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(100 / (Haste% + 100)) * weapon delay = new delay

Impossible

Shaded Dagger + FBSS

100 / (21 + 100) * 22
100 / (121 * 22)
100 / 2662
New Delay = 26.62

Even when converting the percentage of the haste into decimals, it does not reduce the delay of the weapon

Shaded Dagger + FBSS

100 / (.21 + 100) * 22
100 / (100.21 * 22)
100 / 2204.62
New Delay = 22.0462

Hense, that formula is wrong.

Where did your formula go wrong? It when wrong here. You are dividing out the 100. Hense changing the formula to Haste*delay. You will NEVER get a lower number than the delay in doing this =)

The Correct Formula is still
Delay / (1 + Haste) = New Delay
d/(1+H)=X

Shaded Dagger + FBSS:
22 / (1 + .21) = X
22 / 1.21 = X
18.03 = X
New Delay = 18.18

Drakel Icereaver + FBSS
40 / (1 + .21) = X
40 / 1.21 = X
32.78 = X
New Delay = 33.06

Tombcarver
17 / (1 + .21) = X
17 / 1.21 = X
13.93 = X
New Delay = 14.04



Edited, Thu May 30 11:55:23 2002

The correct Formula pointed out by the Monk is:

(100 / (Haste% + 100)) * weapon delay = new delay

People don't seem to know that the percentage listed on items is a percentage of DAMAGE Increase not delay decrease.

As I'm sure you all know, Verant says that you can have:
-1 Spell Haste
-1 Song Haste
-1 Items Haste

But, wouldn't this count as a spell haste because its triggered? If so, then It will stack with FBSS, SCHW, etc. And myabe the bard epic haste trigger counts as a song, coz the effect sounds like a song

Do i have to be lvl 50 to carry this weapon or nm ? thx to answer.

OMG SHUTUP WITH THIS HASTE STUFF THIS IS THE RAGEBRINGER MESAGE BOARD NOT HASTE HOW ABOUT THIS FORMULA: HIGH HASTE% > LOW HASTE%
WHO CARES HOW MANY HITS YOU GET JUST AS LONG AS YOU HAVE HIGHER HASTE IT WEILL ALWAYS BE BETTER (WITH THE SAME WEAPON)

Just saw a few posts from people on calculating your delay with haste items/spells on, here's an easy formula.

(100 / (Haste% + 100)) * weapon delay = new delay

Example of a FBSS with 21% haste and 20dly weapon
(100 / (21 + 100)) * 20dly = new delay
(100 / 121) * 20dly = new delay
0.8264 * 20dly = 16.5dly

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I hate stupid posts, I hate stupid posts made by people whom have never used a higher lvl rog(55+) I also hate many posts on the same exact thing ~>haste,best wep <~There are differnt weps for different encounts(we all know this) =D I am a rogue. I am a fairly good rogue. I am a lvl 58 rogue. I have some fairly good gear....and imoi...bout every good you see, you see Ragebringer =D So pls dont post any more junk underneath my particle weapons stats pls =D
Annoyed Rogue

P.S. I really think some of these posts on all the items should be revamped, and most removed =D

I can't say how many times I have seen posts on
"how to figure out haste..etc etc" for the latest
superfreakalloyed, Imgonnawhigcheckthathoe type of
item.

Literally, I have seen tens of ways to figure out haste for an item or spell, but sadly enough, and frankly, many of the ways just suck because of the lack of simplicity. Some work, some don't,
and some are practical, and some are not...


Being a physics buff, I tend to get frisky with
the math side of things and try to make ****
as simple as possible. Reason being,.... it helps. :p "Keep it simple stupid."

So, with that in mind...here are the ones that I
thought worthy of mentioning as being simplest:

d /(1 + h) = d'

or

(a' / a) - 1 = h

d is equal to the ORIGINAL DELAY of your
weapon. ie wurmy = 40, lammy = 19, etc..
and d' is equal to the weapon's hasted delay.

Or, which we will find out further down,
a is the number of attacks in a certain time
and a' is equal to the number of hasted
attacks over the same period.
(If you look closely, you will notice
that these equations are nearly the
same after a couple of manipulations)

h is equal to the percentage HASTE for an item.
ie 40%, or 0.40 ~ swiftwind, or ragebringer...

There is a simple equality that arises from
this..being:

d / d' = a' / a

or more practically speaking:

d' = ad / a'

but I'm digressing...

Example One:

Let's say for instance, Furor, a warrior of 36 seasons, had his eyes set on a few weapons at GFaymart. Two of which happened to be a lammy and
wurmslayer. Being quite the informed player after 36 seasons, Furor recalls the lammy having a 9 damage, 19 delay, while the wurmy has a 25 damage, 40 delay(neglecting the other stats). Since, he has an FBSS, whose haste is roughly ~20%, what kind of delay/damage ratio will the lammy and wurmy have when hasted with his FBSS?

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FBSS with the lammy... d / (1 + h) = d'

19 / (1 + 0.20) = d'

15.83 = d' , or d' = 16

so the lammy is now 9 damage, 16 delay.

~ 1.78 ratio

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with the wurmy... d / (1 + h) = d'

40 / (1 + 0.20) = d'

33.33 = d' , or d' = 33

so the wurmy is now 25 damage, 33 delay.

~ 1.32 ratio

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Now, that equation can be manipulated in any manner you wish too. Even broken down into an equation bearing the number of attacks hasted, and not. So starting with the original equation :

d / 1 + h = d'

And manipulating it with simple algebra:

d / d' = 1 + h , and finally...

(d / d') - 1 = h

(remember what I said about
those two equations being almost the
same?)

And since d / d' = a' / a , we now arrive at

(a' / a) - 1 = h


This equation allows you to calculate the haste
of an item by plugging in the delays, or more importantly, the number of attacks hasted a, and unhasted a'.

There are numerous other variations you can arrive at, but I leave that up to you to manipulate algebraically either of those two
equations to satisfy your needs. SO...

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Example two:

Let's say Tigole just purchased an fbss and didn't
quite know what the haste was on that bad boy.
He heard it rocked, but wanted to do a little testing to see how much he got for his money...

He usaully uses a tombcarver in his main hand..and
and an unknown longsword resembling a rusty one at
that in the offhand... The tombcarver unhasted
is 5 damage and 17 delay..after factoring out the
offhand attacks, he comes up with two average numbers for attacks, hasted and unhasted for a particular time: 170 unhasted, 142 hasted

by using (a' / a) - 1 = h

we get (170/142) - 1 = h

or h = 0.197 , or haste roughly equals 20%

for the FBSS.
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So, in summary..the things you need to
remember are:
d /(1 + h) = d'


or


(a' / a) - 1 = h


and the identity that relates the above


d / d' = a' / a


and you can manipulate the rest.

I'm sorry if this **** turned into a algebra session and not quite as simple as I would
like, but I think this is as simple as simple
gets for haste.


-Alde the calculating ranger

Okay... Let me clear this Haste subject up...
Many people say that haste lowers your weapon delay, while others say it raises your chance of hitting... I believe it does both, and here's how...
Okay, first, we assume that 10 Delay is 1 Second... I am not really sure how much delay = 1 second, although I heard somewhere that it was 21; we'll just use 10 to make it easier... With that cleared up, say your weapon has a Delay of 20.
Now, with 20 Delay, let's say you have a 50% haste item (God, I wish.) That makes your Delay 10...
Some of you may argue differently, saying that Haste actually increases your chances of swinging by 50%, and it does...

With a Delay of 10, you swing once every Second, and with a delay of 20, you swing once every Two Seconds... That's decreasing your delay by 50% AND Increasing your chances of Swinging by 50%... Think about it, folks...