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Lath Drinor  

Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 23
DMG: 12 Dmg Bonus: 30
Backstab DMG: 12
This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
STR: +5 AGI: +3
WT: 1.0 Size: SMALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)
Item Type:Piercing
Merchant Value:4 pp 5 gp 0 sp 0 cp
Lucy Entry By:Agamenoar
Item Updated By:SwiftyMUSE
IC Last Updated:2020-11-24 06:54:55
Page Updated:Sat Sep 7th, 2019
Scars of Velious Item

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Rarity: Common
Level to Attain: 1

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Uploaded November 27th, 2008
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Which is a Better combo??
# Nov 17 2002 at 10:39 PM Rating: Default
73 posts
This and Goranga spiked club
this and veno axe
this and di zok wristsnapper for bard??
Kodest Mistsong
RE: Which is a Better combo??
# Apr 03 2003 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
drops where?
# Sep 13 2002 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
92 posts
So, anyone confirm this just drops off anything in the zone or can we compile a list?
Str and weapon dmg
# May 06 2002 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
Strength and weapon damage are the only things that factor into your backstab. Your attack does not factor in, since str raises atk, it is essentially the str making you bs harder, not atk. And in NO WAY does dexterity have ANYTHING to do with BS. My gnome had 20 more dex then my barb, but my barbs 60 more str makes him bs for 20-30 dmg at the same level.

Edited, Mon May 6 19:57:31 2002
#REDACTED, Posted: May 01 2002 at 8:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Your BS depends on 2 things..Base damage of wep in primary hand and your DEXTERITY...NOT Str..Strength has nothing to do with BSing...although it does have an effect on your other melee damage.
# May 10 2002 at 6:36 AM Rating: Default
24 posts
YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT HAVE A ROGUE OR BOUGHT YOUR ACCOUNT ON EBAY!! you WILL see a difference in standard dmg and bstab if for instance you have a str of 150 then buffed to 200+ ..moron

dex does NOT do **** for dmg its ONLY for proc, how often critical hits go off and learning weapon skills. dumb *******

casters realm
Strength: Strength determines how much you can carry. It influences maximum and average damage and how quickly you learn many offensive skills.

Edited, Fri May 10 07:35:14 2002
# May 05 2002 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent
Base damage and ATK. Dex only affects ranged damage (thrown weapons and archery), certain skill increases, and the rate at which a weapon procs.

Go read the Safehouse (, friend. You might learn a thing or two. :)
# Feb 05 2002 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
Rogues are damage dealers. when you think of a rogue you think of damage. Now what makes rogues damage dealers is 1) the amount of str that they have and 2) the damage on there weap. The higher the damage and the str the bigger the Bses you are gonn have. Now im not sure that i agree with this being the best rogue weapon. The Primal Spear is like 13/20 and as far as ratio goes that is a better weapon. But you wont BS for as much. You will do more damage when you arent bsing though. Just trying to say that there isnt one right way to go as far as weapons for a rogue.

Also i had no idea that there was a 16 damage rogue usable piercer. I thought that Verant had said that they would never make a rogue piercer with more damage than 15. I might be a little outdated so somebody plz fill me in.

Edited, Tue Feb 5 14:47:52 2002
RE: bah
# Mar 23 2002 at 2:34 AM Rating: Decent
Atk and Weapon Damage are the key factors. Strength is also an important factor because it affects Atk.
#REDACTED, Posted: Jan 03 2002 at 9:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If your into pierceing as a wizard there is better. For starters,
# Nov 08 2001 at 6:59 PM Rating: Decent
anyone know the pc on this? I have it on Povar

Lizardling Warscale
54 Iksar Warrior
Povar Server
# Sep 25 2001 at 9:41 AM Rating: Decent
397 posts
Good grief, people talkin about need before greed on this dagger, but by the time a rogue could get a group to kill the mobs that drop this rare weapon he / she'd have epic and probably skyfury or green dragon blade already... So until this weapon says rogue only you can just shut your mouthes.

This is a good weapon because its a rare / random drop off very hard mobs that aren't easy to hunt. They list all the classes that can use so that if your piercing classes already have better than it wont be auction fodder. Nothing with 8svcold and 8svmagic should ever be considered worthless.

I honestly dont see a problem with letting one of the other classes that can use this weapon, have it. I mean if there was some 20ac 3dex 3str 10wis pants that were rogue usable I wouldn't mind lettin the rogue have them... hell I've had better for about half a year. Why wouldn't you let the classes that can use this weapon have a chance at getting it? Just random this thing between everyone if it drops... it'd most likely be trade fodder anyway.
#Anonymous, Posted: Sep 04 2001 at 10:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ...about trying to decide if any weapon in the game is actually better than the rage!! i think verant knows wtf they were doing when they made it so STOP debating on it..********
#Anonymous, Posted: Sep 04 2001 at 10:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ..all of you! why the **** are you all arguing with each other and posting stupid ****?? WHO CARES WHAT THE EXACT HASTE IS ON THE RAGE!! HASTE MAKES YOU SWING FASTER THATS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW NOT THE EXACT % DOWN TO THE .1 .****** LOSERS!! just say where it drops if you know or how much it costs stop with this pathetic chatting to each other go on aol for that ****** ****
#Anonymous, Posted: Aug 29 2001 at 5:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The point is this is a MELEE class weapon, I don't care if it goes to some rogue or a warrior a ranger a shadow knight or heck even a bard but melee class period. The ratio and more importantly the higher damage make this thing devistating for any melee class to weild and simply a waste for a caster. Casters, if you ever get one of these let a melee class twink or friend or guildie borrow it for a bit and then you will understand.
#REDACTED, Posted: Sep 07 2001 at 12:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 1. the enchanter post was a joke
RE: missing the point
# Mar 25 2002 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
woot! another anti-NBG mage! i thought i was the only one...i remember the days of KC and the huge arguments over the "mighty" jade mace(which, at the time, went for 8k). it goes for 2k now, as does most every other item on tunare. I hope others pick up on this philosophy.
Faberin Midgetpunter
58 Magician
Jimmbob Jones
43 Rogue(who, by the way, has this weapon)
#Anonymous, Posted: Aug 15 2001 at 10:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This should be Enchanter Only, all other classes get good weapons but us chaters only get crap. Don't know why all u ppl saying should go to rogues, give it to the enchanter. Even through I play a warrior, i would want the enchanter to have it.
#Anonymous, Posted: Aug 15 2001 at 10:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This should be Enchanter Only, all other classes get good weapons but us chaters only get crap. Don't know why all u ppl saying should go to rogues, give it to the enchanter. Even through I play a warrior, i would want the enchanter to have it.
# May 20 2001 at 6:22 AM Rating: Decent
Oh and that 16/24 that procs avitar from sleepers that totaly blows the epic away...but theres prolly about 5 of them around all the servers and I think Afterlife has 2 of them...heh those bastards
Please Remember
# Jun 03 2001 at 10:45 PM Rating: Decent
1,074 posts
There are many posts about which weapons are better than the Rogue Epic. Delay 25 Damage 15 40% Permanent Haste plus enough statitical bonuses to fill a dozen lines on the chat bar. There is no better weapon for a Rogue than Ragebringer.

Edited, Nov 15th 2008 10:32am by Reyla
After 16 years, I'm not listing every friggin character.
RE: Please Remember
# Jun 18 2001 at 6:34 AM Rating: Good
Too many people just don't understand the concept of haste. Haste changes how many chances you have to hit a mob, so 100% haste only reduces the delay of your weapon by half, i.e. making the ragebringer 15/12.5, which isn't possible anyway due to the haste cap. So the natural haste on the ragebringer only brings it down to 21 delay or so.
RE: Please Remember
# Dec 14 2001 at 1:41 AM Rating: Decent
Haste cap at level 60 is a 110% for a rogue.
RE: Please Remember
# Jul 19 2001 at 11:10 AM Rating: Default
actually, the haste cap is 10delay, so it can go that low
RE: Please Remember
# Jun 12 2002 at 9:30 PM Rating: Decent
delay has been proven not to be stuck at 10... most common example is monk 9/16 epics going down to like 9/8 i think, but anyway that's all
# May 20 2001 at 6:20 AM Rating: Decent
I have one of these for offhand after I get my epic and well I don't care what anyone says... I have only seen 2 of these go for sale. I payed 2 bloodpoints and 10k (or 50k he wanted the bps) I got ripped off? theres so few of them how can you know? I know most of the rogues on my server and to my best guess there are about 15 of these. and other than the uber rare 13/20 12/20 velium spears and the willsapper (and that GM quested 12/22)... its the best poker around. period.

Darkeyes Knight of the UnDead lords
blackguard of the 57th stab
~silent assasin
RE: cost
# Mar 15 2002 at 1:25 AM Rating: Decent
BTW, the GM quested 12/22(fanged skull stiletto) isn't a Gm quest event anymore. You kill Stanos and give his head to Hann, as opposed to giving head to vghera(for hie illusion mask), or the reverse of that(rogue epic)
#Anonymous, Posted: May 19 2001 at 10:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ia there any way a lvl 15 rogue can get 1 and what is the price on this?
#Anonymous, Posted: May 04 2001 at 1:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First of all, bards melee is crap, second of all, this isnt a twinking weapon. Rogues can defenitely make the best use of this item. I agree with the third post completely.
Drops From...
# May 01 2001 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
Well the loot tables in skyshrine are kind of random. Its a bit like the planes. We looted one from A level 60 jello cube named Tri Velic. I'm positive this could drop from any of the cubes, and most likely the wyverns as well.
RE: Drops From...
# Sep 28 2001 at 7:33 AM Rating: Default
Doesn't Tri Velic if you say it just right sound a lot like the guy from Goldeneye I think his name is Trivellin but Bond says it a little differnt.
Whats it drop off!
# Jan 11 2001 at 2:02 PM Rating: Default
Someone tell me what this awesome weapon dropds off! My bard will be uber-powered!
#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 13 2001 at 3:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) no offence but if there is a rogue in the group when this drops and this is better than what he has then he should have it, period. Im a bard myself and even tho drooling at this weapon I still say that the rogue can make more use of it.
RE: Whats it drop off!
# Aug 26 2001 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
Anyone who would not forfeit their roll for a Rogue to have this would be the loot *****. Yes I am a rogue and would expect this to be rolled by rogues only or at least by melee only if I am with a group of loot whores just looking to sell it to twink yet another of their characters. If a ring with a +15 CHA boost would drop for melee only then wouldn't you logically think that a bard should get it? Common sense and alittle kindness folks :)
Cyllus Baneheart
50th Rogue to the Stars
RE: Whats it drop off!
# Mar 26 2001 at 11:47 AM Rating: Default
if you want a rogue to have it...then make one...but until it says rogue only...shut up
#REDACTED, Posted: Mar 28 2001 at 9:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Can you say: Loot hungry?
#REDACTED, Posted: May 04 2001 at 4:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No, but I can say "idiot"
RE: Whats it drop off!
# Apr 10 2001 at 9:33 PM Rating: Default
Yeah, no kidding. I play a rogue and if someone said some crap like that to me? I would see to it that they were totally ostracized from everyone. Not that this person has a lot of friends anyway.=) A rogue would deserve to have this weapon. Your bard wouldn't make as good use of it as a rogue would. Can you imagine the capacity for BS with this? I am drooling all over myself wondering where in the hell I can get one. =) But, if there were another rogue in the group, I would roll for it. Or, if even a bard wanted one, I would roll for it. It's called fair looting. Remember, other people can see what you pick up if you are in a group. =) May whatever drops this thing kill you when your loot hungry *** tries to get one. I know it sounds harsh, but I am sick of people who don't share loot fairly with their group.
RE: Whats it drop off!
# Dec 24 2001 at 6:36 AM Rating: Default
Why "Imagine"? Go to tenebrous mountains, sit in front of a grimling cave. 12/29 picks drop like skittles in a commercial off the grimling orefinders. Hotkey a main inventory slot and your main weapon slot. Now rotate out your trak tooth/locustlure/whatever for the pick each time you backstab. *bonk*
RE: Whats it drop off!
# Jun 11 2002 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
See that thing up there in the title bar of the post? It's called a "date", it tells you when someone made a post. April 2001. When did luclin come out? "*bonk*" =)
Sir Abazagaroth Katzkortulu
Knight of The Rathe
#REDACTED, Posted: Aug 13 2001 at 3:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So you're saying then that if a really nice 1hs weapon dropped that were bard/rogue only (useable in either hand) you would let the bard have it, no questions asked? I doubt you would, & i doubt you really mean fair when you say it.
#REDACTED, Posted: May 13 2002 at 8:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I sure as hell would, thats the fair thing to do, especially if it is an upgrade for the bard
#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 25 2001 at 9:59 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) WOOT i would love to group with that bard
who said twink?
# Jan 01 2001 at 10:39 PM Rating: Decent
198 posts
I just want to give it to my rogue friend then just crank up verses of victory and watch the backstabs.

#Anonymous, Posted: Dec 27 2000 at 11:23 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) look at the dmg on this baby wow i soooo wanna twink my rogue with this whats it drop off?
# Jan 17 2001 at 10:19 PM Rating: Excellent
We got one off of a level 57 cube in Skyshrine...

Thurk <Domination>
Erollisi Marr
# Apr 06 2001 at 5:49 AM Rating: Default
Same .. or if it was the lvl63 one .

# Apr 08 2001 at 12:33 PM Rating: Default
We got one of these off a Fe'Dhar wurm in SS last night while at the platform for the first teleport.
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