesnt mean anything, its the stats that it has that counts. dex/str/sta/hp/saves, making this ubah ranger weapon =) Just be sure to unequip it before meleeing
Hello!!! Not to cut down other classes but this sword is not meant for anybody not a warrior. The Stats and proc support that. A pally would probably not want to use it during a raid, all other classes listed would just...die, fast. And yes the Warrior Epic is still nice but, yeah the epic could use an upgrade, this weapon and the Luclin weapons out class it very much so..
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Posted:Dec 19 2002 at 8:21 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) what you complaining about? the paladin epic pretty much sucks after velious. not to mention that its the worest of the epic's...and it was the first i might add. and why wouldn't a paladin use this on a raid huh? well if something goes wrong and thier tanking they would be useing this...or atleast i would. it holds arrgo great, which could save the raid...and yes paladins do save raids alot.
#1 This weapon will not go to any other class than a warrior unless all warriors present at the raid already have. If you don't know this, you're not in a guild capable of taking down AoW.
#2 What are YOU complaining about? Every single damn high end mob drops some sort of uber paladin weapon. Paladins have an entire library of weapons at their disposal in the high end game. Also, their stuns generate a massive amount of taunt. Warrior taunt weapons are much rarer. This one and Bloodfrenzy are the only ones I can think of with enraging blow proc.
You're obviously not in a guild that's capable of taking down high end stuffs and you don't know what you're talking about, but here you are acting like you do, and thus wasting people's time.
Maybe should take the time and learn to read someday. I heard about this program called Hooked on Phonics, it's supposed to be able to teach children to read so I hope it might be able to do the same with you.
If you would take the time to read what he was saying then you'd see:
"...but this sword is <b>not meant for anybody not a warrior</b>."
" A pally would probably <b>not</b> want to use it during a raid"
#1 Lern 2 reed #2 Giv yerself a cople mor yers to grow UUP
Note the little line that says "1 post skipped by filter settings?"
You're flaming this guy for not "taking the time to see what hes saying", then you quote a different post from the one he is replying to. Turn your POST filter to "NEVER FILTER" and read the post the guy was replying to.
Personally, I'd hate to flame someone like that, then turn out to be wrong.
i know i know its uber hard to kill this **** but omg! can we say jipped!? a DROPPABLE sword that has better stats than my (warrior) epic its insane 14/24 thats lamentation ratio! vs 15/20 its just not fair!!! (i know that lamentation doesn't have all the other + stats but i'm just talking ratio wise)
9/19 & 14/24 are the same ratio? You doin that new math they talk so much about? 2.11111 vs 1.7413? Really unsure how you came out with same ratio deal. Epics are Kunark weapons, and a kunark level of difficulty in acheiving.
I think that its great that its droppable, that way people who are unable to do raid, because of slow comps, and stuff like that can have it, but its also a way to MAKE money if no one that was there could use this item, or now that pop is out, could have had better.
If you knew what it takes to kill this mob, You would know why the loot is good. It took us 6 attempts to kill him and it requires full concentration throughout. We did him with 58 people in the end, and it was a huge buzz to finally kill him.
I THINK his main beef is that it's droppable, and that is a very solid beef. NOTHING on this mob should be droppable, if you can't kill it, you don't deserve to have it. No matter how much pp you can save up, period.
Depending on the proc frequency, that 288dmg stun may very well put the SoD and BoC on the same level.
15/20 vs. 12/18, the victor is clear, but add a 288dmg proc to the 12/18 and after parsing it may turn out to be around 14/18, which is superior to 15/20.
Enraging Blow vs. a stun, I would pick the stun. The simple fact that you are a warrior who can taunt (cause lets face it, that's who's gonna get this weapon) and the fact that stuns draw mad aggro -- both of these factors will counter balance the 700 hate list bump if you ask me, especially since the mob cannot do damage while it is stunned. Now, when you fight mobs that hit for 90s and 100s -- not that important. But end mob bosses that do quads of 350s - 500s, well, a 6 sec stun like this (I think that's the stun length) can mean one or two less quads like that during the course of the battle. Saves clerics mana, saves raids.
Just my thoughts. And then of course there's the solo'ing application of the SoD vs. the BoC. No question there. Stun da bish.
OK I feel the need to post again on this same weapon. 1st of all it's a zero second stun... aka an interrupt, yes can be big but it is a combat proc so pray you are lucky enough to have it go off during your mobs cast, but it will not save your clerics any mana unless you get lucky. 2nd, the 2 weapons probably do parse out about the same, really irrelevant. 3rd, how many end mob bosses are stunnable? Verant does NOT make it quite that easy, stun isn't going to land and will give you zero aggro. MT's job is +hate, there's a reason the best tanks in the game use enraging blow weapons in their main hands. Finally, warriors do not solo.
Any of you rangers out there thinking you want this sword your wrong, only time you would ever get to use it (unless your a ******) is when your soloing or in a group where you are tank. on a raid and this procs you will die. think of jolt and how well that works, this is about 2X what jolt does but works as a taunt. But it really doesnt matter we use bows on raids anyways =)
I don't know what the argument is about; This is clearly a MONK item; On my SERVER it is the COOLEST MONK ITEM YET, WOW, Look at the LOW WEIGHT, clearly A MONK ITEM. Hey, it doesn't matter if they can't weild it. Look at the LOW WEIGHT. you know I'm right. Give up the arguments.... ROFL, Just pulling your legs......
well considering that the new enchanter spell: Boggle decreases your aggro by about 400 points, and tehrefore on more occaisions effectively taks you off of the hate list, *increasing* your position on the hate list by 700 points must be a huge maount of aggro that i cant imagine can be supplemented by a simple nuke+stun (enchanter nukes have nuke and stun component but boggle masks the aggro very effectively.
Therefore to conclude, i think that BOS probably has the better effect on it; now how much the ratio on the weapons matters, i have no idea, i dont exactly melee a lot unless im farming greens :P
Good luck!
btw ToS on saryrn = on our first try we got AoW all the way down to 19% with 60 people :) Great work guys i love ya!!
Dang this sword be nice! I noticed it was not NO DROP... makes me wonder what the price of this sword is. Well, hope someday I get in uber guild and can get one for myself!
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Posted:May 18 2002 at 7:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is not THE BEST MAINTANK WEAPON, the proc takes 700 points off the mobs hate list, therefore making it much more difficult to hold the agro. More suited for a ranger I'd say.
no guild in there right mind should let a ranger obtain this weapon all,it would only **** off the cleric cause he would have to heal you if you lived the first 10sec. of the battle and the rez. and this increases you on the hate list so if anything is should be on a warrior cause they could take the hits
you are absolutely incorrect, this is THE MOST TAUNTING WEAPON IN THE GAME. If you're NOT a MT you have no business weilding this weapon. We have 4 of these weapons between the two guilds who cooperatively kill AoW regularly. Look at the name of the proc, Enraging Blow...that should say it all.
Lowering you on the hate list means it decreases what number you are on the ranking, so to speak. Or you could look at it this way (example only):
There are 1200 people on the mob's hate list. The person in the # 1 spot is the one he hates the most. The person in the # 1200 spot is the one he hates the least. Let's say when your group starts attacking your tank, who currently holds agro, is in the # 600 position, and you are in # 700. If you use this weapon and it procs your ranking is changed to # 1 which makes that mob hate you more than anything else, and thus you get a mad agro on you. In the case of a ranger this could mean big trouble because of lower ac/hp than your tank and means you get hit harder and die faster.
I know it says lowers you on the targets hate list by 700, but that actually increases your aggro. If you look at something like jolt, it says, lowers you on the targets hate list by -500. So unless the number is negative, it does increase your aggro.
OMG you people....Ranger weapon HAH!!!! This proc is awesome for warriors. Why the hell would there be a weapon off a mob like this that has a proc that takes aggro away from warriors. This thing is a good taunt weapon. There are some other weapons that have the same proc that drop in Ssra. Come on people use some common sense....Ranger Weapon sheesh.
Ganlaan Stormwind 58 Preserver Forged Souls The Seventh Hammer
This blade IS THE BEST MAINTANK WEAPON THERE IS!!! Whoever says otherwise has no clue about a warrior and a warriors job. 15/20 is a great ratio... This blade has 15st AND 100hp...
The Proc on it is the most taunting proc that was introduced into game as of yet.
If, and that is a big if, I get this sword someday, this will never leave my barbarian hands.
This partnered with primal (hategiver when primal proc'ed) is the most taunting combo out there.
I don't really know but most of the 60 wars on my server (Tunare) don't even have things close to this good, they have like LSoEE and Frostbinger. But maybe the greatest warriors are always on raids, just saying this is a really really nice wep. Maybe haven't seen it because no guild on my server could take this guy down but this is like the third best wep in the game so all the people saying they wouldn't even really take this sword are crazy. Probably the best wep i will ever see is Frostbringer. Just my 2cp
~Trendos Trootyfruity (Btw i was just checking if it would past my last name, it was all a mistake..but u can flame me all u want) 38th GNOME WARRIOR Tunare
these swords are now going to guild banks because everyone already has one or something better from Luclin. also, the monk leggings go to guild bank too, because a guild can only have so many monks.
Quite correct, it's not No Drop. sells on CT for around 250k+. And anyone saying these are rotting in Banks are High. I've seen alot of guilds who's MA is weilding a BoC and something like Splitblade of Destuction or similar 1hs. Nice weapon no matter who you are. /gratz to those that get it.