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20 posts
Ill take DEX over AGI any day. 9 AGI = 1 AC and since SKs arent "supposed" to be MT, then they shouldnt have to worry about getting high AGI. I have an erudite SK, threw all my points into INT then STR and now working on bringing up STR/DEX/INT. But really its up to you what stats you work on. I personally like having procs on my weapons. Ive seen plenty of SK usable weapons with nice procs. My bard has 220 DEX unbuffed and with 2 yaks I proc 6 - 7 times a battle at lvl 45 soloing HGS. You do the math. 74 DD x 6 = 444 additional damage that I would have otherwise NOT done without my high DEX.
20 posts
Ill take DEX over AGI any day. 9 AGI = 1 AC and since SKs arent "supposed" to be MT, then they shouldnt have to worry about getting high AGI. I have an erudite SK, threw all my points into INT then STR and now working on bringing up STR/DEX/INT. But really its up to you what stats you work on. I personally like having procs on my weapons. Ive seen plenty of SK usable weapons with nice procs. My bard has 220 DEX unbuffed and with 2 yaks I proc 6 - 7 times a battle at lvl 45 soloing HGS. You do the math. 74 DD x 6 = 444 additional damage that I would have otherwise NOT done without my high DEX.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jan 30 2002 at 12:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ITS AN ERUDITE! THEY SUCK AT HYBRID!!!!!
1 post
dex is probably the least important stat for SKs other than wisdom Agi raises AC so these legs have comparable AC to bronze. Str is only important for soloing and if you're soloing then you need mana so the str/mana trade off would be pointless. Erudite Sks have it rough being that they aren't a physcially powerful race but the only way that they can compare to other race Sks is their HUGE mana pool compared to other races. when your cleric is out of mana and you are almost dead that +10 mana will come in handy.
just my 2cp
Adayven Shadowstar
51 Shadowknight
Saryn
just my 2cp
Adayven Shadowstar
51 Shadowknight
Saryn
he said wisdom ISNT important, and was right with that. dex is very important, though, because it increases proc chance AND how often you skill up in a casting ability. str isnt important because, to my knowledge, it only really affects your chance to raise 'offense'. not slashing, blunt, piercing, archery, JUST offense. (and blacksmithing, but thats not a weapon skill)
20 posts
First off, I don't see how the discussion on dex figures into these leggings as they give AGI not dex, unless someone else made a bonehead remark that ended up getting left off because of filters, and second, shadowknights don't use WISDOM to help their mana pool - they're a necro / warrior hybrid which means that, like the necromancers from which these tanks draw their casting skills, they use INTELLIGENCE to build up their mana pool not WISDOM like shaman, druids, clerics and the corresponding hybrids, beastlords, rangers and paladins. before you start in on a rant, please make sure you're better informed
Cathartic Soulgriever
58 Templar of Innoruuk
Proud Member of Sacred Destiny
Cathartic Soulgriever
58 Templar of Innoruuk
Proud Member of Sacred Destiny
#REDACTED,
Posted: Dec 01 2001 at 8:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) "dex is probably the least important stat for sk's other than wisdom"
You're mistaken, DEX does not affect anything but weapon proc'ing. It does not help spell procs.
41 posts
"dex is not important for sks......."
HAHAHAHAHA, thats a good one! Dex is important for almost any kind of class (other thatn casters). Why you say? Because it makes your weapon skills go up more as you fight. My lvl 3 rouge at lvl 3 has like 27 piercing and i only put 7 guild points on it, so think about it...
57th level
Erudite Sk
Cazic Thule
HAHAHAHAHA, thats a good one! Dex is important for almost any kind of class (other thatn casters). Why you say? Because it makes your weapon skills go up more as you fight. My lvl 3 rouge at lvl 3 has like 27 piercing and i only put 7 guild points on it, so think about it...
57th level
Erudite Sk
Cazic Thule
6 posts
Dex effects from the Prima guide:
*Increases accuracy and spellcasting in combat
*Helps missile combat
*Determines if you are interupted during spell combat
*Affects succes of critical hits
*Afects how fast weapon skills are learned
*Affects missile damage
*Affects weapon procs
*Affects how often you dodge
Make your own presumptions from this, but in my opinion, dexterity is terribly important for SK's. By the way, I left out the rogue skills benefit.
Temu Skincarver
34 Gnome Warrior
*Increases accuracy and spellcasting in combat
*Helps missile combat
*Determines if you are interupted during spell combat
*Affects succes of critical hits
*Afects how fast weapon skills are learned
*Affects missile damage
*Affects weapon procs
*Affects how often you dodge
Make your own presumptions from this, but in my opinion, dexterity is terribly important for SK's. By the way, I left out the rogue skills benefit.
Temu Skincarver
34 Gnome Warrior
* Helps a bard strum out a successful song. It is what determines a bards "Fizzle" as it were.
· 'Valdon Gravedancer' Terris-Thule. Dwarven Cleric 34th circle.
· 'Junglebug Sugarpants' Terris-Thule. Halfling Druid. 52nd season.
· 'Shinook Eldergod' Terris-Thule. Troll Shaman of 32nd rite.
· 'Soultree Vixen' Terris-Thule. Woodelf Ranger of 34th season.
· 'Junglebug Sugarpants' Terris-Thule. Halfling Druid. 52nd season.
· 'Shinook Eldergod' Terris-Thule. Troll Shaman of 32nd rite.
· 'Soultree Vixen' Terris-Thule. Woodelf Ranger of 34th season.
Prima guides unfortunately don't reflect the actual workings of the game. A lot of their 'info' for EQ were just rumours the writers heard.
4 posts
Actually, I've found the Prima guides to be quite accurate - until the next patch, anyway. =) It only takes playing a high dext character like a rogue to realize that yes, most of the "Dexterity" associated skills and abilities DO happen in a most satisfying manner when Dext is higher.
Please, don't slam the Prima guides. Anyone who's actually read them will agree that the research was quite thorough while they're still up to date (with the exception of a few errors).
Ttoth Amon
54 Wizard,
Cazic-Thule
Please, don't slam the Prima guides. Anyone who's actually read them will agree that the research was quite thorough while they're still up to date (with the exception of a few errors).
Ttoth Amon
54 Wizard,
Cazic-Thule
Anonymous
this quest has a next part...seems broken, but I wonder if the next piece of armor is....
#Anonymous,
Posted: Apr 07 2001 at 12:29 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) "I did the Cold Iron quest in Paineel and all I got were these stupid pants!"
#Anonymous,
Posted: Mar 31 2001 at 12:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I did this quest and got pants! i wanted.. what did i want? nevermind
#Anonymous,
Posted: Mar 19 2001 at 12:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Erudite SK's do NOT need more mana!
Anonymous
Aye, I would gladly trade the +10mana for +2Str, though all things considered, not to bad of an item. Bronze only has 10ac, and none of the stats and its alot lighter.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Mar 19 2001 at 4:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) They do.. +2AGI. Can't your read?
Anonymous
Are you an ogre in disguise?
Fool, mana is all that matters to a true shadowknight. If you do not have mana what are you? A pitiable second rate warrior.
Now my young fool, I shall tell you how a true Erudite works. I use a slow weapon with a near 5 second delay. However it has incredible damage potential. I am physically weaker than our larger comrads with only 110 strength. However I have stopped trying to raise it. Why you ask?
It is unimportant. With my slow weapon I can cast between swings, currently I have 128 intelligence, and with my lifetaps I can add over 400 health to myself over the course of a fight while weakening my enemy by that much. Now, I have more health than a stupid troll or ogre, I've done more damage than them as well. I can also heal faster than any troll or iksar could ever dream by lifetapping small greens or from the pulls of other groups.
Do not remain a fool, mana is your only tool. Brute force only matters if you intend to remain a brute.
-Daelin
Xev
Fool, mana is all that matters to a true shadowknight. If you do not have mana what are you? A pitiable second rate warrior.
Now my young fool, I shall tell you how a true Erudite works. I use a slow weapon with a near 5 second delay. However it has incredible damage potential. I am physically weaker than our larger comrads with only 110 strength. However I have stopped trying to raise it. Why you ask?
It is unimportant. With my slow weapon I can cast between swings, currently I have 128 intelligence, and with my lifetaps I can add over 400 health to myself over the course of a fight while weakening my enemy by that much. Now, I have more health than a stupid troll or ogre, I've done more damage than them as well. I can also heal faster than any troll or iksar could ever dream by lifetapping small greens or from the pulls of other groups.
Do not remain a fool, mana is your only tool. Brute force only matters if you intend to remain a brute.
-Daelin
Xev
4 posts
I agree and disagree Daelin.
Agree:STR does not matter for a tank at higher levels unless you are a warrior or a highly,HIGHLY tweaked hybrid,yep.Why you ask?They are taking all the damage anyway.So why not take all the mana you have and use it?
Disagree:2 parts here
Because there are better weapons out there.5 seconds is a helluva time for your weapon right now,but later?Take a look at your epic,its got MUCH better stats than a 5 second delay 10 damage slashing weapon.(But its still a good idea to use magic somewhat here and there.)
Secondly,lower levels however need all the str they can get if a warrior is not in the group.So if you are an SK in a group,and you start standing behind the casters casting,THEN who looks like a fool?If you want to be a caster then be a wizard/enchanter.Therfor strength DOES matter.Its not completly useless as you may think.
Just my 2cp
Agree:STR does not matter for a tank at higher levels unless you are a warrior or a highly,HIGHLY tweaked hybrid,yep.Why you ask?They are taking all the damage anyway.So why not take all the mana you have and use it?
Disagree:2 parts here
Because there are better weapons out there.5 seconds is a helluva time for your weapon right now,but later?Take a look at your epic,its got MUCH better stats than a 5 second delay 10 damage slashing weapon.(But its still a good idea to use magic somewhat here and there.)
Secondly,lower levels however need all the str they can get if a warrior is not in the group.So if you are an SK in a group,and you start standing behind the casters casting,THEN who looks like a fool?If you want to be a caster then be a wizard/enchanter.Therfor strength DOES matter.Its not completly useless as you may think.
Just my 2cp
38 posts
I, too, must agree that strength matters for the young Erudite Shadowknight. We are brought into this world relatively weaker most of the other Dark races. It helps to have an extra bit of str to boost our ability to carry our own armor.
5 posts
no, really, strength doesn't make a difference at low levels compared to any other level. so what if you do one or two more points of damage? who cares! dex is it. higher dex means you have a chance to hit more often. dex raises your weapon skills, which gives you a BETTER chance to hit more often. which would you rather do with your 10 damage weapon: do 1 or 2 more damage when you hit only every third swing, or do normal damage every two out of three swings? and in the case of procs, your higher chance of hitting from having higher dex, means that your proc is more likely to happen. having higher dex beats having higher strength any day, any level.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 05 2001 at 6:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's no wonder you guys rival Dark elves as the worst Shadow Knights...
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 09 2001 at 1:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) hello moron, look at weighted axe. erudites can't use it. don't talk smack if you don't know what the heck you're talkin about
Anonymous
AGI+2. Whoopee. By that time we (meaning untwinked ERU SHDs) will have been to Blackburrow to get a pair of AGI+2 Onyx Earrings or bought some carnelian wedding rings to help get our AGI out of the penalty. (AGI and DEX are 70 if you put all your bonus points into STR.) Dervish Cutthroat Rings are on the other end of Antonica (the jewelers can only offer DEX necklaces or bracelets unless you want to go for the higher end items and personally I don't want to give up the AC), and we already have a base INT of 117 giving us plenty of mana. DEX is what we need the most. Ideally this would have been DEX+2 instead of MANA+10, but many items at this level tend to be a mix of the good and the pointless (e.g. Totemic Gauntlets or Crafted Helm).
Arguably, a player in-the-know may create their Erudite Shadow Knight with 75 agility from the start, simply to avoid the penalty to armor class. This would be a tough choice, however, since Erudites have pretty low strength, and can only wear medium types of armor (generally with not-so-medium weight). Then you find yourself encumbered, and your agility is in the hole anyway.
Personally, I think Erudites should stick more to wiggling their fingers, than trying to wiggle a two handed sword while wearing some plate armor. ;)
Personally, I think Erudites should stick more to wiggling their fingers, than trying to wiggle a two handed sword while wearing some plate armor. ;)
Anonymous
In my Er SK experience DEX really isn't too useful unless you use a proc-ing weapon. All of my weapon and combat skills are still maxed even with my DEX of 69 (one of my items gives a penalty) I am always looking for more mana, STR, and AGI (even though I already have tons of mana I never stop casting during a battle) These are pretty phat because of the combined AC weight and stats. Blackened Alloy is AC 11 and weighs around the same but the stats are worth it for these.
Anonymous
Unless you have something constructive to add why bother? I would gladly trade the +10 mana for even a single point of str. The point being why make ERU SK only (and no other race) item that primarily gives mana? I could understand it if it was wearable by trolls and ogres.
Anonymous
This is a pretty nice item even with 10 mana....beats banded and on a newer server, this would be a good item for 20th lvl...the only tough part is sneaking into that part of perma...
Mamuad
Knight of Fear
MT
Mamuad
Knight of Fear
MT
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