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First Brood Talisman  

Lore Item No Trade
Slot: NECK
AC: 15
STR: +5 DEX: +5 STA: +5 CHA: +5 WIS: +5 INT: +5 AGI: +5 HP: +50 MANA: +50 ENDUR: +50
WT: 0.0 Size: TINY
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)

Item Lore:Mark of Veeshan
Item Type:Jewelry
Lucy Entry By:Mavik
Item Updated By:SwiftyMUSE
IC Last Updated:2022-01-10 07:21:07
Page Updated:Thu Oct 9th, 2008

Expansion: Scars of Velious Scars of Velious

Rarity: Rare
Level to Attain: 60

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This item is found on creatures.

Dragon Necropolis
NPC Name

Western Wastes
NPC Name
Harla Dar
Jen Sapara

Zone(s) Found In:

Zone Name
Dragon Necropolis

Uploaded October 20th, 2022 by halfridge
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heh never seen this before
# Aug 22 2007 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
Dropped just now off Jen Sapara in WWL
Toucan Tanksem
of Vallon Zek, Sebilis, Venril Sathir, Antonius Bayle, and now Toukan of Povar
# Oct 24 2003 at 2:29 PM Rating: Default
Is this a quest talisman for ST key or not? That's all that needs to be posted here...

Liveye (lvl 65 Wizard)
RE: key?
# Oct 26 2003 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
30 posts
No, this is not a key. This is a generic loot item. The key items are Zlandicar's Talisman, Klandicar's Talisman, Sontalak's Talisman, Yelinak's Talisman, Lendiniara's Talisman, and Shard of Hsraga's Talisman.
Dropped off Klandi
# Sep 19 2003 at 9:27 PM Rating: Default
This dropped of Klandicar tonite. First time we've seen it drop him since we began killing him several months ago.
I Got It Off Harla Dar
# Jun 25 2003 at 2:22 PM Rating: Default
yea i soloed Harla 5 times, but once i got this talisman, i have a screenshot of me looting it from the Harla Dar corpse. Either its very very very very very rare from harla, or VI made a little mistake in my advantage...anybody know anything about it?
# May 08 2003 at 1:14 PM Rating: Default
When you get your ST key, do you loose the turn-in piece, or is it returned to you as well as the key? Could someone please explain to me how this will work?
RE: Question
# May 08 2003 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
You turn in the talisman and you get the key. You don't get the talisman back.

Here's the quest link:

Edited, Thu May 8 16:17:32 2003
#REDACTED, Posted: Nov 16 2002 at 2:41 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So... hehe, I have to destroy this nice neck piece tonight, because I have no room in my bank, and I just got a sightless velium eye from Sleepers, which has identical stats, almost same saves, and Truesight (which rocks for a human, Ultravision and See Invis together). This really kills me, but away it goes cuz both are nodrop. Poor me.
wouldnt be worn
# Jul 30 2002 at 2:03 PM Rating: Default
nm )

Edited, Tue Jul 30 14:52:23 2002
# May 06 2002 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
119 posts
1)the guild you are in will decide how to handle who get's it.

2)if you don't like the way they do it, talk to them and find out why they do it that way

3)untill you are in a guild that can drop him, you don't know how loot is done, there is a different method for each and every guild there is. some are similar, some are different. live with it, it suits them. get over it.

4)grow up.
#REDACTED, Posted: Oct 27 2002 at 8:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) you forgot-- change guilds if u are a guild troller, the scum.
# Dec 29 2001 at 7:49 AM Rating: Default
I seriously hope any guild capable of going to DN and actually Killing this guy is also capable of distributing the booty without any question of who deserves it, and its hard to imagine it being very questionable IF it would be used.
RE: Random?
# Jul 10 2002 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
People always question who deserves what...

not random, its total merrit item
# Dec 29 2001 at 6:12 AM Rating: Default
this item is not a randomed item, or atleast should NOT be. Talismans from WW of those dragons? thats randomed. This is one hell of a neck item. The fact that it is all/all doesnt mean jack in that. Award items like this through merrit because random is a joke in the high end game, maybe back in the days of lower guk randoms were good but in the high end game if you dont do items by merrit people dont feel proud of themselves, if they dont feel proud they dont play, they dont play you dont kill more mobs. High end items like these should always be handed out as rewards for people. Relying on a lame random number generator in the game engine to determine who loots is basically a terrible leaders way out.
#REDACTED, Posted: Dec 29 2001 at 1:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First and foremost, guys give it a rest! This item gives a hefty bonus to just about every major stat in EQ and usable by every class and race, so it would be equally nice for any member of a guild - it would have to be randomed, period.
drops in WW also
# Oct 11 2001 at 7:32 PM Rating: Excellent
Last weekend we were killing in WW and this item dropped off Mraaka a named wurm. I guarantee he is much easier to kill than Zlandicar. Good Luck everyone. Oh and if you think i am making this up go to and you can see a pic of Mraaka dead and the talisman on it.
# Aug 29 2001 at 4:44 AM Rating: Default
BAH i'd be furious if i was in a guild for over a year and dedicate my entire EQ career to them.. this thing drops it's randomed and some joe schmoe thats been in the guild 3 months wins... you telling me some uber guild will random?! HA either 1) they're dumb 2) they arent that uber to begin with

it's an honor to be given such an item as a token of appreciation for devotion to a guild. not some item to be rolled upon a dice.
Never would be randomed
# Jun 20 2001 at 9:23 AM Rating: Default
This item would never be randomed or the guild that was able to kill zlandicor would suck i am sorry to say. Any guild of this caliber does not use random, but instead has a loot council of some sort, and it is decided who gets to loot it, not randomed. This is the way it should be.
RE: Never would be randomed
# Jun 24 2001 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent

Sorry to burst your bubble, but guilds of this calibur DO random these items. Sure, high guilds do give a lot of items on merit basis, but often times a piece like this would be randomed (whatever). I know for a fact that this would be random, take the guild Ascent on Rodcet Nife. Level 60 guild (must be lvl 60 to even be considered.) They took on the Statue of Rallos Zek in Kael the other day. What did they do with the items he dropped (and severald very nice pieces I might add)? They randommed them, all except one which was given to the only SK or something (it was a one class only no drop item, went to the person by default.) So I don't know what level you are, but guilds of this caliber do random stuff. I'm getting annoyed by all the low people saying that these items are not randomed, because they ARE.

End of rant, nice item, worthy of the challenge :)

Bikkin Flameheart
55 Gnomish Conjurer
RE: Never would be randomed
# Jul 25 2001 at 9:21 AM Rating: Default
78 posts
A month ago or so on Tunare a cleric was awarded, (not won a random for) a white scale from Vox. This wasn't a random process, and was decided by a loot council. (Long story, but he put in his time, and was always vocal about how he wanted the white scale)

You think that'll ever happen again? Probably not.

Every guild taking down 55+ legendary mobs you can cite that do /randoms I'll cite nine that don't. (Moreover, I'm willing to bet the majority of the guilds doing full random taking on these uber mobs will either A) fold after your citing or B) change their loot policies shortly thereafter)

Citing one example is just ludicrous. The majority of guilds that are in position to take down uber mobs do not under any circumstance use random. Random might be a tool, but the majority either A) use a points system which you accumulate based on raids, which may have a /random factor tossed in B) have a loot council or C) have a leader which functions as B.

Very high end guilds tend to go with A, others prefer combos of B and C.

Why is that so? Look at it this way. A guild is an army in the late game. You might have three premier enchanters in your guild. Well, what if those enchanters are wearing ishva robes, you all raid fear, CT drops a robe of inspiration. Do you give it to the wizard who has a carmine or to one of those enchanters?

These aren't people you will never group with again, this is your army, these are the folks that help determine whether you win or lose against a mob. Putting one of those enchanters in an inspiration will future effect your guild while that enchanter is charm crowd controlling in Kael or ToV. Nine times out of ten, no, ninety nine times out of 100, an even reasonable guild will pass on the inspiration to the thing which will sharpen the guild most or the person who needs it the most because that will help shape the guild and insure that it can continue to prosper and take down nastier and nastier mobs.

With that also under consideration, the loot council is going to give the robe to one of the three enchanters. One has been with the guild and has put in 3 hours a day for months on end, and is always willing to raid somewhere or help on epic mobs, another has pretty sporadic hours and sometimes goes a week without playing, and another is new to the guild.

Who do you think the loot council is going to put it to? Do you think they will have the three of them random like it's lower guk? No, the one who helps the guild the most and is most willing to raid the crap mobs to help guildmates out is the one who is going to get it, because, again, this helps the guild as a whole.

That, in a nutshell, is why "uber guilds" are "uber". Because they make smart decisions on who gets what, not only do people who should get the item get it, but it also insures the future success of the guild, thus allowing them to grow more and more, and end the end become even more "uber."

(On a side note, the word uber and it's immense use in EQ lingo has totally destroyed the value of the word =p)
RE: Never would be randomed
# Jun 27 2003 at 1:48 AM Rating: Default
According to the people I know in Ascent, they actually use DKP. They're just uber enough that Kael raid mobs are considered a walk in the park and nobody is willing to spend points getting drops from there, so it gets randomed basically. Think of it as something of warm up and training raids where everyone wants to save their DKP for VT, the planes and so forth.
RE: Never would be randomed
# Nov 28 2003 at 2:01 AM Rating: Default
Good job on replying two years later.
#REDACTED, Posted: Jul 20 2001 at 2:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) dude, youre a moron, that lvl 60 guild are all ******* selfish dorks that get very little done most likely. Killing one dragon a night is not exactly an uber guild which sounds like what this guild does since it takes forever to random ****. UBER guilds will have either a commitee or the guild leader will decide who gets it. This is done so the guild could go on and kill more **** that night, for instance, an UBER guild will go kill CT, will follow with GORE who may i add is a p*ssy and than finish off the night with a little bit of ToV farming and maybe get a named or two in the process. This is the type of guild who will just hand out items as they drop, not ******* random, randoming is stupid and is a waste of time.
#REDACTED, Posted: Jul 01 2001 at 10:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Random Sucks, I wouldn't be caught dead in a guild that would random any high end, uber mob drops.
#Anonymous, Posted: Aug 24 2001 at 3:21 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) /sarcasm
#Anonymous, Posted: Aug 24 2001 at 3:21 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So your saying i should get any loot i want just because im a loser and have 12 to 16hrs + to play everyday?
RE: Never would be randomed
# Dec 30 2001 at 3:15 PM Rating: Default
551 posts
You could play 5 minutes a day and still be a loser...

It's what you DO in that time that determines who get's the loot...

Let's see... Loser has been farming LGuk and ripping off guild mates 16 hours a day and came on a raid with us... Other guy puts in 2 hours a night to help the younger players and help some guildies do their epics and came on the same raid...

/sarcasm on
Oh yah, Mr. Loser's gonna win...
/sarcasm off

Pain Lord Darknyss Grimscale
92 Iksar Crusader of the Greenmist
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 08 2001 at 6:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) all / all
Two Talisman?
# Mar 11 2001 at 1:04 PM Rating: Default
so if Zlandicar drops this he drops TWO talisman? I saw a very high lvl monk with "Zlandicar's Talisman". So either he drops 2 talisman or he doesn't drop this one.
RE: Two Talisman?
# Nov 15 2001 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
zland tali is for st, he also drops 1 other for shroud of dar'brood or something like that
It's a quest item
# Feb 15 2001 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
This is one of the pieces you turn in to get a Key to Sleeper's Tomb
RE: It's a quest item
# Feb 18 2001 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
Nope, not a quest item.. The Zlandicar tailsman dropped the same dragon is the quest item.
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#Anonymous, Posted: Feb 15 2001 at 7:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) drugs are bad, m'kay
#Anonymous, Posted: Feb 17 2001 at 9:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well it is u have to turn in all 5 dragon talismans for sleeper key good luck :)
Not true
# Mar 11 2001 at 5:17 PM Rating: Decent
Not true. You only need to turn in one dragon talisman for a Sleeper's key. However, 5 dragons do indeed drop a talisman that you can use for the quest.
Who Drops?
# Feb 15 2001 at 11:28 AM Rating: Default
Who drops this item? anyone know?
RE: Who Drops?
# Feb 18 2001 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
Item is good for all
# Feb 15 2001 at 8:35 AM Rating: Decent
This item is great for every class. Everyone needs some saves, ac is good for everyone too.
The + to stats is great. It's pretty much a neck version of heiro cloak. Which everyone wants.
Grats to whoever has this.
Agreed this is a very nice item...
# Feb 15 2001 at 4:36 AM Rating: Default
It is a NoS whith attitude. Since I am not sure what exactly drops this, I can't be too judgemental about who might be left out of the roll. I think it might mainly depend on what kind of other drops were falling on the raid... ie if several nice tank/hybrid items had already droped might restrict to casters, if all the casters already got something then restrict to tanks. Heck, I would probably just be happy to get in on the raid.

Tyna 54th elementalist
Nice Item Period
# Feb 14 2001 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
I would /guildremove myself if the random on this item were restricted from *any* class.
#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 08 2001 at 3:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you guild "randoms" for this item....then your guild is probly the type that will never get to the point of taking down the mob that drops this item.
Nice tank item
# Feb 14 2001 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
/em waits for some monk to claim its a monk only item :)
RE: Nice tank item
# Jul 08 2001 at 1:01 AM Rating: Default
64 posts
is the silent fang necklace.. this should go to someone who can use the mana.
RE: Nice tank item
# Feb 14 2001 at 11:13 PM Rating: Decent

This should be a Hybrid item!
RE: Nice tank item
# Feb 15 2001 at 11:27 AM Rating: Default
Aye, its a Ranger Item, we all know it
#Anonymous, Posted: Feb 16 2001 at 8:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hey guess what. It says ALL, ALL. If ya wanna think its for rogues or whatever guess what! ITS NOT. This is a nice item and i would use it any day.
RE: Nice tank item
# Feb 18 2001 at 6:38 PM Rating: Default
bah! this thing sucks. I'd use my split paw necklace over this any day.

Just to be nice I'll trade my split paw necklace for this POS. >:)
dorf cleric item!
# Feb 21 2001 at 3:17 AM Rating: Default
we got 2 tonight and they both became dorf cleric items!!
Gratz 2 the owner
# Feb 14 2001 at 5:24 PM Rating: Default
Well now if this inst going to be one of the most saught after items i dont know what would be.
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