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Swiftcleave, the Flesh Carver  
 

LORE ITEM NO TRADE PLACEABLE
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 19
DMG: 31 Dmg Bonus: 31 AC: 50
This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
STR: +25 DEX: +20 STA: +25 WIS: +20 INT: +20 HP: +310 MANA: +300 ENDUR: +300
SV FIRE: +20 SV DISEASE: +20 SV COLD: +20 SV POISON: +25
Required level of 70.
Effect: Chaotic Strike V (Combat, Casting Time: Instant)
WT: 2.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: WAR RNG BRD ROG
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 8 (General: Raid)
Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)

Item Lore:Lightweight, it swings with unnatural speed
Item Type:1H Slashing
Stackable:No
Lucy Entry By:Kaidman - Assent
Item Updated By:SwiftyMUSE
Source:Live
IC Last Updated:2021-12-26 04:49:24
Page Updated:Thu Oct 9th, 2008

*This item is the result of a raid event.
Expansion: Depths of Darkhollow Depths of Darkhollow


Rarity: Common
Level to Attain: 70

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This item is the result of a quest.
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Quest Name
Demiplane Tier 1: Hatchet the Torturer

Drops

This item is found on creatures.

Dreadspire Keep: Demi-Plane of Blood
NPC Name
a rugged iron chest



Zone(s) Found In:


Zone Name
Dreadspire Keep: Demi-Plane of Blood

Item Lore: Lightweight, it swings with unnatural speed
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Slippery Attacks
# May 25 2008 at 12:43 AM Rating: Default
Slippery Attacks -- This ability makes it more difficult for opponents to reposte your offhand attacks. Each rank increases the chance that your opponent will fail to reposte by 20%.

If I were to duel wield and eat rage with a trophy or cup in the primary, I would not take any extra damage. I do it all the time on raids. Now I can't say for sure if Slippery Attacks is a strike thru, but I do know I get a strike thru message when Slippery Attacks triggers. However, if it is just a strike than the claim that strike thru doesn't avoid damage is false.

Since Slippery Attacks cancels reposte there is no reason not to use fast weapons in secondary. Fast weapons are great. With Sinister Strikes you get some damage bonus. I haven't gone into it myself but there is claim that damage bonus is 1/3rd the delay of the weapon.

I can tell you right now without even looking that 2.0 in primary and swiftcleave will out dps and out aggro the BBoB and 2.0. The BBoB is primary hand only. Because of this the better weapon (2.0) ends up in secondary. The ratio of Swiftcleave is far better than BBoB. So much so that the much envied Anger proc doesn't matter.

Edited, May 25th 2008 4:44am by basicxp
Slippery Attacks
# Feb 05 2009 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
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I believe the consensus on the WAR community on the "BBOB vs Swiftcleave" topic is that Swiftcleave will produce gradual steady aggro, while the Brutish Blade Of Balance will produce HUGE amounts of hate on a sporadic basis.

Are you a tank by the way, Basicxp? Your post sounds like you're premising everything on how aggro works by dps alone.

Also, there is a problem with your theory on placing your 2.0 in the primary hand slot and Swiftcleave in the other, as this method will reduce overall swing speed. Therefore you will ultimately lose dps anyway.

Edited, Feb 5th 2009 12:09pm by Braikkarrii
bbob/2.0 or 2.0/swiftcleave
# Oct 27 2007 at 2:51 AM Rating: Decent
Been seeing many tanks use this in secondary with their 2.0 in primary. I was told it's so they don't get riposted as much while tanking. I can see the reason for it, but really...if your going to offhand a 19dly weapon why not just stick with the bbob/2.0 instead of the 2.0/swiftcleave?
bbob/2.0 or 2.0/swiftcleave
# Nov 29 2007 at 9:03 AM Rating: Decent
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If WARs are going to dual this with their epic, they should at least make sure that their strikethrough is maxxed to avoid those awful ripostes.

I think BBOB is a much much better tanking weapon than Swiftcleave; shielding, slightly higher delay (less ripostes makes a whole lot of difference), higher damage, more ac, and the proc produces much more aggro.

Swiftcleave is somewhat of a downgrade now that I think about it.
bbob/2.0 or 2.0/swiftcleave
# Jan 11 2008 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
One: Strikethrough has nothing to do with avoiding ripostes, it just allows you to bypass defenses.

Two: As the poster stated warriors are using this in their offhand where with AA they get 0 ripostes.

Seems like a nice dps/aggro weapon not sure on comparison to bbob in offhand.
bbob/2.0 or 2.0/swiftcleave
# Jan 15 2008 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
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One: Strikethrough has nothing to do with avoiding ripostes, it just allows you to bypass defenses.
Isn't this implied in my earlier statement, my patronizing replier?

Two: As the poster stated warriors are using this in their offhand where with AA they get 0 ripostes.
Why would a WAR want to use this in their offhand slot? Usually we have our main aggro weapons set in the primary.


Seems like a nice dps/aggro weapon not sure on comparison to bbob in offhand.
BBOB in the offhand? Thanks for the lulz!

Edited, Jan 15th 2008 11:27am by Braikkarrii
bbob/2.0 or 2.0/swiftcleave
# Jan 17 2008 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
Braikkarrii wrote:
One: Strikethrough has nothing to do with avoiding ripostes, it just allows you to bypass defenses.
Isn't this implied in my earlier statement, my patronizing replier?

K, sec. You said:
Braikkarrii wrote:
If WARs are going to dual this with their epic, they should at least make sure that their strikethrough is maxxed to avoid those awful ripostes."

So no, it's not implied. Strikethrough lets you hit through ripostes, but you still take the damage from the riposte. It does nothing to reduce your damage intake, it only maintains damage output through defensive abilities.

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Two: As the poster stated warriors are using this in their offhand where with AA they get 0 ripostes.
Why would a WAR want to use this in their offhand slot? Usually we have our main aggro weapons set in the primary.

It's largely a matter of preference as to which hand, and also the mob you are fighting. Many prefer to offhand it to avoid the ripostes. Others prefere to mainhand it, where it has better overall aggro generation.

It is not an aggro upgrade (rather, it's a sidegrade) to the Brutish Blade; they are very close in aggro generation, the main difference being that the Swiftcleave has a more gradual increase vs the big jumps from the proc on the BBoB.
bbob/2.0 or 2.0/swiftcleave
# Oct 28 2007 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
i'm not a warrior nor tank, but it's a lot of better stats, and not to mention BBoB is ridiculously rare from tacvi, this is more common i think :P
To Tanks or not to Tanks that is the question.
# Oct 21 2007 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
As a warrior I can Honestly say this is One weapon I would want. To those that believe it should be given as a DPS weapon I would have to Contest that.
Main concern in Tanking is 1st and foremost Holding aggro.

I cant tell you how many times I let someone take aggro from me on trash mobs because I did not want to use or was trying to rebuild Endurance for the next named raid mob.

Tanks need decent Aggro generating weapons and not have to compete with a RNG/BRD/ROG who has this weapon equipped. I know there would be alot of RNG/BRD/ROG Deaths when clearing in to a Mob, Because my take on it is, if you want the aggro then Ill let you have it. ( Note I only mean this on the trash Mobs.) I will hold 100% aggro on any raid Mob I dont like playing aggro ping pong with those>>>> Thus the reason I save Endurance and let my weps taunt for me.

There are alot of good Non Aggro DPS weapons for the classes Listed and I suggest they hold out for them ie:
https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=45305
https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=51115 > 880 DD Proc

The only good that can come of DPS classes with aggro generating weapons is PING PONG AGGRO! I dont know too many healers that like healing in that scenario.

Just My 2cents there take it as you may.
armor class
# Oct 01 2006 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
This was changed to +50 AC, as opposed to the listed +30. Most likely to make it more desirable to warriors.
armor class
# Jul 12 2007 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
With a 19 dly and 31 dmg, you want this in the hands of your dps classes, namely the rangers and the rogues. Warriors already get a ton of AC and your dps classes certainly need help in that department.
armor class
# Oct 06 2007 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
Rangers could use it if you can tank the zone you exp at.
Rogues don't get hit because they never tank. (Runic BS Maul) =P
armor class
# Sep 25 2007 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
This is a Warrior ONLY weapon
You put it on a Ranger / Rogue, they going to die quick.
But, Put Faerie Hex Stone in this,
Then Enraging Blow Aug on Kreljnok, etc.
Youll never lose aggro again.
I'd say Runic Bloodstained Billyclub is for Ranger's/Rogues
armor class
# Feb 27 2008 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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rangers have the ability to lose aggro at almost any point they want to, especially with TSS jolting kicks, and they can chain cast jolt if needed, but in almost every situation the tank should be able to hold aggro over a dpsing ranger especially a knight.

so denying a dps class this very low delay weapon is foolish
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armor class
# Sep 16 2007 at 7:14 PM Rating: Decent
with cs5 you'd be crazy to think this a dps weapon. i wouldn't want to be the one trying to hold agro from a raid full dps classes with this. there are plenty of other weapons with higher dmg procs out there and thats what dps needs.
damage changed
# Apr 29 2006 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent
this was changed to 31 dmg with no +1 magic
No Slot Tag
# Apr 15 2006 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
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This is missing it's slot tag (i.e. "Weapon Skill: One Hand Slash") so it's not showing up in searches for weapons.
RE: No Slot Tag
# May 06 2006 at 5:38 PM Rating: Default
bump )
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Plainswalker of illumanati
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WoW retired
Happy happy joy joy!
# Nov 17 2005 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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*Drool* Very nice blade.. Very.. Very.. nice
RE: Happy happy joy joy!
# Dec 27 2005 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
19 delay just screams "Augment me with yet another proc!" doesn't it?
RE: Happy happy joy joy!
# Dec 28 2005 at 4:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Imo it screams "augment me with the tunat dmg augment!".

Procs aren't affected by weapon delay, but a weapon with a low delay gets a bigger ratio boost by a dmg aug than a high delay weapon.

PS:
Since I know some people will post that this would be wrong :
1HS with 20/40 and 15/30 = both got a ratio of 0.5.
The mentioned Tunat augment adds 2 dmg, making them 22/40 and 17/30. The ratio of both rises to 0.55 for the slower one and 0.57 for the faster one. Of course there are more factors to dps than just simple ratio...

Edited, Wed Dec 28 03:36:30 2005
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RE: Happy happy joy joy!
# May 04 2007 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
your math is wrong 20 /40 weapon is 2.o ratio not .5 since your adding the tunat damage aug to the 20 instead of the 40 to make it 22/40 you probably meant to add the tunat aug to make weapon 20/42 and the ratio then becomes .476 not the .55 that you were stating in your post
RE: Happy happy joy joy!
# May 04 2007 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
your math is wrong 20 /40 weapon is 2.o ratio not .5 since your adding the tunat damage aug to the 20 instead of the 40 to make it 22/40 you probably meant to add the tunat aug to make weapon 20/42 and the ration then becomes .476 not the .55 that you were stating in your post
RE: Happy happy joy joy!
# Apr 25 2006 at 2:27 AM Rating: Default
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Well, yeah... There is the damage bonus which is very pleasing if you have a weapon in main hand. Ranger, get a damage bonus in offhand thats pretty much half of the main hand. There is a 1hs 3damage aug in Demi, so it makes this weapon even more potent. Best dps proc available thats rarely resisted, cept stun. All in all this is the sickest weapon out there except for Demi boss drop and that one isnt much better.
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