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Beguiler's Sleeves  

Slot: ARMS
AC: 6
CHA: +4 INT: +5 HP: +10 MANA: +20
WT: 0.2 Size: SMALL
Class: ENC
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Slot 2, Type 21 (Special Ornamentation)

Item Type:Armor
Appearance:Velious Leather 2
Color (RGB):0, 0, 0
Lucy Entry By:rale
Item Updated By:SwiftyMUSE
IC Last Updated:2021-07-27 09:57:12
Page Updated:Tue Oct 25th, 2016

Expansion: Scars of Velious Scars of Velious

Rarity: Common
Level to Attain: 45

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Enchanter Thurgadin Armor

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Uploaded November 27th, 2008
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# Jan 03 2004 at 5:38 PM Rating: Default
I have found it is harder to raise CHA then INT. Granted you could use 2 opal steins, but there is alot better things you could have in those 2 slots. I have a human enchanter and I got 217 int and 123 CHA.
RE: hm
# Feb 13 2005 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
GM jewelcraft. Or any tradeskill, but JC is all store-bought.

Get a trophy. 10 Int, 50 Cha. Primary, Secondary, Range. Ammo equippable, too, but you won't get the stats.

That said, these are great sleeves. Int, Cha, HP and Mana, and the gems aren't terribly difficult to get (unlike the gloves).

# Nov 01 2002 at 6:58 AM Rating: Decent
personally i like the transient sleeves i have on right now. 9ac 10str 10dex 7cha 15hp 15man. higher ac, str/dex is just somethin nice to have, more cha (int is easier to raise anyways) and a little more hp in exchange for more mana.
# Feb 07 2003 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
int is easier to raise than cha?? i find that hard to believe. you can raise cha 50 pts by using two opal encrusted steins and at lvl 49 you get a 40 pt cha buff, thats 90 cha with 3 things. Only item ive seen with 25 int on it is dropped by some lvl 60 mob in Katta.

Edited, Fri Feb 7 16:59:46 2003
# Dec 02 2003 at 8:34 AM Rating: Default
But at what price are you raising your CHA ... Over all INT is easier to raise CHA without haveing to sacrafice to much on the other stats. Like you said... two steins .. but the steins have no other stats attached to them.
giant scalemail is better.
# May 03 2001 at 1:10 AM Rating: Default
even with the -3 int mod (I mean common who cant keep int at 200?) scale arms are 11 ac and 20 hp. getting 200 cha shouldnt be hard with a +50 cha buff. and GZ posted 200 is a softcap for CHA (if your one of the people who actually keeps it up, but lets not start that hehe) so you only need at most +50 cha in items, epic takes a huge chunk out of that, so does halo.

so to recap, 11ac 20hp is better than these stats if you have halfways decent armor to start with. simply because they have huge ac and nice +hp on them.
RE: giant scalemail is better.
# Aug 27 2002 at 8:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I can't see prefering Giant Scalemail over these, but Transient arms seems considerably better.

AC: +9 Str: +10 Dex: +10 Cha: +7 HP: +15 Mana: +35
Weight: 1.0

Transient's may lack the Int, but the +mana makes up for at least some of that. Higher AC, some Cha, and extra HPs make me find the Transient arms much more desirable.

RE: giant scalemail is better.
# Aug 12 2002 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
Ummmm...excuse me? Giant scalemail sleeves in favor of this? You're kidding, right?? I am level 52, my intelligence is at 188 and charisma is at 155. With all my buffs, I can get them up to 192, 195 (about...). Its not great, but respectable. No self-respecting enchanter would even think of equipping giant scalemail sleeves. 11 ac and 20 hp, and -3 int is NO reason to trade in some 5 ac, 4 cha, 5 int, 10 hp, and 20 mana sleeves. Besides, whats the argument behind the switch? Is it so we can take a few more hits?? Usually, if us enchanters are being pummeled, we're going to bite the dust regardless if we have that extra 10 hp and 5 ac. . .now Im not saying that extra ac and hp isnt a bad thing, Im just saying that pretty much anyone would take these in favor of giant scailmale armor...'cept maybe a dumb ogre =P

'Nuff said
nice sleeves
# Dec 19 2000 at 10:48 PM Rating: Default
Those are some pretty good sleeves. INT and CHA, plus some HP and Mana, great for an enchanter.
RE: nice sleeves
# Dec 20 2000 at 5:07 AM Rating: Default
Doubt I'll trade in my insidious for these.
RE: nice sleeves
# Dec 22 2000 at 1:42 PM Rating: Default
heh i did, higher ac high cha, and mana...i dont need int
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