Omens of WarI have questions for all of you who are whining about the effects or whining about the stats... do you have 1.5?? Do you remember how crappy 1.0 was? have you started 1.5? I did 1.5 in 3 days...thats right 3! The effect is MUCH better than that crap they gave for 1.0 and to be quite honest that little red click pet has saved my *** in tough solos VS named many times. It's extra dmg, they didnt mean for it to proc a damn CH every tick you dolts, but it does help VS Msha's in qvic. Before you keep your ***** session going you need to wake up and realize that its a really great item...VERY hard to get(anguish access..hello), and if your a necro worth your salt, you already outdamage any other class out there and can solo better than ANYONE. Quit your whining, stop waiting for Sony to hand stuff to you on a silver platter, and learn to play your class. I have.
Hadesborne Soulsifter
70 Deathspeaker
The War Council
Saryrn
Deathwhisper
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Northern Felwithe
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34 posts
Hmm stop whining well considering your obviously in an uber guild you dont relize anymore how difficult this is to get for the peeps in unubah guilds..let me point out... summon pet x1 for a meesly 60 secs is that considered godly? No. 5% spell shield..not 15 not 10 but 5 is that godly? No. No mana regen no Ft is that godly? No. What Necro in its right mind even melees any more? Whats the purpose of the damage bonus and what not? Anguish acsess required...considering I soloed my entire druid 1.0 and cant even get a group let alone a raid to go to PoS for my 1.0 necro this Epic is far and wide the most disappointing aspect of this entire sh*t on the necro class game. We are casters pure and simple. Even with our liches and whatnot we still dont get the invites to the great raids and the great rainding guilds because even liching cant keep up with the massive amount of mana used by the healers in any raid. This epic is so un epic I wont even waste my time getting 1.0 now.
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First off I'd like to add that you have no idea what you're talking about ... that said, take a step back and look at our class, we have insane DPS, great pets, we can solo, we can add to any group, and we can raid ... if you knew the first thing about Necros you'd know all of this. I'm betting that everyone on your server knows how much you snivel and whine and THAT is why you're not in a raiding guild... just a guess. You should probably just quit the game now and save yourself some time.
Well, I wouldn't be knocking it back, but hate reduction is garbage for necro, we just FD. Something like stun resist would be useful, that one a necro can never have enough of. 2 x pets I don't mind, the Tandoori pet from the first one is fine, and heals all your WTD pets too :o) The hate reduction is a ridiculous effect for us though. If you need FT at the level needed to get this, forget it...something stackable with FT would have been good, like Maelin's Meditation or Reyfin's Racing Thoughts.
All that aside, grats to Adora, hella nice primary, can't wait to get mine.
All that aside, grats to Adora, hella nice primary, can't wait to get mine.
43 posts
Have some cheese with your whine... it has two aug slots on it, put what you think it's missing on.
Necros already get uber lich, they have like 1000 mana regen a tick, and there are a ton of regen items out there that necros already covet wantonly. That is why it doesn't have any mana/regen effects on it.
Edited, Wed Dec 22 22:25:43 2004
Necros already get uber lich, they have like 1000 mana regen a tick, and there are a ton of regen items out there that necros already covet wantonly. That is why it doesn't have any mana/regen effects on it.
Edited, Wed Dec 22 22:25:43 2004
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Quote:
it has two aug slots on it, put what you think it's missing on.
Going back to my argument that's higher than this thread... it's an EPIC 2.0 smart one, it's not SUPPOSED to be lacking. An Epic is Epic because it is so, supposedly, obnoxiously powerful. To have to add to my Epic item is pretty lame. And as Rathenecro says, you're obviously in a pretty good guild if you're in Anguish, so you can knock this Epic stuff out pretty quick. For the rest of us, it's going to take us a good chunk of time to get it, if ever... and after viewing an Epic item that one guy, who was sticking up for it, admits it sucks, and the other admits it needs to be added to... I don't see why I would even waste the time. And if you're in Anguish, then you probably don't really need the item in the first place, because there's better items out there. A summoned pet as it's key strength? Awesome... I'm so stoked... I bet a lot of people didn't do this quest to have their Epic 2.0 sit in their inventory slot (I'm assuming it can be casted from inventory, doesn't say needs to be equiped) only to be using a better item in their primary.
Bloggz, I wasn't whining about the thing. It's godly. Actually with max AA and FT20 + dark Possession as or lich, we regen about 130-140 mana per tick with various mana buffs like SA and the ever faithful GoBrilliance, but other clickie effects stackable with FT are always welcome. Hence the idea for Maelin's or Reyfins type effects.
I don't care that it has no FT (who needs it by the time you can get the thing?) BUT when you have a dozen needy clerics needing a mana feed in a long fight, every extra bit of mana regen helps.
However, as a firm believer of HP being > than all I certainly wouldn't be complaining about this weapon. 320hp in primary plus a probable 90 - 125HP augment commonly dropped in Anguish makes this thing pretty amazing.
Mentioning that a more useful effect than hate reduction might be welcome does not constitute whining.
I don't care that it has no FT (who needs it by the time you can get the thing?) BUT when you have a dozen needy clerics needing a mana feed in a long fight, every extra bit of mana regen helps.
However, as a firm believer of HP being > than all I certainly wouldn't be complaining about this weapon. 320hp in primary plus a probable 90 - 125HP augment commonly dropped in Anguish makes this thing pretty amazing.
Mentioning that a more useful effect than hate reduction might be welcome does not constitute whining.
IMHO, Necromancers should have gotten the MOST hate reduction, since Necros generate the most hate, hands down, of any other class if they try to. Or if they actually want to do any real DPS.
Also, the clickie should have been something completely different. It's been said, btu I have to reiterate that this item was made with no love for the class and no thought put into how long and hard the Necro in question must work to get an 'epic' with NO MANA REGEN AND NO HP REGEN. seriously, what Necro would even consider putting all that effort forth for an item that doesn't have those two all important stats on it. And is it just me or is every Epic lacking in one resist or another? Is that on purpose? Aren't they supposed to be 'epic'? Meaning Uber? Godly? While stat raises in the double digits and mana/hp plusses in the triples make this a drooly item at first glance (espescially since it's one handed blunt), it seems like any Necro who would actually be able to get this wouldn't really want it except for the brag-rights. Most characters at 70/++ complain about their stats being pretty much perma-capped anyway, so I don't see how all these crazy stats really do anything...I would definately take more resists (or any, if you're looking at Poison...) then more stats.
Then again, maybe there is something I'm just not understanding, since I don't have a level 70 and I'm not a developer. Someone please tell me why this is a good Epic.
Speaking of which, the item slot still says None (intentory) when I think it should say Primary.
Also, the clickie should have been something completely different. It's been said, btu I have to reiterate that this item was made with no love for the class and no thought put into how long and hard the Necro in question must work to get an 'epic' with NO MANA REGEN AND NO HP REGEN. seriously, what Necro would even consider putting all that effort forth for an item that doesn't have those two all important stats on it. And is it just me or is every Epic lacking in one resist or another? Is that on purpose? Aren't they supposed to be 'epic'? Meaning Uber? Godly? While stat raises in the double digits and mana/hp plusses in the triples make this a drooly item at first glance (espescially since it's one handed blunt), it seems like any Necro who would actually be able to get this wouldn't really want it except for the brag-rights. Most characters at 70/++ complain about their stats being pretty much perma-capped anyway, so I don't see how all these crazy stats really do anything...I would definately take more resists (or any, if you're looking at Poison...) then more stats.
Then again, maybe there is something I'm just not understanding, since I don't have a level 70 and I'm not a developer. Someone please tell me why this is a good Epic.
Speaking of which, the item slot still says None (intentory) when I think it should say Primary.
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you see the reason those people who can raid anguish to get this are complaining about stats being perma capped is because EVERY SLOT is dedicated to capping their stats. with high stats on one item it leaves another slot open for mediocre stats but HP regen or FT for example or any other thing that they might want that slot for or if they get an artifact....not great stats if any but if ya wanna show off or as a necro get more ac and have people wonder wtf you are there is an artifact that is a chest slot sk/necro that has plate graphics..... it has a ton of ac for a silk class so if ya wanna raise your ac and not loose your other stats GET THIS item......ohh and about the agro reduction sometimes you get going thinking your fine then a cheal lands a little too late and MT goes down if your just above ST in agro because you were doing a ton of dmg and producing a ton of agro but were not getting agro from the mob and all of the sudden without warning he hits you and kills you in 3 rounds before ST can get agro and no healer has time to heal you then you will wish you had the agro reduction
Scholar
33 posts
Well grats all, it appears your /whine buttons are working fine :D
Can understand the annoyance of not having FT/Regen on it when all of the others do, but to be honest most necros who are able to obtain 2.0 will more than likely be capped FT and 2 regen is ..meh.
About agro reducer being better than all others keep this is mind: Feign death. If you're having problems with often pulling agro by the time your guild is raiding anguish you should probably stop using ebay. Know what other nuking classes do when they build up too much agro? They stop casting nukes. Necros? naaaah
Why is this epic good? What are you wielding in your primary? Looks pretty fookin hunky dorey to me. May not be super-duper-I-DT-gods-at-a-whim uber but cmon. Honestly, I'm shocked I haven't heard anyone complain the required level is 70. If you don't like it, don't get it.
Also hear a lot of people complaining about the clicky effect. Not saying I don't agree, but just out of curiousity what would you like the clicky effect to be? (anyone)
Can understand the annoyance of not having FT/Regen on it when all of the others do, but to be honest most necros who are able to obtain 2.0 will more than likely be capped FT and 2 regen is ..meh.
About agro reducer being better than all others keep this is mind: Feign death. If you're having problems with often pulling agro by the time your guild is raiding anguish you should probably stop using ebay. Know what other nuking classes do when they build up too much agro? They stop casting nukes. Necros? naaaah
Why is this epic good? What are you wielding in your primary? Looks pretty fookin hunky dorey to me. May not be super-duper-I-DT-gods-at-a-whim uber but cmon. Honestly, I'm shocked I haven't heard anyone complain the required level is 70. If you don't like it, don't get it.
Also hear a lot of people complaining about the clicky effect. Not saying I don't agree, but just out of curiousity what would you like the clicky effect to be? (anyone)
To stifle your curiosity-
At this point I believe clickies should be something that hasn't been done yet. How about an unresistable, 5 min duration dot that does more damage than any normal dot a Necro has? A group HP AND mana tap with -100 resist? Or howabout something like EQ2, a clickie that summons an undead minion from the zone with all the innate properties of the living version? The blood pet I'm sure is great, and I'm not /whining about this weapon at all. I've moved on from EQ1 and will never see this weapon, so grats to you if you have it and enjoy it. I just think there's a lot more out there that can be done.
And FYI I'm using Zlandicar's Heart still. Or was. You know what I mean.
At this point I believe clickies should be something that hasn't been done yet. How about an unresistable, 5 min duration dot that does more damage than any normal dot a Necro has? A group HP AND mana tap with -100 resist? Or howabout something like EQ2, a clickie that summons an undead minion from the zone with all the innate properties of the living version? The blood pet I'm sure is great, and I'm not /whining about this weapon at all. I've moved on from EQ1 and will never see this weapon, so grats to you if you have it and enjoy it. I just think there's a lot more out there that can be done.
And FYI I'm using Zlandicar's Heart still. Or was. You know what I mean.
44 posts
It really is a big FU that there's no mana or hp regen on this item, while there is on the other class epics. The effect isn't that great either. Maybe with enough feedback, SOE will beef it up a bit.
Did they ever even fix the effect from the 1.5?
Did they ever even fix the effect from the 1.5?
Agreed. Epics are supposed to be these uber items that people dream about owning...I wouldn't even pay to buy this...would much rather own an uber shield with +5 regen/mana regen. Besides, since when are Necros a healing class? The effect in no way represents our class at its best ability...DoT's.
Edited, Wed Dec 22 13:08:49 2004
Edited, Wed Dec 22 13:08:49 2004
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This epic 2.0 is the most useless epics I have seen. First of all, no DoT shielding? No stun resists? Not even lore?? Personally I think that the unique effect was made with no love for the class and without any kind of imagination. It is basically the same pet calling effect rehashed so that instead of one 2 life stealing skeletons now show up! The name is a bad choice too. In my oppinion (that's just mine), Sony should've named the 1.5 epic Deathwhisper and the 2.0 epic Soulwhisper! The particle effect is one of the worst so far (green crystal shaped fumes appearing in 3 rows and too much gray and ivory has been used in the skinning of this lousy epic), next to the wizard epic 1.5 / 2.0. Sony, promising so much, did a poor job on this particular epic. And if there's no DoT shielding, the least thing Sony could do is raise the spell shielding up to 15% to make this epic worthy of a necromancer again! AND give back the 1.5 epic skin/ rename this one!
Just my 2cp.
Just my 2cp.
Actually, its still only one pet. The pet is called "blood_skeleton2", and then it says x1, which means only one shows up. The 2 is saying that its an upgrade from "blood_skeleton" because they are so creative with naming effects.
You guys think you have it bad? Go look at the monk epic 1.5 or 2.0 Sure the dmg/dly is nice, but the click and focus are a joke.
The click gives you a halfway decent proc buff, adding a stun. So in other words, only useful if you're tanking or against some gating thing that needs to be interrupted. It also adds a reverse proc that makes you run faster when hit (and if it procs.) Whoopdy doo. If I'm pulling and get hit, I'm usually dead or close in one round of melee anyway. Lasts 1 minute, 5 minute reuse.
And the focus lowers the reuse timer for Innerflame (do more dmg for 20 seconds in melee) from 30 minutes to 28 minutes.
The click gives you a halfway decent proc buff, adding a stun. So in other words, only useful if you're tanking or against some gating thing that needs to be interrupted. It also adds a reverse proc that makes you run faster when hit (and if it procs.) Whoopdy doo. If I'm pulling and get hit, I'm usually dead or close in one round of melee anyway. Lasts 1 minute, 5 minute reuse.
And the focus lowers the reuse timer for Innerflame (do more dmg for 20 seconds in melee) from 30 minutes to 28 minutes.
7 posts
very, very disappointing.
The D/D is kind of sad and not up to par with the rest of them also IMO...
17 posts
also were is the regen 2 and ft like the other epics?
22 posts
I dont know that much about necros, but I think they got the shaft on their epic 2.0. The sta int hp and mana are nice, but that is about it. I dont see anything that is epic 2.0 worthy on this item.
15 posts
I mean, really, come on..... What is this? I don't think I ever really hated SoE before this moment. How is it we get shafted again on our epic? Someone up there really must not like necromancers at all, cuz overall, this sucks really really bad. Just my 2cp.
1 post
Why is it that necros always get one of the worst epics? This effect sucks. The best they could come up with was to give us a pet that heals the group. Thats really sad. And then, just to top it off, they dont put any hp or mana regen on it.
40 posts
i mean.. for a caster item, sit doesnt have any mana or health regen like just about every other 2.0 epic i've seen.. granted the quick casting temp pet seems pretty cool. but this one seems to have gotten hit pretty hard in the bonus effect department
8 posts
all epics have the same graphic, 2.0 just get an added particle effect to them
3 posts
who can tell me the stats of the pet summoned by this staff?
33 posts
Why wouldn't it have the same graphic? more correctly
Why do you think it would have a different graphic.
Why do you think it would have a different graphic.
Scholar
33 posts
Better item, better stats, better effects, higher difficulty and much larger symbol of achievement? Think it'd deserve a flashier graphic than the 1.5.
3 posts
Why would it have a different look? Other than a particle anyway? If i recall correctly, (almost done with my 1.5 at the moment as an enchanter) Once you complete 1.5, it's NOT a new quest, you are just questing to purify the epic in order to battle the "minions of discord" more effectively....same epic as 1.5, just more power. (lore related anyway)
49 posts
NO PR!!!!
And I hope it does not have the same graphic. That would suck.
Now I have to get mine.
And I hope it does not have the same graphic. That would suck.
Now I have to get mine.
Scholar
33 posts
Grats, very nice. Currently have 1.5 and maybe someday I'll end up getting 2.0. Out of curiousity, does the pet heal for more? Same graphic I'm assuming. Any SSs of the new epics in game - as in in-hand?
Screenshot here :
http://darkwind-guild.com/pics/Alehop/21stdec/Adora.jpg or here
Edited, Wed Dec 29 05:58:13 2004
http://darkwind-guild.com/pics/Alehop/21stdec/Adora.jpg or here
Edited, Wed Dec 29 05:58:13 2004
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