Claw of Lightning

# May 11 2001 at 12:43 AM Rating: Decent

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OK all it is not to know about the haste in all but i bet there are some ppl that would just like to know where and who in the heck we can get this off. please if any one knows post it. Thanks and have a good time all.

Woodling darkmeadow
lvl 42 ranger

where it drop

# May 11 2001 at 12:41 AM Rating: Decent

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Who cares

# Apr 28 2001 at 9:56 AM Rating: Default

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Who cares what it stacks with, wheres the damn thing drop, thats all I want to know. All I need is to be pointed in the direction of the mob that drops it, then stand back and watch the show. Uh, as long as theres a cleric or two around it'll be a good show=)

Garetjax, Sentinal, 53rd dark elf warrior

Haste erp

# Apr 25 2001 at 3:57 AM Rating: Default

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Since bard haste is pulse(not totally constant) it would be smart to have a spell haste along with your bard's, but while the song is on, the better of the 2 will will be your enchanted haste, same with items, the better haste item will be your item haste, you will have nly 1 item haste and 1 enchanted haste at a time, thats all.

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 26 2001 at 8:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) bard song stacks with item and spell haste because it is pulse, ie not constant. so you can have one of each at any given time

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 24 2001 at 5:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) if you look at the image it is a fist that is glowing the red is a fist that is why it is for monk glove item glowing fists this pic does not make any sense!

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 24 2001 at 3:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This weapon should go to a rogue. Reasons why:

RE: Rogue Weapon

# Jul 30 2001 at 1:25 AM Rating: Default

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no way dude. to much taunt for a rogue

RE: Rogue Weapon

# May 06 2001 at 1:54 AM Rating: Default

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I dont see how this is even a question?

rogues outdamage every class by 1.5x-3x over a peroid greater than 1 minuite.

rogues outdamage a wizard over a peroid of 20 seconds.

rogues outdamage other melee over a peroid of 20 seconds.

(one note, I have never seen dragons/giants bane in use, but hypotheticly they are able to deal a ton of damage in a full mana regen situation chain casting this, *but* I cannot speak from personal expeience on this)

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 24 2001 at 6:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Reasons why you shouldn't be posting:

RE: Rogue Weapon

# Apr 24 2001 at 8:38 PM Rating: Default

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Anonymous

Reasons why i question your sanity...

1. Monks fists with epic is better, besides its 1hs moron.
2. Rogues easily do more damage than a casting class 50+, saying they suck just shows how ignorant you really are.

Leezurd Mann,
MONK, 7th Hammer

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 24 2001 at 8:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Reasons why YOU shouldn't be posting:

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 24 2001 at 10:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Reasons why YOU shouldn't be posting:

RE: Too bad

# May 09 2001 at 12:31 PM Rating: Default

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Anonymous

It's funny how people post their misconceptions without actual proof. Rogues put out more damage than monks. Look at the logs. And yes, we're counting backstab, because any moron rogue after 40 knows how to get behind the mob and poke.

Secondly, the damage output between warriors and monks isn't all that far off. If you give them similar weapons and compare the logs, you will find that the damage output is nearly identical between the two. Monks in general put out more because monk weapons are cheaper than warrior weapons in terms of getting the same stats.

Lastly, why do people post when they don't know? Did their level 30 friend tell them how it is and they took their word as god's? Please, don't post unless you know what you're talking about. Try getting some actual proof sometime. It works wonders ;)

#REDACTED, Posted: Sep 01 2001 at 2:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) how can warriors come even close to doing the same damage as a monk? Do warriors get flying kick or any of the disciplines like that? or do they just have slash slash kick whereas a monk would be bon bonk kick punch kick... hmmm....

#REDACTED, Posted: Sep 13 2001 at 4:57 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) OMFG is your head up your *** or what? Monks and wars have duelweild, double attack, and reposit. Now consider the fact that maybe monks have "flying kick" and the fact that wars have "crit, crip" and add some commen sense. Even though monks cap higher, you know what that maybe ummm 1 dammage over 10 hours ok. And what lvl are u, guessing probly 40+ wow nice, STFU until u get I would say 60. And one more thing fully hasted we are all useing the same weapons.

RE: Too bad

# Apr 25 2001 at 6:27 AM Rating: Default

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and again, reasons why YOU Shouldn't be posting:

1. rogues outdamage monks, period, thats all!

#Anonymous, Posted: May 17 2001 at 4:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) listen all. If a rogue has his epic, I believe it is dmg 15, dely 25? well, with the haste effect, It comes out to 15/15! Thats pretty damn hard to beat, especially if he/she has another good weapon. Rogues outdamge all!!

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 28 2001 at 12:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I am not gonna say Rogues suck, cause they don't. I would be honored to have a rogue standing on the other side of the mob backstabing and letting me tank as my uber tank monkey butt.

Dueling vs Fighting

# Apr 29 2001 at 1:53 AM Rating: Default

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There IS a difference - How many times did that rogue get a chance to backstab you in your duel? None? Hrm, thought so. Instead of facing each other, find some poor warrior, and each take turns dueling him to death from behind - I'll bet a rogue will beat a monk, both properly equipped for their level, hands down.
What's the real point here? I LOVE having my friend (monk) PULL (they ROCK!) ... and I love having my rogue friend AND my monk friend beat the crap out of stuff when it gets to us (and it doesn't hurt that as a Shaman, I keep them buffed so we're just sick and wrong!)
Everyone is pretty much just as good as everyone else, when it comes down to creating a PARTY!!!

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 25 2001 at 3:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Reasons WHY YOU SHOULD NOT BE POSTING:

RE: Too bad

# May 06 2001 at 2:01 AM Rating: Default

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actually, at high level (57+) its better to have high dmg and resonable delay, because you hit the min dly softcap rather easy with < 25~30 dly weapons, and even if you dont hit the absolute haste cap, you still end up with a huge ratio compared to what you would get with say a 18 dly weapon (which is great because its alot easier [read lower ench required, no haste item required ect] to hit the cap) that capped at like 50% haste.

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 26 2001 at 7:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) from what I heard, celestial fists takes off damage, but makes the damage/delay ratio MUCH better, with celestial fists, cloak of flames, and eyepatch of plunder, I believe the monk fists are 9 damage 9 delay (no typo there amigos), I could be wrong and if I am, sorry for wasting your reading time, but I am "pretty" sure. This equasion above is why you see monks with celestial fists and a staff of shielding. (UBER) Though personally, I would take the runed fighter staff over the first combo, simply because I am a fan of high damage over fast damage. <drool>

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 25 2001 at 7:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you consider backstabbing melee damage, then yes, but for straight out combat man to man face to face, monks rock (a monk would shove a rogue's knife up his **** any day one on one).

RE: Too bad

# May 01 2001 at 2:07 PM Rating: Default

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back stab is a rogues melee (well sort of) its like saying "if you count a mages pets dmg"

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 26 2001 at 7:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I agree, in a brutal hand-to-hand, knee-to-groin fight, a rogue will have seven shades of smelly brown stuff beaten out of him. However, if a rogue can use the "circle of death" technique, you will have a much harder job trying to survive.

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 25 2001 at 10:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ok monks cant even use so shut up

RE: Too bad

# May 10 2001 at 2:38 AM Rating: Default

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The way to see it is this, Rogues and Monks are great Melee type classes. In a party, a rogue will (most of the time, not all of the time) do more dmg than anyone else in the group ala backstab. Straight up fighting, face to face with a monk, a rogue stands very little chance of winning. If you have the same lvl rogue and monk, the monk WILL have more AC and HP than the rogue. Not to mention their badass weapons. Now there are chances where a rogue can beat a monk in a duel. Matters on how well their dueling skills are. Any questions?

RE: Too bad

# Jul 28 2001 at 4:55 AM Rating: Decent

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You know what is part of a rogue too guys? Poison! Smear that dagger with a poison that blinds and your opponent is dead in a heartbeat. Yes, even monks ;)

BTW this weapon, I belive, are the claws someone has believe to be the Linx claws and they are dark blue, almost black.

Can anyone confirm this? Just a thought since they have the same stats as the rumored Linx.

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 24 2001 at 5:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Rogue epic is NOT primary only.

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# Apr 24 2001 at 2:34 PM Rating: Default

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The only good part about it is the Haste. 9 damage / 18 delay is awesome, except for one thing - Secondary only. Personally, I think this item is a disappointment.

Claw

# Apr 24 2001 at 1:52 PM Rating: Default

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This is a effect like any other haste item say FBSS for one. Unsure of true haste of it. Drawback to weapon is only goes in secondary. Drops in ToV forbidden area.

Krakkan Krouger
Iksar warlord
<The Elitist>

FBSS + Bard Song

# Apr 24 2001 at 1:50 PM Rating: Default

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Does the FBSS effect stack with the bard line of haste songs? Please assume that there is no other haste buff around heh. Static haste effects will stack with one spell like haste effect? Is that want i'm supposed to be thinking? heh Thanks

i want this weapon... but

# Apr 24 2001 at 1:25 PM Rating: Default

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No one seems to know what it drops off of. Anyone know or have any ideas or guesses even?

plz help

# Apr 24 2001 at 12:26 PM Rating: Default

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who he heck drops this?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Hastes

# Apr 24 2001 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent

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Note on SSSS. I belive the proc from this does not count as a song but as a spell. Therefore you cant both have Proc and spell at once. But in generel

item+song+spell will stack.

Dunno if bard songs stack with SSSS effect.

Cant recall what the max haste cap is. But if you hit that with two haste ie item+spell last haste wont help at all

RE: Hastes

# Apr 25 2001 at 6:33 AM Rating: Default

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Spells and songs are = in how game looks at them. Meaning you can have one item haste and one spell/song haste at any given time. Its the same as if you were wearing 36% haste and 26% haste items at same time. Game will give you 36% item haste not from both.

And in fact, where you can get stats and ac from item haste like rbg, even if you have dragon haste, songs will NOT stack with a more powerful haste spell. When trying to stack 2 songs/spells with haste, it looks purely at which has more haste %.

I know I know

# Apr 24 2001 at 6:53 AM Rating: Default

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It looks like a claw

It is a perm haste

It is being used by very pimp player who will glady laugh at you if you talk to him

Haste items dont stack, Haste spells and Haste Items will stack, I thought we knew this by now...

Bard Epic is good for its ability to act like all your instruments, the haste spell is nice but enchanters can cast better especially with shissar sticks...

I dont know why it has that item icon, I dont know why the celestial fists has that icon, I dont know why the hand of shadow has that icon, it just seems someone was real cheap in the art department over at verant.....

[55 Beguiler]Darkmask(High Elf)<The Vagrants>+Tribunal+

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 23 2001 at 11:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post)

But it says permanent

# Apr 23 2001 at 11:39 PM Rating: Decent

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The stats (albeit written by Allakhazam ) say PERMANENT. That would make this a haste item, not a process

haste

# Apr 23 2001 at 9:08 PM Rating: Default

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only 2 bard songs stack with other haste effects and basically no bards use them becvause they are lvl 55 and 60 and require a brass instrument.
Trell Descant
56 Bard

Which hall did it come from?

# Apr 23 2001 at 8:07 PM Rating: Default

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In which halls did this drop BTW? I don't know if anyone mentioned that already or not...

haste

# Apr 23 2001 at 6:48 PM Rating: Default

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Haste works like this - You have one haste item, factor that with one spell/song = your haste. Bard songs and enchanter spells do not stack..the best of the two will overwrite the other. If this weapon does infact proc haste... the haste counts as a spell, and will either not take hold if you have a higher percentage haste spell/song on or it will otherwise. If it is not a proc...than the haste on this item makes this a haste item and multiple haste items do not stack with eachother.

Tynulaver Warchant
56 bard of quellious

More on Haste

# Apr 23 2001 at 6:29 PM Rating: Default

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Verant has stated that a total of TWO haste effects will be active at once - one from an item, the other from a spell, not counting any Class inherent bonuses (Monks, I'm looking at you here). In Alith's example of two weapons, an FBSS, an Enchanter spell and a bard song, I think only two of them will work, and one of those two is the Enchanter spell. Most likely the other one used would be the highest percentage haste item, but I'm not sure. I don't actually know if bard songs count toward the Two-effect limit, but my guess is that they do, and only Augmentation and your haste item will come into play.

Corlian Ranshire
Ranger of Karana
Drinal Server

RE: More on Haste

# Apr 23 2001 at 8:28 PM Rating: Default

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i believe monks dont' have haste, but rather their hand to hand stats change at certain levels. and i also believe bard songs stack with spells (monk epic = bard song effect and stacks with spells...)

RE: More on Haste

# Apr 23 2001 at 9:10 PM Rating: Default

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Spell and song haste do not stack. I'm a monk with epics and I can confirm this.

My epics stack with no bard songs and no enchanter spells.

Thanks,

Haste Confusion

# Apr 23 2001 at 6:18 PM Rating: Default

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im just a little confused on the haste deal.. ok eventually i will obtain the singing steel short sword which procs a 55% group haste.. will this work with the FBSS(which has a 12% haste i think) and also stack with augmentation(or highest attack speed spell).. and also work with highest attack speed bard song and this weapon...

SSSS+FBSS+augmentation+bard song+lightning claw

a little help would be most appreciated

Alith Anar
23rd Bard
Drinal

RE: Haste Confusion

# Apr 23 2001 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent

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FBSS is 21% haste. The 55% haste from the Singing Short Sword effect will stack with FBSS, and overrides the haste of augment if augment is lower then 55% haste (but you still get the sta regen, agi boost though). The same will occur with a bard song I believe as with augment, the haste being overriden if it's lower then the SSS effect and only getting a songs other effects. The claw will override FBSS if it's faster and inherent item haste and not a proc; if it's a proc, again, same as with augment and a bard song. Yes, it is very confusing, heh.

looks

# Apr 23 2001 at 5:21 PM Rating: Default

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if you look closely at the pic, it's actually a red glove--so it's probably just a red gauntlet, or looks like the monk stuff

doesnt look real to me. [NT]

# Apr 23 2001 at 5:17 PM Rating: Default

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haste

# Apr 23 2001 at 5:03 PM Rating: Default

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haste works like this

item / spell / bard song

ie = mith 2hander - alracity - bard song = very fast ****.

RE: haste

# Apr 23 2001 at 8:25 PM Rating: Default

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yes! lets take away the "alracity" and bard song when we give them the mith 2hander and they will be very fast. (if ur gonna use mathmatics symbols, plz use them correctly or i'll jump on ye). btw, u forgot to ADD a regular haste item like the oh-so-popular-without-too-much-reason-in-fact-its-so-popular-it-kinda-makes-me-sick CoF. oh, and can someone check that a proc'd haste stacks with a spell?

RE: haste

# Apr 25 2001 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent

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Mith 2 hander IS a permament haste, not to be confused with Executioner's Axe, which is a spell haste proc.

RE: haste

# Apr 24 2001 at 3:44 AM Rating: Decent

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Anonymous

If you are going to write then please spell correctly.
ur: your
gonna: going to
mathmatics symbols: mathematical symbols (or mathematics symbols if you insist on using bad grammar)
u: you
plz: please
And when you start a new sentence you should start it with a BIG letter: Oh, and...

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 24 2001 at 8:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) actually ur would be "you're" for you are. =)

Haste Items

# Apr 23 2001 at 5:00 PM Rating: Default

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If it overwrites the CoF that would be ridiculously awesome...why? Cause then you could wear a better cloak =P