Scars of Velious
As a great alternative for int casters at least. There is a quest cloak from erudin now that requires a few things from SB mountains. Im pretty certain that the mobs that drop the quest items are about 45, so anyone should be able to get them without the trivial message. 9 Int and some other stats. This is a very trivial item as it has AWSOME stats for any class, even a monk as it only weigs 1.
However it dont matter what anyone says on this board couse the groups that get the drop will decide how they will split their loot and probably wont give any thought to what a bunch of people say on a msg board.
Shroud of the Dar Brood
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Posted: Jul 31 2001 at 6:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) actually white dragonscale cloak is what a caster should use, not this.. a caster should NEVER EVEN THINK of taking a haste item this good from a tank
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Posted: Aug 19 2001 at 12:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Actually, since white dragonscales are almost always awarded to a bard for his/her epic (a caster should NEVER EVEN THINK of taking an item required for someone's epic *chuckle*), perhaps you could suggest yet another alternative.
2 posts
Sorry to burst your bubble, but we kill Zlandicar and this goes to casters.
5 posts
Why would you waste this item on a caster?
Especially an INT based one? You can't say because it's got 9 INT because this game is absolutely swimming in INT items for pure casters. My wizard is at 218 INT with +660Mana at lvl 53 and the only reason I have 18 extra INT is because I can't find anywhere short of PoA, VP or ToV to upgrade the extra 18 out of existance.
No caster in thier right mind will wear it in the chest slot so that only leaves the back slot. And you could easily get _2_ Heirophant's Cloaks for Zlandicar's Talisman and the Heiro is a better cloak for casters (wis or int).
Especially an INT based one? You can't say because it's got 9 INT because this game is absolutely swimming in INT items for pure casters. My wizard is at 218 INT with +660Mana at lvl 53 and the only reason I have 18 extra INT is because I can't find anywhere short of PoA, VP or ToV to upgrade the extra 18 out of existance.
No caster in thier right mind will wear it in the chest slot so that only leaves the back slot. And you could easily get _2_ Heirophant's Cloaks for Zlandicar's Talisman and the Heiro is a better cloak for casters (wis or int).
Anonymous
um, wtf would you say the heiro cloak would be better for a caster? cause.... its not. look it up, or better yet get both and compare.
Why flame someone and then not put your name? Heiro is a better cloak, if you want mana items. Which if you're able to get this cloak then you are. Heiro also has stats all around. Also good for enchanters looking for a bit more charisma Only thing this has over the Herio is saves. I dont really get why this goes to int casters to begin with, it has haste, which int casters don't need. Just in case this posts this as anon, I'm Laanyan on torvo.
The main reason it would be "wasted" on a caster is that all the melees who could use it at the raid I got mine on (and I'm a Magician) already had better. Most were on Giant faction, or already had a dragon/epic haste item. And since it's a nice item for casters too, I got it.
Do what now?
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theres something i didnt really dwell on before but if the ppl killing him are on giant faction then they cant do quest, hence the talisman off zland would be only usefull as a neck peice and its a nice peice so sme casters may want to wear it.
however if they can do quest...i dont understand why a caster would get the item..200 intel is reachable in a breeze theres better caster cloaks out there and no..theres not a hole lot better haste wise out there...its faster or at the very worst as fast as a cof..it gives more hp's then a cof its 4 more ac then a cof and you get resists to cold fire and magic..and if your a tank in tov or vp or sleepers you need resists coming out yer ying yang using the stam + hp on the cloak it slightly edges out the cof also since cof has 0 stamina. For a mellee class..sk would be so into this cloak it dont matter but any real tank class is gonna be after this, its benefits for a tank class are enormous in particular hybrids, its benefits for a casting class are also great, but not nearly as great as mellee...however again
if the guild killing it is +giant -cov then yeah the talisman is a caster item pure an simple 5 ac on the neck aint cuttin it.
however if they can do quest...i dont understand why a caster would get the item..200 intel is reachable in a breeze theres better caster cloaks out there and no..theres not a hole lot better haste wise out there...its faster or at the very worst as fast as a cof..it gives more hp's then a cof its 4 more ac then a cof and you get resists to cold fire and magic..and if your a tank in tov or vp or sleepers you need resists coming out yer ying yang using the stam + hp on the cloak it slightly edges out the cof also since cof has 0 stamina. For a mellee class..sk would be so into this cloak it dont matter but any real tank class is gonna be after this, its benefits for a tank class are enormous in particular hybrids, its benefits for a casting class are also great, but not nearly as great as mellee...however again
if the guild killing it is +giant -cov then yeah the talisman is a caster item pure an simple 5 ac on the neck aint cuttin it.
L`malla is on giant faction. I'm sure that the caster who gets the talisman will complete the quest anyway. Faction is very easy to raise/lower. You can go from max KoS to max allied CoV in less than 2 days in the arena. I assume that raising the giant faction is just as easy (not sure im on CoV tho) by killing nest dragons or stuff in Skyshrine. Changing factions for a nice item like this is not a big deal.
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I have to agree that any class should get a chance at this item. There are so many other haste items out there for tanks. A item like this, if you take the effect out of the picture, you have a caster item, hands down...and we all know that. So the stats are great for casters...actually the stats are awesome for casters. The haste is just a plus. How many casters do you know that mele when oom? I know I sure will when I get my epic mage weapon and this item! Anyway, the point is, All classes can use this item. If tanks want the haste, go get a tank haste item....not a caster haste item.
I think we can call this item the caster haste item.
Then you have tank haste items.
So ALL ALL means that everyone should have a chance to get this item.
If you had to give a percent on Caster or Tank what would be your vote?
Id say 65% caster 35% Tank, and if I had to put 1 class on this item, that would be a Shadow Knight.
47 Mage of Bertoxxulous
I think we can call this item the caster haste item.
Then you have tank haste items.
So ALL ALL means that everyone should have a chance to get this item.
If you had to give a percent on Caster or Tank what would be your vote?
Id say 65% caster 35% Tank, and if I had to put 1 class on this item, that would be a Shadow Knight.
47 Mage of Bertoxxulous
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Well, as a player of a SK, I can certainly say that 14 AC in a cloak is nothing to sneeze at, altho yes there are better. I would wear this in a heartbeat, assuming the estimated haste is correct. I certainly wouldn't begrudge casters a shot at the talisman, but I'd want a shot at it too. This really is an all/all item, it has something for everyone, and valid reasons why anyone would want it.
But epic weapon and haste item or not... You, the OOM mage, sit your butt down and leave the fighting to the pros. ;)
But epic weapon and haste item or not... You, the OOM mage, sit your butt down and leave the fighting to the pros. ;)
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k im not trolling here jim honest :))
but caster haste items...did you eat chille before you went to bed last night? heh are you disturbed :))
9 intel 50 mana...if you dont have capped intel by the time you get this your kidding, so your taking a cloak that FASTER then a cof or at least as fast has MORE AC and saying its a caster haste item.
there is no such thing as a caster haste item..thats like saying the brain or eye of cazic thul is a tank mana regen item, ..the haste is just a plus ..i mean seriously if your a caster and your melleeing im going to disband you from group :)
i repeat one more time
at lvl 55 60 (50 even) you shud be capped intel with only like 90% of yer items on unless your going for a specific resist etc...if your then telilng me that 50 mana is great stats for casters im telling you..your wrong! RARR:)
agreed on the sk thing though its an sk's dream cloak.
but caster haste items...did you eat chille before you went to bed last night? heh are you disturbed :))
9 intel 50 mana...if you dont have capped intel by the time you get this your kidding, so your taking a cloak that FASTER then a cof or at least as fast has MORE AC and saying its a caster haste item.
there is no such thing as a caster haste item..thats like saying the brain or eye of cazic thul is a tank mana regen item, ..the haste is just a plus ..i mean seriously if your a caster and your melleeing im going to disband you from group :)
i repeat one more time
at lvl 55 60 (50 even) you shud be capped intel with only like 90% of yer items on unless your going for a specific resist etc...if your then telilng me that 50 mana is great stats for casters im telling you..your wrong! RARR:)
agreed on the sk thing though its an sk's dream cloak.
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....a few minor points...
1) you have just killed zlandicar to get this item. He is the head honcho of dragon necropolis he is a dragon...you dont kill himin a pickup group...heres the kicker, you dont "roll" on dragon loot as a rule, if you are talking in this thread about rolling on dragon loot congratulations you get to wear this weeks "king of the newbies" crown.
2. This item is a 40% haste item guilds that do this mob prefer giving this item to thier tanks, sorry deal with it when you get to the level of the game you are required to be at to kill the mob in this encounter you will understand why you give your best tanks the best haste. The people whining about it being a caster item need to look at the highly successful powerful guilds that do this mob they have a clue and gie this item to tanks, maybe just maybe you should get one (a clue that is) too.
3. Just a short note..only people with indifferent or better claws of veeshan faction can do quest so that pretty much cuts it out.
4. If your with a guild that is good enough not to need it then you can start treating it like a necklace of superiority and divvy it up as standard loot, and believe me there are guilds out there where this is the case.
try not to come from a position of ignorance and you'll be far better off.
1) you have just killed zlandicar to get this item. He is the head honcho of dragon necropolis he is a dragon...you dont kill himin a pickup group...heres the kicker, you dont "roll" on dragon loot as a rule, if you are talking in this thread about rolling on dragon loot congratulations you get to wear this weeks "king of the newbies" crown.
2. This item is a 40% haste item guilds that do this mob prefer giving this item to thier tanks, sorry deal with it when you get to the level of the game you are required to be at to kill the mob in this encounter you will understand why you give your best tanks the best haste. The people whining about it being a caster item need to look at the highly successful powerful guilds that do this mob they have a clue and gie this item to tanks, maybe just maybe you should get one (a clue that is) too.
3. Just a short note..only people with indifferent or better claws of veeshan faction can do quest so that pretty much cuts it out.
4. If your with a guild that is good enough not to need it then you can start treating it like a necklace of superiority and divvy it up as standard loot, and believe me there are guilds out there where this is the case.
try not to come from a position of ignorance and you'll be far better off.
I love how you folks love to vent. Har, har. But seriously instead of flaming so and so cause they think it might be better for one class or another: Why not post something useful? Such as haste %, or drop rate or quest info if it is a quest item etc. Jeez If I was someone just looking to get into the game I might be rather discoraged by the constant bickering that goes on in these threads. Seems the only items that don't have someone ranting in the discusion threads are the realy new item or uberrare gear that no one either 1)knows much about or 2) is wiling to share info on.
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Couldnt agree with you more.
Mhmhmh, they do have an admin for this server / board eh? I would [ delete ] all these lame posts with bickering, flaming and attitude in the contents.
now THAT would be fun
Mhmhmh, they do have an admin for this server / board eh? I would [ delete ] all these lame posts with bickering, flaming and attitude in the contents.
now THAT would be fun
Anonymous
I'm sorry to post this here, but reading all the off-topic comments below, I decided to go ahead, cuz it's annoying. "Need before greed..." that statement was coined to "simplify" the handing out of loot at raids generally. However, I love how people will jump all over this phrase whenever it suits them, and conveniently ignore it when it doesn't. The definition of "who can use an item" is quite simple, as Verant did the work for us. If you see your class/race combo in the description, your class can use it. Who is a tank to tell me as my druid I don't need haste, especially when that haste item has a dozen other stats? (Mind you, he is downplaying all the other stats and focusing only on the haste). And who is a druid to tell me as my warrior that I don't need an item with 100 mana that also happens to have 100 hitpoints?
Christ people, you will all come up with some reason for why so-and-so should get this, or why one class should be preferred. With now three characters over 50, stats can get maxed out quite easily, what with all the new zones, drops, quests, etc. Why would I keep getting more and more WIS items or STR items when the stat is already at 250+? I might as well focus on another stat that is useful. So if an item is ALL/ALL, how can someone tell me I can't roll for it, when we all had the same risk of dying, and it took ALL OF US, as a TEAM, to accomplish the goal that provided the drops.
Now, if something drops that is class limited (i.e., WAR only), then shut up you other classes, the warriors roll and that's it. Same should go for ANY class-restrictive loot. I just don't see why people insist on taking it upon themselves to play God (that's Verants job) and determine who "needs" an item. And heaven forbid you should complain about it while AT the raid. I've seen people argue that other classes should be able to roll for a certain item, and the threats about "I'll never invite you on a raid again, and make sure that everyone else know about you too!"... my god people! How childish.
I just don't get some people's determination of who gets what. If it has Haste, melees get it. If it has Haste and WIS, melees get it. If it has Haste and WIS and Mana, melees get it. Why? Because it has haste. Umm??? Where is the logic in that? I saw a guy selling a Cloak of Flames in EC a couple of weeks back - the same guy that had one the thing in a Nagafen raid, and had argued that only melees should roll for it. At that same raid, another guy shouted "Why do you casters think you should roll for something that you are just gonna sell?" Ummm... the tank did, why shouldn't the casters have the same opportunity?
In that example, we see "Need before greed" being abused. I am not saying all tanks would do such a thing, but it happens, and since it does, it's wrong to prevent others that can technically use it from rolling for it, even if they plan to sell it. How else better to get an item they really want instead, just like that tank did (perhaps he had something better or had another item in mind he wanted more). And I don't mean to pick on melees here, I've seen plenty of casters pull the same crap, so don't you guys go agreeing with my one point and accusing melees of being the bad guys.
Lastly, I have seen people twink other chars with items they won on raids. Some may not see the point, but I do. If you are 55+ (especially 60), you don't have much further to go, and it is sometimes a nice break to play a faster levelling character, and what better than to give him one of the items you just got from your last raid (this isn't a discussion of whether twinking is right or wrong, so please don't start those posts *sigh*). So again, why should a certain class be allowed to roll for an item, using "Need before greed" as their reasoning, and then do with the item as they please, i.e., trade, sell, twink, give to a friend (gotta be eccentric for that I suppose), etc. Need is too subjective at best - what one person feels is need, another may not agree with. The tank might "need" the Cloak of Flames so that he can hit faster and improve his stats, the caster might "need" it so that he can sell it and buy that elusive and expensive item he has been wanting since the n00b days, and the other tank might "need" it so that he can PL his monk faster.
But wait! What if the item is NO DROP, so whoever loots it gets it for life? No selling, no trading, no twinking - isn't that different? Only slightly. But the determination of need is still oppinionated. For example, I may "need" this item (Shroud of the Dar Brood) for my warrior because of the Haste, STA and HP. I may also "need" this item for my druid because of the WIS, HP and MANA. And I may again also "need" this item for my Enchanter because of the INT, HP and MANA. And guess what? ALL of them can use it. So who decides who gets it? Is it really fair to say any one class is more deserving than another? Again, if an item was restricted to certain classes and/or races, then whoever can't actually use it, can't have it. The number one priority should be WHO CAN USE IT, in my opinion. That is easy to determine - it's right there on the item.
In summation of this long and drawn out post, I think that we need to all stop being so greedy (and many of those so-called "needy" ones are by far the greediest). We need to realize that we can rarely get anything accomplished at higher levels without our friends and our guild, and even other guilds in some cases. Therefore, teamwork is needed for success. Teamwork means everyone takes the same risks to accomplish the goal, and everyone should have the same chance for a reward from completion of the task.
P.S. Although one could argue from my post that everyone should then be allowed to roll for everything, there has to be some control. As I stated several times, if you are restricted from using it by the item, NOT people's opinions, then don't roll on it. And if you really don't "need" the item, and just intend to sell it, even if you are a class that "can" roll for it, be fair and don't roll, because you are only encouraging the greed with your own.
Christ people, you will all come up with some reason for why so-and-so should get this, or why one class should be preferred. With now three characters over 50, stats can get maxed out quite easily, what with all the new zones, drops, quests, etc. Why would I keep getting more and more WIS items or STR items when the stat is already at 250+? I might as well focus on another stat that is useful. So if an item is ALL/ALL, how can someone tell me I can't roll for it, when we all had the same risk of dying, and it took ALL OF US, as a TEAM, to accomplish the goal that provided the drops.
Now, if something drops that is class limited (i.e., WAR only), then shut up you other classes, the warriors roll and that's it. Same should go for ANY class-restrictive loot. I just don't see why people insist on taking it upon themselves to play God (that's Verants job) and determine who "needs" an item. And heaven forbid you should complain about it while AT the raid. I've seen people argue that other classes should be able to roll for a certain item, and the threats about "I'll never invite you on a raid again, and make sure that everyone else know about you too!"... my god people! How childish.
I just don't get some people's determination of who gets what. If it has Haste, melees get it. If it has Haste and WIS, melees get it. If it has Haste and WIS and Mana, melees get it. Why? Because it has haste. Umm??? Where is the logic in that? I saw a guy selling a Cloak of Flames in EC a couple of weeks back - the same guy that had one the thing in a Nagafen raid, and had argued that only melees should roll for it. At that same raid, another guy shouted "Why do you casters think you should roll for something that you are just gonna sell?" Ummm... the tank did, why shouldn't the casters have the same opportunity?
In that example, we see "Need before greed" being abused. I am not saying all tanks would do such a thing, but it happens, and since it does, it's wrong to prevent others that can technically use it from rolling for it, even if they plan to sell it. How else better to get an item they really want instead, just like that tank did (perhaps he had something better or had another item in mind he wanted more). And I don't mean to pick on melees here, I've seen plenty of casters pull the same crap, so don't you guys go agreeing with my one point and accusing melees of being the bad guys.
Lastly, I have seen people twink other chars with items they won on raids. Some may not see the point, but I do. If you are 55+ (especially 60), you don't have much further to go, and it is sometimes a nice break to play a faster levelling character, and what better than to give him one of the items you just got from your last raid (this isn't a discussion of whether twinking is right or wrong, so please don't start those posts *sigh*). So again, why should a certain class be allowed to roll for an item, using "Need before greed" as their reasoning, and then do with the item as they please, i.e., trade, sell, twink, give to a friend (gotta be eccentric for that I suppose), etc. Need is too subjective at best - what one person feels is need, another may not agree with. The tank might "need" the Cloak of Flames so that he can hit faster and improve his stats, the caster might "need" it so that he can sell it and buy that elusive and expensive item he has been wanting since the n00b days, and the other tank might "need" it so that he can PL his monk faster.
But wait! What if the item is NO DROP, so whoever loots it gets it for life? No selling, no trading, no twinking - isn't that different? Only slightly. But the determination of need is still oppinionated. For example, I may "need" this item (Shroud of the Dar Brood) for my warrior because of the Haste, STA and HP. I may also "need" this item for my druid because of the WIS, HP and MANA. And I may again also "need" this item for my Enchanter because of the INT, HP and MANA. And guess what? ALL of them can use it. So who decides who gets it? Is it really fair to say any one class is more deserving than another? Again, if an item was restricted to certain classes and/or races, then whoever can't actually use it, can't have it. The number one priority should be WHO CAN USE IT, in my opinion. That is easy to determine - it's right there on the item.
In summation of this long and drawn out post, I think that we need to all stop being so greedy (and many of those so-called "needy" ones are by far the greediest). We need to realize that we can rarely get anything accomplished at higher levels without our friends and our guild, and even other guilds in some cases. Therefore, teamwork is needed for success. Teamwork means everyone takes the same risks to accomplish the goal, and everyone should have the same chance for a reward from completion of the task.
P.S. Although one could argue from my post that everyone should then be allowed to roll for everything, there has to be some control. As I stated several times, if you are restricted from using it by the item, NOT people's opinions, then don't roll on it. And if you really don't "need" the item, and just intend to sell it, even if you are a class that "can" roll for it, be fair and don't roll, because you are only encouraging the greed with your own.
Oh yes, you're so very right... the 40% haste cloak should go to the poor cleric or wizard because they need another 9 int/wis and 50 more mana at lvl 58+ when they get this, oh yes you very so need it. Just don't come crawling back whining when your tanks can't keep mobs taunted off of you because they don't swing fast enough.
In short: Shutup.
In short: Shutup.
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That max int/wis has to come from somewhere - it's not like you have 1 item with 150 int or wis on it and then go crazy filling up other slots with items that have other stats you need as a caster. This item has nice stats for everyone, thus it is ALL/ALL.
In addition, you should consider the cleric that is only alive to heal you because he or she has items with mana, wis, and hp. Or perhaps the enchanter with similar gear that mezzes the 5 mobs pounding on you, thus keeping you and your party alive.
Lastly, it's an item in a game - not worth getting so upset that you write irrationally and tell people to shut up in a silly discussion about it. Maybe you should play a different game where you do not become so furious over a piece of clothing.
In addition, you should consider the cleric that is only alive to heal you because he or she has items with mana, wis, and hp. Or perhaps the enchanter with similar gear that mezzes the 5 mobs pounding on you, thus keeping you and your party alive.
Lastly, it's an item in a game - not worth getting so upset that you write irrationally and tell people to shut up in a silly discussion about it. Maybe you should play a different game where you do not become so furious over a piece of clothing.
Max int/wis can some from somewhere else. If this is 40% haste it is for melee, deal with it.
Liveye (lvl 60 Wizard)
PS- 35 points over max int here and my cloak is int +3.
Liveye (lvl 60 Wizard)
PS- 35 points over max int here and my cloak is int +3.
I couldn't agree with you more. This item has vital stats for every single class. Its all/all. Its No Drop. Anyone who doesn't have better should have a chance for the roll on the talisman. Any justification of ruling out a class or type is entirely arbitrary.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 20 2001 at 7:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oops, forgot another example of how people can abuse the "Need before greed" thing. Those nice higher-end items that aren't LORE are quite easy to remove and put in a bag - heck even a LORE item can be placed on another character or with a trusted friend until you sell the new one you just got because you were one of the only classes that was allowed to roll on the ALL/ALL item. It's sad, I know, but people do it all the time, and it really unbalances the whole "good intentions" (sarcasm intended) of restricting rolls for such items to the ones determined to need it most.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 11 2001 at 2:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Okay...ill not speak for any catser other then necromancer!!!
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 05 2001 at 4:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) this thing is great for all classes, hence the all/all, there is no specific class that should get this before any other. I personaly play a enchanter/mage/warrior, the resists and int/mana are good for the caster classes , the haste/ac and other stuff are good for the rest, it shouldnt be oh im this class so it should go to me, it should be all roll, may the better man win. people make me sick with the "well it does this and i want it cause my class could realy use it". I'll tell you what, you can have it, but next time you are lfg and im headed that way, you will not group with me, nor even if i need your class realy bad, i would rather not hunt than to group with a loot hungry person. All/all means anyone, Verant realy f*cked up on lots of things but the all/all seems to be pretty fair. Those of you that have it and won it(not by " it should go to me cause im the best class for it when others would want/use it") grats, those that wined and ***** to get it, i got a block of cheese to go with it you greedy basterds
Anonymous
Hmm.. Seems to me that everyone here lists a specific reason why it would be good for a certain class. Fact is, its badass for anyone who can get it. When one says "look at the haste" and another says "look at the wis/int/mana," they're never gonna agree on anything b/c they are arguing over two different things! If you get this, then I congratulate on your very nice role for that talisman and pray for a bit of your luck.
Anonymous
Umh, not just melee have haste caps. All classes cap out at the same max. N
#Anonymous,
Posted: May 20 2001 at 3:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) just an enc or shaman buff isn't going to get you to the haste cap.. you need item + spell haste to get to it.. and high end of both types at that..
Okay, why not turn it around, then. See that Int and Wis? That's +*9* Do you know how hard it is to get a +9 on the shoulder? According to this site, there are two better shoulder items (for clerics, anyway) in the *game.* For Enchanters, there's *one.*
Lets reverse what you say. Why should a non-spellcaster get to roll on whatever drops the neccessary items for this? They're wasting one of the top items of a particular slot of the *neccessary* stat in the game. Sure, int and wis can be maxed out, but so can Haste. Hell, the +50 mana on this does absolutely nothing at all for Monks, Warriors, and Rogues, not even piddly little things like helping trade skills. And that's a pretty spiffy mana on it, too.
The only classes that get the very most out of this shawl are the hybrids. Either say "hybrids only," or shut the heck up. I myself would say "its all/all, has vital stats that everyone needs, everyone rolls." Unless, of course, you think you can get this without clerics or enchanters.
Lets reverse what you say. Why should a non-spellcaster get to roll on whatever drops the neccessary items for this? They're wasting one of the top items of a particular slot of the *neccessary* stat in the game. Sure, int and wis can be maxed out, but so can Haste. Hell, the +50 mana on this does absolutely nothing at all for Monks, Warriors, and Rogues, not even piddly little things like helping trade skills. And that's a pretty spiffy mana on it, too.
The only classes that get the very most out of this shawl are the hybrids. Either say "hybrids only," or shut the heck up. I myself would say "its all/all, has vital stats that everyone needs, everyone rolls." Unless, of course, you think you can get this without clerics or enchanters.
Anonymous
hey casters (enchies in particular) if the tanks dont have the AC and haste becuase you decided to snatch all the gear up GUESS WHO GETS TO DIE NEXT wow that AC come sin handy BIG TIME when you got a 0 survivability factor in WW and up.
~PS all you level 30 people putting up all these wow i like this/this doesnt drop off of giant rats!? posts please save your breath i feel a little stupider everytime i read one of these pages
~PS all you level 30 people putting up all these wow i like this/this doesnt drop off of giant rats!? posts please save your breath i feel a little stupider everytime i read one of these pages
Hey you tanks, if the Cleric dies if he doesn't have the AC to take the hits, or runs out of mana because he doesn't have quite enough Wis and Mana (not everyone can easily max out their wis or int, despite what people seem to think,) GUESS WHO GETS TO DIE NEXT. Sheesh. Your arguement works either way.
And how long do you get once the Enchanter goes under? Sure, no matter how much his AC is, he isn't going to tank, but sometimes one more hits worth is enough for the tank to taunt the mob off of him. And then the tank gets to live too.
Your arguement works both ways. Also please learn to capitalize and punctuate, it makes reading your posts easier.
And how long do you get once the Enchanter goes under? Sure, no matter how much his AC is, he isn't going to tank, but sometimes one more hits worth is enough for the tank to taunt the mob off of him. And then the tank gets to live too.
Your arguement works both ways. Also please learn to capitalize and punctuate, it makes reading your posts easier.
25 posts
Why do dumbass Newbs keep saying "By the time you get this" as if EVERYONE has a CoF, RBB, CBC, PoA haste, NOT everyone has an uber haste item, this is an uber haste item and anyone that lacks one will want it, ROFL
Alagarn
Alagarn
*nods* example.. my warrior is 55, almost 56, still uses a fbss.. my monk is 54, he SHARES that fbss with my warrior.. yes I own 1 haste item between the two, and not even a very good one, after almost 2 years of playing.. so no.. not everyone has high end items when they reach high end levels..
bad luck.. not good at trading.. for whatever reason
bad luck.. not good at trading.. for whatever reason
Anonymous
Haste on this cloak/bp is 40%.
6 posts
Why would you go hunt a lvl 65 mob to abtain a lvl 50 item? I mean if your hunting the lvl 65 mob that drops the item you need for this quest you don't need this item for its haste,stats, or anything it offers.
12 posts
You may remember a long time ago that casters can actualy hit things with their sticks. Shaman and clerics (especialy epic) are actualy good at melee and can make some use of the haste especialy as they often go OOM toward the end of an epic encounter. Wizards can whack away for ages while waiting for the mob to get to 50% health and enchanters would love the AC. Sitting to med is frequently imposible so why not swing your incense burner or spear of fate arround for a few hundred points of damage it may just make the diference.
Hitting fast with melee is a often the only way to interupt spell casters so even if the few hundred hp is not relavent the 1% more hits per second may well be critical.
Haste is critical for melee classes but anyone who is capable of getting this item is capable of getting *much* better melee hastes item with less effort (i.e. more haste - though I'd like more info on how much haste this has) the extra AC is not worth one perecentage point of haste let alone five.
This is OK for hybrids - slight drop in melee damage out put (good? less agro) - great ac - (good cause they got naff hp ac) and some significant stat boosts. The only thing it is not is a pure melee item.
Hitting fast with melee is a often the only way to interupt spell casters so even if the few hundred hp is not relavent the 1% more hits per second may well be critical.
Haste is critical for melee classes but anyone who is capable of getting this item is capable of getting *much* better melee hastes item with less effort (i.e. more haste - though I'd like more info on how much haste this has) the extra AC is not worth one perecentage point of haste let alone five.
This is OK for hybrids - slight drop in melee damage out put (good? less agro) - great ac - (good cause they got naff hp ac) and some significant stat boosts. The only thing it is not is a pure melee item.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 01 2001 at 4:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You are kidding right?
10 posts
Don't post assumptions about classes you've never played, please? =\
Anonymous
LOL, i dont think the caster classes will have their offensive skills maxed, and even if they were, it'd only be at about 110, half a melee class of the same lvl. In other words, they wouldnt hit the thing:-)
30 posts
If yer fightin' with a shaman that doesn't have his/her combat skills close to max/maxed already, they're morons.
Bind Wound 200 (easy to max with Canni)
Defense 195 (hey I'm not even 50 yet, gimme a break)
Offense 200 (maxed)
Piercing 190 (almost there!)
Dodge 75 (maxed)
1HB/2HB (both around 130, work in progress)
Bind Wound 200 (easy to max with Canni)
Defense 195 (hey I'm not even 50 yet, gimme a break)
Offense 200 (maxed)
Piercing 190 (almost there!)
Dodge 75 (maxed)
1HB/2HB (both around 130, work in progress)
Anonymous
50 dru
200 defense(max)
200 offense(max)
120 1hb
100+ 2hb
175 1hs(max)
Personally i would love having this chest slot, no saying tanks or whatever shouldnt role for it, but this would be very nice for a dru or shm, or any caster class
200 defense(max)
200 offense(max)
120 1hb
100+ 2hb
175 1hs(max)
Personally i would love having this chest slot, no saying tanks or whatever shouldnt role for it, but this would be very nice for a dru or shm, or any caster class
Anonymous
Ok, I know nothing about this item besides what I have read here.. I am here to post why this would be good for casters. I am not saying that this isn't a great cloak for hybrids or other tanks just need to state what items such as this give to casters:
(1) AC - I hear people stating that casters have no need for ac (I was once a total newb on that thought process also). Next to the casters' int/wis, AC is KEY. I have heard posts saying "Us tanks protect you frail casters." Well tanks, pick an uber mob that you could take with all the casters in your guild, but tell your casters they can't go, I wish you luck. Back to the subject, you do not seem to reallize that every spell we cast causes a certain amount of hate (aggro) in a mob. This meaning that if they don't like us, the less they are able to hit us the better.
(2) The int/wis that this gives will give those casters the opportunity to free up another slot or two to substitute in either more resist gear, more mana gear, or more ac.
(3) While I'm on the subject of resists have you ever been a caster who got hit by a full nuke from some powerful wizzy mob? Guess what, without proper resists your clerics could start dropping left and right along with your enchanters, wizzys, etc...
(4) I mentioned mana earlier but I think that casters tend to look too much into this. It is nice to get mana adding equipment but it is more usefull to have the mana already included in your high int/wis items such as this one. The equipment you are taking off to add mana would be much more benificial used on AC and resists.
(5) HASTE: A completely wasted stat when a caster gets this, yes. BUT, when a warrior, rogue, monk, gets wis, int, cha... aren't these wasted stats also? Overall this is excellent for a hybrid, BUT, This doesn't mean that they should get it. There are many excellent choices in leau of this one.
Well, you have all heard my piece and I will likely post the same thing on a few more message boards.
Please feel free to send me a tell with any information you may have to add, edit, or just to tell me I'm completely full of ****. I do not claim to know much but figured I'd try to clear up a little ignorance for those who jump to conclusions.
Send tells to Bloxr, level 47 troll shaman on The Nameless server. I know you're saying wow... only lvl 47, yes. I have been smart though. I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, and for the past 47 levels I've learned a lot, and have tested most everything I have been able to.
If you try and try to find me on the Nameless but with no avail, send me an e-mail at WxSux@earthlink.net (please put a related topic so I don't think it is spam mail)
(1) AC - I hear people stating that casters have no need for ac (I was once a total newb on that thought process also). Next to the casters' int/wis, AC is KEY. I have heard posts saying "Us tanks protect you frail casters." Well tanks, pick an uber mob that you could take with all the casters in your guild, but tell your casters they can't go, I wish you luck. Back to the subject, you do not seem to reallize that every spell we cast causes a certain amount of hate (aggro) in a mob. This meaning that if they don't like us, the less they are able to hit us the better.
(2) The int/wis that this gives will give those casters the opportunity to free up another slot or two to substitute in either more resist gear, more mana gear, or more ac.
(3) While I'm on the subject of resists have you ever been a caster who got hit by a full nuke from some powerful wizzy mob? Guess what, without proper resists your clerics could start dropping left and right along with your enchanters, wizzys, etc...
(4) I mentioned mana earlier but I think that casters tend to look too much into this. It is nice to get mana adding equipment but it is more usefull to have the mana already included in your high int/wis items such as this one. The equipment you are taking off to add mana would be much more benificial used on AC and resists.
(5) HASTE: A completely wasted stat when a caster gets this, yes. BUT, when a warrior, rogue, monk, gets wis, int, cha... aren't these wasted stats also? Overall this is excellent for a hybrid, BUT, This doesn't mean that they should get it. There are many excellent choices in leau of this one.
Well, you have all heard my piece and I will likely post the same thing on a few more message boards.
Please feel free to send me a tell with any information you may have to add, edit, or just to tell me I'm completely full of ****. I do not claim to know much but figured I'd try to clear up a little ignorance for those who jump to conclusions.
Send tells to Bloxr, level 47 troll shaman on The Nameless server. I know you're saying wow... only lvl 47, yes. I have been smart though. I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, and for the past 47 levels I've learned a lot, and have tested most everything I have been able to.
If you try and try to find me on the Nameless but with no avail, send me an e-mail at WxSux@earthlink.net (please put a related topic so I don't think it is spam mail)
Anonymous
OK I'll tackle your points 1 by 1.
(1) Yes casters need AC, but, there are plenty of other items that grant AC to casters, besides the fact that when you're at a level to fight an epic mob, you will almost NEVER get a melee aggro unless you don't know what the hell you're doing. You need resists for the AE's NOT AC.
(2)Can't argue much with that, except to say that by the level a caster can get this item, his/her wis/int better be at the cap, or again, they don't know what they're doing.
(3)Damn right. Resists mean a TON to casters at higher levels, but there are other (and better) items to get them from.
(4) I don't understand the point you're trying to make on this one.
(5) Big mistake here. There are a TON of items that give wis and int for every slot you can fill. There are only a HANDFUL of haste items and every one of these is worth over 10k if tradeble. It's not hard for a caster to get an item that gives +9 int/wis it's damn near IMPOSSIBLE for the average melee to get a haste item.
This argument gets posted on A LOT of items that casters feel they should be able to have. Hell there are tons of arguments made by casters that want to be able to get stuff they can't even USE so they can sell it or twink a baby warrior. You don't see melee complaining that they want something that is clearly a great caster item but they can wear too? How would a caster feel about a melee that wanted say an earing that had 6AC 8str 20int 200mana +10 to all saves, because they like the AC and str and saves are nice too? Casters would have a fit!
Some items just cry out the class that they are good for, this one I'm afraid SCREAMS Hybrid, as EVERY stat on it benefits them. Sorry.
(1) Yes casters need AC, but, there are plenty of other items that grant AC to casters, besides the fact that when you're at a level to fight an epic mob, you will almost NEVER get a melee aggro unless you don't know what the hell you're doing. You need resists for the AE's NOT AC.
(2)Can't argue much with that, except to say that by the level a caster can get this item, his/her wis/int better be at the cap, or again, they don't know what they're doing.
(3)Damn right. Resists mean a TON to casters at higher levels, but there are other (and better) items to get them from.
(4) I don't understand the point you're trying to make on this one.
(5) Big mistake here. There are a TON of items that give wis and int for every slot you can fill. There are only a HANDFUL of haste items and every one of these is worth over 10k if tradeble. It's not hard for a caster to get an item that gives +9 int/wis it's damn near IMPOSSIBLE for the average melee to get a haste item.
This argument gets posted on A LOT of items that casters feel they should be able to have. Hell there are tons of arguments made by casters that want to be able to get stuff they can't even USE so they can sell it or twink a baby warrior. You don't see melee complaining that they want something that is clearly a great caster item but they can wear too? How would a caster feel about a melee that wanted say an earing that had 6AC 8str 20int 200mana +10 to all saves, because they like the AC and str and saves are nice too? Casters would have a fit!
Some items just cry out the class that they are good for, this one I'm afraid SCREAMS Hybrid, as EVERY stat on it benefits them. Sorry.
just thought I'd post about this
um, I'm 60 ench and my int isnt at the cap. often I keep it down at 190 buffed in exchange for about 300 hps and 25 ac. (I find hitpoints to be far more usefull than mana, since I go oom about um, never) (ps, yes its not that I cant get cap, its that I choose not to. I can get a projected 272 (actually 255) int if I wear all the int items I have in the bank)
also, I know exactly what the hell I'm doing ^.^
but, to top it off. I'm going to say there is about no way I would think about wearing this cloak. sure AC is nice, but not at the expense of 55 or 60 hps
(ignore the sig, its dated but I'm lazy)
um, I'm 60 ench and my int isnt at the cap. often I keep it down at 190 buffed in exchange for about 300 hps and 25 ac. (I find hitpoints to be far more usefull than mana, since I go oom about um, never) (ps, yes its not that I cant get cap, its that I choose not to. I can get a projected 272 (actually 255) int if I wear all the int items I have in the bank)
also, I know exactly what the hell I'm doing ^.^
but, to top it off. I'm going to say there is about no way I would think about wearing this cloak. sure AC is nice, but not at the expense of 55 or 60 hps
(ignore the sig, its dated but I'm lazy)
2 posts
Ok I'll tackle your points 1 by 1.
1)Both casters and melee need AC. Melee, however are fortunate enough to have masses and masses of better AC gear available to them ALWAYS. I'd like to see the Pally or Ranger who takes off his Velious quest BP to wear this :b And as far as wearing it for a cloak, there are easier ways of getting a haste cloak with stats more appropriate for melee - go kill Kelorek Dar or something. If you're a lvl 55+ melee and dont have haste yet, you're not likely to be on a raid to get this either, are you?
Casters only agro if they dont know what they're doing? Pfft. Get real. Either you're not very observant or have only done high level raids since you were lvl 1. While your statement might hold true for large raids, it is VERY wrong for anything up to 3 groups. Havent you ever noticed that when you get a bad agro that all the mobs go straight for the chanter first, then either the evacer or cleric?
2) Sheesh, you dont know a thing about casters. The higher the int/wis, the lower the resists, and in places like DN, you can bet my group loves me for having 211 unbuffed wis because I'm the only one who can get a snare on some mobs. Also, the higher the int/wis the more resists and mana gear you can swap in when needed. A melee doesnt have to be taking hits (which is when AC comes in useful) to be effective - look at rogues - but casters do need mana to be effective.
3) Really, is there? The only item I found to be better is the Lodi Shield. And thats only a wis item.
5) Ditto. Its damn near impossible for casters to get decent AC and resist gear, ESPECIALLY gear that doesnt severly compromise their mana pool.
The average 50+ melee DOES have a haste item. And if you're 50- you're not even going to be on a raid for this item, so thats a mute point.
6) The Jumpy robe has haste. By your definition, thats a perfect melee item. Maybe the reason melee dont complain that it should be melee is because they couldnt give a rats *** for the piddley AC and str, they'd never wear that robe even with the haste. In fact, by your definition of what SCREAMS hybrid item, the Jumpy robe is even better because it has 5 str instead of 8 sta and the same AC and we all know str increases attack.
The only thing this shroud SCREAMS is amazing item. The only classes this item would be wasted on is monks and warriors.
Nuff said.
1)Both casters and melee need AC. Melee, however are fortunate enough to have masses and masses of better AC gear available to them ALWAYS. I'd like to see the Pally or Ranger who takes off his Velious quest BP to wear this :b And as far as wearing it for a cloak, there are easier ways of getting a haste cloak with stats more appropriate for melee - go kill Kelorek Dar or something. If you're a lvl 55+ melee and dont have haste yet, you're not likely to be on a raid to get this either, are you?
Casters only agro if they dont know what they're doing? Pfft. Get real. Either you're not very observant or have only done high level raids since you were lvl 1. While your statement might hold true for large raids, it is VERY wrong for anything up to 3 groups. Havent you ever noticed that when you get a bad agro that all the mobs go straight for the chanter first, then either the evacer or cleric?
2) Sheesh, you dont know a thing about casters. The higher the int/wis, the lower the resists, and in places like DN, you can bet my group loves me for having 211 unbuffed wis because I'm the only one who can get a snare on some mobs. Also, the higher the int/wis the more resists and mana gear you can swap in when needed. A melee doesnt have to be taking hits (which is when AC comes in useful) to be effective - look at rogues - but casters do need mana to be effective.
3) Really, is there? The only item I found to be better is the Lodi Shield. And thats only a wis item.
5) Ditto. Its damn near impossible for casters to get decent AC and resist gear, ESPECIALLY gear that doesnt severly compromise their mana pool.
The average 50+ melee DOES have a haste item. And if you're 50- you're not even going to be on a raid for this item, so thats a mute point.
6) The Jumpy robe has haste. By your definition, thats a perfect melee item. Maybe the reason melee dont complain that it should be melee is because they couldnt give a rats *** for the piddley AC and str, they'd never wear that robe even with the haste. In fact, by your definition of what SCREAMS hybrid item, the Jumpy robe is even better because it has 5 str instead of 8 sta and the same AC and we all know str increases attack.
The only thing this shroud SCREAMS is amazing item. The only classes this item would be wasted on is monks and warriors.
Nuff said.
9 posts
Heiro cloak has more hp and mana,so I wear on chest and it looks very nice
Anonymous
I just got the talisman and I am a 56 Shaman.. Its way better than the Heirophants which I am replacing.. thx info
#Anonymous,
Posted: Apr 21 2001 at 12:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No self-respecting tank should be wearing this - the AC is mediocre, and there are plenty of dragon haste items that a tank could be wearing that are much easier to obtain and have better tank stats. The unique method of acquisition, combined with the int/wis and save attributes make this an ideal caster item, and Haste should never have been put on it as it fosters disputes about who should loot the Talisman.
#Anonymous,
Posted: May 24 2001 at 8:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) it's obvious you've done no research whatsoever.
Anonymous
Name 1 haste cloak with better ac/stats/haste then this cloak?
Cloak of the Fire Storm 24 ac 15 to ALL Melee stats Haste is very high also
2 posts
okie, the cloak-tunic is 36 precent haste...its dragon haste..all dragon haste is 36 precent,
and its a short quest, and you MUST have sneak to get it so bye bye Warriors- thats why Druids have it.you gota kill Zladicar and get a Talisman hes got, not the one you need for sleepiners key, but a nother talisman, basicly you just need to give this item to a dragon in Western wastes, cant remmember the name of the dragon, Use invis and sneak and give him the talisman to resive the cloak-tunic...BTW thi si not Yldal.. just using hes comp ;)
and its a short quest, and you MUST have sneak to get it so bye bye Warriors- thats why Druids have it.you gota kill Zladicar and get a Talisman hes got, not the one you need for sleepiners key, but a nother talisman, basicly you just need to give this item to a dragon in Western wastes, cant remmember the name of the dragon, Use invis and sneak and give him the talisman to resive the cloak-tunic...BTW thi si not Yldal.. just using hes comp ;)
25 posts
When I read the name of this item, I thought it was "Shroud of the Bar Drood!"
ROFL.
ROFL.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Feb 22 2001 at 10:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) HAHAHAH ROFLM.......ummmmmmm.........ummmmmm............no, that was just stupid.
Anonymous
Had one for a couple weeks now, and tested the haste myself.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Feb 22 2001 at 10:29 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok, here is my take on this. For a while now Haste items were obviously pure melee. ie str sta dex agi modifiers. Now they are putting some items out there for Hybrids. That means that they have wis and int on them. This makes the casters drool.
Anonymous
I am so sick and tired of the stereo typing items. I am level 51 Necro and just upgraded my Raw Silk Cape to a nightmare hide. OOOOHHHH, tremble. You say, well that is you own fault. I say no, it is attitudes like this that prevent me from rolling (I know this item is no drop) on things that I can at least sell to buy the things I can't get to drop - mind you, i am not talking about uber, rare, class specific items. I "need" this item at least as much as any tank.
Next trick, go to the item search by zone and pull a couple at random and count up the items available to the dif classes. You will see a 10:1 drop infavor of tanks in many places. In some zones, there is no loot for specific classes. So are they(the excluded ones) out in the cold if they group/raid there? I say no.
Example, if you are on a raid in CoM for the Reavers (all in raid are 45+) and a Wu's trance stick drops, quick monk check (prolly has better already) then it goes to gravy roll - all present roll on item.
Sorry, my post is off topic ... really cool shroud, would love to have one...but, after reading the preceeding post, I finally blew a gasket on this so&so needs it more; even though it is all/all, you will be excluded from any chance of getting it.
You say dont raid with you, I won't. Nor will I raid with anyone who specifically discriminates against other classes on all/all items.
Taevin
Bristlebane
51 Necro
Next trick, go to the item search by zone and pull a couple at random and count up the items available to the dif classes. You will see a 10:1 drop infavor of tanks in many places. In some zones, there is no loot for specific classes. So are they(the excluded ones) out in the cold if they group/raid there? I say no.
Example, if you are on a raid in CoM for the Reavers (all in raid are 45+) and a Wu's trance stick drops, quick monk check (prolly has better already) then it goes to gravy roll - all present roll on item.
Sorry, my post is off topic ... really cool shroud, would love to have one...but, after reading the preceeding post, I finally blew a gasket on this so&so needs it more; even though it is all/all, you will be excluded from any chance of getting it.
You say dont raid with you, I won't. Nor will I raid with anyone who specifically discriminates against other classes on all/all items.
Taevin
Bristlebane
51 Necro
7 posts
Sure, there are other high AC/int back-slot items out there... like the cloak of piety! This should go to melees if it represents a significant haste upgrade, otherwise it's up to people to decide for themselves. Enchanters will want it just for the AC, let alone the +int/mana/hp and saves, and AC is just as important to an enchanter as a few % more haste to a tank.
Still IIRC there's a pure caster item now that also has a permahaste effect so who knows maybe there's a reason for it. And besides if we take a quick look at the item you have to turn in to get the Shroud:
Frakadar's Talisman +5 AC +4 Str +4 Sta +4 Agi +4 Dex +4 Wis +4 Int +4 Cha +4 vsMg +4 vsFire +4 vsCold +4 vsPos +4 vsDis +10 HP +10 Mana
Unless the haste on the Shroud is enourmous (sp) then I can't see why only hybrids should roll on it.
just my 2cp
Frakadar's Talisman +5 AC +4 Str +4 Sta +4 Agi +4 Dex +4 Wis +4 Int +4 Cha +4 vsMg +4 vsFire +4 vsCold +4 vsPos +4 vsDis +10 HP +10 Mana
Unless the haste on the Shroud is enourmous (sp) then I can't see why only hybrids should roll on it.
just my 2cp
#Anonymous,
Posted: Feb 23 2001 at 2:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) it shouldnt matter its a quest item
Anonymous
He might mean the Frakadar's Talisman off Zlandicar.
Its a nice piece for most classes really. 14 ac for the back is great , great for monks at 14ac and 1 weight and 14 chest is ok for classes like druids.
Its a nice piece for most classes really. 14 ac for the back is great , great for monks at 14ac and 1 weight and 14 chest is ok for classes like druids.
Anonymous
Whoever wrote that an item such as this should only goto melee/hybrids is one daft ol' bugger.
Druids only have 1 or 2 other back slot items that come even remotely close to these stats.
There are plenty of haste items out there, what with tanks getting their epics (monks etc) and other incredible haste items dropping, items such as this would improve more upon a healer/casters stats over his/her old cloak/chest than the haste effect would over that of other haste items the tanks can get.
When it comes to the item you must turn in... does it really matter? There are several better neck slot items out there to get. NoS from Drusella beats most things... and Yelinak's Talisman is purely dreamy.
Druids only have 1 or 2 other back slot items that come even remotely close to these stats.
There are plenty of haste items out there, what with tanks getting their epics (monks etc) and other incredible haste items dropping, items such as this would improve more upon a healer/casters stats over his/her old cloak/chest than the haste effect would over that of other haste items the tanks can get.
When it comes to the item you must turn in... does it really matter? There are several better neck slot items out there to get. NoS from Drusella beats most things... and Yelinak's Talisman is purely dreamy.
Anonymous
Druids can wear Lodizal shield on thier back, and use the Orb of the Infinite Void or Tanglewood Shield in shield spot, enough said.
Anonymous
Lodizal Shield is no longer equipable on the back. There are only 2 shields that have not been nerfed yet. Shield of the Silent watch is the one I am familiar with.
49 posts
I have one on my back what the heck are you talking about?
#Anonymous,
Posted: Feb 23 2001 at 7:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh yeah, and casters get hit sooo much they need a gjkd 14ac back slot item! Casters need this like melees need fur lined slippers or something. Use yer freakin head! This item should obviously go to the one getting hit all the time, not the ones that stand and watch, not to mention the haste. How often casters get in and swing?! Only time I see a druid swing a weapon is when the mob is snared and trying to flee in fear of its life, at VERY low health.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Feb 23 2001 at 12:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The above was obviously posted by some melee Char who has never played an Enchanter. When you don't know what you're talking about, it's often best to keep quiet. :(
#Anonymous,
Posted: Apr 03 2001 at 2:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Here is a thought for you melee IDIOTS. There is a cap on haste percent period. The enchanters you group with give you that cap. Yea give every haste item in the game and maybe the warrior doesn't need enchanters anymore. Melee get your damn CoF and leave this for people who need the mana.
#Anonymous,
Posted: May 13 2001 at 12:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 1) It ain't the best back slot haste item in the game. Barely even worthwhile for a non-hybrid tank. Go get your dragon cloak and STFU.
Anonymous
Anyone know the percent haste?
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