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Shawl of Protection  
 

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: SHOULDERS
AC: 10
SV FIRE: +35 SV DISEASE: +35 SV COLD: +35 SV MAGIC: +35 SV POISON: +35
WT: 0.0 Size: SMALL
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Item Type:Armor
Stackable:No
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IC Last Updated:2019-09-12 08:36:52
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Scars of Velious Item


Rarity: Rare
Level to Attain: 46

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Dropped today, 8/31 2005
# Aug 30 2005 at 11:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes, I have killed drac I'd say 50 times over 4 years. First one ever I saw was today. Looted it on my monk.
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drako
# May 16 2004 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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very very very very rare drop , ,if at all ,

12 kills today on the new server ( half hour spawn time ) same BS items everytime
RE: drako
# Jan 25 2005 at 2:10 AM Rating: Decent
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You can't decide if something is very very very very rare just by making twelve kills. Its statistically impossible. You can't even say yet whether or not its one of the common drops yet based on 12 kills. Kill something a hundred times or a thousand, then you can get a solid feel for how often items are in the loot table.


monk gear
# Jun 10 2003 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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phew, the flames do blaze away.

a few points:

1) yes this is uber resist gear. would be stellar on most any toon.

2) it lacks any useful stats to a caster, other than resists.

3) it lacks decent AC for any reasonable chain/plate class.

final point:

yes its all/all. yes any toon would love to have it and benefit greatly. BUT.... a monk (especially primary raid puller, if they are) would benefit THE MOST overall from this item. its got stellar AC for a shoulder slot for a monk, it weighs nada, and has uber resists. i'd be shocked to see a monk not wear this as standard gear, whereas i'd argue that most other toons would stick this in the bank, letting it rot when they arent raiding or specifically hunting/fighting caster mobs. To a monk, this is more than just resist gear, its AC gear with unquestionably great weight, and incredible resists.

post point: is it monk gear? yes. but i'd argue that it could just as easily go to a primary healer, slower, or main tank, because each of those roles is just as important on a serious raid. pointless if the puller survives in Fear/ToV if all the clerics buy it before a camp out/evac fires. know what i mean.

final say: every guild will decide how they will. it can be hoped they will choose wisely how to hand out items like this.



Edited, Tue Jun 10 14:41:58 2003
choices
# Oct 13 2002 at 11:16 AM Rating: Default
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Frankly as a cleric I would want to see this goto one of my guild melees before anyone else. Sure everyone gets hit with AoEs and nukes now and again but frankly its your meleers that gotta stand and take those day in and day out while we casters often spend lots of time hiding around corners (ToV). And the less damage they take from such attacks the better in my opinion.
#Jadespider, Posted: Mar 08 2002 at 6:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) SSSSSSSAAAAAAWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: one thing to say
# Jun 09 2002 at 7:56 AM Rating: Default
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everyone should roll
# Mar 03 2002 at 12:37 PM Rating: Default
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Ok. If your in a guild and you wanna give this to your fav. do so and have alot of pissed members. It says everyone can wear it for a good reason everyone needs resist. Last fear raid i was on 60chanter was puller. Everyone wants this and everyone should have a chance to roll if they want. Might as well say only monks and "main tanks" should be able to buy blue diamond gear resist gear too. Everyone needs this period. If it said monk war only then we wouldn't argue. Some guilds do give it to there favorite which is why many people leave those type of "think they're uber guilds" Maintanks and pullers should have high resist anyway not like 15 more resist on a shoulder is gonna win the war ) and is your maintank puller always your MT puller on most raids? i doubt it. Anyway only fair that whoever can use an item can roll on it if they want to . otherwise your just stupid
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RE: everyone should roll
# Apr 05 2002 at 1:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Not to mention that it weighs nothing, so that frees up space in the wt reduction bags.

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Still flabbergasted, +35 sv all.. wow

Jarholi Scalefist
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welp welp
# Feb 21 2002 at 10:17 PM Rating: Default
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me am sick an' tired of dem whiny people from the ikky and h'uman races c'plainin ova tha armor dat DEY should get, BAH me says to dat! Me work harder den any of dem dang ikky's or h'umans, and me need it more cuz me am da main tank on dem raids to da Temple Veeshan. Dem monkeys only good fer sleeping when dey see a little few too much mobs. Lets me barsh dem up and let dem monkeys go sleepy while they use dis piece of armor to resist? BAH! whosa cares if dey hit hard, i gots da HP and da AC ta get da job finished, dey just gets it started! Whats us warriors gotsa do ta gets a piece of good resist gear? BAH! Mah guild bettsers realize who dey is telling dat cant roll on dis, 'fore i go to join Afterlife soon! Dem is some ubah peepz!


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RE: welp welp
# May 23 2002 at 8:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Gimme gimme never get. If you really want something and start dissing other races/classes, then get outta here. Everyone should have a chance to roll this. And another thing, if a monk out dmgs a war, then mob will most likely aggro on us, so we need the resist also, not only you guys.
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RE: welp welp
# Feb 21 2003 at 9:42 PM Rating: Default
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He was simply expressing an in-character view. He didn't take a third person perspective.
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# May 03 2002 at 2:14 AM Rating: Default
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where the hell have i heard that line???

"I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it."

i KNOW ive seen it somewhere... in a book i think.
RE: sig
# Jun 06 2002 at 7:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Quote is from the writer and philosoph Voltaire..
French and around the time for the french revolution...

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Removed ?
# Feb 16 2002 at 5:41 AM Rating: Decent
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We killed Draco now at least 20 times, but i never saw that Shawl, its maybe removed, or we just had luck to get that much of Belts ? :)

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This is best suited to monks
# Dec 31 2001 at 3:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Who will roll on this item depends on what kind of a guild you're in

If you're in a casual guild that raids rarely everyone would probably roll regardless of level, class, guild rank because everyone was important to the raid therefore everyone deserves loot. However I don't know of any guilds like this that would be up in Fear killing Dracoliche.

If you're in an *uber* guild items aren't given to you just because *you were there*. Items go to the class that will benefit from them the MOST, plain and simple. Therefore this item would be put on the main puller of the guild first, which is 99% of the time a 60 monk. True resists are important to every class on a raid but are most important to the monk cause he takes the brunt of most of the bad spells including harm touches from shadow knights while pulling. A class like warrior should never get priority on this type of item if it's an uber guild because like mentioned before this item will rot in the warrior's bank until it's time to kill Trak or something. Monks will wear this thing ALL the time cause the resists are uber for casters and the AC is awesome for melee. At 56 I currently wear a Wurm Scale Coat- AC 8, SV Magic 10, SV Fire 20, weight 0.0. This is item is very similar and the best I can get and I wear it ALL the time regardless of what mob I'm pulling/killing. This is why if the guild has any intelligence it goes to the primary puller, not just any monk. This is no different then a guild outfitting one level 60 ogre warrior in all the best gear, Skyshrine armour etc. It isn't necessarily fair to the other warriors of the guild, but it benefits the guild to have one kick *** warrior to tank mobs, whereas lots of warriors each with 1 nice piece of armor doesn't benefit the guild at all cause none of them can tank the uber mobs well. Simply put being in an uber guild is a commitment to being part of a TEAM where ALL ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL. For example lets say you play a 60 dark elf warrior in an uber guild. Just understand now you will never be rolling on the best loot because dark elves don't make the best tanks, if you can't handle this you are in the wrong guild.

So next time you necros or whatever class say you deserve top priority on this item just understand if you're ever in a serious high-end guild you will not get this item until the people that are most important to the raid have one. This more then likely being the main puller for the guild and the main tank and the main healer of the main tank etc, basically the people who cannot die. The expendable people can die and it will not make or break the raid which is why the expendable people do not get Shawls of Protection!

Edited, Mon Dec 31 03:38:57 2001
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RE: This is best suited to monks
# Sep 11 2002 at 5:04 PM Rating: Good
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Actually your logic strikes me as a bit backwards there...

The only guilds that seem to hit Fear with frequency are the more casual and low to mid level guilds on my server. The higher level guilds may hit Fear once every couple of weeks or so -- the occasional "epic" hit for those few without epics yet, perhaps a shot at a few items like this or just for nostalgia sake.

Most of the time, such items as this are handled via points and bidding by those who can use the item. If 15 people go "I want..." then it's who's got the points and who is willing to spend them for the item. No arguments on NBG, etc.. Simply "do you have the points?" Yes = Congrats! No = Maybe next time...

In guilds that use assignement systems, there are often more vicious arguments about NBG -- who needs more, favoritism, etc. than anything heard in point earn and spend guilds.

Why? Because you EARNED the right to BUY that item. You put in the time and effort to be able to bid on those really sweet items vs watching someone awarded it over the other 2 monks, 3 tanks, etc...

Nobody has a legitimate gripe about someone else saving up their points to bid on an item and such systems allow for even the most casual player to save up points and then spend them as they see fit buying gear.

As for the "so-and-so needs it more" a couple responses to that based upon this system.

1) if so-and-so attended more raids then they would have earned the points to buy the item so how can their contribution be measured as greater than someone who has the points?

2) Most times, if someone DOES need the item then either this will be brought up -- those wo do EARN points often will give ground on a real NBG issue due to their wishing the best for the guild and/or flat out peer preasure.

Any way you look at it, your attitude in that post was totally off the mark with respect to all other classes value falling below the friggn puller...

By your standard that shaman who slowes or that cleric who heals or MB wizard... are all less valuable than that monk who can have his corpse summoned to the camp, click stick rez'd and be back running in 3 minutes or less IN TOTAL SAFETY VIA FD vs that 4k mana pool caster's 7+ minutes of down time with limited to no defenses.

Hell, half the time you go "next puller" and you have another person pulling while the first guy recovers from rez effect -- virtually no break in the action. In a raiding guild that is...



Kothall Landrunner
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RE: This is best suited to monks
# Jul 15 2002 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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My wizard needs this. =P






Oh, yeah, he's on Sullon Zek. That answer your question?
RE: This is best suited to monks
# Mar 03 2002 at 8:42 AM Rating: Default
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Thats 2 items so far that Monks feel they should automatically get. You're telling me that both the Fearsome Cloak and the Shawl of Protection should go to Monks only? Why don't we just give everything thats ALL/ALL in the planes to monks, since it's all about the same level as this! I've raided this place a bunch of times and the first time some ******** tries to pull that @#$% will be the last raid he's welcome on. Fear doesn't happen without tanks. With the tiny amount of items that drop in Fear for Warriors, you want to limit light weight gear to Monks only? ***** you. First off, if your fighting a casting MoB, with the exception of AoEs, the Monk shouldn't be getting hit (with the exception of when he's a puller, in which case, yes, he takes the brunt), so resists are not a problem for Monks unless you are soloing, and I don't go to Fear to make uber Monks solo better. The Tanks need resists, they're the ones taking the nukes 90% of the time unless you aren't doing it right. All the raids I've been on I've rarely seen a puller get waxed. I don't think I've ever seen one get waxed from an AoE.

Now I'd agree with the concept of outfitting specific people well (i.e. puller, main tank) so that you have well equipped people in the right spots (and lets face it, the puller is doing a hell of a lot more work than anyone else on a raid), but that doesn't mean that every Monk should get every friggin piece of equipment that drops just because it has low weight. As you said, this is a GROUP effort, so everyone should have a shot at good equipment. There may be better stuff for other classes, but that doesn't mean they have it. Also, in my guild, nice items like this get returned to the guild and redistributed once the original owner gets a better item. THAT's how you make a guild stronger. I've seen alot of other guilds members auctioning off this stuff and it just kills me. I'd rather GIVE it to another guildmate then sell it to anyone outside the guild.

It would be nice if everyone could just have all the gear they wanted, but EQ don't work like that. Tanks need good gear (good resist gear, too) every bit as much as all the other Meleers. Monks aren't special. Every class has it's limits. If I'm going on a raid where I'm not likely to see anything drop that I can/would use, I expect to be able to roll in the rare circumstance that it happens.

Edited, Sun Mar 3 15:26:59 2002
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RE: This is best suited to monks
# Mar 01 2002 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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phsylence ok so lets say your n00b guild raids the frenzied ghoul (cause with your thinking that's about as high as you can go). Do the wis and int casters roll on the FBSS because they're all/all? I mean after all, since the item IS all/all, that means Verant intended for ALL classes to be able to wear it! Not to mention those pure casters worked so very, very hard for that raid and it's a TEAM effort, right? All I can say is, lol, good luck running your n00b team guild.

1. There's 2 different types of guilds that use teamwork, that smart ones that use common sense and give items to those that will benefit the most, while at the same time realizing it is a team effort. There's also n00b guilds that truely think that level 46 cleric that's in Fear for the first time deserves the shawl of protection as much as the level 60 monk that's pulled fear for his guild more times then he can count. Your guild obviously fits into the 2nd category, a n00b guild.

Edited, Fri Mar 1 13:29:35 2002
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#phsylence, Posted: Feb 27 2002 at 12:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) the whole concept of being in a guild and going on a raid seems to be lost on people, for this reason i thought id put in my six half pennies,
RE: This is best suited to monks
# Mar 21 2002 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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High level guilds and "uber" guilds have their own specific loot rules. Most of these allocate items in a way that will benefit the guild as a whole the most. That doesn't mean that only an elite few ever get anything. It does sometimes mean that the very best tanking equipment goes to the guild's best tank the first time the guild gets the item in question and that the very best pulling gear goes to the guild's best puller, etc. Eventually, everybody who wants a given item that is within the guild's ability to acquire will get it, but it may take a year or two.

Quite a few items are seen by such guilds as being "monk items" or "warrior items" or "enchanter items" or whatever. Usually they have very good reasons for classifying these items as such. Designating an item as a "monk item" does not mean that other classes don't get anything good. It might mean they don't get anything good on that particular raid, but another raid might produce a bunch of caster items and not a single item a monk would want to wear, even if it was given to him. It all evens out in the end if the guild knows what it is doing. For example, there is a certain raid we go on that always gives a bunch of nice caster items. After that, we usually go after a nearby monster that has some nice monk stuff. This evening, we are going to a place where druids get tons of equipment. Next week, we are going somewhere that there is a lot of good melee stuff in general and an item for the warrior epic. It all evens out.
RE: This is best suited to monks
# Feb 08 2002 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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Damn straight, that's right. Like I said earlier before the buffoons started spamming with their inane rants that ALL/ALL means ALL/ALL in every situation, puller gets top priority of resist gear like this and then filters down to tanks within AE range of mobs. Common sense. I'm not saying monks alone should get this (we have SKs and bards that pull), although most of the time you'll prolly have a monk pulling for you.

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RE: This is best suited to monks
# Jan 14 2002 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
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To summarize your post: Blah blah blah... i'm a greedy monk, gimme gimme gimme!

We're a casual guild on the Tribunal and everyone rolls if they will use. And considering this friday we took down Inny, and on Saturday we cleared ToV east, i'd say my chances (as an expendable druid) of getting the shawl are not as bad as you describe.

Serious guild? You mean a bunch of kids with no life that play all the time? Nah, i'd take a casual guild any day.
RE: This is best suited to monks
# Jan 22 2002 at 8:27 PM Rating: Good
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Chefo, the stupidity of your post offends me.

He's not a greedy monk, he is correct. Why would a druid need something to resist stuff on raids. What do druids get nailed with on raids? Nothing. You are standing outside of the AE range, or you only come in long enough to attack.

Monks take many, many spell casts pulling. Pulling ToV, I commonly get hit by 4 or 5 AE's on my way back. This would boost my normal resists by 35, which is huge.

So before you open your mouth, think again. You aren't as smart as mommy let you believe.
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RE: This is best suited to monks
# Nov 12 2003 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
Gotta say Druid is a bad example. Sure on Raids I don't get hit much unless things go south, but most of the time my whole guild plays is grouping. Especially with LDoN groups, DPS and efficiency is a must. Inefficient=Druid healing himself because of some stupid floor trap. Also, how many times have you seen a tank lose aggro on the first complete heal? Lots I'll bet.

I like the point system and that's what my current guild uses. I have lost lot's of bids on items, but I don't feel all pissy like I do when I lose a /ran. The guy beating me has put some serious time into helping others at raids, and has managed to not spend his points for +1 extra anything. He saved his points for that RARE drop.

Monk's need help. In-game and out-of-game. ALL/ALL means just that. Know the rules of your guild and you'll never be upset.

PS I would pass on this item so that a tank or FD puller could have it. I just hate the whole this is for <insert class that wishes it were another> crap.

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RE: This is best suited to monks
# Jan 25 2002 at 2:38 PM Rating: Default
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Well said. Everybody listen to Rrail. All hail Rrail. hey that rhymes =P
RE: This is best suited to monks
# Jan 03 2002 at 4:25 AM Rating: Default
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Here here.... Very well said and VERY true. I'm an enchanter, and sure.. this would be nice, but, I'm not a puller or main tank. I hide behind walls durring ToV raids, and poke my head out to SoS or C2 or whatever... I don't have any kind of NEED for this item. And there is definatly a shortage of good monk resist eq out there. This is perfect for a monk puller OR, your main tank... But a lot of times in ToV there's lag and your main is gonna die sooner or later, and another will step in. Puller is a better idea. There usually FD and beat to crap half way to the pick spot, then they get AoE'd when someone picks.. This is great for your main monk puller. Keep them alive longer, less down time from clicking. I knwo it's all/all and the baby raiders are all gonna say "But it's all all, and I work my butt of just as hard!" Bah... want to play with the big boys? Team work! Serious NBG thoughts.

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# Dec 29 2001 at 3:48 AM Rating: Default
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Being a monk i just DROOL over this item every time i come across it. All factors included (weight being dertiming factor) this would benifit a monk the most, but it should'nt necisarily(sp) go to just monks. I am sure players of lots of other classes drool just the same :)
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# Dec 18 2001 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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oh man, ive been looking all over for a shoulder piece that has good resists, my resists in resist gear are 97 PR, 88 MR (88 MR i know! /sigh), 99 DR, 126 HR, 106 CR. This would make that 88 MR over 100 easily. I must get this thing eventually. =P Until then ill just have to keep bothering mages before raids for an Elemntal blanket :(
A nice Item that isnt' rolled on
# Dec 03 2001 at 12:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Shawl of Protection is an exceedingly nice item - the resists are to drool over! In my guild, however, the monks would be given priority for the item - because really, there is precious little decent gear that drops for them anywhere. Compared with all the other classes, there is a poverty of good ac/resist gear for monks. That being said, if no monk at the raid needed it - it would be open roll for guildmembers attending the raid.

As for a very viable and attractive alternative - if you are able to hunt in ToV and amass the components needed, the following Pauldrons are far more desireable for ME as a roge - AC, Sta, 100 HP!!! and awsome resists. And much more attainable too. To me, these shoulders are something I wish to work for. Let the monk have the other thing - I need these other stats to increase my survivabilty and help me do all the damage I can to ubermob_01

Honestly, when it all comes down to it - loot is only pixles and this game will someday be a faded memory. It saddens me all the name calling I see. I would much rather due with an obtulus mantle or my trusty RS shoulders than sink to name calling or jepordizing friendships in game over a peice of loot.

God Bless


Pauldrons of the Deep Flame
LORE ITEM MAGIC ITEM NO DROP
AC: +35 Sta: +15 Magic Resist: +20 Fire Resist: +20 Cold Resist: +20 Poison Resist: +20 Disease Resist: +20 HP: +100
Weight: 0.5
Classes: Warrior Rogue Monk Bard Shadowknight Paladin Ranger
Races: All Races
Inventory Slot: Shoulder
Required: Yes
Can be stored in Tiny and larger containers
Last updated: Mon Aug 20 14:33:49 2001

who cares
# Nov 19 2001 at 3:04 PM Rating: Default
i love how people that play this game love to say (this is for this can, nonononono this for this class) and so on so on. lol is it says all class all race well guess what sucker everybody
can wear the thing now i am a stron beliver that
the item should go to the person that needs it the most in the guild if you are a raid person you will have a many of shots to one of this hun
no only that but you will have chances to better gear than this. you guys are not verant to tell us that this items has to go to a specific class
we are just people plaing a game one of this drops
give it to that guy that just joined the guild and dosent have but only base saves versus everything don you think that will make th guild stronger? ohh no just cause im from a class i need to have that even if my mr is 190 i need it so i can have the inventory slot open for other stuff.

i only come to this posts to read on info about the item enjoy the luck that a person has to owne the items and get facts about the item. not to hear you idiots cry about what class will get this.

i dont care if your guild gave it to somebody and not to you cause of a class conflict

last word

quit your crying and shut up.
Uber Resist item
# Oct 29 2001 at 1:48 AM Rating: Default
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Does this still drop?
# Sep 29 2001 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
Can anyone confirm?

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Uh, puller tends to get shee-it like dis
# Aug 29 2001 at 1:42 AM Rating: Good
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Unless you got someone else other than the good monk to pull for your friggin' guild, you give them this item. You can use the same arguments as the Shield of Rainbow Hues. EVERYONE needs resistances, but your primary puller gets top priority. Besides tank and casters gotz better shoulder pieces moreso than monks.
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RE: Uh, puller tends to get shee-it like dis
# Aug 31 2001 at 9:39 PM Rating: Default
ALL/ALL so ALL roll every time. You might have a monk puller with better shoulders than that little Ranger there in the background, but damned if that little Ranger there in background came along just to watch things given away. Our guild, in fact our coalition of guilds, always does rolls for anyone who wants in on an ALL/ALL item. There's plenty of class specific junk in fear.

If monks had their way, everything in the game would be monk only, I swear.
RE: Uh, puller tends to get shee-it like dis
# Sep 07 2001 at 7:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Rolling is stupid when guildraiding IMO, for the benefit of teh guild the items will be rewarded on an most needed basis. When the right lvl of players and classes get equiped by the guild they will be able to provide an better assistance in equiping the players who got let out on lootz from previous raids.
WAKE UP!
# Sep 22 2001 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Pull off your rosey glasses Iarlador! You will see people come and go in a guild. Consequently, what may be in the "best interest" of your guild may actually serve another guild. Furthermore, the previous poster said coalition of guilds. That in and of itself shows a need for all players to be equiped to the best.

I am a necro. So, unless i organize the raid and make all lotto, i loose almost everything like this in the name of the puller. Well, last night in WW, i was a mana sink for the cleric because...drum roll please, i do not have enough resist gear for the AoEs. When you grow up a tad, you will find that ALL need resists for when that puller finally gets to you.

Just some DENecro on Bristlebane

PS...this is THE best total resist shoulder slot in the game for my class/race and prolly most, if not all, players.
RE: WAKE UP!
# Nov 30 2001 at 5:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Seems pretty simple, if the puller, whichever class it might be, doesn't have the resists to pull said mob then you don't get your chance to roll for the all / all item P.
can't we all just get along? ;-)
# Sep 30 2001 at 12:19 AM Rating: Decent
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I know everyone argues over all/all stuff like this but everyone has to realize that every guild is different. If you are in a "high end" guild and have become friends with people in that guild it is very possable that guildies leaving is a rare thing in which case NBG and not rolling is a MUCH better practice. In smaller or newer guilds especialy ones that "advertise" for new recruits SHOULD roll as the person who got a defaulted item may be gone tommorow. just my 2cp. oh and my monk would love this to add as resist gear regardless of how he obtained it ;-)
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RE: can't we all just get along? ;-)
# Oct 01 2001 at 6:59 PM Rating: Decent
High end guild or no, ALL/ALL is ALL/ALL. This is an absolutely beautiful back item for ANYBODY. It is perfect for use against dragons in raids, just look at those stats. The easiest way to roll for something ALL/ALL in a plane (since there are likely 30-40 people involved), is to first roll for the group. IE (1 = group 1, 2 = group 2, etc.). Then the members of the winning group get a number one through six. /rand 6, and there you have it. If every drop was pre-assigned prior to the raid, what TRULY would be the incentive for anyone *else* to come along? I agree, there are a few guilds on each server that are uber, everyone knows one another very personally, and they figure this stuff out beforehand. But this is the exception, not the rule. Most planar raids are comprised of several guilds or a coalition of guilds, or comprised members of one gigantic guild, making the pre-selected wins kind of hard.

ALL/ALL, on an item that can be used by anybody, should be rolled on anybody who had a hand in taking the brute down who dropped it.
RE: Uh, puller tends to get shee-it like dis
# Sep 04 2001 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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# Aug 27 2001 at 10:49 PM Rating: Decent
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PLEASE, first of all STOP SAYING ROLL!!! Almost NO open raid will do dracho unless it's either really well organized (which in that case they STILL wouldn't roll). You will NEVER roll on an item off of dracho that I can imagine, I suppose it would be a once in a thousand chance.

Second, as much as I hate saying this... this deserves to be wore first by a monkey. I hate the constant "0 wt = monkey" item argument, but there are a few VERY valid points. First of all, this is one of the best AC pieces for a monkey except for maybe N ToV, I'm not entirely sure. Second, the saves, whether you like it or not, will benefit a monk (and essentially you too) the most. If a monk FD's and an AoE hits them that FD is cancelled. All of the major uber mobs have aoe's, and for the most part a monk WILL be pulling them. (A few expections are paladin DA's and bard kiting) In order for YOUR raid to work best, the monk needs to have the highest resists (255) he can. In return, YOU will benefit from smoother pulls and be much more content. I can't say how invaluable this is in ToV. Third, obviously it's got 0 weight, and a monk likes/needs that. Sure, it's got great resists, but its not about who would benefit most from it, its who would help EVERYONE benefit most from recieving it, and that is your local monk puller.

BTW I'm NOT a monk.

As an afterthought: As "uber" as those resists may be, for single dragon raids it is not that hard to get any MR + (insert resist here) to max especially considering bard songs. Circles and Shadoo should do +45 to a resist, and Resist Magic and other Resist x spells do +40 (obviously not stackable with Shadoos or Circles for that type of resist). When bards twist 2 songs that's an amazing add, and if you include your diamond and blue diamond jewelry you would be surprised how easy it is to get to maxed. Usually with decent resist gear added BEFORE bard songs you can almost be near max resists, so these uber resists aren't THAT important. Unless your a main tank and want to keep resists up while maintaining good resists, you really aren't going to have a problem getting maxed resists. Just another thought to think about.

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RE: Just my thoughts...
# Nov 19 2001 at 3:24 PM Rating: Default
and here we go again im a monkey 0 weigth you are nobody to justified who gets the items in the guild you moron you dont roll for and item in a uber guild raid you give it to the person that needs the mr you idiots cause guess what
that littel guy that just got the items today can come tommorow and make the differance on the
guild.

if you want this item so bad do this:
1 start you own guild
2 go to the damm place and kill the mob until it drops
3 take your greedy *** to the mob and loot.
4 ohh yeah since you a monkey go brag about it to you fellow friends
5 since you got the item leave the guild and repeat steps 1 through 5 for the next item

give it to the person that really needs it not the class that you think is better you moron
RE: Just my thoughts...
# Oct 17 2001 at 8:38 PM Rating: Default
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RE: Just my thoughts...
# Sep 22 2001 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Our raids always "roll" on items. We do not random though. The ML takes names and then _rolls_ a number equal to the number of names. We dont normally default or award anything.

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RE: Just my thoughts...
# Aug 31 2001 at 9:47 PM Rating: Excellent
Our coalition of guilds treat all/all items as just that. Anyone who participated in the kill is entitled to a roll. We never hand anyone anything unless it's class specific (in which case every class that can use the item rolls), the next item in an epic (in which case those at that point in the epic all roll), or a specific camp for a specific person (ie "We are camping Big Bob the Slayer for the Ornate Flag of Floofing for our very own Shadowknight Evill Kneeevill"), in which case, everyone was aware at the beginning that the camp, and the drop, were predetermined handouts.

We've done fear countless times now and that's how we do it. And it works out great. Always draws a nice big army (since everyone knows they're going to be included in the rolling), and everyone gets a sense of participation for both risk AND reward.

If a monk wins, hey, lucky monk. You're right. Good item for a monk.

(good item for an enchanter, hey, good item for a ranger, good item for a paladin, good item for a bard, good........)
RE: Just my thoughts...
# Nov 19 2001 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
you are the only persson that makes sence in thi board nice guild you have there i think all guild should handle loot like yours do
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# Aug 25 2001 at 11:04 PM Rating: Default
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Monkeys Arent the only ones...
# Jul 05 2001 at 1:51 AM Rating: Default
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When/if there is an all/all item that drops anywhere, who do you think rolls on it? Everyone. People Claim that this item is best for monks, and im not stating one way or the other. but noone can say whether or not this helps a great deal to many other classes. I am a bard, and i can see that this item would be an outstanding shoulder piece for anyone, not just monks--nor any other single class for that matter. great AC, Great Saves, Great weight. what gives monks the right to loot this over anyone else? nothing. to anyone who has gotten this, i applaud you, its not an easy task.
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RE: Monkeys Arent the only ones...
# Jul 21 2001 at 1:15 PM Rating: Default
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I'm a druid and I"d roll for this... Believe me, I need the resists as much as the monk... those are incredible resists.

All/all says it all, folks...

If I had this item it would never leave my shoulders; someone else can have my shawl from Estrella.

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#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 15 2001 at 8:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I really think that this is a great Item for anyone. Every person in a party is subject to every kind of attack imaginable. It does not matter if you are a monk, or an enchanter or a bard etc. Every can use the awsome resists that this may help grant, and the weight factor can help and pure casting class or monk, or just about anyone with weight issues. Every character is different and all party circumstances are different. The variety of items that any given character can hold varies greatly and to say that this item belongs to one certain class entirely, is misfounded. C'mon people, lets all share the cookies and milk!
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 14 2001 at 5:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Monks should have this item no doubt...it would help out a guild much more for a monk to get this item over a caster or any other class that could possibly get this item any day. The only people who would deny this are morons that have absolutely no idea what they're talkin about and prolly don't even know what FD pulling is. Yada Yada...yea yea it's the best shoulder item for this class and that class, yep...but a monk makes the most use of it hands down, it can't be denied.....all you level 40 and under NooBs should go somewhere else when ya have no grasp of the higher lvl game and/or have zero "raid experience". In other words, shut the hell up since half of ya sayin other classes could make better use of this item ya obviously have no f'n idea what you're talkin about whatsoever. Go post on flamevault or somethin, or the "NooB board"...anyways, ya don't belong here, get lost.
RE: too many NooBs
# Jul 30 2001 at 1:53 PM Rating: Default
Sorry but AC + 0wt does not = monk. Look at the saves. Everyone on the whole damn raid is going to get to roll for this if it's not awarded to someone. If it happens to be awarded to a monk, it will deffinatly not be because they are a monk. It will be for other reasons. This item is one of the truely all/all items. The stats don't even give a hint as to what class it should go to. Resists are universal. I believe that the ONLY reason that it is 0wt instead of 10wt or something is so that monks will find it just as desierable as the other classes so that no one can say that this item is better or worse for ANY class. If a monk, or anyone else, demanded that their class be the only class to be up for this item because it's 'better' for their class, they have no buisness being on that raid.

There are not a lot of all/all items that I say this about but this is one of the few TRUE all/all items.
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#Aren, Posted: Jun 25 2001 at 12:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I Really hate people like you in the game, you give us in the upper level game a very bad name. Mr "I'm the **** cause I have some uber guild to hand me everything so I know all" Lord knows if you've ever had to work for anything. Go back to school, and stop putting people down for not wanting a freaking nice item. I'm a warrior and if this drops for me on a raid I'm on you'll be sure as hell I'm rolling for it. Unless you have one of those 'I'm the ****' guilds, you won't always have a monk to pull for you and I would KILL for these saves. I hope your one of the people they ban from posting.
#Rrail, Posted: Jul 24 2001 at 11:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LMAO this guy does NOT have a uber guild, he cant even say n00b right... get a life, this is for everyone... or lose your life, we'd all like that too :) Your nearby free way can help you get rid of that pathetic life of yours quick, run across it at midnight ;)
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 12 2001 at 1:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) After putting up with all the cry baby monks on these posts i have one thing to say BITE ME >>>SUCK MY FING **************** U shouldnt have picked such a crapy class ... now look you have me bashing a class...in reality no class is more needy at this lvl than any other.. if you need an item then go for it .. get over it u whimp..
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# Jun 03 2001 at 11:12 AM Rating: Default
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Queklain, its elitest attitudes like yours that will keep you out of any of my groups. Their is a reason its All/All. If you don't like it, too damn bad.
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#Queklain, Posted: May 31 2001 at 10:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post)
#Queklain, Posted: May 31 2001 at 10:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hit enter twice :(
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