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Cowl of Mortality  
 

Lore Item Quest Item
Slot: HEAD
AC: 16
STA: +9 AGI: +12 HP: +50
SV DISEASE: +15
Haste: +36%
WT: 0.1 Size: MEDIUM
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Slot 2, Type 21 (Special Ornamentation)

Item Type:Armor
Appearance:Chain
Tint:
 
Color (RGB):20, 20, 20
Stackable:No
Merchant Value:54 pp 0 gp 0 sp 0 cp
Tribute:20426
Lucy Entry By:Kerasota
Item Updated By:SwiftyMUSE
Source:Live
IC Last Updated:2022-01-16 11:58:05
Page Updated:Sun Dec 19th, 2010

Expansion: Scars of Velious Scars of Velious


Average Price: 30,000pp Pricing Data...
Rarity: Rare
Level to Attain: 60

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Drops

This item is found on creatures.

Dragon Necropolis
NPC Name
The Fabled Zlandicar
Zlandicar


Quests

This item is used in quests.
Expansion List - Premium only.

Icewell Keep
Quest Name
Custom Plate Helms - Thurgadin

Kael Drakkel
Quest Name
Custom Plate Helms - Kael Drakkel

Skyshrine
Quest Name
Custom Plate Helms - Skyshrine


Zone(s) Found In:


Zone Name
Dragon Necropolis
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dropped zland last night
# Jun 05 2002 at 3:06 PM Rating: Default
Our guild went on a rampage we killed Gore, Klandicar, Zlandicar, and Sontalak all in one night. Only thing decent that dropped was exquisite velium warsword and the cowl of morality. We gave to cowl to one of our monks and it made her very happy. Cowl may not be that great in some peoples minds for Main Tank, but it definately made our monks night!!!!
haste %
# Jun 03 2002 at 12:05 AM Rating: Decent
36%

http://www.magelo.com/eq_item_info.html?num=26025

NOT arguing haste or who should roll
# Jun 01 2002 at 11:23 AM Rating: Default
this is the "Cowl of Mortality".....yet people speak of a "custom *insert piece here*"......how do you customize armor? is it a different drop, a quest, or what? do you get to choose the new graphic, IS there a new graphic, are the stats different?
RE: NOT arguing haste or who should roll
# Jun 09 2002 at 2:10 AM Rating: Default
yeah you can customize this. royal armorer ______ in icewell keep will customize it for you. i'm sure it becomes no drop in the process though. you need to have at least kindly if not better faction with coldain. the guy is at the top of the icewell castle to the left of dains throne room. hail him and find out. stats stay the same. The graphic will be that of any custom helm. You cannot choose the graphic, the reason it is custom is from the unique and varying look for each race wearing it.

Hope that helped.
#REDACTED, Posted: Jun 10 2002 at 7:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Acutally this is 41% haste and it does NOT become nodrop when it is made into a custom cowl of mortality. I know both of these for a fact.
#REDACTED, Posted: Jun 12 2002 at 12:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cowl is 36% Haste - proven and documented, stfu with your 41% haste crap already
Info & Question
# May 22 2002 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
19 posts
Info:
Okay, if you want a good tank for your guild, main tank of course, then you get him good haste along with nearly full ToV armor. If you were a smart guildleader/equpt'r, as I am, you wouldnt worry about AC alone. As levels go there is a CAP (yes children) on AC, therefore you dont need to get your main tank 1700ac and 5200hp buffed at lvl 60. Right now my guilds main tank is at 1350ac 6300hp buffed. He averages 1-2 CHs a mob in ToV (armor farming of course) which is good. Instead of the guy with 5200hp will drop faster than a girls dress on prom night on a bigger mob such as Derakor the Vindicator, Rumblecrush, or Statue of Rallos Zek. AC doesnt always matter, haste and hp matters a lot. Haste to keep your tank with aggro so j00 kleric$ dont drop and hps so your tank doesnt fall in 1-2 rounds of attacks from a mob. Work on hp gear and get a fairly high ac (low 1300s) and GOOD haste (such as this, 41% haste, highest I believe besides PoA belt)

*gasp* Look, STA HP and HASTE on 1 item...thats gewd fewlz...good for tanks, good for melee, good for casters even if they need the hp so they dont drop...cause eventually u fight $hit like in CT that wont hold aggro worth a flying #%@&...

just my 2 cents

Question:
How the hell do you get CCoM (customized version)

Edited, Wed May 22 01:17:23 2002
Most Melee (other than monk) wouldnt want.
# May 07 2002 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
1. Any guild able to kill Zlandicar will most likely have all warriors equiped with a 26+ AC helm
2. Any guild able to kill Zlandicar either uses the Points System or the Loot Council System
3. This item is not that good to any one who can kill zland, other than maybe a Monk.

I have a Custom Crown of the Myrmidon and I would not wear this if it was given to me for Free. Its a monk item,(MAYBE a ranger) anyone who's guild that can kill Zland will have a Head Slot Item much better than this + a 36% or higher haste item.
3-4 people in my guild wear this item, one of the happens to be a Mage, he bought it, and wears it for looks, (hes already reached 255 INT) the rest are all monks, imo its a monk item, thats it.
BTW SoS does not bring you anywhere near the haste cap, you still need a haste item, and for low damage weapons, the dly cap is 12.

60 Warlord of Terris Thule
RE: Most Melee (other than monk) wouldnt want.
# May 08 2002 at 2:25 AM Rating: Decent
Sorry to say this but I almost totally disagree with you on almost all points.

First of all I have seen Zland drop twice and only a small handful of the melee had dragon haste items. The 4 wizards we had with dragon's bane is what dropped him. The melee were there just to build aggro before the slow burns started. The MA then had a RBB which is on the low end of dragon haste items.

The AC is mute, you would likely be dropping a belt to wear this if you wanted it and can make up for it the lost AC on a new belt. Past 1250ac do you see a lot of returns? NO! ANd any guild doing Zland is going to have warriors easily over 1250 ac even with resist items on, most likely over 1400 with buffs. It's all about hp's at that time. I MA some and in spite of another MA warrior in my guild having more AC than I, I am a better MA having almost 1000 more hps than he unbuffed. A 60 warrior would get 104hps from sta and plus hps without even considering AA point skills. It could be 114 more points with a 10% skill in the second AA level.

Would I drop my haste belt, bank the warlord's helm to wear this, get a spider fur belt out of the bank to wear and look for a belt upgrade? Like in Maiden's Eye for example? You bet! I might lose some ac but the HP gain from a different belt and the helm would more than make up for it.

Besides, it's a tradeable item and that means it would likely be passed down when you upgrade. And that +15 disease resist is nothing to sneeze at either even though there are less than a handful of uber mobs that you would need it against, it's still nice.
RE: Most Melee (other than monk) wouldnt want.
# May 16 2002 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
Like to also add, that because you can drop Zland, doesnt mean your WHOLE guild is in the l33test of leet gear they can get. I think a big misconception among a lot of people is how decked out every person in high end guilds are. And also, fail to see how much time is required to get such things. Especailly with large guilds, some numbering 100+ members, anything that drops off a dragon is good enough for someone in the guild. Tack on overcrowding of high end material, if your in it just for the l33t drops, your not going to have much fun. Have no fear, when your finally capable of killing Zlandicar, youll realize that it isnt out of the realm of possibility for a guildy to still need this. May not be up to par for a MA tank, but trust me, it is for the assisters of the tank.
#REDACTED, Posted: Apr 29 2002 at 2:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Edited, Mon Apr 29 03:18:45 2002
customize
# Apr 28 2002 at 8:42 AM Rating: Default
yo, where do you need to go to customize this item?
I'm a necro and I'd use it...
# Apr 08 2002 at 9:56 AM Rating: Decent
I'm on a PVP server and people think I'm insane but I love meleeing vs other casters (especially clerics because they run me OOM out-healing/dispelling dots. I had to pass down my Tola robe after getting my Robe of the Bonecaster so no more 36% haste for me. Plus I'm a conceited ******* and I love the custom plate look on male dark elves. I realize that I should never get this item unless I purchase it, just saying I'd use it if I could get it =P
Learn about high ending
# Apr 06 2002 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
OMG How narrow minded can you be?

First off, bards ARE a must have for ALL dragon raids. If you don't have their aoe resists on, you're gonna lose bodies, period. Unless you're all level 60 with full NToV gear on.

Second, Enchanters are a MUST on raids. Unless you want to spend all your time on your can taking 1 hour per kill/reprep instead of 10 minutes.

Third, Shammies are a MUST on raids cause your chanters cant crack, haste, mez AND slow, not enough mana.

Fourth, Necros are a MUST on any dangerous raid vs. 55+ mobs. Why? Well, if you want your corpse back after it's been summoned by Velk, then you better have a necro handy. Also, 4 clerics + 4 necros = endless CH cycle.

Fifth, rogues are a MUST on certain raids, can't get where you want to go without em opening doors and disarming traps.

Sixth, Monks/sks are a MUST on multimob raids, even with two enchanters you need fd pulls in certain areas.

Seventh, Rangers are a MUST on raids, cause someone MUST die =P. Oh wait, we have enchanters already.

Frankly Falamil, I can't see your guild doing Vindi if they have the same attitude you do. Learn about high end raids, THEN post here.

High end raids are about teamwork, period. All classes are needed as each has special abilities to contribute. Saying certain classes arent needed just shows noobism. Btw, arena isn't a high end raid, not even close. We do arena with one group, not even full sometimes. And no, we're not all 60. One Tank, cleric, shammy, chanter and two damage dealers can own the arena.
#REDACTED, Posted: Aug 05 2002 at 6:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Druids are Completely useless!
RE: Learn about high ending
# Sep 02 2002 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
sorry have to school you here, group druid with clerics to heal them after rodding.
RE: Learn about high ending
# Jul 03 2002 at 11:17 AM Rating: Excellent
45 posts
While I agree completely with the spirit of your post, I must tell you, you left out a very very important class for high end raids, Paladins. Speaking from personal experience, killing Vindi many times, and spanking W and N Tov many times, our grp cleric is assigend to the Complete Heal loop for the MT, I am assigend the Group 600 point heal for my grp. I can heal my grp for 3100HP each of all six of us, to counteract the AE's that leak through our resist gear, spells and songs. 58+pally does this job in the grp, while meleeing. Lay Hands is also targeted on Main Tank. Everyone stays alive to do their job, we all win.

I certainly agree with what you said, but feel you left out an important class.
Bards are for what?
# Apr 02 2002 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
"Warriors Clerics and Wizards are the only really MUST HAVE for raids.. i don't see my guild or anyone else sayin... oh we don't have enough bards we can't go kill Vindy.

bards are for DS and mana song"



BWAHAHAHA! Is this all you use bards for on raids?
RE: Bards are for what?
# Apr 03 2002 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
/agree all tho a bard can do a lot more than that, in fact there isnt a lot they cant do
silly people
# Mar 07 2002 at 9:56 AM Rating: Default
why you always have to discuss here who gets to have an item? i mean this item clearly says All All.
All people that go to a raid, should have a fair chance at any item they can use.

And who would benefit from this item the most?...the people who wanted it!
RE: silly people
# Mar 18 2002 at 6:13 PM Rating: Good
okay, lets analize this for a second.

1) this drops a lvl 65 dragon in DN
2) takes a guildraid in order to kill him

this being said the great majority of guild will do one of 2 things. it'll be awarded by an officer to whoever they feel it would benefit the most (or in some cases themselves) or people would bid on it via pointsystem

the chances that a caster would be awarded this item is slim to none.

a) it's dragon haste
b) it's head slot
c) has exceptionally good ac
d) has hp/sta

most melee don't have equivelent haste items unless they've been awarded similar item from anouther dragon raid. the great majority of melee have fbss/sdb/sbc/rbg etc.

if your guild does the point system, then a caster might possibly win. although if they do they would be doing a HUGE disservice to their guild. what would the guild benefit from having a haste item rot on a caster. how would the guild be any closer or anybetter at killing aary or vyemm in NTOV. true 1 item doesn't make all the difference but point still stands.

personally i'm of the oppinion that i'm tired of flames of who should get what... if an item is all/all then whatever class is most suited should get. just cause this is all / all doesn't mean a monk should get. who knows maybe it would be a bigger upgrade for a ranger thus benefit'g the guild more.

okay i'll get off my soapbox now

Edited, Mon Mar 18 18:16:32 2002
#REDACTED, Posted: Feb 25 2002 at 12:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) seriously.I dont see what's wrong with giving this helm to enchanter. Chances are
RE: hmm
# Mar 15 2002 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
What do you think if a mellee won a roll on an item with +10 int +10 char by example ?

RE: hmm
# May 06 2002 at 3:35 AM Rating: Default
GOD I want an AoN, I wanna be a skellY monk! :D you know,, just fer ***** n gigglez )



/rude /etc/etc /bye


/unknowing shrug
RE: hmm
# Mar 11 2002 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
Giving this item to an enchanter would be a great disservice to your guild. You are a ****** if you generalize to say most melee has better haste than this. It's the same haste as Cloak of flames.
It has extremely good melee stats with pretty reasonable ac. On top of the uber haste on it.
Unless you can get your hands on a bracelet of speed or something along those lines, you are going to sacrifice some ac for haste. Regardless of what slot there is always a reasonably attainable and much higher ac option.

Biz
RE: hmm
# Mar 03 2002 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
1: melee already have better haste
2: melee already have better ac/hp on a helm
3: enchanter already have 250+ int.

Hmm.
1: Haste is the major plus to this item, because it frees up a haste slot elsewhere on your body. Its totally wasted on an enchanter. Most melee have Equivalent haste, not better.
2: True, BUT if this item frees up a haste slot (like the back with a cloak of flames or belt with a Rune bolstered belt) then that slot can be replaced with a high AC item. Most melees are going to need a haste item somewhere, and haste items are notoriously low on AC.
3: True, but... why not give a chanter a head slot with +mana on it or something?
#REDACTED, Posted: Feb 24 2002 at 7:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 99% of the people posting on this item are probably level 45 or less, won't be seeing the real Zlandicar anytime soon, and yet they feel obligated to discuss an item they know nothing about.
RE: so many idiots post on these boards
# Aug 11 2003 at 2:35 AM Rating: Decent
Just a quick thing to add about casters not being able to melee,

Friend was sending me tells about an incredible group he was in, in which the CLERIC of all classes was SA. Anyone from Morell Thule has probably heard of Fury's Edge, and yes, he was a Fury's Edge cleric, but the point still stands. He was tanking PoStorm mobs, and hitting for considerable damage, while maintaining his mana pool (I'm sure the FT 15 had something to do with it) now i'm sure this is hardly an every day occurence, and probably should not be tried at home kids, but to say pure caster should NEVER melee past 20 is a huge disservice to casters who know there's more to the game than sittin on their butts and casting spells.
RE: so many idiots post on these boards
# Apr 28 2002 at 9:41 PM Rating: Decent
Wow Xebantiz kinda Nasty
Yes a lot of the morons that post here don't know what they are talking about. However one does not have to be above level 40 to understand what class needs what. You left Rangers off your list, Why I am not sure but for the head slot it is actually more practical for classes that have less AC usually in this slot to use this Item. Namely Monk, Beastlord or Ranger. Woulds be way too much of an AC loss for a Warrior or a Knight of the appropriate level to raid for this.
RE: so many idiots post on these boards
# Mar 19 2002 at 6:34 PM Rating: Default
Yes Xienwolf, when I said pure casters had no business meleeing after 20 I was not referring to shamans, shamans actually melee rather well for a caster.
RE: so many idiots post on these boards
# Mar 06 2002 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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110 posts
While in full agreement that I should not melee as a caster (Shaman) after 55 (but am not there yet, so unsure of how true it will be), you are incorrect in yelling that casters should not melee after 20.

Up to level 40 I was able to melee in groups when a healer was present and I had hit FM after slows. Currently at 48 melee is my primary strategy when I solo, as it means less downtime by the end of the fight (mana for heals ~ 1 bubb in hard fight. mana for nukes AND heals on pet ~ 3 bubbs by end of same fight). I do not think you should be giving haste items out to casters just so they can solo better, and think any caster with a haste item should and will put it on a freind or alt (notice how few posts say casters should get an item when it is NO DROP?)

I do however pull the silver chitin handwraps off my alt when I think I am going to be soloing a lot on my main, and if I happen to group I lend them to my friends for the fight if they lack haste items (yes, some people over 45 really don't have haste yet! get over it)

So, post 20, you WILL see casters in melee when they are solo. Post 20 you will rarely see any caster but the shaman melee (face it, our spells BITE up till about 34 if in a heavy melee group, all depend on the mob lasting for a while... and they don't). After 34, the shaman will generally have the pet in battle for him, but if heals are covered, and he has enough regen to canni up after the slows and debuffs to full, then what better to do than melee?

(all that said, I realize that people normally only think of Clerics, Druids and INT casters when saying pure caster.)
Who Gets This Item?
# Jan 15 2002 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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72 posts
This item can only be acquired by a raid, which almost certainly means a guild-sponsored event. Guilds have rules about who gets what loot. The odds are good that the person who gets this item would have already been determined before the raid started or at the very beginning of the raid at the latest. An open roll for this item would be out of the question in 99% of the guilds out there, unless they were so uber that nobody needed this item and it was treated as cash loot. Most guilds would allot this item to somebody based on NBG (need before greed) and merit (what you have done for the guild). Some might use a point system. In the case of NBG, monks have a slight edge over other classes, but probably not enough of one to make this automatically go to a monk. In the case of a point system, monks tend to make out like bandits when something like this comes along because it is so rare for an item monks can use to drop on a raid. This results in monks accumulating many more points than other classes. A point system is a real eye-opener for people who rant about the phrase "monk item". It puts cold, hard numbers in front of their face that they can't ignore.

If your guild is so extremely uber that this is considered open-roll loot, then by all means, let a caster wear the customized version of it for the look. Most guilds will treasure an item like this and award it to someone that can use it to the betterment of the guild. Our guild of 100+ (maybe 40 of whom are active regularly) people, averaging about level 58 has only one of these. It is on a monk that acquired it helping out an uber guild (we have REALLY good monks in our guild).

Let's break it down by class in terms of who would probably get a shot at it. Obviously, this item would probably go to a melee type because of the haste. Out of the melee types, bards would be last choice because they have a lot more to worry about on a raid than slugging it out with a monster. Warriors would have a good shot at this item because it would help them to keep aggro. Haste items are nice for that. Someone mentioned the warrior Plane of Sky item that gives better haste. That item takes a long, long time to get and is not grounds for putting warriors out of the competition for a cowl. Rogues would almost certainly have their epic by this time or be very close to it. Rogue epic haste and cowl of mortality haste do not stack, so that would count out rogues. Rangers, shadowknights, paladins, and monks would get a shot at it to increase the amount of damage they do. Of these four classes, monks do the most damage, which gives them a slight edge in being awarded this item. This item on a monk would produce more extra damage than on the other three classes, but this would probably not be enough to make it a "monk item" as stated earlier.

RE: Who Gets This Item?
# Feb 14 2002 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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62 posts
On my server, at the time I made the below post, the guilds that hunted Zlandicar pretty much WERE that "uber". The guild I was in for example had all melee with haste around that level or near to it, or had head gear they wouldnt sacrifice for the haste.
A warlord's point of view....
# Nov 27 2001 at 11:14 AM Rating: Default
Nice hat.

This isnt an item I would wear, however. My myrmidon crown has so much more AC its almost painful, and only a little less for hps. Were I to ask for a haste item from Zlan I'd go with the Fak symbol and do the quest for the shroud of the dar brood (which from all I have heard is 41% haste anyway).

This WOULD make a very good twink item, and not too bad for monks AT ALL! Were I a monk I'd take this over a CoF or a Rak cloak ANY day! There may be higher AC hats out there for monks (but NOT by much until you start clearing N ToV named), but this is very nice, and adds a LOT of hps! Not sure how it works for monks, but at 60 this warrior gets an extra 6 hps per point of stam....you do the math! As a monk I'd not sneeze at 12 agi either!

But....in all honesty I think VI put this on Zland as caster candy! Its a solid item, tradeable, and borderline as far as whether its an upgrade for melee on the raid or not....screams open lotto to me! Maybe thats why I see em so often for sale in N FP (Mith Marr uses that rather than E Comm as bazaar zone, thank the gods!!). Gods know there isnt much else on Zland for casters....talismans are nice melee upgrades, and Zlandicar heart is always defaulted to a necro or used for Neb's Warbone/ST key quest.

Just my opinion for what its worth.
RE: A warlord's point of view....
# Dec 26 2001 at 7:05 PM Rating: Decent
Sorry it is not 41% haste. parsed at 36% by many many many people. also for the guy saying it is usless in a raid because SoS takes you over max haste..... Do you know what vission of Granduer is? Most good guilds will be buffed with vission of granduer for haste not SoS. =) VoG will still take you to max haste .... when u get it. Often in raids you will find you dont have haste do to the sure volume of people and the few chanters cant keep up. it is a nice item and if you say it is useless in a raid because of SoS .... All haste items are useless in raid situation cause SoS gets you close enough to cap so all of you give me your Cofs, RBB, RBG, and epics with haste they are useless.
RE: A warlord's point of view....
# Feb 18 2002 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
You really should read his post first before responding. The 41% he talked about was towards the Shroud of the Dar Brood, and not toward the cowl of mortality. Also he brought up SoS because a guild capable of getting this item, ie killing Zlandicar, probably has a few epic enchanters, and so SoS is not a problem. In summary, please read, think, and proof-read before responding.
Useless in raid
# Nov 27 2001 at 1:17 AM Rating: Default
Hmmm... Why is everyone flamin this item? if you ever realized and actually payed attention the only thing this is good for is soloing... except for a monk cause monks dont have many helms with more then 10ac... almost pointless for raiding though seeings how if you are high lvl all you need is SoS (speed of shissar from chanter epic) which is the best haste in the game casted and is a nice agi buff and puts haste at max or atleast like 5% from max....

Sebkorle Strongfist
51 Monk of Morrel-Thule
Yes our server is down the most by far :P
RE: Useless in raid
# Nov 27 2001 at 6:00 PM Rating: Excellent
47 posts
A) SoS is not the best chanter haste, they have one that is marginally better. You seldom see it because SoS is free from their snake stick.

B) Post 50 your haste cap is ~100%

C) Even pre-50 haste cap is 81% which is a good 16% higher than SoS alone.

D) Haste items stack with haste spells. Any monk worth his salt (ie: not a druid who powerleveled himself) has the biggest baddest haste item he can find. This thing is in the class of haste items just below the ultimate item haste of 41% There's a reason CoF/CoCW/This costs so much. It sure isnt for twink gear. The 3 big classes of haste are 41% (The best possible. eg: Golden Sash of Tranquility) 36% (often called dragon haste, eg: Cloak of Flames) and 21% (Normal haste, eg: FBSS). However there are haste items that dont have these percentages, just these are the three percentages that the vast majority of haste items have.

E) I can think of about 3 monk helms with this much ac or more. The only concern I would have with wearing this is giving up all the resists you would have to.

Conclusions:

Fantastic monk helm. The only downside is the resists. If it was 15 MR instead of DR everyone would want one without question.
#REDACTED, Posted: Nov 27 2001 at 10:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Are you really THAT dumb? if you have ever been in ANY math class and realized that Haste is how fast you attack or do things not how much dmg you do, so if you had over 100% haste you wouldnt attack at all because you would have negative atk speed which would impossible cause the lowest atk speed you can have is 1 because the game does not register anything below 1. and if you paid attention SoS is bout 75% haste, yes its better than aanya's quickening. you can even test it out, take a lvl 1 warrior and atk some one that can riposte and keel joo cause your a moron and most likely you will and then see how many times you atk in 1 minute and then get somone to cast aanyas on you and see how many times you atk in 1 minute then, and then after that have somone cast SoS on you and see how many times you atk in 1 minute, and if you would ever notice since your dmg cannot get over 21 dmg at lvl 1 to 9 and use your fist if you think the haste will make you do more dmg. And max haste is about 80% seeings how if you had 90% haste even with a 100dly weapon you would atk atleast once every second and so if you had a 20dly weapon you would atk atleast 5 times a second, and its based on a ratio its really easy to understand if you got passed algebra or even math A for that matter.
RE: Useless in raid
# Dec 04 2001 at 6:56 AM Rating: Excellent
Actually no, 100% haste does not mean you have your delay is directly reduced by 100%, giving you an effective delay of 0. 100% haste means your number of attacks is increased by 100%; that is to say, you attack twice as often, effectively halving your delay. 50% delay, in the same vein, means you will attack 1.5 times as often as you would without a haste item.

Try not to flame people when you don't know what you're talking about =) also, Yelinak's Talisman is the other item in the game that gives 41% haste, for those interested (but it's part of the Sleeper's Tomb key quest, so don't get too attached).

- R
RE: Useless in raid
# Dec 07 2001 at 10:41 AM Rating: Excellent
You are absolutely correct! 100% haste would mean that you attack twice as fast. There is a speed cap on weapons and no matter if you had 1000% haste, it you would still attack no faster than the weapon speed cap. There is also another cap on haste which is said to be 81% under level 50 and around 100% at level 50 or above. So the balance is between the weapon speed cap and the actual haste cap with the weapon speed cap being the ultimate low that your delay can be on any given item.

So, lets say the weapon (melee cap if you are a monk using hand-to-hand) speed cap of 10, then no matter what, the fastest delay would be 10 no matter how much haste you could possibly get.

Example 1 - Lets say you have a weapon with a delay of 100, and lets assume that the weapon speed cap is 10 and the max haste speed is 85%. What would be the lowest possible delay on your weapon?

a) ~8
b) ~10
c) ~15
d) ~54
e) None of the above

If you said 'a' was your answer, you would be wrong because the weapon speed cap is 10.

If you said 'b' was your answer, you would be wrong. The flaw in most people logic is in assuming that the realionship in the numbers between Delay and Haste are one-to-one. You have to find the relationship between speed, attacks, and delay and set up the proper ratio. This is the first law of math. Your mistake is like adding 3cm to 1ft and saying that the total is 4cm or 4ft. You have to convert the units.

If you said 'c' was your answer, you would be wrong. We are talking about hitting 85% faster and not reducing delay by 85%. There is a difference. Being hasted means you go faster. Specifically, you attack faster. There is a relationsip between haste and delay, but it is not a one-to-one even relationship.

If you said 'd' was your answer, you are correct. What is 100 delay actually? What does haste mean? What is the units for 100 delay? Think about this: A 30% discount means the price is lower by 30%, right? So if something cost a dollar and you had a 30% discount then it would cost $.70. 30% more means that if you had 100 jellybeans and got 30% more you would have 130 jellybeans, right? Likewise, a 100% discount would then be free, but a 100% raise in price would mean that it now costs twice as much.

So in this scenario, you have to do the math in two parts and remember which direction we are going; more or less. Haste refers to more (quickly, attacks, etc.) and not less, but there is a relationship with haste and delay. You have to set up ratios to illustrate this relationship properly and to keep the units straight.

You get one attack every 100 segments, a ratio of 1:100. If you are hasted 85% then you get 85% MORE attacks which would be 1.85 attacks every 100 segments, or a ratio of 1.85:100. (Do not confuse the 85% haste (faster) with a 85% less delay (discount). Remember that you are 85% faster and not reducing delay by 85%. There is a difference as I illustrated above.) Now we have a ratio of attacks per 100 delay. To find the actual delay for 1 attack at this new speed, you compare the ratio and do the calculation like this:

1.85 attack(s)/100 delay = 1 attack/X delay

(where X is the delay we are trying to determine.) Solve this by the old cross multiplication method you learned in math a long time ago.

If you do the calculation you get 54.05 segments. So this would be the correct answer.

Damage can be looked at similarly. If you have a weapon that is 25 damage and 30 delay and are hasted 85%, what would be the new adjusted damage to delay on the weapon. Again, lets look at the math:

1.85 attack(s)/30 delay = 1 attack/X delay

X = 16.21621... or ~16 delay

so,

25 damage/30 delay becomes 25 damage/~16 delay when hasted 85%.

85% more damage would be calculated similarly

25 damage + (25 x 85%) damage/30 delay = 46.25 damage/30 delay

So since the actual damage of the weapon does not change and is constant but the speed does change,

46.25 damage/30 delay = 25 damage/X delay

X = 16.21621... or ~16 is the new delay of the weapon due to haste.

This is how you are supposed to calculate the Haste on items and its relationship to damage and delay.

41% haste on a 11 damage 18 delay weapon changes the effective damage and delay on the item to 11 damage ~13 delay (12.765957...).

Class is over and you may all be excused.

Edited, Fri Dec 7 11:06:05 2001
RE: Useless in raid
# Jan 03 2002 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
WoW, thanks, finally settled argument between myself ( who figured like you did) and a Ranger friend of mine. RANGER DOWN! And if I had 100k and someone was selling, you better know I'd try it. But as it stands Im about broke and will stick with my SoDB

Mangurabok Woklok
51 Ogre Champion
Torv.
RE: Useless in raid
# Apr 12 2002 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
There is no minimum delay on weapons, just a max haste cap. Minimum delay on weapons is a oft-toted rumor. Parse some hasted logs yourself. You will yourself attacking more than once per second (i.e. with a wpn dly of less than 10)
#Anonymous, Posted: Dec 04 2001 at 3:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If so then why does castersrealm say that the haste cap is at about 85, try and answer this question bet youll get it wrong oP
RE: Useless in raid
# Nov 27 2001 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
ROFLMAO
Useless in a raid?!?!?!

And you call yourself a monk.
SoS gets you no where near the haste cap by itself. SoS is 66% haste. BUT with this helm of 36% haste and SoS of 66% haste, you're at 102% which is 3% from haste cap.

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57 monk Ayonae-ro
doh
# Nov 09 2001 at 3:21 AM Rating: Decent
what really sucks is that this is the only buyable item for the classes who can't get custom helms to get the custom helm look. definitely melee stats, so it sucks that casters have to buy this if they wanna have the custom helm look.

=(
RE: doh
# Jan 18 2002 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
HAHAHAHAHA!!!

You'd waste one of these on a caster for the LOOK?!?!?!?!?

If someone gave you the Hope Diamond would you use it as a paperweight?

Now I admit I'm only a piddly level 51 monk with an FBSS but I'd wear this thing on my head if it looked like a ****.

Geeze. It's HASTE!!!! Insta BIG damage increase. As far as I'm concerned that's more important then armor, stats, and most definately more important then look.
RE: doh
# Mar 04 2002 at 5:50 PM Rating: Excellent
Looks = what EQ is all about... if everyone wore silk armour-looks but they were actually wearing the most l33t armour then noone would be going "wow" cos they wouldnt even know that that person had killed that amazing dragon or whatever. Most people like to wear the stuff that makes them look the best, no matter what really, and a custom look helm for casters (especially enchanerts in full golden efreeti) is like the ultimate achievement... Many guilds on my server (saryrn) have even given their custom crowns to druids which is arguably "worse" than giving it to pure casters even, depending on if youre the lucky druid or not ;) So just dont try to be cool and always show your opinion on stuff cos some people play EQ for looks while others are powergamers and just want to have the best armour and weapons even if it does make them look like the the world's biggest gimps... Im somewhere in the middle and am happy there and will *ofcourse* wait my turn on super cool gear like this as i would only really be getting it for the looks (you can get similar AC from other not-so-uber equipment). Monks will ofcourse get this before me if they dont have CoF like some of ours have and so will the rest of the melee that just cant do without the helm... This is just another opinion too but at least im trying to prove a point rather than just ***** at someone else posting something that you didnt even have to regard in the first place.

RE: doh
# Jun 17 2002 at 8:32 PM Rating: Decent
"Looks = what EQ is all about..."

Explane the Pink helm that drops in Umbral now, I wear one, looks like crap, but the stats are awsome.
RE: doh
# Oct 15 2002 at 6:49 PM Rating: Default
Go williamm!! :D I wear this, custom of course...

Grendon, Veteran Ogre Warlord, Bristlebane Server.
dragon haste?
# Oct 30 2001 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
plz dp not flame me or anything, but i fail to grasp the concept of dragon haste as opposed to regular haste. could sum1 plz fill me in on this
RE: dragon haste?
# Nov 07 2001 at 10:18 PM Rating: Decent
dragon haste means a haste item dropped from a dragon type mob..

eg RBB, rakusha cloak, etc etc..

Dragon haste items tend to have much higher (40%ish) hastes, where as regular haste items are 20ish.

Ach
<The Regulators>
RE: dragon haste?
# Nov 01 2001 at 5:21 PM Rating: Decent
26 posts
Haste is haste, the only difference is in the %haste on the item. I don't know, but he might be using the term "dragon haste" to refer to a very good haste item ( dropped off a dragon, or standard gear for fighting a dragon ). /shrug
#REDACTED, Posted: Oct 30 2001 at 5:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I want one...
Pure comedy
# Sep 25 2001 at 9:25 AM Rating: Default
OK couple things here, 58 monk on Tarew Marr with real "good" gear not great. I do have dragon haste (rakusha cloak) and end tunic for a monk (Ancient Wyvern Hide). I have crap for bracers ;( I am 1100 AC unbuffed and get to about 1210 or so full buffed with epics running. To the so called 60 warrior who said that this cowl does not stack with monk epic fists, you are a moron and should be ashamed to be level 60, unless of course you bought your account, which would explain it. Epic fists, more accurately Celestial Tranquility is a SONG, meaning that it stacks with ITEM haste, I.E. COF, FBSS etc. With dragon haste and epics running I am at 76% self haste (36% + 40% from epic SONG for you folks that are mathematically challenged). Recently our epic SONG had some of the stacking issues fixed so that spells such as VoG and Shissar's HASTE overwrites our epic SONG, but allows the 54 or so Attack and 12 or so AC that our song provides to still "stack" so to speak with our other buffs. This item mainly is warranted to monks because it allows us to upgrade other slots (waist/back) over our current haste which nets us more AC/HPS .. and in the high end game, which most of you obviously have NO CLUE about, your group does not get exp or phat l3wtz when the monk pulling said mob does not make it back to camp. The other reason being their are FEW, if any, head slot items that can be considered better than this for a monk based on the combination of AC/HP/Haste, outside of Tormax, Dain etc .. whose helms generally get merited to warriors, because they are best in game items. To give you an idea, I would increase my current stats by approximately 20 str, 25 sta, 20 agi, 10 dex and about a total of 300 hps given this cowl and replacing my rakusha cloak with a cloak of the fearsome or something similar (falling stars?). I challenge any other class to possibly benefit more. Rogues can make a case for the helm .. but their epic is ITEM haste .. which overwrites the haste on the cowl anyway .. so all in all it is purely a stat piece which rogues can get better. And to the enchanter that said you should get his helm ... LMFAO .. one of the funniest things I have read on here .. EVER. If your guild melee does not all have max haste at raids when fighting mobs like Sont, Yel, Kland etc ... you lose 9-10 times because you simply do not do enough damage to kill the mob before your clerics are OOM and your MT dead. So stick to sieving and speeding, and tossing C2 to the wizzy's and clerics k?

Thanks
Fej
RE: Pure comedy
# Feb 03 2002 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
Fej, you are an arrogant SoB man... "Power Gamers" are great and all, when they pass on useful info for the rest of us. But you are the product of an over-inflated ego. I personally find it funny to read these really, really long posts about what items should go to whom... Sure there are merits to giving certain items to certain classes, but it's not a hardline rule for loot to be distributed the way certain arrogant (whiny) ******** like yourself, say it should be done.

You are exactly right, there a lot of folks who are clueless when it comes to "end-game" fights, but I'm not sure I want to be there, if it is populated with ******** like you.

HJ
44 Warrior
"Teetering on the edge of a corpse run"
?????
# Sep 04 2001 at 12:46 PM Rating: Default
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170 posts
Any melee outside monk who has a helm worse than 16 AC by the time they are fighting Zlandicar oughta be spanked. Velious helms + haste cloak/belt = smarter idea.
Monk Haste
# Sep 04 2001 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
Just for everyone info who dont know alot about monks not trying to call you all stupid becuase lets face it if you havent played a monk your not going to research monk items/haste/tatics the monks epic CF stacks with haste items becuase it is a song effect it will not stack with bards songs but will tsack with "item" haste so this item and CF will stack not saying this is just a monk item just letting you know
who even rolls?
# Sep 01 2001 at 9:27 PM Rating: Default
Heh, the funniest thing I find about the posts on items like this is the great debate of who should get to roll on it. Roll? LOL, dont' know about all of your servers, but the people that kill uber mobs on Cazic Thule never roll. The leaders decide who gets what and that is that. Those that cry they want to roll on items get left at home. No one wants greed around.


Tal
hehe
# Aug 21 2001 at 7:17 PM Rating: Default
cool item--- one hell of a monk item adds agi and hps plus a massive amount of ac... sweet...
#REDACTED, Posted: Aug 06 2001 at 2:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ***** that crap ...if you dont win the roll..you dont get it..plain and simple..and that need crap..how do you as a different play..know that the one that "needs" the item doesnt have a better one in the bank...roll on
#Anonymous, Posted: Sep 21 2001 at 5:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Eh?
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